Dynepo

[Marty]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-scandal-continues.html

So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
--
Marty

[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

Marty <m_piet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-scandal-continues.html

> So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> --
> Marty

Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

[benn.trovato@hotmail.com]

On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
>
> So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> --
> Marty

I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
folks might call a technicality.

[Marty]

On Sep 28, 1:53 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
> > So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> > the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> > --
> > Marty
>
> Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
> also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

I guess because MR's name will get them the attention they are looking
for. Sad that they do this to the riders all the time now. No proof
of anything - don't say/write anything.
--
Marty

[lewdvig]

On Sep 28, 1:53 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
> also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?
>

It was not cyclists. It was folks in athletics. ITF or whatever they
are called, are smart enough to shut up untill the evidence is in.

[Morten Reippuert Knudsen]

Marty <m_piet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 1:53 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> > Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
> > > So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> > > the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> > > --
> > > Marty
> >
> > Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
> > also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?
> >
> > --
> > Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
> >
> > Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

> I guess because MR's name will get them the attention they are looking
> for. Sad that they do this to the riders all the time now. No proof
> of anything - don't say/write anything.

So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

--
mvh. Morten Reippuert Knudsen

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Sep 28, 11:53 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
>
> > So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> > the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> > --
> > Marty
>
> I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
> positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
> before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
> human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
> folks might call a technicality.

Quoting from the article linked to:

<An EPO test is deemed to be positive is the erythropoietin is
obtained chemically but due to the fact Dynepo is made from human
cells WADA fear that is could be mistaken with human EPO resulting in
the "non-positive" result.>

The technicality being that WADA perhaps isn't so Pound-sure of its
testing after all?

The first Landis test was arguably contaminated. Then, they covered
their asses with "positive" retro-testing.

Reference for comparison:

http://blog.kir.com/archives/000989.asp

Yes, those charged with cleaning up society lied in order to obtain
convictions and maintain coverups. Not just once or twice, either, and
that was just one crime lab.

I'd suggest that "technicalities" become important when the subject of
testing is seen as a member of a criminal population ("they all dope",
or "we knew he/she was a doper").

Doping is an unsolvable problem. Grandstanding and scapegoating riders
in order to sell corporate sponsorships (what Pound is really all
about)-- no twinge of irony there? (think "Enron").

--D-y

[Chris M]

On Sep 28, 9:53 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
>
> > So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> > the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> > --
> > Marty
>
> I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
> positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
> before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
> human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
> folks might call a technicality.

The last I read several years ago is that any blood doping whether
explicitly forbidden or not can lead to a corrective action against
the rider. Is this no longer the case? It sure would surprise me in
this current climate in cycling if anyone gave any thought at all to
the human rights of any individual(s).

[CowPunk]

On Sep 28, 10:53 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:51 am, Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28092007/58/tour-de-france-rasmussen-sc...
>
> > So, they can't say he failed a drug test because they are not certain
> > the non-negative was due to this Dynepo stuff. Is that correct?
> > --
> > Marty
>
> I understood from the Equipe article that they can't declare him
> positive because the specific criteria for positivity were drawn up
> before the availability of dynepo and other forms of epo derived from
> human sources. In other words, he gets off on what the law'n'order
> folks might call a technicality.

And the article also says that the CB lab doesn't have a test for
Dynepo, but
somehow he tested positive for it.... just more slander by the CB
lab.
Throw some mud on the wall and see if it sticks.

[Chris M]

> Yes, those charged with cleaning up society lied in order to obtain
> convictions and maintain coverups. Not just once or twice, either, and
> that was just one crime lab.
>
> I'd suggest that "technicalities" become important when the subject of
> testing is seen as a member of a criminal population ("they all dope",
> or "we knew he/she was a doper").
>
> Doping is an unsolvable problem. Grandstanding and scapegoating riders
> in order to sell corporate sponsorships (what Pound is really all
> about)-- no twinge of irony there? (think "Enron").
>
> --D-y

I thought I was the only one that noticed.

