Ride Sat. 03/03/07, 10:00 a.m. Blue Jay Point Park

[Zonda]

Please RSVP so I can plan riding groups.

When: Saturday, March 3, 2007, 10:00 a.m.

Where:

Blue Jay Point County Park (http://www.wakegov.com/locations/bluejaypoint.htm) (Off Six Forks Road outside 540)
3200 Pleasant Union Church Road
Raleigh, NC 27614

Meet at Blue Jay Center Parking Lot (First Small Parking Lot On Left Inside Park) There are restrooms and a water fountain at the park.

Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Blue+Jay+Point+Park,Raleigh,+NC&ll=35.966270,-78.645152&spn=0.983047,1.870834&num=10&start=0&hl=en) and Directions:

The park is off Six Forks Road. Be careful using Internet directions to Pleasant Union Church Road. It will direct you to take the Falls of the Neuse exit.

From I-540, take Exit 11 Six Forks Road, North (outside I-540). Follow straight on Six Forks 2.4 miles then turn LEFT to continue 1.5 miles on Six Forks Road. Turn right on Pleasant Union Church Road. Follow straight toward the park.

When you turn right onto Pleasant Union Church Road:
Follow straight
Go around a traffic circle then bear to the right
Turn LEFT to enter the parking lot at Blue Jay Center.

Distance:
10 miles (Leader, Sandy)
19 miles (Leader, Zonda)
34 miles
*41 miles
*May not follow strict no drop, but the riders waits at turns for others to catch up.

Cue Sheets: (http://www.trianglecycling.com/showthread.php?t=18176)

Pace: 10-15 mph, NO DROP. Groups will be organized at the ride start based on your pace and distance preference. There will be a separate thread posted with a short ride announcement requesting an RSVP to plan riding groups.

Contact Person: Zonda

Comments:

Please keep in mind when selecting a route that this area may be hillier than our Cary rides. Riding groups will stay together until we reach the park entrance then split into subgroups. New riders should read the Slow Spokes information page and bicycling hand signals and group riding page.

[RickF]

I plan to be there. If there are others who want to do the 34 mile route at 13 to 14 mph, I will do that one, If not, I will do the 19 mile route.

[JayC]

Im planning on doing the 40.

[TracyW]

At this time I am planning to be there. The office I work in has fallen prey to the latest virus and I think I may be joining them...............film at 11.

[MikeD]

I'll be there... but I haven't decided on the route yet?

[skiffrun]

Please RSVP so I can plan riding groups.

When: Saturday, March 3, 2007, 10:00 a.m.

Where:

Blue Jay Point County Park (http://www.wakegov.com/locations/bluejaypoint.htm) (Off Six Forks Road outside 540)
3200 Pleasant Union Church Road
Raleigh, NC 27614

Meet at the grassy lot on on the right. Instead of turning left toward the Blue Jay Center, follow straight then turn right into the grassy lot. There are restrooms and a water fountain at the park.



The water fountains have been shut off for the winter and are likely to still be so on mar-3. Water can be obtained from the restrooms.

[KarenG]

40mi

[JayC]

40 mile CRS

[williamtash]

This maybe out there but which cue sheets for blue jay are we using for this sat ride there are several under cue sheet

[RickF]

This maybe out there but which cue sheets for blue jay are we using for this sat ride there are several under cue sheetThere are four cue sheets at the link Zonda posted - one for the 41 mile route, one for the 34 mile route, one for the 19 mile route, and one for the 10 mile route. Use the one that fits the distance you wish to ride:)
Here is the 41 mile route: http://www.trianglecycling.com/showpost.php?p=179849&postcount=2
Here is the 34 mile route: http://www.trianglecycling.com/showpost.php?p=179858&postcount=3
Here is the 19 mile route: http://www.trianglecycling.com/showpost.php?p=181581&postcount=4
Here is the 10 mile route: http://www.trianglecycling.com/showpost.php?p=181582&postcount=5

[kidderd@bellsouth.net]

Zonda, sign me up for the 19 mile route. If I can cycle over to Blue jay before the start, I may drop at my house on the way back. I'll let you know.
donna

[Pugslyyy]

I'll be there. right now the weather forecast is calling for 14mph winds gusting to 28mph! If it is really that windy I may shorten my distance.

