OT: Report: Marion Jones admits steroid use

[Jason Spaceman]

From the article:
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Marion Jones admitted using steroids before the 2000 Olympics in a
recent letter to close family and friends, The Washington Post
reported Thursday.

Jones, a triple gold medallist in Sydney, said she took ''the clear''
for two years, beginning in 1999, and that she got it from former
coach Trevor Graham, the newspaper reported. Graham told her it was
flaxseed oil.

''The clear'' is a performance-enhancing drug linked to BALCO, the lab
at the centre of the steroids scandal in professional sports.

Until now, Jones had steadfastly denied she ever took any kind of
performance-enhancing drugs.

Jones is scheduled to appear in U.S. Southern District Court on Friday
to plead guilty to charges in connection with her steroid use, a
federal law enforcement source told The Associated Press. The official
spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing,
and would not provide specific details about the plea.
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Read it at http://tsn.ca/headlines/news_story/?ID=219887









J. Spaceman

[Davey Crockett]

* Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> a écrit profondement:
|

| Jones, a triple gold medallist in Sydney, said she took ''the clear''
| for two years, beginning in 1999, and that she got it from former
| coach Trevor Graham, the newspaper reported. Graham told her it was
| flaxseed oil.
|

Incredulous

That's as bad as the priest who told the nun his dink was Gabriel's
Horn so that she'd blow it a couple of times a week...............

--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply

[Caroline]

She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing drugs by
a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see one of these
athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who gave them the
drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed oil or vitamins.

Caroline

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> Marion Jones admitted using steroids before the 2000 Olympics in a
> recent letter to close family and friends, The Washington Post
> reported Thursday.

We're pretty screwed up here on rbr if you think that's off-topic. That's
far more on-topic than any post here dealing with politics, and those aren't
usually labeled OT.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:ah1bg39cg85vfi93jt2sr6m9uqeidur7bc@4ax.com...
> From the article:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Marion Jones admitted using steroids before the 2000 Olympics in a
> recent letter to close family and friends, The Washington Post
> reported Thursday.
>
> Jones, a triple gold medallist in Sydney, said she took ''the clear''
> for two years, beginning in 1999, and that she got it from former
> coach Trevor Graham, the newspaper reported. Graham told her it was
> flaxseed oil.
>
> ''The clear'' is a performance-enhancing drug linked to BALCO, the lab
> at the centre of the steroids scandal in professional sports.
>
> Until now, Jones had steadfastly denied she ever took any kind of
> performance-enhancing drugs.
>
> Jones is scheduled to appear in U.S. Southern District Court on Friday
> to plead guilty to charges in connection with her steroid use, a
> federal law enforcement source told The Associated Press. The official
> spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing,
> and would not provide specific details about the plea.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Read it at http://tsn.ca/headlines/news_story/?ID=219887
>
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> J. Spaceman

[MagillaGorilla]

Caroline wrote:
> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing drugs by
> a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see one of these
> athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who gave them the
> drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed oil or vitamins.
>
> Caroline
>
>


Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was just
"flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe. But
why would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a needle
and syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally if in
fact she actually thought it was just that?

Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.

Magilla

[Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com]

On Oct 4, 7:10 pm, "Caroline" <notr...@askforone.com> wrote:
> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing drugs by
> a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see one of these
> athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who gave them the
> drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed oil or vitamins.
>
> Caroline

'duped'? Right...she thought it was early menopause that gave her
acne, a big jaw and other weird changes to her..some flaxseed oil...

[Howard Kveck]

In article <kcgNi.38389$RX.5808@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> > Marion Jones admitted using steroids before the 2000 Olympics in a
> > recent letter to close family and friends, The Washington Post
> > reported Thursday.
>
> We're pretty screwed up here on rbr if you think that's off-topic. That's
> far more on-topic than any post here dealing with politics, and those aren't
> usually labeled OT.

Well, pretty frequently those threads don't start out off-topic - they drift into
it.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Davey Crockett]

* MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> a écrit profondement:
|
| Caroline wrote:
| > She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing
| > drugs by a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to
| > see one of these athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the
| > person who gave them the drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff
| > like flax seed oil or vitamins.
| >
| > Caroline
| >
| >
|
|
| Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was
| just "flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe.
| But why would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a
| needle and syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally
| if in fact she actually thought it was just that?
|
| Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.

They better file that one with the Tales of thr Holocaust

--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply

[Fred Fredburger]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Caroline wrote:
>> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing
>> drugs by a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see
>> one of these athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who
>> gave them the drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed
>> oil or vitamins.
>>
>> Caroline
>>
>
>
> Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was just
> "flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe. But
> why would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a needle
> and syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally if in
> fact she actually thought it was just that?
>
> Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.

You're probably right.

