Looking for a "Brooks" like saddle [Archive]

Tim McTeague

01-03-1970, 04:28 PM

I just sent back a Selle An-Atomica as it did not work for me. While it did
feel fairly comfortable right away the rear "wings" would push into my
thighs on every stroke and I could feel the slot regardless of saddle
tension. More tension made the back half feel better but the slot edges
killed me. Less tension eased the slot discomfort but flattened out the
rear making it too wide. The company founder was helpful at first with
setup suggestions but turned a bit pissy when I wanted to return it under
their 30 day return policy. Lots of people love them though but lots like
the Specialized Toupe and that felt like a razor blade to me.

Tim McTeague

Sir Thomas of Cannondale

01-03-1970, 04:28 PM

"DanRH" <danhertlein@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nKCdnXJ5l9BcBZTanZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
> anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
> swear by these custom saddles.
>
> Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>
> Thanks
==================================>>>>>

I have used a Brooks saddle off and on for years. I admit; I love the
"look".
But,,, honestly, the new softer, anatomic saddles are more comfortable.
There are the riders who will tell everyone that after the Brooks is broken
in ,,, blah blah blah.

By the time the Brooks is broken in, my back/ass/crotch/.. and all connected
parts are ruined.

landotter

01-03-1970, 04:28 PM

On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
> > anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
> > swear by these custom saddles.
>
> > Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>
> > Thanks
>
> www.selleanatomica.com
>
> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.

Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!

landotter

01-03-1970, 04:28 PM

Pat

01-03-1970, 04:30 PM

>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>
>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>
> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!

Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it is
the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
months before I finally gave up on it. The selleanatomica saddle was
instantly comfortable and has remained so. They took the good parts of the
Brooks design and made it better. So, you should stick with what you
know---and you don't know anything about riding the selleanatomica. Oh--and
it didn't cost that much, either.

>

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 04:30 PM

On Oct 8, 6:48 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
> > > anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
> > > swear by these custom saddles.
>
> > > Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> >www.selleanatomica.com
>
> > Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>
> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!

The current American appetite for over-hyped. over-priced BS is
amazing, isn't it?

David L. Johnson

01-03-1970, 04:30 PM

landotter wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
>>> anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
>>> swear by these custom saddles.
>>> Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>> Thanks
>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>
>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>
> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>
Especially when marketed by a company (Rivendell) that considers itself
somehow above all the hype and marketing over substance.

BTW, that looks like a truly nasty saddle. If the wrong thing gets in
there, it'd pinch something fierce.

--

David L. Johnson

Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!

Roger Zoul

01-03-1970, 04:30 PM

"Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote in message
news:5murdeFfb7ujU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>>
>>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>>
>> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>
> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it is
> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
> months before I finally gave up on it. The selleanatomica saddle was
> instantly comfortable and has remained so. They took the good parts of the
> Brooks design and made it better. So, you should stick with what you
> know---and you don't know anything about riding the selleanatomica.
> Oh--and it didn't cost that much, either.
>

I've had a brooks b17 for 3 years now...no problems breaking it in and I see
no reason for that hole in the middle of the selleanatomica...I'm not sure
if I want my vitals bits hanging through that slot! Ouch! :)

landotter

01-03-1970, 04:30 PM

On Oct 8, 8:55 am, "Pat" <P...@starrynight.com> wrote:
> >>www.selleanatomica.com
>
> >> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>
> > Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>
> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it is
> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
> months before I finally gave up on it.

A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.

Tom Keats

01-03-1970, 04:30 PM

In article <1191853763.066447.313160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups. com>,
Ozark Bicycle <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> writes:
> On Oct 8, 6:48 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>>
>> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> > On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
>> > > anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
>> > > swear by these custom saddles.
>>
>> > > Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>
>> > > Thanks
>>
>> >www.selleanatomica.com
>>
>> > Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>>
>> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>
> The current American appetite for over-hyped. over-priced BS is
> amazing, isn't it?

That's why infomercials exist. And MS Windows
in its various incarnations.

