Da carbon crank-YOWSER

[Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com]

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html

$1300!!!

Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
shimano-

[landotter]

On Sep 28, 7:53 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> $1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-

I'm more pleased by both the modern green and the old fashioned
utility bikes intended to mobilize people in the third world. When you
see such a simple machine and understand how liberating it will be for
the recipient and that you can get ten of them for the price of those
ridiculous cranks--that sort of puts this whole bike riding thing into
perspective.

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:

>http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
>$1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>shimano-

Dear Peter,

$1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
$7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
$15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
$1 thrift store bike bell
-------
$23,301 *

* Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Chalo]

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> $1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-

That makes me hope they fail to recover the cost of their tooling.
But somehow I think they might find enough other willing tools out
there to crank out a profit.

Chalo

[jim beam]

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> $1300!!!
>
> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> shimano-
>

you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.

$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit? when
the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
whine about...

[Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com]

On Sep 28, 8:06 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 7:53 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> I'm more pleased by both the modern green and the old fashioned
> utility bikes intended to mobilize people in the third world. When you
> see such a simple machine and understand how liberating it will be for
> the recipient and that you can get ten of them for the price of those
> ridiculous cranks--that sort of puts this whole bike riding thing into
> perspective.

How about just a bike, any bike, that can be had and ridden for
decades that cost 1/2 or so of these cranksa. I thought $1000 for Zipp
cranks was outlandish...so a DA electronic group, with Carbon cranks
and DA carbon wheels...priceless, almost literally.

[russellseaton1@yahoo.com]

On Sep 28, 1:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>
> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> >$1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> >shimano-
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
>
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?

[Scott Gordo]

On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>
> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> >$1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> >shimano-
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
>
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

I'll take two.

/s

[A Muzi]

> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>> $1300!!!
>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> shimano-

carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
> $1 thrift store bike bell
> -------
> $23,301 *
> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

Can I use the "Buy 2 bikes get a free car rack" coupon?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:41:58 -0700, "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sep 28, 1:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>
>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>
>> >$1300!!!
>>
>> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> >shimano-
>>
>> Dear Peter,
>>
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>>
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
>mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
>the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
>crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
>bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
>clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
>rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?

Dear Russell,

That's why assembly is extra and unspecified--imagine the cost of
fitting all those silly, overpriced parts together.

And imagine the owner explaining how much faster they made him!

Why, we might have to include a salary for a "spin" consultant in the
budget in order to explain the tremendous advantage of the "10%
stiffer" crank, the "damage isolation" of the carbon frame, and the
"special layups for specific rider weights and characteristics" of the
wheels.

A new shade of red is rumored to be available in late 2008, capable of
increasing the speed of financial extraction from wallets by 0.3% in
actual cash register tests.

A $3.99 wicker basket can be attached to the handlebar to reduce the
carbon footprint.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[A Muzi]

>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>> $1300!!!
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-

> carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.

russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> Carl, Don't you think 700C LEW wheels would look odd in a 26" wheel
> mountain bike frame? Would they fit? Would you be able to compress
> the 135mm rear triangle to fit the 130mm LEW hub? Would the Dura Ace
> crank designed for 68mm bottom bracket width fit a presumably 73mm
> bottom bracket width on the mountain bike frame? Would the chainrings
> clear the chainstays since the mountain bike is designed for smaller
> rings and wider Q with a triple crankset?

A good bike mechanic just says "yes, sir" and dives right in.
We're inured to the merely pointless. Impossible can add a few hours.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10 -0000, Scott Gordo
<blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>
>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>
>> >$1300!!!
>>
>> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>> >shimano-
>>
>> Dear Peter,
>>
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>>
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>I'll take two.
>
>/s

Dear Scott,

Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.

In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.