What she's admitted to is steroids, not EPO. So the needle and syringe
may not have been necessary. I still doubt that she was duped.

[Caroline]

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fe47gs$6pq$1@aioe.org...
> Caroline wrote:
>> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing drugs
>> by a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see one of
>> these athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who gave them
>> the drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed oil or
>> vitamins.
>>
>> Caroline
>
>
> Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was just
> "flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe. But why
> would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a needle and
> syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally if in fact she
> actually thought it was just that?
>
> Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.
>
> Magilla


Highly possible. Maybe even probable. But if I were stupid enough to use
performance enhancing drugs and my personal financial well being depended on
mainting my innocence, I'd damn sure file a suit against somebody for
"duping" me.

However... I have known women cyclists in the past (two of them) who were
given performance enhancing drugs by their coach. When they realized what
it was, they dropped off the team and went for whatever sponsorship they
could scrape together on their own in order to keep competing on a reality
based "how good am I?" basis.

Caroline

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Oct 5, 12:18 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:

> They better file that one with the Tales of thr Holocaust

IMHO it fits better with Bill Clinton's "I never inhaled".

Category: "****ty question deserves".

--D-y

[Donald Munro]

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> I still doubt that she was duped.

He/she hasn't posted for quite a while.

[Steven Bornfeld]

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> Caroline wrote:
>>> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing
>>> drugs by a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see
>>> one of these athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person
>>> who gave them the drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax
>>> seed oil or vitamins.
>>>
>>> Caroline
>>>
>>
>>
>> Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was
>> just "flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe.
>> But why would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a
>> needle and syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally
>> if in fact she actually thought it was just that?
>>
>> Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.
>
> You're probably right.
>
> What she's admitted to is steroids, not EPO. So the needle and syringe
> may not have been necessary. I still doubt that she was duped.


The version I heard is that her coach gave her "The Clear".

Steve

[Ewoud Dronkert]

Caroline wrote:
> However... I have known women cyclists in the past (two of them) who were
> given performance enhancing drugs by their coach. When they realized what
> it was, they dropped off the team and went for whatever sponsorship they
> could scrape together on their own in order to keep competing on a reality
> based "how good am I?" basis.

Good for them. Not so good for everyone else, living or experiencing
the continued omerta. Or did they also report the coach or publicly
name+shame him?


--
E. Dronkert

[MagillaGorilla]

Caroline wrote:

> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fe47gs$6pq$1@aioe.org...
>
>>Caroline wrote:
>>
>>>She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing drugs
>>>by a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see one of
>>>these athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who gave them
>>>the drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed oil or
>>>vitamins.
>>>
>>>Caroline
>>
>>
>>Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was just
>>"flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe. But why
>>would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a needle and
>>syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally if in fact she
>>actually thought it was just that?
>>
>>Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
>
> Highly possible. Maybe even probable. But if I were stupid enough to use
> performance enhancing drugs and my personal financial well being depended on
> mainting my innocence, I'd damn sure file a suit against somebody for
> "duping" me.
>
> However... I have known women cyclists in the past (two of them) who were
> given performance enhancing drugs by their coach. When they realized what
> it was, they dropped off the team and went for whatever sponsorship they
> could scrape together on their own in order to keep competing on a reality
> based "how good am I?" basis.
>
> Caroline


Marion Jones was doped to the gills throughout her career. She took
steroids, HgH, and EPO. Victor Conte confirmed he witnessed her inject
HgH right in front of him.

I think it's safe to say that Marion Jones simply stole her excuse of
taking "flaxseed oil" from Barry Bonds. You don't need to receive
flaxseed oil from your coach in a syringe and inject it if in fact
that's what you think it was. You'd just go to the store, buy a bottle
of it, and pour it in your pasta.

That would be like saying, "I thought I was just injecting orange juice
I got from my coach." Marion obviously hasn't really thought through
this lie much.

As for your friends who were supposedly being unwittingly doped by their
coach, how do they know it was in fact an illegal substance? It could
have been their coach was simply giving them "extract of cortisone."


Magilla Strock

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <8qacg3td2df4oaipk5s0aatt860f623l7k@4ax.com>,
Ewoud Dronkert <firstname@lastname.net.invalid> wrote:

> Caroline wrote:
> > However... I have known women cyclists in the past (two of them) who were
> > given performance enhancing drugs by their coach. When they realized what
> > it was, they dropped off the team and went for whatever sponsorship they
> > could scrape together on their own in order to keep competing on a reality
> > based "how good am I?" basis.
>
> Good for them. Not so good for everyone else, living or experiencing
> the continued omerta. Or did they also report the coach or publicly
> name+shame him?

Probably because under current WADA insanity rules, the default would be
that the riders got a year or so of anti-doping vacation from racing.
I'm sure they wouldn't get the default two-year suspension, since that
would count as cooperation. But responsible for everything that goes
into them...