Personally I'd feel somewhat awkward, buying a
[slotted] saddle from a place called Team Estrogen.
I guess I'm not so liberated after all. OTOH,
I might like to meet their sales staff. Especially
if some of 'em are pixie-ish

The saddles I find most comfortable for me are
the ones that came with '70s Bike Boom bikes.
Cross-hatch-tufted black pleather, flat w/ neither
cantle nor other convex contours, and just adequately
enough nose. Acquiring one with the chromed coil
springs in the back is a bonus. ArmorAll those
beauties and they come up sparkling.

So many saddle profferings these days are too rounded.
There are not enough flat saddles available. I bet the
Brooks people get enamoured with their saddles, not
because they're leather, but because they're flat.
But you don't have to pay top dollar for a durable,
nice, flat saddle.

Modern saddles are overly contoured.
They're overly engineered.
Plain ol' flat is good.

cheers,
Tom

There are two basic female body types: coltish
and pixieish. There's also Nubile, but that's
more-or-less a stretched-out variation on coltish.
I luv 'em all, anyways.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

zeldabee

01-03-1970, 04:31 PM

"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote in message
> news:5murdeFfb7ujU1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >>> www.selleanatomica.com
> >>>
> >>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
> >>
> >> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
> >
> > Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
> > is the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for
> > about 9 months before I finally gave up on it. The selleanatomica
> > saddle was instantly comfortable and has remained so. [...]
> >
>
> I've had a brooks b17 for 3 years now...no problems breaking it in and I
> see no reason for that hole in the middle of the selleanatomica...I'm not
> sure if I want my vitals bits hanging through that slot! Ouch! :)

Ooooh, yeah. That looks painful, even without having to factor in dangly
bits.

My B17 required no breaking in, and has been the most comfortable saddle
I've ever had (5-6 years now). Positioning is important with it, though.
The exact right tilt is critical. (Possibly TMI but after having had a baby
I had to adjust the tilt on mine ever so slightly.)

--
z e l d a b e e @ g m a i l . c o m

Gooserider

01-03-1970, 04:31 PM

"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13gkiic2v697hdc@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote in message
> news:5murdeFfb7ujU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>>>
>>>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>>>
>>> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>>
>> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
>> is the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for
>> about 9 months before I finally gave up on it. The selleanatomica saddle
>> was instantly comfortable and has remained so. They took the good parts
>> of the Brooks design and made it better. So, you should stick with what
>> you know---and you don't know anything about riding the selleanatomica.
>> Oh--and it didn't cost that much, either.
>>
>
> I've had a brooks b17 for 3 years now...no problems breaking it in and I
> see no reason for that hole in the middle of the selleanatomica...I'm not
> sure if I want my vitals bits hanging through that slot! Ouch! :)
>
>

My Brooks B17s were comfortable right out of the box. They were a bit smooth
at first but that's not a big deal. I have heard that Brooks Professional is
thicker leather and has a longer break in period, but I haven't tried a Pro.

A Brooks will last for tens of decades, given proper care. I have my doubts
the An-Atomica will. The slot in the middle has to affect structural
integrity.

Pat

01-03-1970, 04:31 PM

>>
>> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
>> is
>> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
>> months before I finally gave up on it.
>
> A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.

Do NOT assume that your experience is the norm. When I was having so dang
much trouble breaking this thing in, I started doing a google search and
found out that many, many people have problems with Brooks saddles. That is
why, if you start a Brooks thread, half of the people writing in will tell
you they hate the things!

P.s. Want to buy a little used Brooks B-17?

Pat in TX
>

David Reuteler

01-03-1970, 04:31 PM

On 2007-10-08 09:29:38 -0600, landotter <landotter@gmail.com> said:

> On Oct 8, 8:55 am, "Pat" <P...@starrynight.com> wrote:
>>>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>
>>>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>>
>>> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>>
>> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it is
>> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
>> months before I finally gave up on it.
>
> A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.

ha.. i'm gonna ignore that.

i've got one of each.. a brooks and a selle anatomica. it's a pretty
nice saddle,
actually. the best thing about it is the waterproofing (they really
seemed to have
nailed that).

