Re: Spoke quality

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Doug Cimper writes:

>>> ... If you're interested in this area generally, 'The Bicycle
>>> Wheel' is the definitive work.

>> Unless one consumes Kentucky Bourbon or are from Wales, where the
>> best wheels are built with low-tension galvanized spokes bent so
>> they do not touch at the crossings.

> I just received a Worksman bike a couple days ago, and noticed that
> the rear spokes do not touch where they cross even though they
> appear to be fairly-straight. Laced to a Shimano 3-speed hub, there
> is fully 1/16" between them. This seems to be mainly due to the
> spokes being around .1" thick.

To make them tough, they must be interleaved when lacing the spokes.
Coming from the inside and outside of the same flange, they don't
naturally make contact. If a spoke breaks, it is free to tangle with
the bicycle, not being restrained by a neighboring spoke.

Jobst Brandt

[jim beam]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Doug Cimper writes:
>
>>>> ... If you're interested in this area generally, 'The Bicycle
>>>> Wheel' is the definitive work.
>
>>> Unless one consumes Kentucky Bourbon or are from Wales, where the
>>> best wheels are built with low-tension galvanized spokes bent so
>>> they do not touch at the crossings.
>
>> I just received a Worksman bike a couple days ago, and noticed that
>> the rear spokes do not touch where they cross even though they
>> appear to be fairly-straight. Laced to a Shimano 3-speed hub, there
>> is fully 1/16" between them. This seems to be mainly due to the
>> spokes being around .1" thick.
>
> To make them tough, they must be interleaved when lacing the spokes.

what's the mechanism for this? how is it differentiated from tying &
soldering?

> Coming from the inside and outside of the same flange, they don't
> naturally make contact. If a spoke breaks, it is free to tangle with
> the bicycle, not being restrained by a neighboring spoke.
>
> Jobst Brandt

[Jasper Janssen]

On 08 Jul 2007 17:34:04 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

>To make them tough, they must be interleaved when lacing the spokes.
>Coming from the inside and outside of the same flange, they don't
>naturally make contact. If a spoke breaks, it is free to tangle with
>the bicycle, not being restrained by a neighboring spoke.

So is lacing to make them tough, or to keep them from tangling when they
break (a laudable goal in itself)?

Jasper

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Jasper Janssen writes:

>> To make them tough, they must be interleaved when lacing the
>> spokes. Coming from the inside and outside of the same flange,
>> they don't naturally make contact. If a spoke breaks, it is free
>> to tangle with the bicycle, not being restrained by a neighboring
>> spoke.

> So is lacing to make them tough, or to keep them from tangling when
> they break (a laudable goal in itself)?

Sorry about that. The sentence was intended to read:

To make them touch, they must be interleaved when lacing the spokes.
Coming from the inside and outside of the same flange, they don't
naturally make contact. If a spoke breaks, it is free to tangle with
the bicycle, not being restrained by a neighboring spoke.

This was in response to why the spokes didn't touch.

Jobst Brandt