Advice Needed: Want Urban Flat Bar Bike with Disc Brakes for 6'6" Rider

[Fitz]

Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??

Thanks!

Patrick

[jim beam]

Jambo wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:d9idncof5_0HQJvanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>
> Yeah, you'd rather spend your money on hookers, right beamboy?
>
>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
>> stiffness - a good thing.
>
> Bull****. "Torsional stiffness"? Let's see your calculations, beamboy.
>
>> the reason i like the nashbar is that the tube is /huge/ for steel. i
>> don't know anything else out that with steel tube that large.
>
> And so show us by calculation how much this "huge" steel tube is an
> advantage.

jeepers, ed. buy a math book and do your own freakin' work!!! this is
high school! tube torsion!

****ing moron.

[landotter]

On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>

At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.

[Chalo]

Fitz wrote:
> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??

Assuming you have a respectable weight to match your height, and that
you don't want to shovel out an unnecessarily large amount of money
for the bike, I have a suggestion that has worked well for me (6'8",
345#).

22" Redline Monocog 29er frame ($189 at jensonusa.com)
BMX bars in a stem with a 4-bolt faceplate, shims as necessary
7, 8, or 14 speed gearhub with drum or disc brake
Tubular chromoly BMX cranks
29 x 2.0" or fatter slicks

The big Monocog 29er isn't particularly tall at the seat tube, just
19" center-to-center. But it's over 25" in the top tube, so you won't
need a huge long stem to get yourself enough room. The tradeoff is
that you'll need a long seatpost extension, so get a strong post;
Thomson makes the strongest one I've found.

Depending on how high you want the bars, you can use a BMX bar with
between 4" and 8" of rise, and by tilting you can fine tune the reach
from seat to bars. For less rise, just use a higher stem and MTB
riser bars.

The single-speed rear fork ends on the Monocog are just the ticket for
a gearhub, and a dishless gearhub wheel holds up better than a dished
cassette wheel under a big guy.

Chalo

[Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com]

On Oct 2, 4:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>
> Thanks!
>
> Patrick

Waterford custom -14 series..and then built to order with flat bars
and discs. Richard made a frame for that giant Chinese basketball
player, Yao Ming(?), so I think he could manage for somebody that's
almost a foot shorter. Don't expect any maker of stock bicycles to
have something so specialized and large.

[jim beam]

landotter wrote:
> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>
>
> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>
better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!

[Chalo]

jim beam wrote:
>
> landotter wrote:
> >
> > Fitz wrote:
> >> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> >> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> >> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> >> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>
> > At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
> > bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> > them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>
> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!

Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
position.

Chalo

[Fitz]

On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> > On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> >> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> >> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> >> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>
> > At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
> > bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> > them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>
> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!

Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm

and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks,

Patrick

[smokeystrodtman@gmail.com]

On Oct 3, 8:43 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 4:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> > know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> > Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> > now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Patrick
>
> Waterford custom -14 series..and then built to order with flat bars
> and discs. Richard made a frame for that giant Chinese basketball
> player, Yao Ming(?), so I think he could manage for somebody that's
> almost a foot shorter. Don't expect any maker of stock bicycles to
> have something so specialized and large.

" Richard made a frame for that giant Chinese basketball
player, Yao Ming(?),"

Wow! What is he, like 7'6"? Wonder how tall the head tube on that bike
was?

Smokey

[jim beam]

Chalo wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> landotter wrote:
>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>
> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
> position.
>
> Chalo
>

well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any problem
with shortness of the top tube.

[jim beam]

Fitz wrote:
> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> landotter wrote:
>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>
> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>
> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>
> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>
> What are your thoughts?


my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
steel tube that large.

[landotter]

On Oct 3, 7:50 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > landotter wrote:
> > > On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
> > >> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
> > >> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
> > >> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>
> > > At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
> > > bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> > > them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>
> > better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>
> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>
> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>
> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>
> What are your thoughts?

Well, first off, I think it's pretty smart to buy a bike to harvest
parts from as the aggregate cost of buying individual components on
the market adds up fast. I also think the price of that harvest bike
is pretty phenomenal, considering the spec. You'll still need to dial
in the wheels, considering your size. I find that factory wheels
almost always need a 1/4-1/2 turn + destressing (spoke seating). If
those are cupncone Formula hubs--adjust the bearings immediately and
even add a bit of grease first thing, as they come from the factory
very poorly adjusted.

