Ride 04/21/07, 9:00 a.m. Cycling Spoken Here, Cary, RSVP

[Zonda]

RSVP by Friday, 5:00 p.m. with your route choice.

When: Saturday, 04/21/07, 9:00 a.m.

Where:

Cycling Spoken Here (http://cyclingspokenhere.com/)
1377 NW Maynard
Cary, NC 27513

Across from Atlantic Tire and the Shell station. Next to Volvo dealer. Park along corridor by the shop.

Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1377+NW+Maynard,+cary,+nc+27513&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=35.790874,-78.809953&spn=0.015247,0.042915&om=1&iwloc=A)

Distance: 23, 32, 44.4 and 52.6 miles (52.6 mile route has cutoff to make it 44.4 miles)

Cue Sheets (http://www.trianglecycling.com/showthread.php?t=18164) – CSH 1 (Please print).

Pace:
10-12 mph beginners (follows strict no drop policy)
13-15 mph (riders wait at turns for others to catch up)

There are several subgroups for ride paces and distances. Please watch out for others in your subgroup so no one gets dropped. If you can’t keep up, drop back to the next subgroup.

All riding groups will stay together until we cross Hwy 55 (3.5 miles) then you can break away into subgroups. This gives slower riders a chance to experience riding in a large group for a few miles. Faster riders can use this as a slow warm up before breaking away into your subgroups. Slow riders lead the group until the designated break away point.

Contact Person: Zonda. Send me an email or private message (http://www.trianglecycling.com/member.php?u=42) through this site if you have any questions.

Comments:

RSVP to help plan riding groups.
Please arrive in time to prepare your bike to leave promptly at the ride start time listed.
Beginners are welcome to join this ride.
All riders should carry proper equipment in case they have a flat (spare tube, pump or CO2 cartridge). Helmets required.
It is strongly recommended that you carry your driver’s license and health insurance card (or a photo copy) in case of an emergency. You may also want to program your cell phone with an emergency contact number under the name “ICE” In Case of Emergency.
New riders should read Bicycling Hand Signals and Safety Pointers (http://www.trianglecycling.com/showthread.php?t=17385)

[BetsyW]

We plan to be there but I am unsure of the distance. I would prefer to do 32, but I am willing to do whatever another group/rider in the 13-15 mph range is willing to do. Brian is up for whatever the other faster riders are doing.

[Gerard]

I plan to ride 44 mile route.
Gerard

[sportingfool]

We plan to be there but I am unsure of the distance. I would prefer to do 32, but I am willing to do whatever another group/rider in the 13-15 mph range is willing to do. Brian is up for whatever the other faster riders are doing.

Betsy, I'm also planning on riding the 32.
Andrea

[williamtash]

I am riding I am doing the 23 mile 10/12 pace or behind slow rider

[Michelle W]

FYI- Team GSK is hosting a training ride on Saturday..same start time, same start location. Just a heads up to try and avoid confusion on Sat.

[TracyW]

FYI- Team GSK is hosting a training ride on Saturday..same start time, same start location. Just a heads up to try and avoid confusion on Sat.That sounds like a mess about to happen. What about changing start time to avoid?

[rsignore]

Saturday morning looks good for me. I'm looking forward to joining you all. I'll ride 23 in the 10-12 group.

The weather looks like Saturday is finally going to be a nice spring day. I'd be fine with a different start time if it will help with confusion.

-Rob

[Michelle W]

FYI- Team GSK is hosting a training ride on Saturday..same start time, same start location. Just a heads up to try and avoid confusion on Sat.

My mistake. Team GSK is riding from Spin Cycle...shouldn't be an issue on Saturday. Sorry for any confusion.

[TracyW]

aha, causing trouble again.