[Pugslyyy]

Distance:
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*41 miles
*May not follow strict no drop, but the riders waits at turns for others to catch up.


That's a good point. I think it depends on the riders. Last Saturday we had a slower but capable rider who was okay riding alone. We still waited at the turns and the parking lot to make sure he got in okay, but he set his own pace - especially on the return.

If it was a rider who had not been as comfortable riding alone we might have played it a little differently.

[Michelle W]

I plan to ride -- weather permitting. I'll do the 19 mile ride since this is my first ride in a few months.

[williamtash]

thanks I was just now able to get back out here I saw these was not sure If the ten was going tobe cut from one of the others or not before I printed the ten route. See you all on Sat then

[RickF]

thanks I was just now able to get back out here I saw these was not sure If the ten was going tobe cut from one of the others or not before I printed the ten route. See you all on Sat thenI was not sure which way would be the least confusing, so I went with separate sheets for each distance. I you look at them side-by-side, the 10 and the 19 are identical for the first 5.33 miles, then the 10 makes a U-turn, while the 19 continues for another 4.32 miles before making the U-turn. The 34 and 41 are identical for the first 6.2 miles, then they diverge.

[williamtash]

That worked out great. I saw that they were a cut off from the other one. I
just wanted to make sure we were doing that samething that ways suppose to happen out that way when it rained out. It looks like it is going to be a great day to ride

[Zonda]

I think it depends on the riders. Last Saturday we had a slower but capable rider who was okay riding alone. We still waited at the turns and the parking lot to make sure he got in okay, but he set his own pace - especially on the return.

If it was a rider who had not been as comfortable riding alone we might have played it a little differently.

Jon,

Thanks for mentioning how respectful our fast riders are to slower riders. We have a great group of people looking out for each other.;)

[williamtash]

I have not seen any for the 10 for Sat I am still coming for any slower and shorter crowed that may show up. I will still only do the ten if no one show s up for the ten. I can't do more than that right now or even that very fast and I will not keep you all back that mean you Zonda I know you to well Do your distance I will be fine.

[TracyW]

40 for me

[KarenG]

anyone have plans for after the ride?

[TracyW]

anyone have plans for after the ride?
I'm open. Anything in mind?

[KarenG]

i'm open too. didn't really have anything in mind, maybe a little something to eat...don't really want a big meal, just a snack prolly.

[kidderd@bellsouth.net]

I plan on doing 19. I responded yesterday but didn't see my response posted. Did you get it?

[williamtash]

Hi I see that your responds has made it in nice to meet you I and williamtash other name is sandy. We will meet sat at ride.

[skiffrun]

Gyros are starting @ same time / same place. And will be same as "NW Passage" for first ~ 7.3 miles (working from memory here).

And Road Dogs are scheduled to start @ 9:30.

I'm thinking the parking lot will be crowded.

[Dajuan]

I'm interested in the 34 mile ride. Baby steps to the century ride!

[RickF]

I'm interested in the 34 mile ride. Baby steps to the century ride!
Dajuan, If you keep your speed down to the range you did last week, I will ride with you. I am all about distance and time in the saddle.

[lizdriscoll]

I am up for the 19-mile ride. still getting my riding legs back and looking forward to another great spin around town.

[williamtash]

looks like there is going to be a good size group riding this weekend will be great

[esther-l]

I plan to do the 19 mile route. If the wind ends up being too much for me, I will end up doing the 10.

My average speed on my bike commute is 11 - I am very slow going uphill.

Our male cat is recovering nicely from his dental surgery.
Esther

[williamtash]

Glad your cat is doing good have to take dog in tomorrow to vet he is loseing weight big time all of a sudden. I am going to be there sat if you do the ten I will ride with you back if you do 19 I will see you when you get back from you ride.

