what I hate about new bikes.

[Crescentius Vespasianus]

Since there is so many debates about
the material that bike frames are made
of, I would like to see the return of a
bike frame made of a single material.
What I hate is this joining of carbon
seat stays to either a steel, AL, Ti
frame. Why not have an all steel, or
all al, or all Ti frame. I'm guessing
the carbon seat stays are a marketing
gimmick. And why not have a cro-moly
option for the fork too. Then I'd think
people would also have a clearer idea on
the plus and minus of each material. I
have one bike with a carbon seat stay
joined to an AL frame, and I look at
every day wondering if the glue is good,
and if that will separate one of these
days. At least with a uniform frame,
you can inspect for cracks, or if you
have a creak on a CF frame, you know
somethings up. Another bad trend is
this artistic shaping of the CF, in the
seat stays, top tube and fork, where it
gets increasingly difficult to attach
the computer gizmo on the fork, and rear
lights to the seat stays. I'm a night
rider, and I have at least 2 lights on
the seat stays.

[russellseaton1@yahoo.com]

On Aug 15, 3:56 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Since there is so many debates about
> the material that bike frames are made
> of, I would like to see the return of a
> bike frame made of a single material.
> What I hate is this joining of carbon
> seat stays to either a steel, AL, Ti
> frame. Why not have an all steel, or
> all al, or all Ti frame. I'm guessing
> the carbon seat stays are a marketing
> gimmick. And why not have a cro-moly
> option for the fork too. Then I'd think
> people would also have a clearer idea on
> the plus and minus of each material. I
> have one bike with a carbon seat stay
> joined to an AL frame, and I look at
> every day wondering if the glue is good,
> and if that will separate one of these
> days. At least with a uniform frame,
> you can inspect for cracks, or if you
> have a creak on a CF frame, you know
> somethings up. Another bad trend is
> this artistic shaping of the CF, in the
> seat stays, top tube and fork, where it
> gets increasingly difficult to attach
> the computer gizmo on the fork, and rear
> lights to the seat stays. I'm a night
> rider, and I have at least 2 lights on
> the seat stays.

In the past couple years there has been a shift away from the carbon
seatstays on metal bikes trend. You still find this on a few bikes of
course and on the SE Asian no name brand bikes. But the fad has
passed. The NEW FAD is all carbon bikes. Also made in SE Asia at the
same no name brand factory that makes the dying fad frames.

What is this talk about people having a clearer idea of the pluses and
minuses of a frame material if only one is used? Sounds like you are
a fad believer in thinking the frame material has some magical quality
to the bike.

As for all one material bikes. Cannondale makes all aluminum frames.
Litespeed makes all titnium frames. Waterford makes all steel
frames. And with Waterford you can get an all steel fork too. Lots
of choices in the world if you look.

I agree about the difficulty of attaching red blinkies to wishbone
seatstays and such. And attaching computer mounts to aero bladed
forks. Zip ties can help.

[jim beam]

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Since there is so many debates about the material that bike frames
> are made of, I would like to see the return of a bike frame made of a
> single material. What I hate is this joining of carbon seat stays to
> either a steel, AL, Ti frame. Why not have an all steel, or all al, or
> all Ti frame. I'm guessing the carbon seat stays are a marketing
> gimmick. And why not have a cro-moly option for the fork too. Then I'd
> think people would also have a clearer idea on the plus and minus of
> each material. I have one bike with a carbon seat stay joined to an AL
> frame, and I look at every day wondering if the glue is good, and if
> that will separate one of these days. At least with a uniform frame,
> you can inspect for cracks, or if you have a creak on a CF frame, you
> know somethings up. Another bad trend is this artistic shaping of the
> CF, in the seat stays, top tube and fork, where it gets increasingly
> difficult to attach the computer gizmo on the fork, and rear lights to
> the seat stays. I'm a night rider, and I have at least 2 lights on the
> seat stays.

cT = 1.0
cB = 1.0

[Chris Nelson]

On Aug 15, 4:56 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Since there is so many debates about
> the material that bike frames are made
> of, I would like to see the return of a
> bike frame made of a single material.
> What I hate is this joining of carbon
> seat stays to either a steel, AL, Ti
> frame. Why not have an all steel, or
> all al, or all Ti frame. I'm guessing
> the carbon seat stays are a marketing
> gimmick. And why not have a cro-moly
> option for the fork too. Then I'd think
> people would also have a clearer idea on
> the plus and minus of each material. I
> have one bike with a carbon seat stay
> joined to an AL frame, and I look at
> every day wondering if the glue is good,
> and if that will separate one of these
> days. At least with a uniform frame,
> you can inspect for cracks, or if you
> have a creak on a CF frame, you know
> somethings up. Another bad trend is
> this artistic shaping of the CF, in the
> seat stays, top tube and fork, where it
> gets increasingly difficult to attach
> the computer gizmo on the fork, and rear
> lights to the seat stays. I'm a night
> rider, and I have at least 2 lights on
> the seat stays.

Don't buy the ones that suck, and they will stop making them.

ChrisS

[!Jones]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:56:32 -0700, in rec.bicycles.tech Crescentius
Vespasianus <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Since there is so many debates about
>the material that bike frames are made
>of, I would like to see the return of a
>bike frame made of a single material.