but it's pretty different than the brooks.. i had to adjust the tension
right out of the
box to dial it in (whereas on a brooks you basically don't touch that).
it was super
comfy right away in a way that no new brooks has ever been for me. that said,
i'm a little afraid that the reason for that has a lot to do with the
stretchiness of the
leather which may not bode well for its longevity. there was literally
no break in
and it truly is amazingly comfortable.

the price point is $155, which is on par w/ a brooks of the same range and the
workmanship is similiar -- a swallow it is not, but a team pro perhaps.
it's not
more expensive than a brooks, that's for sure.
--
david reuteler
dmr_usenet@lupercalia.org
http://david.reuteler.org

Roger Zoul

01-03-1970, 04:32 PM

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b0eef.0k2.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>
> Personally I'd feel somewhat awkward, buying a
> [slotted] saddle from a place called Team Estrogen.

After your bits have been hangin through that slot for a while, estrogen
will be your best option.

Tom Keats

01-03-1970, 04:32 PM

In article <13gl3rpbavkb22a@news.supernews.com>,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8b0eef.0k2.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>
>> Personally I'd feel somewhat awkward, buying a
>> [slotted] saddle from a place called Team Estrogen.
>
> After your bits have been hangin through that slot for a while, estrogen
> will be your best option.

I like estrogen. As long as it's in somebody
endearably else.

I think dairy products are a good thing, too.

Speaking of which, y'know what I sorely miss?
The plain ol' Dixie Cup[tm]. They haven't been
available here for years. I dunno if they're
still available Stateside.

A paper cup of the hardest vanilla ice cream in
the world, plus a flat, stubby, wooden spoon.
Heaven.

A Dixie Cup and a bottle of the soft drink of your
choice at the time, and you'd have the best float
in the world. mmm ... a cream soda float, and
memories of sharing it with Annette Schuster
(G-d bless her.) Good ol' days. In my childhood
years she was the best squirtgun sniper on the block.
She could also moon-rocket a softball like Reggie Jackson.
She could spike a volleyball with a fist of fury. And
she inculcated in me an appreciation of roller skating.
And she was great to ride bike with.

It's funny, how a stoopid little thing like a
Dixie Cup can be so meaningful & poignant.

Anyways I guess by now you're wondering where I'm
going with all this nostalgia, and how I'm gonna
segue this into an on-topic thing about bicycles.
So, here goes:

I had an idyllic childhood in East Vancouver, during
the '50s and early '60s. And I lived atop what was
then an imposing hill to bomb down on a homemade
skateboard, but is now a trivial hump. Annette Schuster
with her lace-on, clay-wheeled roller skates clobbered
me every time, bombing down E 21st Ave from Maxwell St
to Fleming St. I tried to introduce her to stilts, but
for some reason she was reluctant.

I guess I already posted about the time me 'n Davie
Rosemeyer tried to push his older sister's Morris
Mini Minor around the block.

Many of my neighbours were post-war refugees from
Europe, and the Ukraine and Sasquatchewan. They
brought with them their "takes" on cycling, and
I learned from them.

And that's my scene. When people at work ask me
about my ancestry, I tell them: "I'm Vancouver
East End-ish". Because that is what I am, and
all I know. And I ride bike because that's part
of my culture. Sometimes people insist that's
not valid enough. They figure I /must/ somehow
be connected with some identifiable Old World roots.

Well, Vancouver East-End is pretty much all I know.
Especially Cedar Cottage. It's not resplendent with
cycling facilities, but sometimes it's a good place
to be in. The rain there is beautiful. Along E 22nd
St is a row of Eastern Maple trees. They were planted
there by a Great War vet who wanted to commemorate his
lost & blown-up buddies. I still recall my amused thrills
at seeing their seed-pods helicoptering down to the ground
while I was walking or biking to school.

You've gotta be what you are, not what your predecessors were.

I could sure go for some kapusta right now.
And a big garlic pickle.

I sure hope nobody ever gets blown-up again.
There's already been more than enough of that razmatazz.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Pat

01-03-1970, 04:32 PM

>> Personally I'd feel somewhat awkward, buying a
>> [slotted] saddle from a place called Team Estrogen.
>
> After your bits have been hangin through that slot for a while, estrogen
> will be your best option.
>
What, you ride naked, now?