[Michelle W]

guilty as charged

[williamtash]

well finially did it had to get a new computor for my bike grand child zeroed the wjole thinh out so I used that as excuse to get a new one I will have it working buy sat I hope

[RickF]

I plan to ride on Saturday, but I need to finish by noon. so I think 32 miles will be best for me. Two pharmacists (technically - one pharmacist and one pharmacist-in-training) on the same ride ride :rolleyes:

[BetsyW]

I plan to ride on Saturday, but I need to finish by noon. so I think 32 miles will be best for me. Two pharmacists (technically - one pharmacist and one pharmacist-in-training) on the same ride ride :rolleyes:

That would be "student pharmacist" to be APhA politically correct:D

[CharleyM3]

I plan to ride on Saturday, but I need to finish by noon. so I think 32 miles will be best for me. Two pharmacists (technically - one pharmacist and one pharmacist-in-training) on the same ride ride :rolleyes:

How fast are you going to go Rick. I need an early finish time too.

[RickF]

How fast are you going to go Rick. I need an early finish time too.It depends on who I am riding with and how long we stop. I can go as fast as 17 mph or as slow as 11 mph (as long as we do not stop at the rest stop) Since Betsy and Andrea go about 14 to 15 mph, that is what I plan to do. If we do not stop more than 10 minutes, we should finish around 11:30, which will fit my schedule.

[Zonda]

Here is a tentative head count so far. I'm sure we will have a few more by the deadline.

23 Miles (beginner 10-13 mph)
Zonda (leading)
Sandy (maybe)
Rob
Forsyth

32 Miles (14-16 mph)
Rick
Me
Betsy
Andrea
Elaine
Boyd
Tracy
Gerard

44.4 Miles (open)
Mike D.
Brian J.

52.6 Miles (open)
none

[Elaine]

Please count us in, for the 32 mile ride.

Elaine and Boyd

[Zonda]

Please count us in, for the 32 mile ride.

Elaine and Boyd

I just saw you online and was about to ask where the heck you two have been! Glad you can make it.

[Elaine]

We finally sold the house, now live at High House and Maynard in the big city. We have been sanding and ripping apart the kitchen, and I now I have a job. And it really cuts into the whole biking thing. See ya Saturday.

Elaine

[RickF]

What I would like to do with those on the 32 mile route who are interested is to work on paceline techniques. I would like to have a group that is willing to work together and go as fast as the slowest person in the group can manage. I lead most of the way on Wednesday, and it wore me out. On Saturday, I would like to set up a rotating paceline.

Think about if, and if you are interested, I will be happy to lead us out and go over the rules at the start.

[TracyW]

Put me down for the 44 mile with Gerard and Zonda at 16+

[Zonda]

What I would like to do with those on the 32 mile route who are interested is to work on paceline techniques. Think about if, and if you are interested, I will be happy to lead us out and go over the rules at the start.

I'm interested if I'm not leading a slower group.

[Zonda]

Put me down for the 44 mile with Gerard and Zonda at 16+

Are you bringing a rope to pull me?? :D You know I can't hang at 16 mph.

[Gerard]

I'd be interested in learning about paceline techniques. Please put me down for the 32 mile route.

[KarenG]

Are you bringing a rope to pull me?? :D You know I can't hang at 16 mph.

you can if you ride in a paceline. just do it!

[TracyW]

OK, looks like the 32 mile paceline is the way to go this week. Put me down for that . I ain't dragging Zonda around by myself ;) :D

Are you wanting to do 2 minute pulls? I need to work on dropping back into the line without losing the draft :p

[MikeD]

I'm in for Saturday and the weather looks great! I'm unsure about the distance I want to ride. I'd like to get some distance in before the Raven Rock Ramble but I also like riding with the group. Please put me down for the 44 miles.

[Zonda]

Please put me down for the 44 miles.

Can we interest you in paceline training on the 32 mile route if no one else rides 44?:rolleyes:

[Zonda]

you can if you ride in a paceline. just do it!

O.K., Jay2:D

[BrianJ]

I'll be doing the 44 as well. Bring on Lystra, hopefully down the hill.

[RickF]

OK, looks like the 32 mile paceline is the way to go this week. Put me down for that . I ain't dragging Zonda around by myself ;) :D

Are you wanting to do 2 minute pulls? I need to work on dropping back into the line without losing the draft :pThat is what I had in mind. The real trick is that when the leader swing outs he slows down to drop back instead of the new leader speeding up. The new leader is going to have to increase his effort to maintain the same pace, but he should not increase the pace.