I would tend to suggest that the market is driven more by fad than
anything else. Of course, *my* hobby is antique bikes, so one might
expect me to say that. And, by all means, there have been significant
advances. Quite a few of the marketing decisions, though, are *giant
leaps sideways*, IMO.

Another issue with CF is that it generates significant toxic air
pollution in the lay-up. But, then... so does paint, particularly
epoxy paint.

Jones

[DougC]

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Since there is so many debates about the material that bike frames
> are made of, I would like to see the return of a bike frame made of a
> single material. What I hate is this joining of carbon seat stays to
> either a steel, AL, Ti frame.....
>

Carbon seatstays are an expensive joke foisted upon the wallets of those
who aren't comfortable riding a rigid road frame, but are still too
hard-headed to admit that what they want is mechanical suspension.
~

[John Dacey]

Fiat lux!

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:56:32 -0700, Crescentius Vespasianus
<jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Another bad trend is
>this artistic shaping of the CF, in the
>seat stays, top tube and fork, where it
>gets increasingly difficult to attach
>the computer gizmo on the fork, and rear
>lights to the seat stays. I'm a night
>rider, and I have at least 2 lights on
>the seat stays.

Hanging lights is easy for neophobes: just drip some melted wax at the
exact spot you want to mount the light, and stick your candle to it.
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Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
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[catzz66]

somebody wrote:
> Another bad trend is this artistic
>> shaping of the CF, in the seat stays, top tube and fork, where it gets
>> increasingly difficult to attach the computer gizmo on the fork, and
>> rear lights to the seat stays. I'm a night rider, and I have at least
>> 2 lights on the seat stays.
>

Dude, nobody said this was always going to be easy. You have to be
ingenious.

[Smokey]

On Aug 15, 11:09 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
<russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 3:56 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Since there is so many debates about
> > the material that bike frames are made
> > of, I would like to see the return of a
> > bike frame made of a single material.
> > What I hate is this joining of carbon
> > seat stays to either a steel, AL, Ti
> > frame. Why not have an all steel, or
> > all al, or all Ti frame. I'm guessing
> > the carbon seat stays are a marketing
> > gimmick. And why not have a cro-moly
> > option for the fork too. Then I'd think
> > people would also have a clearer idea on
> > the plus and minus of each material. I
> > have one bike with a carbon seat stay
> > joined to an AL frame, and I look at
> > every day wondering if the glue is good,
> > and if that will separate one of these
> > days. At least with a uniform frame,
> > you can inspect for cracks, or if you
> > have a creak on a CF frame, you know
> > somethings up. Another bad trend is
> > this artistic shaping of the CF, in the
> > seat stays, top tube and fork, where it
> > gets increasingly difficult to attach
> > the computer gizmo on the fork, and rear
> > lights to the seat stays. I'm a night
> > rider, and I have at least 2 lights on
> > the seat stays.
>
> In the past couple years there has been a shift away from the carbon
> seatstays on metal bikes trend. You still find this on a few bikes of
> course and on the SE Asian no name brand bikes. But the fad has
> passed. The NEW FAD is all carbon bikes. Also made in SE Asia at the
> same no name brand factory that makes the dying fad frames.
>
> What is this talk about people having a clearer idea of the pluses and
> minuses of a frame material if only one is used? Sounds like you are
> a fad believer in thinking the frame material has some magical quality
> to the bike.
>
> As for all one material bikes. Cannondale makes all aluminum frames.
> Litespeed makes all titnium frames. Waterford makes all steel
> frames. And with Waterford you can get an all steel fork too. Lots
> of choices in the world if you look.
>
> I agree about the difficulty of attaching red blinkies to wishbone
> seatstays and such. And attaching computer mounts to aero bladed
> forks. Zip ties can help.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Waterford makes all steel
frames. And with Waterford you can get an all steel fork too."

I really like the looks of the Waterford bikes. One of these days I'd
like to get a custom frame and a Waterford Adventure might be my
choice. Plenty of clearance for wider tires and attachments for
fenders and racks. It should make a good all around bike for the type
of riding I do (pavement, gravel roads and some dirt paths, rail
trails). They have some nice paint choices, too.

Smokey

[Carl Sundquist]

"John Dacey" <jdacey@businesscycles.com> wrote in message
news:8717c3tah8ovmb74tee2e2qpjkh94rnv3m@4ax.com...
>
> ... and stick your candle to it.

Hey John,

Is that a double entendre?

Carl

[John Dacey]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:19:18 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"John Dacey" <jdacey@businesscycles.com> wrote in message
>news:8717c3tah8ovmb74tee2e2qpjkh94rnv3m@4ax.com...
>>
>> ... and stick your candle to it.
>
>Hey John,
>
>Is that a double entendre?
>
>Carl

Hi Carl -

You'll be lucky to glean any meaning whatsoever from some of my posts,
let alone multiples. I seem to have lapsed all too easily into the
words and images of porno (dripping melted wax, totemic symbols,
mounting stuff), although I'm quite sure I don't know why such a thing
could happen.

In the instant thread however, I assure you that there was only one
entendre intendred.

-------------------------------
John Dacey
Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
Comprehensive catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996
http://www.businesscycles.com
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