Roger Zoul

01-03-1970, 04:33 PM

"Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote >

> P.s. Want to buy a little used Brooks B-17?

Perhaps...

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 04:33 PM

On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, "Pat" <P...@starrynight.com> wrote:
> >> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
> >> is
> >> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
> >> months before I finally gave up on it.
>
> > A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.
>
> Do NOT assume that your experience is the norm. When I was having so dang
> much trouble breaking this thing in, I started doing a google search and
> found out that many, many people have problems with Brooks saddles. That is
> why, if you start a Brooks thread, half of the people writing in will tell
> you they hate the things!

IMO, the point being made was that if the thing ain't comfy in 50-100
miles, it ain't ever gonna be comfy. IOW, it's just not right for
*you*.
>
> P.s. Want to buy a little used Brooks B-17?

Post it on one of the Riv groupie sites, they'll snap it up.
>

Gooserider

01-03-1970, 04:33 PM

"Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote in message
news:5mvp11Ffkom8U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>>
>>> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
>>> is
>>> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about
>>> 9
>>> months before I finally gave up on it.
>>
>> A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.
>
> Do NOT assume that your experience is the norm. When I was having so dang
> much trouble breaking this thing in, I started doing a google search and
> found out that many, many people have problems with Brooks saddles. That
> is why, if you start a Brooks thread, half of the people writing in will
> tell you they hate the things!
>
> P.s. Want to buy a little used Brooks B-17?
>
> Pat in TX
>>
>

Are they for everybody? No, nothing is. But I think that a lot of the people
who complain about Brooks probably don't have their saddles adjusted
properly.

Roger Zoul

01-03-1970, 04:33 PM

"Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote in message
news:5mvp2sFfcfhmU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> Personally I'd feel somewhat awkward, buying a
>>> [slotted] saddle from a place called Team Estrogen.
>>
>> After your bits have been hangin through that slot for a while, estrogen
>> will be your best option.
>>
> What, you ride naked, now?

haha.

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 04:34 PM

On Oct 8, 7:46 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu>
wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>> This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
> >>> anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
> >>> swear by these custom saddles.
> >>> Anyone know what I'm talking about?
> >>> Thanks
> >>www.selleanatomica.com
>
> >> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>
> > Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>
> Especially when marketed by a company (Rivendell) that considers itself
> somehow above all the hype and marketing over substance.

IMO, that's all in the past; nowadays Riv is just as much "hype and
market" as anyone else....just with a bit of folksy flavored snake oil
instead of high tech double-talk.

>
> BTW, that looks like a truly nasty saddle. If the wrong thing gets in
> there, it'd pinch something fierce.
>

Tom Keats

01-03-1970, 04:34 PM

In article <0MCdncwnEKX8UpfanZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@ptd.net>,
"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> writes:
> landotter wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
>>>> anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
>>>> swear by these custom saddles.
>>>> Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>>> Thanks
>>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>>
>>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>>
>> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>>
> Especially when marketed by a company (Rivendell) that considers itself
> somehow above all the hype and marketing over substance.
>
> BTW, that looks like a truly nasty saddle. If the wrong thing gets in
> there, it'd pinch something fierce.

I believe if there were more simple, /flat/ saddles
available, it'd save a lot of people a lot of grief.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

landotter

01-03-1970, 04:34 PM

On Oct 8, 8:03 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 5:24 pm, "Pat" <P...@starrynight.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
> > >> is
> > >> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
> > >> months before I finally gave up on it.
>
> > > A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.
>
> > Do NOT assume that your experience is the norm. When I was having so dang
> > much trouble breaking this thing in, I started doing a google search and
> > found out that many, many people have problems with Brooks saddles. That is
> > why, if you start a Brooks thread, half of the people writing in will tell
> > you they hate the things!
>
> IMO, the point being made was that if the thing ain't comfy in 50-100
> miles, it ain't ever gonna be comfy. IOW, it's just not right for
> *you*

KLAXON!

AAAAOOOOOOGAAAAAHHH!

I find B-17s fine out of the box, perfect within an hour, and
gradually becoming wretched before six months--no matter how carefully
treated or retensioned.

