China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames

[almost_fast@yahoo.com]

http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-frames.html

China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.

Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
them.

This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
these new requirements.

Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
requirements on products for the export market.


Published @ 27-09-2007

[bfd]

<almost_fast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190907459.705594.184810@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-frames.html
>
> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>
> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
> them.
>
> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
> these new requirements.
>
> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
> requirements on products for the export market.
>
>
> Published @ 27-09-2007
>
Can someone please explain who or what are "well informed sources?"

[damyth]

On Sep 27, 8:37 am, "almost_f...@yahoo.com" <almost_f...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-fra...
>
> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>
> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
> them.
>
> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
> these new requirements.
>
> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
> requirements on products for the export market.
>
> Published @ 27-09-2007

Echoes of the "CF bike shatters" thread?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/da33f73ba2b082cc
http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z284/Steebler/

[jim beam]

almost_fast@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-frames.html
>
> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>
> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
> them.
>
> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
> these new requirements.
>
> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
> requirements on products for the export market.
>
>
> Published @ 27-09-2007
>


about time. the crappy kestrel forks i had were made in china, and they
both failed the manual squeeze test - not very rigorous. poor
production quality gets a good material a bad name. /any/ material.

[catzz66]

almost_fast@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-frames.html
>
> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>
> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
> them.
>
> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
> these new requirements.
>
> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
> requirements on products for the export market.
>
>
> Published @ 27-09-2007
>

Maybe I am too skeptical, but China's sensitivity to this type of
problem will probably go away after the Olympics.

[still me]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:59:31 -0700, "bfd" <bfd853@comcast.net> wrote:

>> Published @ 27-09-2007
>>
>Can someone please explain who or what are "well informed sources?"

I can't tell you what that specifically means for China. Someone
directly involved in politco-business issues there likely can.
Traditionally the Press has pet names for various sources, but folks
involved know what each name decodes to. They are used when the
sources can't risk attribution. The likely sources are people in
government there (as is true here).

While it does reduce the credibility slightly for the story, in most
cases the sources are legit and typically accurate.

[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:59:31 -0700, "bfd" <bfd853@comcast.net> wrote:

>
><almost_fast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1190907459.705594.184810@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-frames.html
>>
>> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
>> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
>> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
>> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
>> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>>
>> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
>> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
>> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
>> them.
>>
>> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
>> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
>> these new requirements.
>>
>> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
>> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
>> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
>> requirements on products for the export market.
>>
>>
>> Published @ 27-09-2007
>>
>Can someone please explain who or what are "well informed sources?"

Usually that means "other reporters talking at a bar."

The phrase "some say" indicates that the reporter has interviewed his thumb.

[Paul Myron Hobson]

damyth wrote:
> On Sep 27, 8:37 am, "almost_f...@yahoo.com" <almost_f...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-fra...
>>
>> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
>> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
>> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
>> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
>> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>>
>> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
>> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
>> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
>> them.
>>
>> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
>> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
>> these new requirements.
>>
>> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
>> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
>> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
>> requirements on products for the export market.
>>
>> Published @ 27-09-2007
>
> Echoes of the "CF bike shatters" thread?
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/da33f73ba2b082cc
> http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z284/Steebler/
>

This one didn't look like much fun either:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1200/1272241614_d12981c04c_o.jpg

\\paul

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Sep 27, 9:57 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> almost_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-fra...
>
> > China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
> > BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
> > with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
> > implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
> > at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>
> > Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
> > now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
> > tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
> > them.
>
> > This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
> > broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
> > these new requirements.
>
> > Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
> > problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
> > damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
> > requirements on products for the export market.
>
> > Published @ 27-09-2007
>
> about time. the crappy kestrel forks i had were made in china, and they
> both failed the manual squeeze test - not very rigorous. poor
> production quality gets a good material a bad name. /any/ material.

Of course, Kestrel is completely blameless here, right? It's all the
fault of the #*&%# Chinese, part of the Red Plot to kill Americans,
their children, and their pets.

[jim beam]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Sep 27, 9:57 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> almost_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> http://www.bike-eu.com/news/2513/china-restricts-export-of-carbon-fra...
>>> China Restricts Export of Carbon Frames
>>> BEIJING, China - The bicycle industry is facing more and more problems
>>> with broken carbon frames. The option of a possible export ban
>>> implemented by the Chinese government was already frequently discussed
>>> at the IFMA fair in Cologne two weeks ago.
>>> Yesterday, well informed sources declared that the Chinese government
>>> now insists that carbon frame manufacturers must have their products
>>> tested by government approved testing facilities before they can ship
>>> them.
>>> This is direct result of several law suits and problems caused by
>>> broken carbon frames. Not all manufacturers should have to comply with
>>> these new requirements.
>>> Apparently the Chinese government does not want to face the same
>>> problems as they did in the Mattel case this summer causing a lot of
>>> damage on China's image. This time they react with additional
>>> requirements on products for the export market.
>>> Published @ 27-09-2007
>> about time. the crappy kestrel forks i had were made in china, and they
>> both failed the manual squeeze test - not very rigorous. poor
>> production quality gets a good material a bad name. /any/ material.
>
> Of course, Kestrel is completely blameless here, right? It's all the
> fault of the #*&%# Chinese, part of the Red Plot to kill Americans,
> their children, and their pets.
>

kestrel are not blameless, as in, they should be on top of q.c. otoh,
the american made version of the same fork was excellent and passed the
squeeze test no problem - i tried it on one a friend has. if domestic
manufacture is good and chinese manufacture of an otherwise identical
component is bad, then what? conclude that it rains on thursdays or
that chinese manufacturers don't have the same standards?

kestrel's fault is not being methodical in their testing. a dodgy
manufacturer will certify and document all manufacturing criteria as
having been followed to the letter. and pack a shipping crate so that
the ones that /do/ comply are the last in, and thus first to be picked
for testing, if even done. all the others are the "cheapened" versions
and will go untested if kestrel don't do their job properly. what
kestrel /should/ do is rigorously pick a random sample from the entire
shipment. sufficient sample size and sufficient randomness in selection
will ensure a representative picture of quality is formed. and if any
fail, they should increase testing and reject shipment as necessary!