Julich's third place

[Carl Sundquist]

Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
"retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's podium
the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third place, or
lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this year's doping
related non-finishers?

Discuss.

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 11:24 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
> "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's podium
> the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third place, or
> lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this year's doping
> related non-finishers?
>
> Discuss.

Well, Soler seems to be a better climber than Rinero.

-ilan

[critposer@yahoo.com]

On Jul 29, 8:24 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
> "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's podium
> the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third place, or
> lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this year's doping
> related non-finishers?
>
> Discuss.

Julich's 3rd was/is a great result, and he's a great rider. Any twit
here who says otherwise needs to cite their own results to compare to
his.

[Sandy]

Dans le message de news:Ui2ri.6108$Uz4.3697@newsfe19.lga,
Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
> "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's
> podium the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third
> place, or lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this
> year's doping related non-finishers?
>
> Discuss.

The negativity here is truly reminiscent of high-school, where the fat kids
who were math whizes enjoyed dumping on all athletes. They really got a
kick when a favorite didn't win something, although the most they would ever
contribute to any sport would be the payments for tickets they bought from
scalpers.

Great riders, juiced or not, have earned their places, and I'm certain they
don't worry about their reception on RBR.
--
Sandy
--
S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
- Geluck, P.

[Sandy]

Dans le message de
news:1185723357.781016.144630@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com,
ilanpsi@gmail.com <ilanpsi@gmail.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Jul 29, 11:24 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
>> "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's
>> podium the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third
>> place, or lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this
>> year's doping related non-finishers?
>>
>> Discuss.
>
> Well, Soler seems to be a better climber than Rinero.
>
> -ilan

Hats off to you for not invoking a Voeckler reference.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

[htis@idcomm.com]

On Jul 29, 10:15 am, critpo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Julich's 3rd was/is a great result, and he's a great rider. Any twit
> here who says otherwise needs to cite their own results to compare to
> his.


In both that tour and the previous one Julich had been one of the
strongest riders in the Peleton in the third week. I remember him
picking off three or four places a day for days in succession. He had
to deliver at about the same level that Contador did yesterday in the
final time trial to seal the podium position too.

[Kyle Legate]

critposer@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jul 29, 8:24 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
>> "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's podium
>> the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third place, or
>> lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this year's doping
>> related non-finishers?
>>
>> Discuss.
>
> Julich's 3rd was/is a great result, and he's a great rider. Any twit
> here who says otherwise needs to cite their own results to compare to
> his.
>
I don't need to cite my results. I only need to point you to Julich's
palmares to demonstrate that his podium place in the Tour was a fluke.
One doesn't have to be of equal or greater accomplishment to comment on
others' performances.

[Ken Prager]

In article <46accb82$0$32267$426a34cc@news.free.fr>,
"Sandy" <leurre@frree.fr> wrote:

> Dans le message de news:Ui2ri.6108$Uz4.3697@newsfe19.lga,
> Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> > Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
> > "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's
> > podium the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third
> > place, or lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this
> > year's doping related non-finishers?
> >
> > Discuss.
>
> The negativity here is truly reminiscent of high-school, where the fat kids
> who were math whizes enjoyed dumping on all athletes.

Hmm, that's not how things worked at my HS. Maybe it's a French thing?

KP

[datakoll]

juiced or not,

http://www.fruit-eze.com/education/laxative/pharmacist_remarks.html

[datakoll]

On Jul 29, 1:26 pm, Ken Prager <pra...@ieee.org> wrote:
> In article <46accb82$0$32267$426a3...@news.free.fr>,
>
> "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
> > Dans le message denews:Ui2ri.6108$Uz4.3697@newsfe19.lga,
> > Carl Sundquist <carl...@cox.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> > > Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
> > > "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's
> > > podium the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third
> > > place, or lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this
> > > year's doping related non-finishers?
>
> > > Discuss.
>
> > The negativity here is truly reminiscent of high-school, where the fat kids
> > who were math whizes enjoyed dumping on all athletes.
>
> Hmm, that's not how things worked at my HS. Maybe it's a French thing?
>
> KP

third's worth gold, implies hard work perseverance talent intelligence
first adds luck
second's only failure

[Howard Kveck]

In article <5h45piF3irrraU1@mid.individual.net>, Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> critposer@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 8:24 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Given the non-starts, doping positives, team dismissals, and team
> >> "retirements" related to the '07 Tour, will rbr get give this year's podium
> >> the same "recognition" as they generally do for Bobby's third place, or
> >> lighten up on Julich's '98 result in comparison to this year's doping
> >> related non-finishers?
> >>
> >> Discuss.
> >
> > Julich's 3rd was/is a great result, and he's a great rider. Any twit
> > here who says otherwise needs to cite their own results to compare to
> > his.
> >
> I don't need to cite my results. I only need to point you to Julich's
> palmares to demonstrate that his podium place in the Tour was a fluke.

I don't agree with your assesment that his third was a fluke, Kyle. We can look at
his palmares - '98 was a fairly good year for him (or anyone with those results). His
day to day performances in the '98 TdF were consistently strong and got better as the
race got to the end. I will certainly admit that his results were pretty sparse
between '99 and '03. Of course, two of those years were on T-Mobile, the Black Hole
of cycling. Plenty of people went to TM and disappeared - he was one of 'em. But look
at his results for '04 and '05. Pretty damn good, no two ways about it.

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/usa.Julich.htm

> One doesn't have to be of equal or greater accomplishment to comment on
> others' performances.

Yeah, that's true. To suggest otherwise is kind of dumb, actually.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

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