[Donald Munro]

Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
> story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
> for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
> yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.

This is beginning to sound like an Axis of Evil I'm eviler than you
contest.

> Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
> races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
> contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
> status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.

[lewdvig]

On Sep 30, 3:46 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
> races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
> contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
> status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.
>

Loss of status? Who the heck cares about the Pro Tour and its mostly
second class races if ASO and the other Tours keep their races to
themselves? Besides, ASO et all can buy the remaining good races and
then where would the UCI be?

Sorry, dinosaurs like Pat, Hein and the UCI in general should be
extinct.

UCI: Uniform and Consistent Incompetance

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Sep 30, 2:46 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
> story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
> for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
> yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.
>
> Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
> races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
> contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
> status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.

If Paris-Roubaix and LBL are out of the ProTour, it's
not a loss of status for them, it's a loss of status
for the ProTour.

It sounds like what they are announcing or leaking is a
non-positive positive test, that is, they found it but
the test protocol (Reading X above Y%, etc) hasn't been
made official by WADA yet, so it's not a sanctionable
positive. It's fighting dirty, but I'm not overflowing
with sympathy for riders who thought they were a full
step ahead of the dope cops but were only a half step
ahead. I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

Ben

[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:15:47 +0200, Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>> So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
>> story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI who
>> for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
>> yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.
>
>This is beginning to sound like an Axis of Evil I'm eviler than you
>contest.
>
>> Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
>> races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
>> contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
>> status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.
>
>Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
>teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
>Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.

The messier this gets the more I am inclined to take Discovery at their word,
that they could not in good faith negotiate with a sponsor.

Guys getting AAF for a test that nobody knew existed. Major races divorced from
the Pro-Tour so that there can be no promises of getting a team invited.
Classics relegated to lesser status and operating on the fringes of sanction by
UCI. Which itself amounts to what, a rule book and what, exactly? Rollerblade
extreme sports?

"Sure, give us $15Meg and we'll make you look good" doesn't exactly sound
credible in that world.

[Frank Drackman]

"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46ff8563$0$24917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>> So far UCI has denied that Rasmussen has tested positive for Dynepo. The
>> story looks like ASO is trying the recapture the media attantion from UCI
>> who
>> for the past 2 weeks has been the toughest doping-chaser-in-the-media
>> yet seen - A title ASO thought they won this summer.
>
> This is beginning to sound like an Axis of Evil I'm eviler than you
> contest.
>
>> Secondly ASO needs to justity their decissions in general after all their
>> races was degraded from Pro tour to european tour. (below the
>> contineltal tour). Not exactly what ASO hoped for and a major loss of
>> status for their races Paris-Nice, PRP, LBL and Gent-Wevelgem.
>
> Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
> teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
> Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.
>

Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <DYWdnYM8Lvd60Z3anZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46ff8563$0$24917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...

> > Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
> > teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
> > Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.
> >
>
> Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.

The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from racing - UCI
were unable to change that.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Cycle Carl]

<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
news:1191212498.938511.219360@r29g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>...
> I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
> legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.
>
> Ben
>
Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European Union
18 March 2002

--
Carl

[Michael Press]

In article
<YOURhoward-951C5D.21270430092007@comcast.dca.giganews.
com>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <DYWdnYM8Lvd60Z3anZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:46ff8563$0$24917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
>
> > > Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
> > > teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
> > > Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.
>
> The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from racing - UCI
> were unable to change that.

But they did not _try_. Unibet handed over a bunch of money
and got nothing for it. Worse than unfair, UCI defrauded Unibet.

--
Michael Press

[Frank Drackman]

"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-951C5D.21270430092007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <DYWdnYM8Lvd60Z3anZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46ff8563$0$24917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
>
>> > Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
>> > teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
>> > Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.
>> >
>>
>> Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.
>
> The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from
> racing - UCI
> were unable to change that.
>
> --
Did the UCI return the money that THEY charged Unibet for the Pro Tour
license?