My apprehension is with the Surly. Looking at it on paper, it still
seems rather small with a 61.5 top tube and 56cm seat tube. It *is* a
mtb, and my brain only does road sizing, so get some more opinions
before you get the frame. Donor bike, however, looks to be a
spectacular value.

You might make it work with a really long and strong Thompson seat
post and a stem extender. That would be slightly kludgey, but strong.
I use a stem extender on one of my bikes, and it's solid as a rock.

Do also check things like Craigslist for a bike--I see very large
frames on mine from time to time. It wouldn't hurt to put a wanted ad
out.

[Peter Cole]

jim beam wrote:
> Fitz wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> landotter wrote:
>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>
>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>>
>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>>
>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>
>
> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
> diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
> stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
> tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
> steel tube that large.

I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.

[Jambo]

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:d9idncUf5_0_QJvanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...

> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame.

You're thick as well, what's that got to do with it?

> i've never noticed any problem with shortness of the top tube.

Nah, you wouldn't, would you?

[Peter Cole]

jim beam wrote:
> Chalo wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> landotter wrote:
>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame (selling
>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>
>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>> position.
>>
>> Chalo
>>
>
> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any problem
> with shortness of the top tube.

Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get away
with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes from 15-23"
in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over that range. You can
tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a point, but a long front
center is usually a better way to go.

[jim beam]

Peter Cole wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>
>>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
>>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>>> position.
>>>
>>> Chalo
>>>
>>
>> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any
>> problem with shortness of the top tube.
>
> Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get away
> with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes from 15-23"
> in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over that range. You can
> tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a point, but a long front
> center is usually a better way to go.

translation: "you're not even prepared to spring $50 to try it, but you
have an opinion anyway." brilliant peter cole logic.

[jim beam]

Peter Cole wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Fitz wrote:
>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that you
>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy? Marin
>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then buy a
>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>>>
>>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>>>
>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts?
>>
>>
>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
>> diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
>> stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
>> tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
>> steel tube that large.
>
> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.

yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right? they ride great.
and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
differences between on bike and another, just because you want to argue
the toss, remember this "tank" statement...

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

"jim beam" wrote:
> Jambo wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:d9idncof5_0HQJvanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>>
>> Yeah, you'd rather spend your money on hookers, right beamboy?
>>
>>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve
>>> torsional stiffness - a good thing.
>>
>> Bull****. "Torsional stiffness"? Let's see your calculations, beamboy.
>>
>>> the reason i like the nashbar is that the tube is /huge/ for steel.
>>> i don't know anything else out that with steel tube that large.
>>
>> And so show us by calculation how much this "huge" steel tube is an
>> advantage.
>
> jeepers, ed. buy a math book and do your own freakin' work!!! this is
> high school! tube torsion!...

Not a public high school in the US? I was not introduced to the works of
Stephen Timoshenko [1] until the second year of college.

[1] One wonders if a young Jobst Brandt attended any of Timoshenko's
classes while he was at Stanford?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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[Jambo]

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:na2dnXBEY4sdGpranZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Jambo wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:d9idncof5_0HQJvanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>>
>> Yeah, you'd rather spend your money on hookers, right beamboy?
>>
>>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
>>> stiffness - a good thing.
>>
>> Bull****. "Torsional stiffness"? Let's see your calculations, beamboy.
>>
>>> the reason i like the nashbar is that the tube is /huge/ for steel. i
>>> don't know anything else out that with steel tube that large.
>>
>> And so show us by calculation how much this "huge" steel tube is an
>> advantage.
>
> jeepers, ed. buy a math book and do your own freakin' work!!! this is
> high school! tube torsion!

Translation: "I don't know what the **** I'm talking about, so you show
me". Excellent.

> ****ing moron.

Dumbass lying fraud.
>

[Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman]

"jim beam" wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>
>>>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
>>>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>>>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>>>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>> Chalo
>>>>
>>>
>>> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any
>>> problem with shortness of the top tube.
>>
>> Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get
>> away with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes from
>> 15-23" in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over that range.
>> You can tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a point, but a
>> long front center is usually a better way to go.
>
> translation: "you're not even prepared to spring $50 to try it, but you
> have an opinion anyway." brilliant peter cole logic.

