Re: OT: Constitutional Amendment discovered this week

[Cliff]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:36:08 -0700, Howard Kveck
><YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <kbd183hr2d0vnep844irp7pairsa03cvbb@4ax.com>,
>> Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>> Early in this thread, I had said that it was funny to see the people who had
>>screamed about the rule of law and the constitution when Clinton was around were
>>doing a pretty good job of ignoring it when the Bush admin. was wiping its ass on the
>>law and the Constitution. And like the dutiful wingnut, you turn up and don't just
>>ignore Bush's stuff, you go all out with the standard issue "Clinton did bad!"
>>goodness. I must say that you exceeded all expectations with a 1178 line post about
>>the evils of the "Clinton Machine" (Noted and laughed at. Ha. Ha. Ha.).
>>
>> A big part of that cut-n-paste seemed to find that Clinton was a bad guy for the
>>harm the sanctions on Iraq caused the Iraqi people - yet you don't seem to have any
>>problem with Bush starting a war on Iraq. You like to claim that Vietnam was actually
>>won and the soldiers were all out long before the North took over. Sorry but my dad
>>was flying people out of Vietnam right up to the day the North showed up in Saigon.
>>Believe what you want. As for the media causing the war in Iraq to be in the
>>condition it is, that's laughable as the media isn't killing any US soldiers or
>>blowing up dozens of Iraqi citizens. I'd have to say that with some of your
>>statements, you proved yourself to be the usenet version of that guy you see downtown
>>who stands on a corner yelling at traffic. And people really should know what the
>>outcome of a debate with that guy is going to be.
>>
>> Maybe you should hightail it over to Iraq and show who's in charge.
>>
>>http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm
>
>
>Actually..I tried. Im too old and having been combat wounded in RVN..Im
>considered too disabled.

But you repair heavy machines for a living, right?
And what about those bears you killed with a knife
(or was that bare-handed)?
And all the oilfield work you claimed?
And how did you become a police officer?
Or a biker?

>Now what was your MOS again, fuctard?

How about plumbing or sanitation work in Iraq?
Or you could get a gig with Blackwater, right?

Then actually pay for medical help?

>Its been a pleasure proving you and your ilk to be ignorant buffoons
>with the same grasp of history as my dog.

"Most folks forget that Teheran was once
considered the Paris of the Middle East." - Gunner

>However..he at the least, is good for something.

He lost Lybia & Iran too IIRC.

>Gunner
--
Cliff

[RicodJour]

On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
annoyed.

Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?

R

[Notan]

RicodJour wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
> immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
> annoyed.
>
> Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?

A chat room? Kinda like the one at alt.architecture? <g>

--
Notan

[phil scott]

On Jun 28, 3:58 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
> immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
> annoyed.
>
> Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?
>
> R

Hi Rico. Ive added 3D CAD skills to my gig, thats woiking.


Phil Scott

[Gunner]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:58:57 -0700, RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
>immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
>annoyed.
>
>Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?
>
>R


Cliff? Ive had him kill filed for over 4 yrs. He posts from the rec
room of a state institution for the insane. Dont bother reading
anything he says, it only encourages him.

Gunner

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[Cliff]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:58:57 -0700, RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
>immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
>annoyed.
>
>Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?

You snipped too much .. I like to watch Gunner twisting in the wind
while pis***g into it <G>.
--
Cliff

[RicodJour]

On Jun 28, 9:46 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 3:58 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
> > immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
> > annoyed.
>
> > Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?
>
>
> Hi Rico. Ive added 3D CAD skills to my gig, thats woiking.
>
> Phil Scott

Phil, you old dog! You dropped out of sight for a long while. How
the hell are you? You still flat tracking?

R

[Cliff]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:46:49 -0000, phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote:

>Ive added 3D CAD skills to my gig, thats woiking.

Which 3D CAD?
--
Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:12:07 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:58:57 -0700, RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Jun 28, 2:54 pm, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:24:10 GMT, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
>>immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
>>annoyed.
>>
>>Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?
>>
>>R
>
>
>Cliff? Ive had him kill filed for over 4 yrs. He posts from the rec
>room of a state institution for the insane. Dont bother reading
>anything he says, it only encourages him.

How would you know?

>Gunner
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"WMDs"? Wars?


There don't seem to be any at all in Iraq .... just
as many have known all along .... Hussain Kamal had been
in charge of all such programs & long ago defected (in 1995)
... AFTER he had (on Saddam's orders) had them all (what
few there may once have been) destroyed.

"The interview was conducted in Amman on 22 August 1995, 15 days after Kamel
left Iraq."
[
In the transcript of the interview, Kamel states categorically:

"I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons - biological,
chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed"
]

Consider:
So when the neocons claimed that they knew & had irrefutable proof
and refused to tell any that asked?
When they set up their plans to tell lies?

Can you use this excuse to break into your neighbor's house,
steal his things, murder him & his family, burn the house down,
call all your other neighbors that would not help you "terrorists",
and get off with huge prizes from the police?

"Officer, someday he might have had a BB gun in his basement. If
he ever got one he might have hurt someone's cat or invaded
Antartica with it ."