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Sep 30, 10:42 pm, "Cycle Carl" <cyclecarl-bab...@REMOVE.yahoo.com>
wrote:
> <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
>
> news:1191212498.938511.219360@r29g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...>...
> > I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
> > legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.
>
> > Ben
>
> Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European Union
> 18 March 2002
>

Interesting, but:

http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showtktshirepress.jsp?ref=36&tn=&m1=&m2=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynepo
http://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/shire/Products/index.jsp?tn=4

(Shire is the company that makes or sells Dynepo.)
My reading of this is that the EU approved it, medically,
in 2002. But it's been tied up in patent litigation
vs. Amgen and was not available, and judging from the
last of the pages, still isn't available - they don't
even have a picture of the bottle up.

Damn, I need that picture of the bottle! Otherwise,
how aam I going to know if I'm getting the genuine
**** That Will Kill Them?

Ben

[Donald Munro]

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Damn, I need that picture of the bottle! Otherwise,
> how aam I going to know if I'm getting the genuine
> **** That Will Kill Them?

Dumbass,
Saline solution packaged in a Hemassist vial works
just as well.

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

<b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
(Please excuse sloppy editing by D-y)

(someone raised Point A):
> > > I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
> > > legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.

(Someone replied):
> > Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European Union
> > 18 March 2002

(Further along the trail):
> Interesting, but:
>
> http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showtktshirepre...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynepohttp://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/shire/Products/index.jsp?tn=4
>
> (Shire is the company that makes or sells Dynepo.)
> My reading of this is that the EU approved it, medically,
> in 2002. But it's been tied up in patent litigation
> vs. Amgen and was not available, and judging from the
> last of the pages, still isn't available - they don't
> even have a picture of the bottle up.

Whoops: My reading of this is that the boys and girls in the dope lab
heard about a whiz-bang new doping substance (tipped off by Pound's
agents?), and figured in convicting a rider (in the press) of using
it, even though Dynepo isn't actually available for consumption.

(the boys and girls in the lab, comparing notes):

"Oh, look, what's that? Human, but sure enough, that must be that
Dynepo they told us about! That's what he was on! Hurry! Call the
newspapers!"

Or Rasmussen sneaked into the field trials?
(Held in Mexico <g>?) --D-y

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Oct 1, 1:39 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > Damn, I need that picture of the bottle! Otherwise,
> > how aam I going to know if I'm getting the genuine
> > **** That Will Kill Them?
>
> Dumbass,
> Saline solution packaged in a Hemassist vial works
> just as well.

Dumbass,

It's not the contents of the bottle so much, I need
the bottle itself, to toss away and drive my fellow
Masters Fatties crazy, just like Coppi did to Bartali:

One day in the 1946 Giro, Bartali saw Coppi drink a
small bottle of some liquid and throw it in the grass
by the roadside. "What the hell is it he drinks?"
Bartali asked himself.
"The first thing I did was note precisely where he
threw his bottle. After the Giro, which I won by 47
seconds over Fausto, I drove to the spot where the
bottle was, and after a little searching, found it.
The next day, first thing, I went to my personal
doctor and asked him to identify it.
The result was a big letdown. No drug. No magic.
Just a French mineral water that could be bought
anywhere. I immediately bought a case.
[Bartali goes on to describe how he would sneak into
Coppi's room just before the start of a stage and look
around - "operation wastebasket" - for mystery products.]
... Poor Fausto. He never understood how he aroused
all my Toscanerie, all my bitterness and aggressiveness."

[Quoted in Owen Mulholland's _Uphill Battle_]

So you see, it's not just the doping, but the mind games
about the doping, that are part of the hallowed tradition
of cycling.