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

[Caroline]

"Ewoud Dronkert" <firstname@lastname.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:8qacg3td2df4oaipk5s0aatt860f623l7k@4ax.com...
> Caroline wrote:
>> However... I have known women cyclists in the past (two of them) who
>> were
>> given performance enhancing drugs by their coach. When they realized
>> what
>> it was, they dropped off the team and went for whatever sponsorship they
>> could scrape together on their own in order to keep competing on a
>> reality
>> based "how good am I?" basis.
>
> Good for them. Not so good for everyone else, living or experiencing
> the continued omerta. Or did they also report the coach or publicly
> name+shame him?
>
> --
> E. Dronkert


One of them was a U.S. cyclist, and I don't have much memory of her making a
big wild thing out of it, but I suspect she was very effective at telling
people quietly about it. She certainly impressed me. The other was a
cyclist from Mexico, and her coach conning her with the drugs was an
important part of the factors that led her to come to the U.S. in search of
better coaching. Haven't kept up, but I hope she's not disappointed. There
was a strong sense of "How dare he!" about the coaches who gave them the
performance boosters from both of them, and of resentment at someone who
felt he could give them drugs simply to improve his reputation as a coach
through their enhanced performance. The Mexican cyclist was also incensed
that many performance enhancing drugs are known to have an impact on the
athlete later in life. She was concerned about that, but I don't think she
was on whatever drug it was long enough to maximize the long term impact.
But I certainly empathized with her anger.

Caroline

[Tom Kunich]

"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in
message news:1191586987.129111.25880@22g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Oct 4, 7:10 pm, "Caroline" <notr...@askforone.com> wrote:
>> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing drugs
>> by
>> a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see one of these
>> athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person who gave them the
>> drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax seed oil or vitamins.
>>
>> Caroline
>
> 'duped'? Right...she thought it was early menopause that gave her
> acne, a big jaw and other weird changes to her..some flaxseed oil...

Peter - you don't really think that athletes don't ascribe that to their
increasing performance do you? If they don't know they're taking dope they
believe that the changes are from their training or else natural.

I had acne until I was 20 and then I had something that looked like acne all
over my neck until some guy told me to stop shaving for two weeks. That
allowed the ingrown beard to grow out and all of the swelling went down.
After that I could shave normally again.

What size is a "normal" jaw? And women athletes training at the Olympic
level often stop having their periods because that's what happens when their
body fat falls below 7% or so.

An "innocent" athlete who is taking drugs without knowing what they are
could easily overlook all of the telltale signs or natural occurrences.

Not, mind you, that I think that there are many innocent athletes who don't
know they're taking drugs.

[Scott]

On Oct 5, 7:21 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Fred Fredburger wrote:
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >> Caroline wrote:
> >>> She's not the first who was duped into taking performance enhancing
> >>> drugs by a coach or trainer the athlete trusted. I would love to see
> >>> one of these athletes turn around a sue the hell out of the person
> >>> who gave them the drugs, claiming they were innocent stuff like flax
> >>> seed oil or vitamins.
>
> >>> Caroline
>
> >> Here's the problem with Marion Jones' claim that she thought it was
> >> just "flaxseed oil:" you must inject EPO with a needle and syringe.
> >> But why would Marion Jones think she should inject flaxseed oil via a
> >> needle and syringe - why wouldn't she just take oil or vitamins orally
> >> if in fact she actually thought it was just that?
>
> >> Obviously, Marion Jones is still lying to people.
>
> > You're probably right.
>
> > What she's admitted to is steroids, not EPO. So the needle and syringe
> > may not have been necessary. I still doubt that she was duped.
>
> The version I heard is that her coach gave her "The Clear".
>
> Steve- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Her husband gave her "the cream"

[Bob Schwartz]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Marion Jones was doped to the gills throughout her career.

Monkey boy, I'm really glad you're here. You are easily
the most informative poster around. I never would have
figured this out if you hadn't tipped me off.

Will I see you at the velodrome one of these days?

Bob Schwartz

[Howard Kveck]

In article <fe5p8c$tbq$1@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> Marion Jones was doped to the gills throughout her career.

That isn't quite accurate. When she was 15-16, she was one of the fastest women in
the country. At that time, I'd speculate, she was showing her natural talent. After
is a very different matter (though it'd be hard to pinpoint when she started using).

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> Marion Jones was doped to the gills throughout her career.
>
>
> Monkey boy, I'm really glad you're here. You are easily
> the most informative poster around. I never would have
> figured this out if you hadn't tipped me off.
>
> Will I see you at the velodrome one of these days?
>
> Bob Schwartz


Yes, you can find me at the velodrome out in Carson, Cauliflowerinia.
I'll be the one who goes slower around the banked turns.

Magilla