Would you like three?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[M-gineering]

carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10 -0000, Scott Gordo
> <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>>
>>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>> $1300!!!
>>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>>> shimano-
>>> Dear Peter,
>>>
>>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>>> -------
>>> $23,301 *
>>>
>>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carl Fogel
>> I'll take two.
>>
>> /s
>
> Dear Scott,
>
> Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.
>
> In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
> bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.
>
> Would you like three?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

Dear Carl.
You might want to revise that surcharge of only 25%. If your customer
buys a bike, the unsold bikes increase in rarity and value will increase
correspondently. Your pricing should reflect that ;)

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:13:46 +0200, M-gineering
<ikmotgeenspam@m-gineering.nl> wrote:

>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:16:10 -0000, Scott Gordo
>> <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2:02 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:53:37 -0700, "Qui si parla
>>>>
>>>> Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>>> $1300!!!
>>>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>>>> shimano-
>>>> Dear Peter,
>>>>
>>>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>>>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>>>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>>>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>>>> -------
>>>> $23,301 *
>>>>
>>>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>>>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Carl Fogel
>>> I'll take two.
>>>
>>> /s
>>
>> Dear Scott,
>>
>> Sorry, but we offer no discount for multiple orders.
>>
>> In fact, there's a 25% surcharge, since we didn't know that a second
>> bike would required and must order all the separate parts again.
>>
>> Would you like three?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Dear Carl.
>You might want to revise that surcharge of only 25%. If your customer
>buys a bike, the unsold bikes increase in rarity and value will increase
>correspondently. Your pricing should reflect that ;)

Dear Marten,

We regret to inform our valued customers that increased costs
associated with customer inquiries forces us to charge an additional
12.3% for internet access and clerical overhead.

Please remember that our secretary's tip jar is a vital part of her
retirement plan.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:24:39 -0500, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:

>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>> $1300!!!
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>
>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> $1,300 Shimano DA carbon crank
>> $7,000 Delta 7 Arantix carbon frame
>> $15,000 Lew carbon wheelset
>> $1 thrift store bike bell
>> -------
>> $23,301 *
>> * Chain, derailleurs, cassette, cables, brakes, pedals, seat,
>> handlebar, handlebar tape, tires, inflation, assembly: extra.
>
>Can I use the "Buy 2 bikes get a free car rack" coupon?

Dear Andrew,

Regrettably, we cannot honor coupons from other companies.

However, we are pleased to offer a discount to the trade, so a
two-ounce bottle of Phil Wood bike-bell chime-grease can be added to
your order for only $15.95 instead of the usual $19.95.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Sep 29, 4:08 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> That makes me hope they fail to recover the cost of their tooling.
> But somehow I think they might find enough other willing tools out
> there to crank out a profit.
>
> Chalo

Remember: Profit = turns x margin. At those margins, a healthy profit
is assured Shimano.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.

Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
$1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.


> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years

How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.

> and keeps you fit?


Will constantly emptying the wallet on bling keep ya fit?


>when
> the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
> going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
> manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
> whine about...

[smokeystrodtman@gmail.com]

On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>
> > $1300!!!
>
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit? when
> the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
> going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
> manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
> whine about...

"$1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?"

I thought there were some who managed to keep fit with the regular old
forged cranks. That guy in Austin, Texas comes to mind.

Smokey

[Chalo]

jim beam wrote:

>
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> >
> >http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> >
> > $1300!!!
> >
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?

OK, where to start...

"Lasts for years". Cranks, last I checked, were tied with pedals for
the most likely bike parts to suffer significant surface damage. So
the odds of a CFRP crank to last for years of regular use without a
gash, ding, or deep scratch are pretty slim. And once gashed, dinged,
or deeply scratched, you know as well as any of us that a carbon-
plastic crank is an accident waiting to happen.

"Keeps you fit". So the advantage if these $1300 plastic cranks over
a $400 set of hollow forged aluminum cranks, or $150 welded steel
cranks, or $30 cast aluminum cranks, or $10 one-piece cranks is what,
exactly? Remember that the suppository saddle that goes with these
cranks will kill whatever boner you would have gotten from your hawt
plastic bling, so that doesn't count.

Chalo

[Luke]

In article <g96dnY9VqbCg6mPbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@speakeasy.net>, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:

> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> > http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> >
> > $1300!!!
> >
> > Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> > shimano-
> >
>
> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?

<snip>

Cranks don't keep you fit, activity does. Pedalling a crankset 1/20th
the cost is just as effective.

[jim beam]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>> $1300!!!
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>
> Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
> $1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
>
>
>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>
>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
>
> How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
> far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
> supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.

eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?