Ben

[Benjo Maso]

<dustoyevsky@mac.com> schreef in bericht
news:1191242446.018641.75510@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> (Please excuse sloppy editing by D-y)
>
> (someone raised Point A):
>> > > I'm not even sure Dynepo is available for
>> > > legitimate pharmaceutical sales yet.
>
> (Someone replied):
>> > Date of issue of Marketing Authorisation valid throughout the European
>> > Union
>> > 18 March 2002
>
> (Further along the trail):
>> Interesting, but:
>>
>> http://www.shire.com/shire/NewsAndMedia/PressReleases/showtktshirepre...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynepohttp://ww7.investorrelations.co.uk/shire/Products/index.jsp?tn=4
>>
>> (Shire is the company that makes or sells Dynepo.)
>> My reading of this is that the EU approved it, medically,
>> in 2002. But it's been tied up in patent litigation
>> vs. Amgen and was not available, and judging from the
>> last of the pages, still isn't available - they don't
>> even have a picture of the bottle up.
>
> Whoops: My reading of this is that the boys and girls in the dope lab
> heard about a whiz-bang new doping substance (tipped off by Pound's
> agents?), and figured in convicting a rider (in the press) of using
> it, even though Dynepo isn't actually available for consumption.

DynEpo isn't that new. Four or five years ago I heard already that some
riders were using DynEpo, although it was extremely expensive and only
available on the black market. I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be
assumed that boys and girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I
overrating their competence?

Benjo

[Donald Munro]

Benjo Maso wrote:
> I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> competence?

The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).

I wonder if Pound skulks around rbr to hear the nice things being said
about him.

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Oct 1, 8:39 am, "Benjo Maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:

> DynEpo isn't that new. Four or five years ago I heard already that some
> riders were using DynEpo, although it was extremely expensive and only
> available on the black market. I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be
> assumed that boys and girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I
> overrating their competence?

The boys and girls in the dope lab know which competentcies count:
"Let's look at those Landis samples again"-- at what point, it has
occurred to me, did the supposedly "blind" testing protocols enable
just Floyd's samples to be tested again?. I know I must have this all
wrong... Well, the important thing is, they sure cleared up that messy
contaminated B sample problem. I think that's called "throw-down" in
some circles; very effective for making sure known criminals don't
escape on technicalities!

Perhaps this wonder of the black market-- supplying a product not yet
available commercially-- was a self-administered custodial (or rather,
-ian!) retirement package?

Actually, I think the field trial explanation is the most plausible. I
mean, if it works for Tour riders, it would have to be gangbusters in
the clinical setting, right? I mean, patients jumping out of bed to
ride their bikes home, and so forth? All intended to be very hush-
hush, of course! --D-y

[Benjo Maso]

"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
> Benjo Maso wrote:
>> I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
>> girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
>> competence?
>
> The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ?

They are not that bad! But of course I meant that if even I had heard about
it, people who are making a living to be expert on this terrain must have
been acquainted with it for a long time.

> I think its about time we
> started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).
>
> I wonder if Pound skulks around rbr to hear the nice things being said
> about him.

Who knows?

Benjo

[Howard Kveck]

In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Benjo Maso wrote:
> > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> > competence?
>
> The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
> started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).

This means you, Ryan.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <YOURhoward-071635.19034101102007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> > > competence?
> >
> > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
> > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).
>
> This means you, Ryan.

It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.

The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a wool
jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.

With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
I'm leaving the jersey project.

My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that someone
else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.

If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:

http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html

If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a similar-spec
wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
minimum order isn't very high.

The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE and
CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK

Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:

http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923

So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
given up sooner.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

[Kyle Legate]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
>
Can I get my money back?

[Marian]

On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> In article <YOURhoward-071635.19034101102...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> > > > competence?
>
> > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
> > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).
>
> > This means you, Ryan.
>
> It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
>
> The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a wool
> jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.
>
> With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
> that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
> I'm leaving the jersey project.
>
> My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that someone
> else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.
>
> If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:
>
> http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html
>
> If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a similar-spec
> wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
> minimum order isn't very high.
>
> The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
> sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE and
> CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.
>
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK
>
> Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:
>
> http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923
>
> So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
> to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
> given up sooner.