Point is that I'm no loyalist to any saddle, though I was a bit
defensive about Brooks up until a few years ago--as I was like,
"something that good looking must have merit", which is utter horse
****. Again, if the ****ing thing isn't comfy within an hour or two--
don't be an idiot and keep banging your nuts proudly against an
anvil.

I'd rather ride one of those stock Velos that come with everything
these days--because I'd rather sit on vinyl than copper, and though I
prefer a hard saddle, I don't like one that keeps me sliding forward
like a Brooks, killing my hands--even if I raise the front like an
obscene erection. At least with something like a stock Velo--I can get
out of the saddle every few minutes to avoid CP syndrome--and not
obsess about whether or not I put the right kind of camel urine on the
bottom of the leather. I can ride it knowing that it's a ****ty
cheap saddle, but shaped OK, just a bit soft--instead of pretending
to like something because it was made by a man named Nigel.

landotter

01-03-1970, 04:34 PM

On Oct 8, 8:07 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 7:46 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > landotter wrote:
> > > On Oct 7, 9:55 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > >> On Oct 7, 9:42 pm, "DanRH" <danhertl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >>> This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but made it
> > >>> anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long distance riders
> > >>> swear by these custom saddles.
> > >>> Anyone know what I'm talking about?
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>www.selleanatomica.com
>
> > >> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>
> > > Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>
> > Especially when marketed by a company (Rivendell) that considers itself
> > somehow above all the hype and marketing over substance.
>
> IMO, that's all in the past; nowadays Riv is just as much "hype and
> market" as anyone else....just with a bit of folksy flavored snake oil
> instead of high tech double-talk.

Grant's become the Marjoe of the cycling world.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fSdI8ag1k0A

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to testify about 650b"

>
>
>
> > BTW, that looks like a truly nasty saddle. If the wrong thing gets in
> > there, it'd pinch something fierce.

ball chain clasp

Tom Keats

01-03-1970, 04:35 PM

In article <2007100820110516807-dmrusenet@lupercaliaorg>,
David Reuteler <dmr_usenet@lupercalia.org> writes:
> On 2007-10-08 09:29:38 -0600, landotter <landotter@gmail.com> said:
>
>> On Oct 8, 8:55 am, "Pat" <P...@starrynight.com> wrote:
>>>>> www.selleanatomica.com
>>>
>>>>> Lotsa hype + high prices.......should be a big hit in today's market.
>>>
>>>> Structural integrity and good design thrown out the window, only $199!
>>>
>>> Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it is
>>> the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about 9
>>> months before I finally gave up on it.
>>
>> A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.
>
> ha.. i'm gonna ignore that.
>
> i've got one of each.. a brooks and a selle anatomica. it's a pretty
> nice saddle,
> actually. the best thing about it is the waterproofing (they really
> seemed to have
> nailed that).
>
> but it's pretty different than the brooks.. i had to adjust the tension
> right out of the
> box to dial it in (whereas on a brooks you basically don't touch that).
> it was super
> comfy right away in a way that no new brooks has ever been for me. that said,
> i'm a little afraid that the reason for that has a lot to do with the
> stretchiness of the
> leather which may not bode well for its longevity. there was literally
> no break in
> and it truly is amazingly comfortable.
>
> the price point is $155, which is on par w/ a brooks of the same range and the
> workmanship is similiar -- a swallow it is not, but a team pro perhaps.
> it's not
> more expensive than a brooks, that's for sure.

Hi, David. It's good to see you again.
Whatcha been up to?

cheers,
Tom

--
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I'm really at:
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David Reuteler

01-03-1970, 04:36 PM

On 2007-10-08 23:13:10 -0600, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) said:
> Hi, David. It's good to see you again.
> Whatcha been up to?

webservices, coding.. java, lots of work. but fun. the last few years
have been
pretty good.

still biking .. my car no longer starts, it's essentially abandoned.
poor car. it had
always been good to me. it deserved better.

i'll probably have to get laid off again to get in another long tour,
all i've managed
recently was a long weekend around missoula a few weeks back. i'd very much
like to get laid off again (are we in another bubble yet?).

last summer was the high point biking-wise, tho. i tried to do a
double century
and got as far as 180 (http://tinyurl.com/yuny9y) before calling it quits, an
interesting experience to say the least. lots of logistical issues i'd
never thought
of.