>
>> and keeps you fit?
>
>
> Will constantly emptying the wallet on bling keep ya fit?
>
>
>> when
>> the dollar is in the toilet and therefore the cost of importation is
>> going through the roof? and when there are no competitive domestic
>> manufacturers? dude, i think there are other much bigger things to
>> whine about...
>
>

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Sep 29, 11:17 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
> >>> $1300!!!
> >>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
> >>> shimano-
> >> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>
> > Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
> > $1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
>
> >> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>
> >> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
>
> > How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
> > far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
> > supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.
>
> eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?

When parts are no longer available because Shimano has "walked away".
Octalink BBs are the latest example.
>

[jim beam]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Sep 29, 11:17 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Sep 29, 11:03 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>>> $1300!!!
>>>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>>>> shimano-
>>>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>>> Geez, ISTM that "$10k+ on a fast motorcycle" is far better value than
>>> $1.3k on a *crankset* for a bicycle.
>>>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years
>>> How do we know it will "last you years"? Given Shimano's history, it's
>>> far more likely it will quickly just become "last year's news" and be
>>> supplanted with a totally different and non-compatible crank.
>> eh? since when was design progression a mechanical reliability problem?
>
> When parts are no longer available because Shimano has "walked away".
> Octalink BBs are the latest example.
>
>
eh? walked away??? from 09/11/2007 11:29 PM, we read mike
jacoubowsky's post titled: "Shimano Octalink road BB future" from which
we learn that: "for a good many years they will continue to manufacture
and supply '105 and DuraAce versions".

how is that "walked away"? do you know other facts to the contrary? is
mike bull****ting? or are you merely voicing supposition?

[jim beam]

Chalo wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>
>>> $1300!!!
>>>
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>
>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?
>
> OK, where to start...
>
> "Lasts for years". Cranks, last I checked, were tied with pedals for
> the most likely bike parts to suffer significant surface damage. So
> the odds of a CFRP crank to last for years of regular use without a
> gash, ding, or deep scratch are pretty slim. And once gashed, dinged,
> or deeply scratched, you know as well as any of us that a carbon-
> plastic crank is an accident waiting to happen.

but paradoxically, it's not a fatigue initiation nightmare like it is
for aluminum. disruption of the outer surface layers can lead to
delamination and other composite badness, but not necessarily. and most
"carbon" cranks are actually aluminum with a thin [cosmetic?] carbon skin.

>
> "Keeps you fit". So the advantage if these $1300 plastic cranks over
> a $400 set of hollow forged aluminum cranks, or $150 welded steel
> cranks, or $30 cast aluminum cranks, or $10 one-piece cranks is what,
> exactly? Remember that the suppository saddle that goes with these
> cranks will kill whatever boner you would have gotten from your hawt
> plastic bling, so that doesn't count.
>
> Chalo
>

my "suppository" sella italia slr saddle is actually a good deal more
comfortable than my other s.i. flites [plain, trans-am & gel], my wtb,
my vetta, or other sundry oddities.

but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.

[Chalo]

jim beam wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > So the advantage [of] these $1300 plastic cranks over
> > a $400 set of hollow forged aluminum cranks, or $150 welded steel
> > cranks, or $30 cast aluminum cranks, or $10 one-piece cranks is what,
> > exactly? Remember that the suppository saddle that goes with these
> > cranks will kill whatever boner you would have gotten from your hawt
> > plastic bling, so that doesn't count.
>
> my "suppository" sella italia slr saddle is actually a good deal more
> comfortable than my other s.i. flites [plain, trans-am & gel], my wtb,
> my vetta, or other sundry oddities.

I've never had the bone spacing or the body weight to make do with
racy saddles, even when that meant Selle Italia Turbo or Selle San
Marco Rolls. But I have watched many of my friends heap one thousand
curses on the skinny things that came with their bikes. I was working
in bike shops during the age of the original Flite, and the consensus
on that seemed to be "not as bad as it looks". To me it looked like a
practical joke, though.

> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.

Not me specifically (neither my budget nor my wife is that
accommodating), but you have a point there.

Chalo

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

"jim beam" who? wrote:
> ...
> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.

That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one time
financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.