I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
Tour.

The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
a piss colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.

And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?

[Donald Munro]

Kyle Legate wrote:
> Can I get my money back?

LIVEDRUNK's official currency is the Zimbabwean dollar.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <5me6qvFbidmdU1@mid.individual.net>,
Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >
> > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
> >
> Can I get my money back?

Every penny.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

[Davey Crockett]

* Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> a écrit profondement:
|
| Kyle Legate wrote:
| > Can I get my money back?
|
| LIVEDRUNK's official currency is the Zimbabwean dollar.
|
|

Who pays the shipping?


1 US Dollar (USD) = 29,221.8 Zimbabwe Dollar (ZWD)

--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply

[Howard Kveck]

In article <rubrum-0A6E2D.16055602102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:

> In article
> <YOURhoward-951C5D.21270430092007@comcast.dca.giganews.
> com>,
> Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <DYWdnYM8Lvd60Z3anZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > "Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:46ff8563$0$24917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
> >
> > > > Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
> > > > teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
> > > > Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.
> >
> > The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from racing
> > - UCI
> > were unable to change that.
>
> But they did not _try_. Unibet handed over a bunch of money
> and got nothing for it. Worse than unfair, UCI defrauded Unibet.

I can't argue with that.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Oct 2, 4:05 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> > > Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.
>
> > The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from racing - UCI
> > were unable to change that.
>
> But they did not _try_. Unibet handed over a bunch of money
> and got nothing for it. Worse than unfair, UCI defrauded Unibet.
>

I'm shocked, shocked to hear! A bookie took a risk,
gave people money, and got nothing back.

Unibet (the name) still got some newspaper coverage.
Minor sponsors and the riders did get screwed.

Ben

[Howard Kveck]

In article <rcousine-6C3FBA.17153902102007@news.telus.net>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:

> In article <5me6qvFbidmdU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > >
> > > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
> > >
> > Can I get my money back?
>
> Every penny.

There goes our profit sharing.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Howard Kveck]

In article <H4udnbEHos9EdZ_anZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
> news:YOURhoward-951C5D.21270430092007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <DYWdnYM8Lvd60Z3anZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > "Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:46ff8563$0$24917$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
> >
> >> > Does anyone really care about the pro tour anymore ? Many of the
> >> > teams that were applying for pro tour status last year (eg
> >> > Barloworld) don't seem quite so keen now.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.
> >
> > The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from
> > racing - UCI
> > were unable to change that.
> >
> > --
> Did the UCI return the money that THEY charged Unibet for the Pro Tour
> license?

Like that was going to happen. McQuaid: "Ehh, things happen. It can't be helped."
Anyway, I'm not saying Unibet was done right by the UCI, just that they weren't the
main instigators of the ****.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Oct 2, 11:20 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <rcousine-6C3FBA.17153902102...@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > In article <5me6qvFbidm...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> > > > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
>
> > > Can I get my money back?
>
> > Every penny.
>
> There goes our profit sharing.

According to Ben "Big Dog" Weimaraner, profits are to be had in the
Canuckian to Yankee-Doodling currency exhange. Ryan could be a real
George Soros if he manages to sober up.


Yankee Doodle went to town,
A-Riding on a pony;
He stuck a feather in his hat,
And called it macaroni.

Yankee Doodle, keep it up,
Yankee Doodle dandy;
Mind the music and the step,
And with the girls be handy!

Brother Ephraim sold his Cow
And bought him a Commission;
And then he went to Canada
To fight for the Nation;

But when Ephraim he came home
He proved an arrant Coward,
He wouldn't fight the Frenchmen there
For fear of being devour'd.

[Ewoud Dronkert]

Howard Kveck wrote:
> Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> But [Unibet] did not _try_.
>
> I can't argue with that.

Pardon? They started several lawsuits for gaining access to races.


