Michael Press
12-31-1969, 08:00 PM
In article
<timmcn-CB4A57.01414808072007@news.iphouse.com>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <rubrum-D5F749.20521007072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <timmcn-B2B45E.20514007072007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <rubrum-4941E7.18082607072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <timmcn-0C9570.18033107072007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > > > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <rubrum-E30547.14331607072007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <timmcn-FE84EB.09401507072007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > > > > > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <17sktxktqvhjz$.1k93wkpp2x69v.dlg@40tude.net>,
> > > > > > > Michael Warner <mvw@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:26:24 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes. Impinged nerve running down into my left
> > > > > > > > > shoulder. It gets aggravated sometimes and wearing a
> > > > > > > > > helmet is one thing that does it pretty regularly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm sorry to hear it, but given the weight of a modern
> > > > > > > > helmet compared to your head, I'm skeptical. My bet is
> > > > > > > > that it's due to a different posture or muscle tension
> > > > > > > > when you wear a helmet - you're probably ducking into the
> > > > > > > > wind, unconsciously trying to minimize its extra wind
> > > > > > > > resistance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hard to say why it causes pain, my current helmet is the
> > > > > > > lightest that I could find and it's a little better but I
> > > > > > > still get more pain than if I don't wear it. And since I
> > > > > > > don't see benefit in wearing a helmet and have definite
> > > > > > > negative consequences, I often don't wear a helmet. I am
> > > > > > > more likely to wear one when riding with friends since they
> > > > > > > tend to be pro-helmet and I'd rather not waste riding time
> > > > > > > on the discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What kind of friend is that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends who have bought the marketing. They are well-meaning
> > > > > and genuinely concerned- most of these have acquired these
> > > > > tendencies through USCF racing and from Bicycling Magazine,
> > > > > among other sources. Why alienate them over something that
> > > > > doesn't inconvenience me all that much?
> > > >
> > > > Then be their friend. Wear a cloth cap and blast them if they try
> > > > to give you ****. Friends do not let friends get away with being
> > > > a jerk.
> > >
> > > They aren't being jerks about it, Michael.
> >
> > If you are doing something because you do not want to deal with what
> > they have to say, something that you would not do otherwise, then
> > what is going on?
>
> How is it that this is so difficult for you to understand? Are you this
> contentious with *your* friends? "What's going on" is that I choose not
> to make an issue out of everything with my friends. There are some
> things I rate as more important than others.
>
> As I have said before, I often wear a helmet when riding. It makes
> important members of my family happier (my mother, my wife, etc.).
> Other than aggravating my neck and making sweat run in my eyes on hot
> days, it doesn't inconvenience me. I have no expectation that it will
> provide me with protection nor that it will cause me harm, but the
> feelings of the people I care about are more important to me.
>
> I am much more contentious in these discussions than I am in person,
> because it's a "tech" newsgroup. In real life, someone as argumentative
> as most of us are here would soon have no friends. I overlook many
> foibles in my friends and vice versa, for the sake of those friendships
> unless the foible is clearly going to cause harm. I think it likely
> that you do the same.
You mentioned this once before.
You mentioned it here again.
This is called `dragging your coat.'
We are all called upon to not to express bad habits.
This is good.
Not wearing a helmet is not a bad habit or anti-social.
--
Michael Press
<timmcn-CB4A57.01414808072007@news.iphouse.com>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <rubrum-D5F749.20521007072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <timmcn-B2B45E.20514007072007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <rubrum-4941E7.18082607072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <timmcn-0C9570.18033107072007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > > > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <rubrum-E30547.14331607072007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <timmcn-FE84EB.09401507072007@news.iphouse.com>,
> > > > > > Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <17sktxktqvhjz$.1k93wkpp2x69v.dlg@40tude.net>,
> > > > > > > Michael Warner <mvw@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:26:24 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes. Impinged nerve running down into my left
> > > > > > > > > shoulder. It gets aggravated sometimes and wearing a
> > > > > > > > > helmet is one thing that does it pretty regularly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm sorry to hear it, but given the weight of a modern
> > > > > > > > helmet compared to your head, I'm skeptical. My bet is
> > > > > > > > that it's due to a different posture or muscle tension
> > > > > > > > when you wear a helmet - you're probably ducking into the
> > > > > > > > wind, unconsciously trying to minimize its extra wind
> > > > > > > > resistance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hard to say why it causes pain, my current helmet is the
> > > > > > > lightest that I could find and it's a little better but I
> > > > > > > still get more pain than if I don't wear it. And since I
> > > > > > > don't see benefit in wearing a helmet and have definite
> > > > > > > negative consequences, I often don't wear a helmet. I am
> > > > > > > more likely to wear one when riding with friends since they
> > > > > > > tend to be pro-helmet and I'd rather not waste riding time
> > > > > > > on the discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What kind of friend is that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends who have bought the marketing. They are well-meaning
> > > > > and genuinely concerned- most of these have acquired these
> > > > > tendencies through USCF racing and from Bicycling Magazine,
> > > > > among other sources. Why alienate them over something that
> > > > > doesn't inconvenience me all that much?
> > > >
> > > > Then be their friend. Wear a cloth cap and blast them if they try
> > > > to give you ****. Friends do not let friends get away with being
> > > > a jerk.
> > >
> > > They aren't being jerks about it, Michael.
> >
> > If you are doing something because you do not want to deal with what
> > they have to say, something that you would not do otherwise, then
> > what is going on?
>
> How is it that this is so difficult for you to understand? Are you this
> contentious with *your* friends? "What's going on" is that I choose not
> to make an issue out of everything with my friends. There are some
> things I rate as more important than others.
>
> As I have said before, I often wear a helmet when riding. It makes
> important members of my family happier (my mother, my wife, etc.).
> Other than aggravating my neck and making sweat run in my eyes on hot
> days, it doesn't inconvenience me. I have no expectation that it will
> provide me with protection nor that it will cause me harm, but the
> feelings of the people I care about are more important to me.
>
> I am much more contentious in these discussions than I am in person,
> because it's a "tech" newsgroup. In real life, someone as argumentative
> as most of us are here would soon have no friends. I overlook many
> foibles in my friends and vice versa, for the sake of those friendships
> unless the foible is clearly going to cause harm. I think it likely
> that you do the same.
You mentioned this once before.
You mentioned it here again.
This is called `dragging your coat.'
We are all called upon to not to express bad habits.
This is good.
Not wearing a helmet is not a bad habit or anti-social.
--
Michael Press