I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on her
over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick". And the
man who would spend it has much more money than the just rewards for his
labor, is a fool, or both.

--
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A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.




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[renum]

jim beam wrote:
> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.

Not even a buoyant infection of VD?

[Jambo]

> jim beam wrote:
>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.

Do we really have to read about your sad social life?

Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....

[Lou Holtman]

Luke wrote:
> In article <g96dnY9VqbCg6mPbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@speakeasy.net>, jim beam
> <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
>>> http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/13405.0.html
>>>
>>> $1300!!!
>>>
>>> Yowser, think I'll still recommend aluminum for those who gotta have
>>> shimano-
>>>
>> you can spend $10k+ on a fast motorcycle.
>> you can spend $100k+ [EASY] on a fast car.
>>
>> $1,300 for shimano bling that lasts you years and keeps you fit?
>
> <snip>
>
> Cranks don't keep you fit, activity does. Pedalling a crankset 1/20th
> the cost is just as effective.


He meant comparing with spending 100k on a car or something.

Lou
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[A Muzi]

> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>> ...
>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one time
> financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on her
> over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick". And the
> man who would spend it has much more money than the just rewards for his
> labor, is a fool, or both.

No date this weekend, Tom?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Andrew Muzi mused:
>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>> ...
>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one time
>> financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on her
>> over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick". And the
>> man who would spend it has much more money than the just rewards for
>> his labor, is a fool, or both.
>
> No date this weekend, Tom?

Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).

If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money. Anything
else is prostitution.

Not buying a $1300 crank either.

--
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A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.


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[Ted Bennett]

In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:

> Andrew Muzi mused:
> >> "jim beam" who? wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
> >>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
> >
> > Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one time
> >> financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
> >> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on her
> >> over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick". And the
> >> man who would spend it has much more money than the just rewards for
> >> his labor, is a fool, or both.
> >
> > No date this weekend, Tom?
>
> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>
> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money. Anything
> else is prostitution.
>
> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>


Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along shortly.

--
Ted Bennett

[Bill Sornson]

Ted Bennett wrote:
> In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>> chick
>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>> afterwards.
>>>
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
>>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
>>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
>>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.
>>>
>>> No date this weekend, Tom?
>>
>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>
>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>
>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>>
>
>
> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
> shortly.

Nah. Too cheap.

[Kristian M Zoerhoff]

On 2007-10-01, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
> Ted Bennett wrote:
>> In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>> chick
>>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>>>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
>>>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
>>>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
>>>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.
>>>>
>>>> No date this weekend, Tom?
>>>
>>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>>
>>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>>
>>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
>> shortly.
>
> Nah. Too cheap.

$1300 is cheap? You have high standards.

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)

[Michael Press]

In article <47005323$0$32519$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote:

> Ted Bennett wrote:
> > In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> > "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew Muzi mused:
> >>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
> >>>>> chick
> >>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
> >>>>> afterwards.
> >>>
> >>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
> >>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
> >>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
> >>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
> >>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
> >>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.
> >>>
> >>> No date this weekend, Tom?
> >>
> >> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
> >>
> >> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
> >> Anything else is prostitution.
> >>
> >> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
> > shortly.
>
> Nah. Too cheap.

What is cheap enough?

In answer to your other question: Wide Load

--
Michael Press

[Bill Sornson]

Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> On 2007-10-01, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>> In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>> chick
>>>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>>>>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
>>>>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
>>>>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
>>>>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.
>>>>>
>>>>> No date this weekend, Tom?
>>>>
>>>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>>>
>>>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>>>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>>>
>>>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
>>> shortly.
>>
>> Nah. Too cheap.
>
> $1300 is cheap? You have high standards.

Whoosh.

[A Muzi]

>>>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>> chick
>>>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>> afterwards.

>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>>>>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
>>>>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
>>>>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
>>>>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.

>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>> No date this weekend, Tom?

>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>>>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.

>> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
>>> shortly.

> Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>> Nah. Too cheap.

Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> $1300 is cheap? You have high standards.