--
E. Dronkert

[Howard Kveck]

In article <29g6g3hnr5e4h6o02au5ibkl0rrcm15pop@4ax.com>,
Ewoud Dronkert <firstname@lastname.net.invalid> wrote:

> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> But [Unibet] did not _try_.
> >
> > I can't argue with that.
>
> Pardon? They started several lawsuits for gaining access to races.

Oh, I'd forgotten. I guess one could argue with that, then.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <1191400255.343402.87390@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.co m>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On Oct 2, 4:05 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Maybe they saw how fair the UCI was to Unibet.
> >
> > > The ASO and other GT organizers were the ones keeping Unibet from
> > > racing - UCI
> > > were unable to change that.
> >
> > But they did not _try_. Unibet handed over a bunch of money
> > and got nothing for it. Worse than unfair, UCI defrauded Unibet.
> >
>
> I'm shocked, shocked to hear! A bookie took a risk,
> gave people money, and got nothing back.

Bookies give you an honest proposition: they tell you what the terms
are, what you're paying for (a chance on a payout, if you're a good
guesser), and what the returns are (posted odds or nothing).

> Unibet (the name) still got some newspaper coverage.
> Minor sponsors and the riders did get screwed.

Unibet didn't get promised a betting slip, they got promised entry into
the ProTour. That's what all that money they paid the UCI to be
considered a ProTour team (as opposed to a Continental team, as befell
the "unlucky" ones).

And then it turned out, the UCI wasn't able to keep that promise, and
didn't have the guts (or more likely, the ability) to enforce their
promise by leaning on the promoters.

In short, the UCI sold the ProTour teams genuine Brooklyn Bridges, and
then the City of New York showed up to point out who had built that
bridge.

(PS: City of New York = ASO; Brooklyn Bridge = Paris-Roubaix)

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

[Ryan Cousineau]

On Oct 3, 2:13 am, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <YOURhoward-071635.19034101102...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> > > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> > > > > competence?
>
> > > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
> > > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).
>
> > > This means you, Ryan.
>
> > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
>
> > The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a wool
> > jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.
>
> > With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
> > that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
> > I'm leaving the jersey project.
>
> > My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that someone
> > else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.
>
> > If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:
>
> >http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html
>
> > If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a similar-spec
> > wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
> > minimum order isn't very high.
>
> > The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
> > sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE and
> > CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.
>
> >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK
>
> > Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:
>
> >http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923
>
> > So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
> > to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
> > given up sooner.
>
> I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
> the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
> club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
> Tour.
>
> The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
> think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
> a piss colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
> addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.
>
> And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
> bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?

A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
aesthetic).

[Marian]

On Oct 3, 11:55 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2:13 am, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > > In article <YOURhoward-071635.19034101102...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > > Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > > > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys and
> > > > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating their
> > > > > > competence?
>
> > > > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about time we
> > > > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > > > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK jerseys).
>
> > > > This means you, Ryan.
>
> > > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
>
> > > The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a wool
> > > jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.
>
> > > With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
> > > that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
> > > I'm leaving the jersey project.
>
> > > My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that someone
> > > else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.
>
> > > If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:
>
> > >http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html
>
> > > If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a similar-spec
> > > wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
> > > minimum order isn't very high.
>
> > > The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
> > > sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE and
> > > CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.
>
> > >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK
>
> > > Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:
>
> > >http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923
>
> > > So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
> > > to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
> > > given up sooner.
>
> > I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
> > the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
> > club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
> > Tour.
>
> > The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
> > think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
> > a piss colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
> > addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.
>
> > And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
> > bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?
>
> A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
> to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
> Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
> they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
> the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
> aesthetic).- Hide quoted text -

In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

(and yes, I have one ... )

-M

[Tom Kunich]

"lewdvig" <lewdvig@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191466240.646701.77030@d55g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Sep 28, 1:53 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>>
>> Yes. btw why didn't ASO anounce the names of the remaing 10 riders who
>> also testet positive for traces of Dynepo?
>
> It was not cyclists. It was folks in athletics. ITF or whatever they
> are called, are smart enough to shut up untill the evidence is in.

