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sl
12-31-1969, 08:00 PM
In article <1183889304.398238.62420@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.co m>,
Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 7, 9:18 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Callistus Valerius wrote:
>> >
>> > So if you fly a lot, you might have trouble finding a flight
>> > that isn't in a dreamliner when they start filling the skies.
>>
>> why am i getting deja vu for all the bleating about cf forks
>> all those years ago? and where are we now? "ubiquity" is the
>> word.
>
>I somehow doubt that fifty years from now, carbon forks and
>Dreamliners will have displayed the longevity or earned the respect
>that 531 forks and DC-3s have over the last two or three
>generations.

Outside of the small bush planes like the Twin Otter (about to go
back in production after 20 years) longevity in big planes is not that
useful. There are boatloads of old big planes sitting in the Arizona
desert.

Too inefficent and noisy to be used in most of the civilized world.

Most likely future advances in avionics, engines and materials will
have these planes grounded well before they actually wear out.

Airlines will upgrade to newer designs based on operating costs as soon
as new designs are available. Possibly only limited to how fast Boeing
and Airbus can deliver.

The bigger impact (to this newsgroup) will be if there is sufficent
Carbon Fiber cloth production to allow us to keep buying carbon fiber
frames. Or will the entire world output get sucked up by Boeing and
Airbus :-)

Ryan Cousineau
01-03-1970, 06:52 AM
In article <6qlki.99983$xq1.69880@pd7urf1no>,
sl@whiskey.enposte.net (sl) wrote:

> In article <1183889304.398238.62420@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.co m>,
> Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 7, 9:18 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> Callistus Valerius wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So if you fly a lot, you might have trouble finding a flight
> >> > that isn't in a dreamliner when they start filling the skies.
> >>
> >> why am i getting deja vu for all the bleating about cf forks
> >> all those years ago? and where are we now? "ubiquity" is the
> >> word.
> >
> >I somehow doubt that fifty years from now, carbon forks and
> >Dreamliners will have displayed the longevity or earned the respect
> >that 531 forks and DC-3s have over the last two or three
> >generations.
>
> Outside of the small bush planes like the Twin Otter (about to go
> back in production after 20 years) longevity in big planes is not that
> useful. There are boatloads of old big planes sitting in the Arizona
> desert.
>
> Too inefficent and noisy to be used in most of the civilized world.
>
> Most likely future advances in avionics, engines and materials will
> have these planes grounded well before they actually wear out.
>
> Airlines will upgrade to newer designs based on operating costs as soon
> as new designs are available. Possibly only limited to how fast Boeing
> and Airbus can deliver.
>
> The bigger impact (to this newsgroup) will be if there is sufficent
> Carbon Fiber cloth production to allow us to keep buying carbon fiber
> frames. Or will the entire world output get sucked up by Boeing and
> Airbus :-)

Because CF isn't an especially raw-materials-limited material, Any
production shortages are likely to be short term (well, short term as
long as you consider the amount of time it takes to build a CF
production facility short :). Supply and demand should take care of the
rest.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
01-03-1970, 06:52 AM
sl who? wrote:
> In article <1183889304.398238.62420@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.co m>,
> Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 7, 9:18 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> Callistus Valerius wrote:
>>>> So if you fly a lot, you might have trouble finding a flight
>>>> that isn't in a dreamliner when they start filling the skies.
>>> why am i getting deja vu for all the bleating about cf forks
>>> all those years ago? and where are we now? "ubiquity" is the
>>> word.
>> I somehow doubt that fifty years from now, carbon forks and
>> Dreamliners will have displayed the longevity or earned the respect
>> that 531 forks and DC-3s have over the last two or three
>> generations.
>
> Outside of the small bush planes like the Twin Otter (about to go
> back in production after 20 years) longevity in big planes is not that
> useful. There are boatloads of old big planes sitting in the Arizona
> desert.
>
> Too inefficent and noisy to be used in most of the civilized world.
>
> Most likely future advances in avionics, engines and materials will
> have these planes grounded well before they actually wear out.
>
> Airlines will upgrade to newer designs based on operating costs as soon
> as new designs are available. Possibly only limited to how fast Boeing
> and Airbus can deliver....

Do you really think there will be transport category aircraft flying in
50 years time, much less a society that can still afford such excess?
The last economically extractable barrel of petroleum will have been
pumped long before then.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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