I imagine that Peter Cole and Chalo Colina have fit issues that relative
midgets like the OP and "jim beam" do not.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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[Peter Cole]

jim beam wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>
>>>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
>>>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>>>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>>>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>> Chalo
>>>>
>>>
>>> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any
>>> problem with shortness of the top tube.
>>
>> Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get
>> away with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes from
>> 15-23" in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over that range.
>> You can tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a point, but a
>> long front center is usually a better way to go.
>
> translation: "you're not even prepared to spring $50 to try it, but you
> have an opinion anyway." brilliant peter cole logic.

I can read a geometry chart. That's why they publish them, so you don't
have to try every frame.

[Peter Cole]

jim beam wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
>>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>>>>
>>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
>>> diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
>>> stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
>>> tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
>>> steel tube that large.
>>
>> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
>
> yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?

No, my wife does.

> they ride great.

That's what I tell her.

> and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
> differences between on bike and another, just because you want to argue
> the toss, remember this "tank" statement...

"6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.

[jim beam]

Peter Cole wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description
>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
>>>>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>>>>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>>>>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>>>>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chalo
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any
>>>> problem with shortness of the top tube.
>>>
>>> Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get
>>> away with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes
>>> from 15-23" in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over that
>>> range. You can tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a point,
>>> but a long front center is usually a better way to go.
>>
>> translation: "you're not even prepared to spring $50 to try it, but
>> you have an opinion anyway." brilliant peter cole logic.
>
> I can read a geometry chart. That's why they publish them, so you don't
> have to try every frame.

translation: "i still haven't tried it, but i want to express an opinion
anyway and will clutch at straws to do so."

thank you for another useful and enlightening contribution peter.

[jim beam]

Peter Cole wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description
>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
>>>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>>>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve
>>>> torsional stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar
>>>> is that the tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else
>>>> out that with steel tube that large.
>>>
>>> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
>>
>> yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?
>
> No, my wife does.
>
>> they ride great.
>
> That's what I tell her.
>
>> and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
>> differences between on bike and another, just because you want to
>> argue the toss, remember this "tank" statement...
>
> "6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.

and they ride great. that opinion is based on the fact that /i/ have
one and have /actually/ ridden it.

do you have /any/ experience-based "engineering" opinions you'd like to
share? how are your experiments with cfrp coming along? had any
shatter like glass yet?

[Michael Press]

In article
<OpqdnU6zcKbHJZranZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d@comcast.com>,
Peter Cole <peter_cole@comcast.net> wrote:

> jim beam wrote:
> > Peter Cole wrote:
> >> jim beam wrote:
> >>> Fitz wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>> landotter wrote:
> >>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
> >>>>>>> Marin
> >>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
> >>>>>>> (selling
> >>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
> >>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
> >>>>>> buy a
> >>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> >>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
> >>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
> >>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
> >>>>
> >>>> What are your thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
> >>> diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
> >>> stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
> >>> tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
> >>> steel tube that large.
> >>
> >> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
> >
> > yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?
>
> No, my wife does.
>
> > they ride great.
>
> That's what I tell her.
>
> > and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
> > differences between on bike and another, just because you want to argue
> > the toss, remember this "tank" statement...
>
> "6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.

I have a 21.5 in (545 mm) modern Columbus steel sport
frame and fork that weigh just under 6 pound (2700
gram). I was not trying for light, but did not know it
is heavy.

--
Michael Press

[Peter Cole]

jim beam wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description
>>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>>>>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve
>>>>> torsional stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar
>>>>> is that the tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else
>>>>> out that with steel tube that large.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
>>>
>>> yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?
>>
>> No, my wife does.
>>
>>> they ride great.
>>
>> That's what I tell her.
>>
>>> and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
>>> differences between on bike and another, just because you want to
>>> argue the toss, remember this "tank" statement...
>>
>> "6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.
>
> and they ride great. that opinion is based on the fact that /i/ have
> one and have /actually/ ridden it.

And that makes it not heavy?

[Peter Cole]

jim beam wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description
>>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
>>>>>>>>> Marin
>>>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
>>>>>>>> buy a
>>>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but there
>>>>>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>>>>>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>>>>>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chalo
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any
>>>>> problem with shortness of the top tube.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get
>>>> away with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes
>>>> from 15-23" in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over that
>>>> range. You can tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a
>>>> point, but a long front center is usually a better way to go.
>>>
>>> translation: "you're not even prepared to spring $50 to try it, but
>>> you have an opinion anyway." brilliant peter cole logic.
>>
>> I can read a geometry chart. That's why they publish them, so you
>> don't have to try every frame.
>
> translation: "i still haven't tried it, but i want to express an opinion
> anyway and will clutch at straws to do so."