[KarenG]

dental surgery???? when we had cats as i was growing up, they never got cleanings or stuff like that....they were just fine...not criticizing, just making a statement. K

[TracyW]

I didn't even know cats were suppose to go to the vet.

[tombiowami]

I am up for the 34 mile ride. This is my first ride with a group, is there anything I have to sign or do we just show up and find the others riding the same distance?


Tommy

[RickF]

It looks like another good day for a ride, although it might be a little windy.

Tonight: A few passing clouds. Low 41F. Winds light and variable.
Tomorrow: Intervals of clouds and sunshine. High 67F. Winds SW at 10 to 20 mph.

[RickF]

I am up for the 34 mile ride. This is my first ride with a group, is there anything I have to sign or do we just show up and find the others riding the same distance?


TommyJust show up. There are at least two others - Dajuan and myself - who plan to do the 34 mile ride. Hopefully there will be a few more, but if not, the three of us will have a great ride.

[Wyld]

Ride? Yep. How far? noidea.

Will depend on weather.

Game for chow after the ride though. Something local to the ride?

[sportingfool]

I had a blast last week...this is such a great group to ride with! I'm going to try to join the 10 mile ride tomorrow. I say "try" because I'm socially unreliable during tax season. I plan to be there by 10am, but if someone has a crisis and needs me, I'll be a no-show.
Andrea

[williamtash]

I hope to see you there if not I will be thinking about you stuck riding the desk

[Zonda]

Change of parking!!!


Since the Road Dogs start at 9:30 and Gyros start at 10:00, all parking at the Blue Jay Center, we will park at the grassy lot so it's easier for new riders to find us. The Blue Jay Center parking lot is too small for our group, much less all 3 groups. Instead of taking the first left, continue straight then turn right into the grassy lot.

Headcount for tomorrow:

10 Miles
Sandy
Andrea

19 Miles
Zonda
Donna
Michelle
Mindy
Liz
Esther (or 10 miles)
Mike D
Jennifer
Gerard

34 Miles
Rick
Dajuan
Tommy

41 Miles
Jay
Karen
Tracy

Unsure which route
Jon
Kelly

Maybe
Guy
Willie
John (Floyd)

[MikeD]

My girlfriend (Jennifer) has expressed interest in riding with the SS tomorrow so based on her skill level I think we are going to try for the 19 mile route. She's a beginner so I am going to stick close to her for this ride. See you in the am!

[Gerard]

Zonda:
I will go on the 19 mile ride.

Gerard

[TracyW]

Game for chow after the ride though. Something local to the ride?Don't really know of anything in the area, but it looks like everyone will be done and gone before we finish.

[Zonda]

Please note change of parking location since it will be too crowded. See post re: head count or calendar entry (http://www.trianglecycling.com/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=40&day=2007-3-3&c=1).

[skiffrun]

10 & 19 milers be alert at intersection of Mt Vernon Church / Creedmoor Rd / Peed Rd - about 4.4 miles into the ride from BJP parking lot.

A pipeline is being installed across / along there. The road surface has not been cut or dug up, but there is quite a bit of mud, gravel & crappy debris littered all over the surface.

With luck, maybe car traffic will sweep some of the debris away over night.

[JayC]

Trying to decide what bike to bring.. other than that, I'm set.

[Bikecruiser]

Zonda, I'm planning on riding. Don't know which one, 19 or 34.

Mike H.

[asedsheflin]

Zonda,

I'm planning to join the group tomorrow am. This will be my first ride with a group. I think you've been talking to my friend Mindy who will be there tomorrow also

[JayC]

Wow.. huge turnout.. the weather looks great also.

[williamtash]

This is for Eveyone that was on the Blue Jay point ride with the slow Spokes

ZONDA had a bikiing accident and was taken to Rex Hospital, Please do not go to the hospital. Michelle went to the hospital and will let us know what is going on.

We are also going to do something for Zonda She is going to need a new HELMET and We thought that will all that she has done that as a group we will pay a new one for her. We will need one person to collect the monies I will be honored to do it. If you would like me to.

Further post about ZONDA will be made

[RickF]

I hope Zonda's injuries are not too serious. Let me know if there is anything I can do. I like the idea of the group buying her a new helmet. Count me in. Is there anything else she needs?