It's murder, pure & simple. Of about ~ 650,000 ++ ... plus
~ 2,000,000 now homeless IN Iraq and another ~ 2,000,000
(those that could afford it) refugees in other nations. Of those
~ 4,000,000 the US has taken in about 20 over all the years.

"If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and
does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital
offense charged, be put to death." - Third Law, The Code of Hammurabi
written in about 1786 BC. In what is now (or was) Iraq.

The Neocon Menace is worse by far than the Communist Menace
ever was.
http://www.lincoln-ma.com/news_archive/documentpages/peacebuilders.htm

Famous Republican saying: "Everything is fine in politics as long as you
don't get caught in bed with a live man, or a dead woman.”

"I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up
with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I'm entitled
to THE math." - Karl Rove

"Cheney shoots somebody in the face and it's no big deal. But Clinton? He gets
impeached for it."

[
Quotes: Family Guy: Peter
[Riding a circus elephant]
Peter: Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a
fat white guy who is threatened by change.
]

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results." - Albert Einstein

Considering the events of recent years, the US has a long way
to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the world.

"Moogs, would you buy it for a quarter?"
--
Cliff

[RicodJour]

On Jun 29, 12:12 am, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:58:57 -0700, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
> >immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
> >annoyed.
>
> >Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?
>
>
> Cliff? Ive had him kill filed for over 4 yrs. He posts from the rec
> room of a state institution for the insane. Don't bother reading
> anything he says, it only encourages him.

Oh right, I forgot. Yours is the One And Only Valid Obsession.

OAOVO It has a nice ring to it when you say the letters out loud.
Kind of like the witch's guards' chant in The Wizard of Oz - which,
BTW, has about as much grounding in reality as your views.

R

[Gunner]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:18:45 -0700, RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 29, 12:12 am, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:58:57 -0700, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Sheesh. I guess that answers the question of what happens when an
>> >immovable object meets an irresistible force - everyone else gets
>> >annoyed.
>>
>> >Why don't you two guys get a chat room and go private?
>>
>>
>> Cliff? Ive had him kill filed for over 4 yrs. He posts from the rec
>> room of a state institution for the insane. Don't bother reading
>> anything he says, it only encourages him.
>
>Oh right, I forgot. Yours is the One And Only Valid Obsession.

Which OAOVB are you referring to? Spanking retarded puppies such as
yourself when they make a mess on the floor? Hardly an obsession, but
more of a community service.;
>
>OAOVO It has a nice ring to it when you say the letters out loud.
>Kind of like the witch's guards' chant in The Wizard of Oz - which,
>BTW, has about as much grounding in reality as your views.
>
>R

Odd...Ive been the one providing cites..and you of course, nothing but a
bit of foul wind.

You remind me of a retarded child arguing with an adult, about why you
will never be an astronaut, and after running out of argument
points..has been reduced to threatening to hold your breath until you
turn blue and then stamping your feet in pique.

Gunner


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[Cliff]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:31:37 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>Odd...Ive been the one providing cites..and you of course, nothing but a
>bit of foul wind.

Oh, goodie ... "cites" from usually stolen (lying) winger web blogs from
gunner !!!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushresume.htm
[
George W. Bush's Resume


George W. Bush (Dubya)
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Past Work Experience

Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt
shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using
taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments in Previous Positions

Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most
polluted state in the Union.

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut
taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed
money.

Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the
help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any
president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the
worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in
U.S. history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in
U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president
since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene
when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the
national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the
streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest
against any person in the history of mankind.
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the
'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named
after her).
First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any
country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation
of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the
United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than
any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from
the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from
the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional
oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no
longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors
(during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron
Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied
saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year
made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest
diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine
relations in at least 30 years.
Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%)
view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S.
law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government
contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our
country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads
and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any
public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the
United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president
in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly
the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two
years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has
been erased and is not available)
AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my
father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are
sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public
energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (they can
be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
Source: Kelley Kramer
]

[RicodJour]

On Jun 29, 12:31 pm, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:18:45 -0700, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Oh right, I forgot. Yours is the One And Only Valid Obsession.
>
> Which OAOVB are you referring to? Spanking retarded puppies such as
> yourself when they make a mess on the floor? Hardly an obsession, but
> more of a community service.;

You hit dogs, Rambo? Oh, right - the wife and kids left.

I could teach _your_ dog tricks it would never do for you. Even your
dog thinks you're an *

Don't believe me? Let's do a little test - sit next to your dog and
raise your hand suddenly. See how he flinches? That means your dog
is afraid of you and you're an *

> >OAOVO It has a nice ring to it when you say the letters out loud.
> >Kind of like the witch's guards' chant in The Wizard of Oz - which,
> >BTW, has about as much grounding in reality as your views.
>
>
> Odd...Ive been the one providing cites..and you of course, nothing but a
> bit of foul wind.

Maybe it was the burrito. My intestinal gas will go away - you'll
always be an *

It appears I haven't made myself clear, and for that I apologize. You
could tell me the sky is blue and I'd be thinking, "This guy is a real
*" Unfortunately you're saying the sky is more lavender with blood
overtones...yet, I'm still thinking you're a real *

The * was lifted directly from Vonnegut.

R