I don't order pants too short, either. I trust that the makers can use a
ruler.

[jim beam]

Peter Cole wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description
>>>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad
>>>>>>>>>> Boy? Marin
>>>>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey,
>>>>>>>>> then buy a
>>>>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com
>>>>>>> until you
>>>>>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>>>>>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve
>>>>>> torsional stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar
>>>>>> is that the tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else
>>>>>> out that with steel tube that large.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
>>>>
>>>> yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?
>>>
>>> No, my wife does.
>>>
>>>> they ride great.
>>>
>>> That's what I tell her.
>>>
>>>> and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
>>>> differences between on bike and another, just because you want to
>>>> argue the toss, remember this "tank" statement...
>>>
>>> "6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.
>>
>> and they ride great. that opinion is based on the fact that /i/ have
>> one and have /actually/ ridden it.
>
> And that makes it not heavy?

well, it apparently makes it "a tank". and your word is worth /so/ much
in the informed opinion department!

now, when's the last time you were bleating about the "insignificant"
differences in weight between a carbon frame and a steel frame... oh,
wait, google keeps returning this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

[jim beam]

Peter Cole wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description
>>>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad
>>>>>>>>>> Boy? Marin
>>>>>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
>>>>>>>>>> (selling
>>>>>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
>>>>>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey,
>>>>>>>>> then buy a
>>>>>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
>>>>>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
>>>>>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are a great value, and they come in a 23" frame size, but
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is a problem with them for a tall person like the OP. They are very
>>>>>>> short in the top tube-- the tall ones are, anyway-- and it would be
>>>>>>> difficult to get a good fit for anything but a very upright rider
>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chalo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, i'm tall and i /love/ this frame. i've never noticed any
>>>>>> problem with shortness of the top tube.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on proportions. If a tall person is long-legged, he may get
>>>>> away with a short toptube. I can't. The cheapo Nashbar frame goes
>>>>> from 15-23" in seattube, but only goes up 1.75" in toptube over
>>>>> that range. You can tweak the cockpit size with a long stem up to a
>>>>> point, but a long front center is usually a better way to go.
>>>>
>>>> translation: "you're not even prepared to spring $50 to try it, but
>>>> you have an opinion anyway." brilliant peter cole logic.
>>>
>>> I can read a geometry chart. That's why they publish them, so you
>>> don't have to try every frame.
>>
>> translation: "i still haven't tried it, but i want to express an
>> opinion anyway and will clutch at straws to do so."
>
> I don't order pants too short, either. I trust that the makers can use a
> ruler.

damn, you /really/ do clutch at straws!

[Chalo]

On Oct 6, 3:48 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <OpqdnU6zcKbHJZranZ2dnUVZ_vDin...@comcast.com>,
> Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > jim beam wrote:
> > > Peter Cole wrote:
> > >> jim beam wrote:
> > >>> Fitz wrote:
> > >>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> landotter wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that
> > >>>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
> > >>>>>>> Marin
> > >>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
> > >>>>>>> (selling
> > >>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
> > >>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
> > >>>>>> buy a
> > >>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> > >>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
> > >>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
>
> > >>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
> > >>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
>
> > >>>>http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
>
> > >>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
>
> > >>>> What are your thoughts?
>
> > >>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
> > >>> diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
> > >>> stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
> > >>> tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
> > >>> steel tube that large.
>
> > >> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
>
> > > yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?
>
> > No, my wife does.
>
> > > they ride great.
>
> > That's what I tell her.
>
> > > and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
> > > differences between on bike and another, just because you want to argue
> > > the toss, remember this "tank" statement...
>
> > "6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.
>
> I have a 21.5 in (545 mm) modern Columbus steel sport
> frame and fork that weigh just under 6 pound (2700
> gram). I was not trying for light, but did not know it
> is heavy.

The Nashbar frame weight does not include the fork. Nashbar's
recommended fork for that frame weighs 3.1 pounds by itself. So your
"just under 6 pounds" compares to 9.3 pounds for the Nashbar frameset
in a medium size.