The winds were brutal today. There was one point where a gust from a cross wind nearly knocked me over, and I am still a big guy.

On a happier note, Greg A, Dajuan and I had a good ride. Because of the strong wind, we altered our course and turned around at a convenience store on Cheek road and did an out and back with a little side loop (and one very long hill). Our stats for the day were

Greg A, Dajuan, and Rick F
Distance: 35.25 miles
Speed: 14.0 mph
Time: 2:31

I am going to post a cue sheet for a clockwise loop using the NW Passage route with the side loop on Old Weaver Trail to Olive Grove Church Road to Boyce Road back to Old Weaver Trail. It is a nice scenic loop with little traffic, but one challenging hill. If the wind is blowing like it was today, a clockwise loop would have been better. Going up the hill on Cheek Road into the wind was not much fun.

[williamtash]

Rick all I know so far is that she has a concussion Michelle has not called me yet Sounds like you all had a good ride The 10 miles also had a nice ride. glad I was done when that wind started up if it could blow you over it would have killed me e mail me at this address williamtash@yahoo.com I will send my address for the helmet. I am going to get a gift certificate for spin cycle that way she can get color and size she wants.

[TracyW]

I hope everything turns out OK. And I hope her sister will consider leaving Rex with her so she will have some company while she heals :D

[williamtash]

The only person I know of that was there was MIchelle and she is not Zonda sister. Zonda sister lives out of state. Since the nurse at accident said she has a concusion and there they may keep her over night.

[TracyW]

Zonda's sister is in town

[Michelle W]

For an update on Zonda, please see the thread "Update on Zonda". I will post future info I receive from her sister there. Thanks

[KarenG]

maybe just collect money and let zonda decide where she wants to spend it. not at the spin cycle tho.

[TracyW]

I'm in for a donation.

[kidderd@bellsouth.net]

Count me in for $$ also. Zonda is amazing and I really appreciate all she's done for me (the newbie). Just tell me where to send the money.

[williamtash]

Everyone that wants to donate to Zonda

email williamtash@yahoo.com

From there I will e mail you back with my address ti mail it to

Thanks everone this will go a very long way and cheering her up from this mishap

[Michelle W]

Thanks Sandy. Count me in too. You might want to post what you are doing under the Zonda Update thread in case folks miss it here.

[Pugslyyy]

We all know how Zonda likes to track our stats. Since she wasn't able to collect them at the end of the ride, anyone with ride stats should post to thread.

miles - 41.7
ride time - 2:41
avg speed - 15.5

I finished between Jay and Karen, and I think Karen would have finished before me if she hadn't let Jay get to her! :)

[JayC]

Mileage - 41.14
Ride time - 2:27
Average Speed - 16.7

Damn wind killed me on the way back.

[KarenG]

mileage: 41.2
ride time: 2:42
avg speed: 15.3

i hate the wind. makes you stronger tho..

[TracyW]

mileage: 41.42
ride time: 2:46
avg speed: 14.9
Max heart rate 240

The wind and hills killed me. Legs cramped up on the last hill and I had to get off the bike and stretch.

[KarenG]

mileage: 41.42
ride time: 2:46
avg speed: 14.9
Max heart rate 240

The wind and hills killed me. Legs cramped up on the last hill and I had to get off the bike and stretch.

max hr 240 :eek: holy crap!!! mine was 180.

[TracyW]

max hr 240 :eek: holy crap!!! mine was 180.It was on a downhill. Speed excites me :D

[KarenG]

:D

msg too short. thought that got fixed???????????

[Will]

Ann, Liz, Mindy, Mike, Gerard, and I finished as a group. My computer showed:

Mileage: 15.15
AVG Speed: 11.6
Ride Time: 1:18

[TracyW]

Ann, Liz, Mindy, Mike, Gerard, and I finished as a group. My computer showed:

Mileage: 15.15
AVG Speed: 11.6
Ride Time: 1:18not bad for beginners :) with the group rides.