The other trick is to maintain a constant effort, and not a constant speed. The line should slow on climbs and speed up on descents, but the effort should stay constant. Accelerations and decelerations need to be smooth so we do not have the accordion effect.

I am not sure that everyone in the group can manage 16 mph, even in a good paceline. That is why I want to make sure that we maintain the fastest pace that the slowest person can manage. Everyone should strive to stay between 6 inches and five feet from the rear wheel of the person in front of them. If anyone drops back by more than five feet, that person needs to speak up so that the leader gets the message to slow down.

Effective pacelines are all about communication and working together.

The last, and most important, point is that no one ever allows their front wheel to overlap the rear wheel of the rider in front of them. I have seen too many accidents that were caused by people crossing wheels.

[CharleyM3]

I have to cancel. I completely forgot that I have an all day commitment with my son. Sorry gang.

[Pugslyyy]

I have to cancel. I completely forgot that I have an all day commitment with my son. Sorry gang.
Well that's it then, we'll just have to cancel the ride completely. Just hardly worth having if you're not there! :p

.... okay slightly more seriously, have a good time, always good to do the family thing. the real question is why isn't he out cycling with Dad? :D

[williamtash]

zonda not sure If I can make ride sat i have been sick for a couple days so I not sure I can do the 20 mile If I am not there by 8:35 I am not coming. I will not know for sure until I get up or if I have another bad night.

[Michelle W]

I would like to ride the 32 mile with paceline training as well. I'll do my best to hang with the group. If I slow you down too much, I'll drop off and ride my own pace.:D

[RickF]

I would like to ride the 32 mile with paceline training as well. I'll do my best to hang with the group. If I slow you down too much, I'll drop off and ride my own pace.:D
The whole point of the paceline is to learn to work together and get the slowest person home as fast as possible. I do not think you will have any trouble keepinig up. In a paceline you typically go two to three miles per hour faster than you normally would. I have seen you lead at 13+ mph, so a 15 to 16 mph paceline should be easily within your reach.

My goal is to keep the group together. The only exception will be the hill on High House Road from Cary Parkway to the turn into the parking lot at the end of the ride. On that hill, there will be no advantage in drafting, and it probably will be safest for everyone to take that hill at his/her own pace. Until that point, though, I want us all to stay together.

[Pugslyyy]

Pacelines can be fun, and are a good way for different riders to stick together. The trick is to control the amount of time you have at the front of the paceline. If you are not up to pulling, just rotate back after a few seconds - better than killing yourself trying to maintain the group pace and then falling out. Stronger riders will spend more time pulling, and it all works out.

[BetsyW]

I would like to ride the 32 mile with paceline training as well. I'll do my best to hang with the group. If I slow you down too much, I'll drop off and ride my own pace.:D

I'm with you Michelle. The paceline thing makes me a little nervous, I'm paranoid about being that close to the rider in front of me, though I'm willing to try.

[Zonda]

I'm with you Michelle. The paceline thing makes me a little nervous, I'm paranoid about being that close to the rider in front of me, though I'm willing to try.

You don't have to do the paceline training. It was something Rick was offering to anyone interested.

I'm going to remove the reference to paceline training from the head count and we can identify subgroups tomorrow for casual riding vs. paceline training. I'm sure we will have both categories for the 32 mile route.

[Zonda]

zonda not sure If I can make ride sat i have been sick for a couple days so I not sure I can do the 20 mile If I am not there by 8:35 I am not coming. I will not know for sure until I get up or if I have another bad night.

Don't worry about it for one second. I will lead the 23 mile route. If you feel up to riding, you can concentrate on riding leisurely. I hope you feel better soon!! :rolleyes:

[RickF]

I'm with you Michelle. The paceline thing makes me a little nervous, I'm paranoid about being that close to the rider in front of me, though I'm willing to try.I am not forcing anyone to try the paceline, but I do encourage it. I also do not expect first time paceline riders to be able to stay within three feet of the wheel in front of them, but four to five feet will still provide the benefit of drafting without being too intimidating.