The Nashbar frame and fork weights make them seem like a good idea for
my heavy-duty use, but the short front triangle means that I'd have to
use cowhorn bars or something else with a lot of forward reach.

Chalo

[Michael Press]

In article
<1191706986.352478.283060@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.c om>,
Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 6, 3:48 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <OpqdnU6zcKbHJZranZ2dnUVZ_vDin...@comcast.com>,
> > Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > jim beam wrote:
> > > > Peter Cole wrote:
> > > >> jim beam wrote:
> > > >>> Fitz wrote:
> > > >>>> On Oct 2, 9:15 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>> landotter wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Oct 2, 5:36 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Please share with me any bikes matching my above description that
> > > >>>>>>> you
> > > >>>>>>> know of or that may be coming out in '08. Cannondale Bad Boy?
> > > >>>>>>> Marin
> > > >>>>>>> Novato? How 'bout building up a Fetish Cycles Position frame
> > > >>>>>>> (selling
> > > >>>>>>> now for only $149.00)? Surly Karate Monkey??
> > > >>>>>> At your towering height, I'd grab an x-large Karate Monkey, then
> > > >>>>>> buy a
> > > >>>>>> bike with the components I needed form bikedirect or similar, swap
> > > >>>>>> them over, and flog the carcass on craigslist.
> > > >>>>> better yet, one of those $50 steel frames from nashbar!
> >
> > > >>>> Thanks for your message. I'd never heard of bikesdirect.com until you
> > > >>>> mentioned it. I am going to take your advice and buy this:
> >
> > > >>>>http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom29_08.htm
> >
> > > >>>> and then install most of the components on a Surly KM frame.
> >
> > > >>>> What are your thoughts?
> >
> > > >>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame. bigger
> > > >>> diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
> > > >>> stiffness - a good thing. the reason i like the nashbar is that the
> > > >>> tube is /huge/ for steel. i don't know anything else out that with
> > > >>> steel tube that large.
> >
> > > >> I'm not a weight-weenie, but those things are tanks.
> >
> > > > yeah, you know that because you've ridden one, right?
> >
> > > No, my wife does.
> >
> > > > they ride great.
> >
> > > That's what I tell her.
> >
> > > > and the next time you bleat about the "insignificant" weight
> > > > differences between on bike and another, just because you want to argue
> > > > the toss, remember this "tank" statement...
> >
> > > "6.2lb, in 19" per web site. They're heavy.
> >
> > I have a 21.5 in (545 mm) modern Columbus steel sport
> > frame and fork that weigh just under 6 pound (2700
> > gram). I was not trying for light, but did not know it
> > is heavy.
>
> The Nashbar frame weight does not include the fork. Nashbar's
> recommended fork for that frame weighs 3.1 pounds by itself. So your
> "just under 6 pounds" compares to 9.3 pounds for the Nashbar frameset
> in a medium size.
>
> The Nashbar frame and fork weights make them seem like a good idea for
> my heavy-duty use, but the short front triangle means that I'd have to
> use cowhorn bars or something else with a lot of forward reach.

Dang! Bitten again by the `fork optional' weight quote.
I will figure it out one day.

--
Michael Press

[Fitz]

I just bought a Cannondale Bad Boy Ultra. Thanks for the help!

[jim beam]

Jambo wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:na2dnXBEY4sdGpranZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Jambo wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:d9idncof5_0HQJvanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>>> my thoughts are that it's a waste of money - on the km frame.
>>> Yeah, you'd rather spend your money on hookers, right beamboy?
>>>
>>>> bigger diameter tubes on aluminum frames significantly improve torsional
>>>> stiffness - a good thing.
>>> Bull****. "Torsional stiffness"? Let's see your calculations, beamboy.
>>>
>>>> the reason i like the nashbar is that the tube is /huge/ for steel. i
>>>> don't know anything else out that with steel tube that large.
>>> And so show us by calculation how much this "huge" steel tube is an
>>> advantage.
>> jeepers, ed. buy a math book and do your own freakin' work!!! this is
>> high school! tube torsion!
>
> Translation: "I don't know what the **** I'm talking about, so you show
> me". Excellent.
>
>> ****ing moron.
>
> Dumbass lying fraud.
>
>
buy a math book, ed. ****ing moron.