Indeed, indeed. The UCI, ASO and WADA have to compose some of the stupidest
people on the earth.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <1191469736.143186.103950@k79g2000hse.googlegroups. com>,
Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 3, 11:55 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 2:13 am, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <YOURhoward-071635.19034101102...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > > > Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > > > > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Benjo Maso wrote:
> > > > > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > competence?
> >
> > > > > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about
> > > > > > time we
> > > > > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
> > > > > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK
> > > > > > jerseys).
> >
> > > > > This means you, Ryan.
> >
> > > > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
> >
> > > > The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a
> > > > wool
> > > > jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.
> >
> > > > With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
> > > > that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
> > > > I'm leaving the jersey project.
> >
> > > > My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that
> > > > someone
> > > > else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.
> >
> > > > If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:
> >
> > > >http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html
> >
> > > > If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a
> > > > similar-spec
> > > > wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
> > > > minimum order isn't very high.
> >
> > > > The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
> > > > sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE
> > > > and
> > > > CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.
> >
> > > >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK
> >
> > > > Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:
> >
> > > >http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923
> >
> > > > So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
> > > > to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
> > > > given up sooner.
> >
> > > I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
> > > the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
> > > club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
> > > Tour.
> >
> > > The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
> > > think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
> > > a piss colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
> > > addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.
> >
> > > And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
> > > bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?
> >
> > A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
> > to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
> > Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
> > they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
> > the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
> > aesthetic).- Hide quoted text -
>
> In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
> make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.

There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

> (and yes, I have one ... )

TMI!

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

[Hobbes@spnb&s.com]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:22:52 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:

>In article <1191469736.143186.103950@k79g2000hse.googlegroups. com>,
> Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 3, 11:55 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Oct 3, 2:13 am, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Oct 2, 11:45 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > In article <YOURhoward-071635.19034101102...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
>> > > > Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > In article <4701065a$0$24908$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
>> > > > > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > Benjo Maso wrote:
>> > > > > > > I must have mentioned it in rbr. So it may be assumed that boys
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > girls in the dope lab heard about it before. Or am I overrating
>> > > > > > > their
>> > > > > > > competence?
>> >
>> > > > > > The dope labs are using rbr for data mining ? I think its about
>> > > > > > time we
>> > > > > > started charging for our services, if only to ensure the continued
>> > > > > > existence of LIVEDRUNK (and delivery of the fabled LIVEDRUNK
>> > > > > > jerseys).
>> >
>> > > > > This means you, Ryan.
>> >
>> > > > It's true. I've abandoned my responsibility to this dear cause.
>> >
>> > > > The truth? My enthusiasm waned once my racing club arranged to do a
>> > > > wool
>> > > > jersey order, and then I pretty much got lazy.
>> >
>> > > > With the combination of demotivation, lack of time, and just the fact
>> > > > that I'm pretty lazy and have more projects than a lazy man ought to,
>> > > > I'm leaving the jersey project.
>> >
>> > > > My main reason for saying so publicly is in the futile hope that
>> > > > someone
>> > > > else is interested enough to take up the organization of the project.
>> >
>> > > > If so, here's the company I was corresponding with:
>> >
>> > > >http://www.portlandcyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html
>> >
>> > > > If you want an alternative to that, Louis Garneau now has a
>> > > > similar-spec
>> > > > wool jersey available, and I can put you in touch with a rep. Their
>> > > > minimum order isn't very high.
>> >
>> > > > The logo should simply consist of an all-caps "LIVEDRUNK" rendered in a
>> > > > sans-serif font, ideally Compugraphic's CG Gothic No. 2 for the LIVE
>> > > > and
>> > > > CG Gothic No. 3 for the DRUNK.
>> >
>> > > >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070612200834AADg8jK
>> >
>> > > > Here's an alternative, Geometr415 Lt BT:
>> >
>> > > >http://forums.clantemplates.com/showthread.php?t=65923
>> >
>> > > > So that's that, and I apologize to anyone who was still waiting for me
>> > > > to stop sucking. I should have either taken care of this project or
>> > > > given up sooner.
>> >
>> > > I could do something about it. Champ-Sys is making the jerseys for
>> > > the Tour of Hainan and has made a bunch of jerseys for the local bike
>> > > club and I'll very likely be seeing the Champ-Sys guy at this year's
>> > > Tour.
>> >
>> > > The RAGBRAI pictures of Lance had him wearing a LiveSTRONG jersey so I
>> > > think a LiveDRUNK jersey should be patterned on that ... only more of
>> > > a piss colored yellow. Also think that the lettering should in
>> > > addition to using the correct font be blurred just a little bit.
>> >
>> > > And what about adding some subliminal sublimated yellow on yellow beer
>> > > bottles and cigarettes to the pattern?
>> >
>> > A caution: as always discussed previously, this was definitely going
>> > to be a wool jersey (that may or may not be a problem for Champ-Sys;
>> > Garneau doesn't even list a wool jersey in their catalog yet, but
>> > they're doing them already), and doing a synthetic jersey may limit
>> > the appeal (wool being so much more cyclocross-and-alcohol in its
>> > aesthetic).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
>> make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.
>
>There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
>capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.