For amateurs anyway.
Chicago Trib front page Sunday says Nevada brothels get $1400 a throw.
and up to $15,000 (!). (Sornson alert: Formerly a 'family newspaper')

Me? I just borrow a bike from the Zasadny brothers when I'm in Reno.
--
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www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jim beam]

Jambo wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>
> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>
> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>
>
>
er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me. but you snipped
the attribution because you wanted to bull****. and because you're a moron.

[Kristian M Zoerhoff]

On 2007-10-01, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
> Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
>> On 2007-10-01, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>>> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>>> In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>>> chick
>>>>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>>>>>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
>>>>>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
>>>>>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
>>>>>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No date this weekend, Tom?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>>>>
>>>>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>>>>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
>>>> shortly.
>>>
>>> Nah. Too cheap.
>>
>> $1300 is cheap? You have high standards.
>
> Whoosh.

No, Bill, I got the joke. I was tried to crank more mileage out of it.

Whoosh yerself :-)

--

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_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)

[Bill Sornson]

Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> On 2007-10-01, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>> Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
>>> On 2007-10-01, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>>>> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>>>> In article <47002ffc$0$26384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
>>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>>>> chick
>>>>>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>>>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal
>>>>>>>> issues. I would describe a woman who expects that type of
>>>>>>>> money spent on her over a weekend with a word much more
>>>>>>>> derogatory than "chick". And the man who would spend it has
>>>>>>>> much more money than the just rewards for his labor, is a
>>>>>>>> fool, or both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No date this weekend, Tom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>>>>>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
>>>>> shortly.
>>>>
>>>> Nah. Too cheap.
>>>
>>> $1300 is cheap? You have high standards.
>>
>> Whoosh.
>
> No, Bill, I got the joke. I was tried to crank more mileage out of it.
>
> Whoosh yerself :-)

No, Kristian, I meant I don't do the "Family newsgroup, buddy" shtick for
obviously suggestive or sexual stuff. It has to be subtle and
unintentional -- and preferably taken completely out of context. (Like
Peter saying "lube generously and insert slowly" or something similar.) I
like to pull it out and have it stand alone. (SEE??? :) )

Bill "now, will spell-check help with shtick?" S.

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>>>> "jim beam" who? wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>>> chick
>>>>>>>> in just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>>> afterwards.
>
>>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> That could be considered a good deal, if the loss is only a one
>>>>>>> time financial setback, with no lasting medical or legal issues.
>>>>>>> I would describe a woman who expects that type of money spent on
>>>>>>> her over a weekend with a word much more derogatory than "chick".
>>>>>>> And the man who would spend it has much more money than the just
>>>>>>> rewards for his labor, is a fool, or both.
>
>>>>> Andrew Muzi mused:
>>>>>> No date this weekend, Tom?
>
>>>> "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Not at those prices (about two weeks net pay).
>>>>> If a woman wants stuff, she can get a job and earn the money.
>>>>> Anything else is prostitution.
>>>>> Not buying a $1300 crank either.
>
>>> Ted Bennett wrote:
>>>> Hmm. Prostitution, crank. Yessir, Bill Sornson will be along
>>>> shortly.
>
>> Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>>> Nah. Too cheap.
>
> Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
>> $1300 is cheap? You have high standards.
>
> For amateurs anyway.
> Chicago Trib front page Sunday says Nevada brothels get $1400 a throw.
> and up to $15,000 (!). (Sornson alert: Formerly a 'family newspaper')...

Back in the early 1990's, I had an acquaintance who strongly believed in
the free market [1], and the fee was $60, with his cut being $20.

$1400 for a prostitute is more ridiculous than $1300 for a crank[arm]set.

[1] If it is between consenting adults, it is acceptable.

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[Chalo]

jim beam wrote:
>
> Jambo wrote:
> >>
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>>
> >>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
> >>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>
> > Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>
> > Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>
> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.

Nope, try again. But I do have to take credit for the prurient tack
this conversation has taken, because I brought up the boner-promoting
aspect of expensive plastic parts.

Chalo

[Jambo]

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:QNydnSmbmvdqXJzanZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Jambo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>
>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>
>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me. but you snipped the
> attribution because you wanted to bull****. and because you're a moron.

Nah, the whole concept of blowing $1300 "on a chick in just one weekend" is
all your statement, beamboy. It's sad that in your old age, the only
companionship you can have is one you have to pay for... but then that's
what you get for being a fraud and a liar, I guess.....