[MikeD]

John, Esther, Andrea, Sandy, Jennifer and I finished as a group and I showed the following:
Miles: 11.99
Avg: 10.39
Time: 1:10

[RickF]

Max heart rate 240
I have a drug for that. :D

Seriously, though, even for an elite 20 something athlete, a maximum heart rate above 220 is unusual. At my age, a maximum heart rate above 170 is not normal. Given that you are about 15 years younger than me, your maximum heart rate should be about 180. Even if you add 20% because you do an extraordinary amount of aerobic exercise, that puts you up to about 216. Anything above that is just wrong.

[TracyW]

I think it's a glitch in the garmin system myself.

[RickF]

Those power lines sometimes mess up the wireless connection. I had a ride where my maximum speed was 72 :eek:. 32 I would believe, but not 72 :confused:.

[TracyW]

Those power lines sometimes mess up the wireless connection. I had a ride where my maximum speed was 72 :eek:. 32 I would believe, but not 72 :confused:.Don't sell yourself short :)

[TracyW]

I checked back, of all my other rides max heart rate was 163.

[Pugslyyy]

I have a drug for that. :D

Seriously, though, even for an elite 20 something athlete, a maximum heart rate above 220 is unusual. At my age, a maximum heart rate above 170 is not normal. Given that you are about 15 years younger than me, your maximum heart rate should be about 180. Even if you add 20% because you do an extraordinary amount of aerobic exercise, that puts you up to about 216. Anything above that is just wrong.

I try to pay attention to HR while I ride. I really notice a difference depending on how much training I've been doing.

For my last couple of rides that I have records of my max was

187

209 <- wonder if there was a glitch here on the HRM (or in my body), as I don't think I did anything quite that strenuous on that ride.

181

185

187

183

as a comparison...
167 <- last day of cycle NC after a week of cycling 60-70 miles per day. avg speed was 19.6 mph over 3 hours.

[sportingfool]

For most people, maximum heart rate should be 220 minus your age. When training, you should try to stay between 55% and 85% of you maximum heart rate. This is the zone where you will get the most benefit from your workout because your body is able to efficiently use oxygen to convert carbohydrates and stored fat into energy. If you stay above this zone for an extended period of time, your body will produce lactic acid to be used as energy and this can result in more muscle soreness the next day.

Long story short...when I'm in a race or triathlon, I'll allow myself to spend more time close to my maximum heart rate; but when I'm training, I try to stay in the 65-80% range. The more often you exercise within this range, the longer you'll be able to work within this range without getting winded.

[KarenG]

For most people, maximum heart rate should be 220 minus your age. When training, you should try to stay between 55% and 85% of you maximum heart rate. This is the zone where you will get the most benefit from your workout because your body is able to efficiently use oxygen to convert carbohydrates and stored fat into energy. If you stay above this zone for an extended period of time, your body will produce lactic acid to be used as energy and this can result in more muscle soreness the next day.

Long story short...when I'm in a race or triathlon, I'll allow myself to spend more time close to my maximum heart rate; but when I'm training, I try to stay in the 65-80% range. The more often you exercise within this range, the longer you'll be able to work within this range without getting winded.

220-age is very inaccurate. using that, my MHR would be 178 and I've seen a max of 187 on a ride back in september around buckhorn reservoir. my most recent MHR was 185 on a training ride w/Jay Feb 10.

the 220-age is just a mathematical MHR, not a true one. I really don't knwo what mine is, but it's more than 187. i have seen 195 and 198 when I used the cateye double wireless computer, but haven't seen anything quite that high with the Edge.

do a google search and you'll find various ways to calculate a theoretical MHR. but, only a clinical test will tell you what your MHR really is.

i use the karvonen method (http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/hrm1.htm)to calculate my hr%'s, but use a max of 190 not 178.

just my $0.02

K

[RickF]

The latest version is 208 - 0.7 x age, but whichever you use, it is just an estimate. Everyone is different. The only way to know for sure is to get on a treadmill and go through the Bruce protocol..

220 - age tends to overestimate maximum heart rate for young people, and underestimate maximum heart rate for old people.