It is a bold and unmistakable line - did your license get suspended before or
after you started bar hopping on a bike. If you got pulled for riding while
intoxicated you're not only LIVEDRUNK you get oakleaf clusters on your jersey.

>> (and yes, I have one ... )
>
>TMI!

[Marian]

> > In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
> > make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.
>
> There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
> capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.
>
> > (and yes, I have one ... )
>
> TMI!

I had a long sleeved coolmax t-shirt that I stole from my boyfriend.
The sleeves were baggy and to be a proper bike shirt it needed pockets
in the back. It makes a really good cool weather jersey.

[Marian]

> >> In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
> >> make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.
>
> >There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
> >capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.
>
> It is a bold and unmistakable line - did your license get suspended before or
> after you started bar hopping on a bike. If you got pulled for riding while
> intoxicated you're not only LIVEDRUNK you get oakleaf clusters on your jersey.

I uh... I never had a drivers' license.

But I've gotten so drunk that I was sent home from the bar in a taxi
with my bicycle in the trunk of the car.

-M

[Donald Munro]

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> Ryan could be a real George Soros if he manages to sober up.

Is the converse true if George Soros gets LIVEDRUNK ?

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <1191742263.581829.207320@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om>,
Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
> > > make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.
> >
> > There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
> > capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.
> >
> > > (and yes, I have one ... )
> >
> > TMI!
>
> I had a long sleeved coolmax t-shirt that I stole from my boyfriend.
> The sleeves were baggy and to be a proper bike shirt it needed pockets
> in the back. It makes a really good cool weather jersey.

This sounds very much like a BMX jersey. LIVEDRUNK is BMX-curious, but
still pretty sure it's dirty.

So, you know, go for it,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <1191742396.632234.4570@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.co m>,
Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >> In that case a baggy t-shirt with extra material sewn onto the back to
> > >> make pockets is more LiveDrunk in it's appeal.
> >
> > >There's a fine line between LIVEDRUNK (please respect the
> > >capitalization; intercaps are the devil) and DUI Rider.
> >
> > It is a bold and unmistakable line - did your license get suspended before
> > or
> > after you started bar hopping on a bike. If you got pulled for riding while
> > intoxicated you're not only LIVEDRUNK you get oakleaf clusters on your
> > jersey.
>
> I uh... I never had a drivers' license.
>
> But I've gotten so drunk that I was sent home from the bar in a taxi
> with my bicycle in the trunk of the car.
>
> -M

LIVEDRUNK wristband award.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos