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Luigi de Guzman
12-31-1969, 08:00 PM
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:08:08 +0930, Michael Warner wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:26:11 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>> PLUS, I would love
>> to see any real advantages to these three items when compared to 68(or
>> 70mm) BB shells, everyday seatposts and 1 1/8 inch headsets(even THAT
>> size requirement is questionable).
>
> The only advantages that you seem to accept as "real" are durability and
> compatibility, though. Others may place more importance on weight,
> stiffness, ease of manufacturing and installation etc.

It's a question of different needs. Weight and stiffness may matter to
some *riders*; that's a matter for a rider to decide for himself. Ease
of manufacturing and installation don't matter to riders/end-users at all
but rather to *manufacturers*.

Take threadless headsets and forks, for instance. The ease of
manufacturing and assembly are a tremendous advantage to bike
manufacturers and assemblers, but not so great for individual users. I
see a lot of threadless-headsetted bikes around here with the steerer
tubes neatly cut in positions that are really too short for their
riders. The riders don't really have a lot of good options to get the
bars up to a more comfortable height.

I don't pay much attention to the trick high-end euro-racer tech
because it has very little to do with my own needs. But what the hell do I
know; I just like riding my bike every so often. I'm not a racer.

>> Sorry Mike, you are not invited to comment.
>
> LOL. This is usenet, not the counter of your shop, where your retro-grouch
> mates in replica woollen Campy jerseys would toss him out if he dared to
> disagree with you :-)

NO NUOVO RECORD FOR YOU!

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Luigi de Guzman
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Michael Warner
01-03-1970, 06:49 AM
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:56:31 GMT, Luigi de Guzman wrote:

> It's a question of different needs. Weight and stiffness may matter to
> some *riders*; that's a matter for a rider to decide for himself. Ease
> of manufacturing and installation don't matter to riders/end-users at all
> but rather to *manufacturers*.

As long as they're trying to recoup R&D costs and take advantage of
novelty, that's true - they're going to charge more for this stuff, not
less. But once all the big mrfs are doing it, competition should force them
to pass on some of these savings to the customer.

At any rate, Mr RG didn't specify that "real advantages" are only those
which accrue to the end user :-)

> NO NUOVO RECORD FOR YOU!

Hah, think you can stop me? I'll just stick CF-look tape on all my Shimano
rubbish!