The reason I suggested the paceline training in the first place was to have a low pressure situation where people like you, Andrea, and others who do not have a lot of group riding experience, can become comfortable riding in close quarters. That is why I am not going to push the pace. I hope this will be a learning experience and not an all-out team time trial. If your comfort zone is five feet from the rider in front, that is a good start. You will only become comfortable riding closer with practice.

Part of riding closely together also involves getting to know the other riders. There are some riders I can stay six inches from, but they are few in number. I will stay two or three feet away from anyone until I have ridden with an inividual often enough to know what to expect of that rider. Since this will be our first attempt at an organized paceline, we will go easy.

[Michelle W]

Hey Rick. Thanks for offering this option. I'm looking forward to it.

Betsy, If I can do it, so can you.

See everyone tomorrow.

[BetsyW]

I'm always willing to try:)

[williamtash]

Thanks zonda I finially got some food in at 1:30 today I will see how it goes tonight before I decised if I can do the ride. I am affraid I might cramp up from not eatting enough this week. I got a full does on monday and man is it kicking my tail. I worked on the trainer a little today and my legs felt like lead weights. If the food stays in then i ride. I am hoping to get your shirt to you though

[MarkS]

I'm in for 44.

[Zonda]

There have been revisions to the 23 and 32 mile routes that have not yet been updated online. Hold off printing the cue sheets for these routes. If Rick doesn't have time to make the corrections, I'll bring copies.

The 44 and 52 mile routes are o.k:D

[Zonda]

Thanks zonda I finially got some food in at 1:30 today I will see how it goes tonight before I decised if I can do the ride.

Eat, sleep, take it easy!;) Don't worry about the shirt. I can get it any time.

[Forsyth]

Hi, everyone,

I'll be riding tomorrow. I'd like to do the 23 mile route at about 10-12 mph.

Yes, that's right--the girlfriend of the guy leading the Team GSK ride would prefer to ride with Slow Spokes. Kinda makes you wonder...LOL

Forsyth

[williamtash]

Like we say everyone is welcome to ride even team GSK. especially they girl friends ha ha

[Zonda]

Yes, that's right--the girlfriend of the guy leading the Team GSK ride would prefer to ride with Slow Spokes. Kinda makes you wonder...LOL

Looks like you have your priorities right!!:D

[williamtash]

I'm thinking more of the sleep part this being up all day and all night really ain't getting it, It really is cutting into my bike time

[Zonda]

Final head count.

Riders: 15

23 Miles (beginner 10-13 mph)
Zonda (leading)
Sandy (maybe)
Rob
Forsyth

32 Miles (14-16 mph)
Rick
Betsy
Andrea
Elaine
Boyd
Tracy
Gerard
Michelle

44.4 Miles (open)
Mike D.
Brian J.
Mark S.

52.6 Miles (open)
none

[TracyW]

Alright, it's killing me to have a group doing 44 and not being a part of it. I might switch to that group.

[Zonda]

I'm thinking more of the sleep part this being up all day and all night really ain't getting it, It really is cutting into my bike time

Sleep in tomorrow. I'm sure the doctor doesn't want you riding anyway. He problably ordered you to bed rest and you are trying to sneak out and ride.;) Maybe we can catch you next Saturday.

[Zonda]

Alright, it's killing me to have a group doing 44 and not being a part of it. I might switch to that group.

I knew you would jump ship!:D :p

The head count isn't set in stone. It's just to give everyone an idea who is riding at their pace. You can change your mind before the ride. Please ride whatever distance you want. There will be several subgroups of paces. We can figure it out in the morning.

[TracyW]

We can figure it out in the morning.Good! I might not change my mind after all (annoying ain't it ;) :D )

[ctjzebulonroad]

I plan on riding the 32 mile route

[RickF]

The 32 mile cue sheet has been updated. The corected version is here: http://www.trianglecycling.com/showpost.php?p=179829&postcount=3

I am still trying to sort out the 23 mile route. I will post a note when I have it corrected.