like my ipod's battery ran out.

same for the garmin.

then it got dark.

and it was only may. i peaked in may. that was probably the weirdest
part of all.
so for the rest of the summer i just took it easy.

it was kind of enjoyable that way, actually.

a good summer.
--
david reuteler
dmr_usenet@lupercalia.org

Roger Zoul

01-03-1970, 04:43 PM

Sir Thomas of Cannondale wrote:
:: "DanRH" <danhertlein@comcast.net> wrote in message
:: news:nKCdnXJ5l9BcBZTanZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
::: This saddle was created by a guy who used the Brooks design but
::: made it anatomically. Actually, that may be in the name. Some long
::: distance riders swear by these custom saddles.
:::
::: Anyone know what I'm talking about?
:::
::: Thanks
:: ==================================>>>>>
::
:: I have used a Brooks saddle off and on for years. I admit; I love
:: the "look".
:: But,,, honestly, the new softer, anatomic saddles are more
:: comfortable. There are the riders who will tell everyone that after
:: the Brooks is broken in ,,, blah blah blah.
::
:: By the time the Brooks is broken in, my back/ass/crotch/.. and all
:: connected parts are ruined.

It seems that the moral here is that there is no perfect saddle...as there
is no perfect back/ass/crotch. Hence, one must find what works for h/im/er.

Stephen Harding

01-03-1970, 06:02 PM

Gooserider wrote:
> "Pat" <Pat@starrynight.com> wrote in message
> news:5mvp11Ffkom8U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>>>Well, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong! I have this saddle and it
>>>>is
>>>>the best one I've seen. I have tried to break in a Brooks B17 for about
>>>>9
>>>>months before I finally gave up on it.
>>>
>>>A Brooks takes less than 50 miles to break in.
>>
>>Do NOT assume that your experience is the norm. When I was having so dang
>>much trouble breaking this thing in, I started doing a google search and
>>found out that many, many people have problems with Brooks saddles. That
>>is why, if you start a Brooks thread, half of the people writing in will
>>tell you they hate the things!
>>
>>P.s. Want to buy a little used Brooks B-17?
>>
>>Pat in TX
>>
>
> Are they for everybody? No, nothing is. But I think that a lot of the people
> who complain about Brooks probably don't have their saddles adjusted
> properly.

I have four Brooks on my four bikes: 1 B-17, 1 B-17 Champion and 2
Champion Flyers (with the springs; B-66??). I like them all.

I noted that the two B-17s were very comfortable right out of the
box and really required no break in. However the two Champion Flyers
took a while to get real comfy; not that they were unusable at any
time. Just not like the B-17s.

I noticed the Champion Flyers had very concave tops to them and I
slid around on them a bit. Seat adjustment didn't seem to really
help. Too far forward and one slid back; too far back and one slid
forward; too nose high, backwards; too nose down, forward.

Finally decided to do the dreaded saddle tension adjustment. I hear
over and over that one does not dare tamper with that nose bolt lest
one destroy the saddle.

I don't think I believe this any more. I first tightened up my oldest
B-17 after 10 years when it developed a pronounced sag, probably from
using too much proofide too often. I carefully tightened the bolt
to tension up the saddle and removed the sag. That was a couple years
ago and it's going strong still.

So I decided to do the same to the new Champion Flyer with the concave
top. Tightened it up a bit. Rode it a bit. Tightened it a bit, rode
a bit. Eventually, the sag was much reduced and the saddle quite
comfortable.

The new Champion Flyer purchased this year immediately got the tension
bolt treatment. Cranked that bolt out a good 1/2 to 3/4 inch from the
get go. No problems.

Take a look at the length of the adjuster bolt next time you see a
Brooks. It's quite long! I no longer believe the Brooks tensioner
is something essentially to be ignored. If your saddle top sags to
the point of riding annoyance or discomfort, consider the tension bolt
on the saddle nose. I suspect it was always meant to be fully utilized.

Either that or Brooks has seriously over-built the saddle tensioner
system using a bolt that is a couple or more inches long rather than
one that only need be mere millimeters!

SMH