[jim beam]

Chalo wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Jambo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick in
>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>
> Nope, try again.

whoops, ok. sorry.

> But I do have to take credit for the prurient tack
> this conversation has taken, because I brought up the boner-promoting
> aspect of expensive plastic parts.
>
> Chalo
>

life's tough.

[Jambo]

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:rrGdnTXYgoEUU5zanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Chalo wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Jambo wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>>
>> Nope, try again.
>
> whoops, ok. sorry.

Caught in another lie, beamboy.

> life's tough.

You can tell us about it, but rather you didn't. Sad story of old guy like
you paying for female companionship is tragic enough...

[jim beam]

Jambo wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:rrGdnTXYgoEUU5zanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Jambo wrote:
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a chick
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it afterwards.
>>>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>>>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>>> Nope, try again.
>> whoops, ok. sorry.
>
> Caught in another lie, beamboy.
>
>> life's tough.
>
> You can tell us about it, but rather you didn't. Sad story of old guy like
> you paying for female companionship is tragic enough...
>
>

quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing moron.

[Ben C]

On 2007-10-03, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
[...]
> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
> you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing moron.

Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?

[Jambo]

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:FoidnXwZ2pNbjJ7anZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Jambo wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:rrGdnTXYgoEUU5zanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> Jambo wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>> but returning to the $1,300 and boners, you can blow that on a
>>>>>>>> chick in
>>>>>>>> just one weekend. and you'll have nothing to show for it
>>>>>>>> afterwards.
>>>>>> Do we really have to read about your sad social life?
>>>>>> Hookers and fakers and bikes, oh my....
>>>>> er, the word "prostitution" came from chalo, not me.
>>>> Nope, try again.
>>> whoops, ok. sorry.
>>
>> Caught in another lie, beamboy.
>>
>>> life's tough.
>>
>> You can tell us about it, but rather you didn't. Sad story of old guy
>> like you paying for female companionship is tragic enough...
>
> quoth the dateless moron.

Fraudulent lying tard has been caught in a lie (again) and now tries to
rationalize it...

> /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if you count mortgages, cars,
> clothes, baubles, etc.

Not interested in your sad life experiences, lying fraudtard.

> and when they reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word.

Not interested in your sad bastard kids either.

> but you wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing
> moron.

Damn right you're right. I've never looked at women as "chicks", never
looked at them as costs, and never thought that only women reproduced (they
can't do that by themselves, beamboy). Come to think of it, never needed to
employ hookers for female companionship, either.

C'mon beamboy, you know you were talking about hookers, they're the only
female companionship you can get. Sad that in your old age, this is the
only way you can get it.

[Jambo]

"Ben C" <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote in message
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> On 2007-10-03, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
>> you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing moron.
>
> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?

Nah, Italians don't generally reside in trailer parks.

[A Muzi]

> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money if
>> you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing moron.

Ben C wrote:
> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?

There are plenty around:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ITALGIRL.JPG

When talking with a woman in California, noting her name, I asked if she
was also Italian. She slowly replied "I married one. . . ".
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jim beam]

A Muzi wrote:
>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money
>>> if you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing moron.
>
> Ben C wrote:
>> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
>
> There are plenty around:
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ITALGIRL.JPG
>
> When talking with a woman in California, noting her name, I asked if she
> was also Italian. She slowly replied "I married one. . . ".

was that a problem for you?

[Jambo]

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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>A Muzi wrote:
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> quoth the dateless moron. /any/ chick costs money. a /lot/ of money
>>>> if you count mortgages, cars, clothes, baubles, etc. and when they
>>>> reproduce? /that/ is a whole new definition of the word. but you
>>>> wouldn't know because you've never been there. [non]****ing moron.
>>
>> Ben C wrote:
>>> Omigod you didn't marry an Italian girl did you?
>>
>> There are plenty around:
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ITALGIRL.JPG
>>
>> When talking with a woman in California, noting her name, I asked if she
>> was also Italian. She slowly replied "I married one. . . ".
>
> was that a problem for you?

Obviously it was for you, beamboy.