[RickF]

The 23 mile route has been updated now. The corrected version is here: http://www.trianglecycling.com/showpost.php?p=179827&postcount=2

I am sorry for the inconvenience.

[CharleyM3]

Well that's it then, we'll just have to cancel the ride completely. Just hardly worth having if you're not there! :p

.... okay slightly more seriously, have a good time, always good to do the family thing. the real question is why isn't he out cycling with Dad? :D

Thanks Jon. I appreciate it.

As for my son, I've wondered that too. I keep inviting, but can't get him interested.

[CharleyM3]

I am not forcing anyone to try the paceline, but I do encourage it. I also do not expect first time paceline riders to be able to stay within three feet of the wheel in front of them, but four to five feet will still provide the benefit of drafting without being too intimidating.

I've nothing against pace lines. I've ridden them from time to time. However, with the configuration of my bike, communication and consistancy is critical to avoiding a crash. It takes me half a second to grab brake since I have to reach for it.

Keeping that in mind, I'm willing to play, and I'll pull the line for a while. See you Wednesday. I test rode the uber bike today. I need to visit the wrench man for a little front deraileur tweeking. It's close, but not perfect.

[RickF]

I've nothing against pace lines. I've ridden them from time to time. However, with the configuration of my bike, communication and consistancy is critical to avoiding a crash. It takes me half a second to grab brake since I have to reach for it.That is one of the reasons why aero bars are only allowed in time trials. It is too difficult to control the bike when you are riding on the aero bars.

[TracyW]

Much of the Spin Cycle route we did last week was the same as today. Is there any way to head out of CSH towards Spin Cycle to avoid that construction area on High House?

[Zonda]

Michelle also suggested changing routes to avoid the construction. We need others to help make revisions to cue sheets. Too much traffic and road construction today. Volunteers?

[Zonda]

Riders 19: Me, Forsyth, Rob, Ashley, Stacey, Rick, Michelle, Betsy, Andrea, Elaine, Boyd, Gerard, Andy S., Selena, Mike D. Tracy, Brian J., Mark S., and Todd

Welcome: Rob, Ashley, Stacey and Selena.

Welcome back: Elaine, Boyd and Andy S.

Forsyth, thanks for leading at the front of the slow group.

Rick, thanks for leading the 14-16 mph group.

Me, Forsyth, Rob, Ashley & Stacey
Distance: 20.3 miles
Pace: 10.8 mph
Time: 1:52

Rick, Michelle, Betsy & Andrea
Distance: 34 miles
Pace: 14.0 mph
Time: 2:26

Boyd, Elaine & Gerard
Distance: 34 miles
Pace: 15.5 mph

Mike D., Tracy, Brian J., Mark S. & Todd
Distance: 45.3 miles
Pace: 17.7 mph
Time: 2:33

Andy & Selena
Didn’t get their stats. They cut off to ride home instead of returning to the shop.

Thanks for coming out!

[sportingfool]

Much of the Spin Cycle route we did last week was the same as today. Is there any way to head out of CSH towards Spin Cycle to avoid that construction area on High House?

I've been on rides leaving out of CSH where we turn left out of CSH and then use James Jackson Avenue to cut-over to Cary Parkway and then wind through Preston to get over to the Green Hope High School area. Less traffic and avoids the construction. Just a thought... I'll be happy to help out on cue sheets if we want to avoid construction next time.
Andrea

[williamtash]

Glad you all had a good ride except for contruction area, Myself I finially got very needed sleep and rest

[MikeD]

Great ride today. Thanks to Brian for the energy bar. I didn't bring enough food today and I could feel the bonk coming. Thanks again... I owe you one.

[Pugslyyy]

It's just tough to ride in and around Cary on Saturdays like that, I find myself going further afield on the weekends in order to find quiet roads.

[TracyW]

I'll be happy to help out on cue sheets if we want to avoid construction next time.
AndreaThanks Andrea, that would be great. That area wouldn't be all that bad if it wasn't for that 2" lip at the gutter.

[Zonda]

Thanks Andrea!!

[Zonda]

Photo (http://www.trianglecycling.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=222) from yesterday.