Let's go to war

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Jobst Brandt

[Bill Sornson]

Bill Sornson wrote:

> Why did you berate someone for posting a RIDE REPORT here and not in
> rb-rides? (I'm still waiting for the link to show you merely
> "suggested" they "add" rb-rides, rather than posting the rude rebuke
> I recall.)

Ta da (hope this works):
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/4748fbfda93915e/cd347af3ab41c5d7?lnk=gst&q=ride+report#cd347af3ab41c5d7

Luigi posted a ride report. You deleted it, and then asked, "where's the
ride report" and told him it BELONGS in wreck rides.

Where does your political crap belong?!?

[Art Harris]

Bill Sornson wrote:
> BTW, all this political stuff is OK, right?

It's interesting that while you claim to dislike OT posts, about 3/4
of the replies in this thread are from you.

Art Harris

[neil0502@yahoo.com]

On Oct 16, 3:13 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> Art Harris wrote:
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> BTW, all this political stuff is OK, right?
>
> > It's interesting that while you claim to dislike OT posts, about 3/4
> > of the replies in this thread are from you.
>
> Ahem. THAT'S THE POINT.

It is?

> Periodically Jobst will post (without even having
> the consideration to denote it "OT") blatantly political blogspit, and NO
> ONE DARES SAY A WORD. So my response is (has been) to post a whole bunch of
> political links as replies.
>
> I say "has been" because I'm fed up with his hypocrisy

Don't worry. Yours is far more compelling and endearing.

>(flaming others for
> OT posts like RIDE REPORTS) and cowardice (refusal to answer simple, direct
> questions like "what has this to do with cycling?") and have plonked him.
>
> In the future, if no one replies to his political posts (as was mostly the
> case with these recent few), I won't even see them and so won't respond with
> opposing links.
>
> BTW, if a conservative repeatedly posted political material (introduced as
> new threads) I'd ask him or her to knock it off, too. JB does this on a
> fairly regular basis, and no one seems to care. I guess it's just typical
> "free speech...for liberals only".
>
> HTH

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:47:28 -0700 in rec.bicycles.misc, "Bill
Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote:

> BTW, all this political stuff is OK, right? After all, no one (present co.
> excepted) has asked Jobst to stop posting it; and one guy even thanked him
> for it!)
>
no, it's OFF TOPIC. PLONK.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Oct 12, 8:24 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&...
>
> Jobst Brandt


You forgot the "OT" in the subject line.

[Bill Sornson]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22732

[Bill Sornson]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22725

[Bill Sornson]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22710

[RBrickston]

In article <47101e5d$0$14130$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>
> Jobst Brandt
>

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 +10dB
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TROLL-O-METER

[Bill Sornson]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"Asked after his remarks what strategy he favored, General Sanchez ticked
off a series of steps - from promoting
reconciliation among Iraq's warring sectarian factions to building effective
Iraqi army and police units - that closely paralleled the list of tasks
frequently cited by the Bush administration."

Thanks for posting that! LOL

[Sir Thomas of Cannondale]

If Bush, et all had followed my international strategy none of this madness
would have happened.

First and foremost: only invade countries occupied by women who you would
have sex with.

Therefore,, Thialand would be my first country to take over when I become
president.

No country in the middle east would even get in my top 100. In fact, I
would rename the middle east
Ugly East. Oh, and that includes Israel. I do not want to be prejudice.
Jewish women are sometimes attractive
but then they open their mouths. So.. Israel is off my invasion list.

After taking over Thialand,, Australia .. I would take over Australia.

Then,, marching to a disco beat :: Sweden, Norway, Finland.

Time to get in the boats... off to Brazil.

When you really think about it, most countries with beautiful women are
happy countries.

Look at a map of the problem places in the world. Iran, Iraq, etc... ugly
women.

One exception; Indonesia. Since it is made up of islands,,, I would only
take over the "good" island.

India? Who wants it? Can you say U G L Y.

Big Headline in the NY Times :: "President Horney invades Quebec".

Anyone who has bicycled there knows why I am leading the troops to Montreal.

So many lands to invade, so little time.

===========================






> Jobst Brandt

[Bill Sornson]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

This has as much to do with cycling (more, actually):

Oldie, but pertinentie...

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Fw: The Ant and the Grasshopper


This started going around about 2 or 3 elections ago.
Is this a great country or what?

The Ant and the Grasshopper

This is an old parable with a new message at the end.

OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer
long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and
plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

************************************************** **********


MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building
his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and
plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and
demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well
fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the
shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable
home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp
contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody
cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house
where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse
then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King
that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both
call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper
Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for
failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having
nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated
by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a
defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a
panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of
single-welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case. Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid and **** Durbin say
justice has been served.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits
of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just
happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't
maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow. The grasshopper is found dead
in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over
by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote.

Thanks, Jobst! LOL

[landotter]

On Oct 12, 9:22 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 8:24 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&...
>
> > Jobst Brandt
>
> You forgot the "OT" in the subject line.

After five years of swaggering authoritarian pointlessness, the
stench of a million dead for a dry drunk's buddies' industrial
profit--it tends to permeate everything.

Sinclair Lewis was right: "When fascism comes to America it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

R Brickston writes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 +10dB
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> TROLL-O-METER

Hear no evil, see no evil, and keep smiling. That the Iraq adventure
was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides
should not be overlooked and who is in a better position to make that
clear than leaders whose job it was to carry it out?... and what is
next? Iran?

Jobst Brandt

[Neil Brooks]

On 13 Oct 2007 14:35:00 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

>.. and what is next? Iran?

I'm just going to presume that was a rhetorical question....

[RBrickston]

In article <4710d794$0$14142$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org says...
> R Brickston writes:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
>
> > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 +10dB
> > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||
> > TROLL-O-METER
>
> Hear no evil, see no evil, and keep smiling. That the Iraq adventure
> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides
> should not be overlooked and who is in a better position to make that
> clear than leaders whose job it was to carry it out?... and what is
> next? Iran?
>
> Jobst Brandt
>

Repost your ridiculous WTC 9/11 attack conspiracy link; at least that
could be chalked up as entertainment.

[Tom Sherman]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
> ...That the Iraq adventure
> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides...

Now that we have stated the obvious (and what was easily predictable in
2002)...

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Oct 13, 9:36 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 9:22 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 12, 8:24 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/washington/12cnd-general.html?_r=1&...
>
> > > Jobst Brandt
>
> > You forgot the "OT" in the subject line.
>
> After five years of swaggering authoritarian pointlessness, the
> stench of a million dead for a dry drunk's buddies' industrial
> profit--it tends to permeate everything.
>
> Sinclair Lewis was right: "When fascism comes to America it will be
> wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

I'm opposed to the Iraq fiasco and the whole Bushco, Cheney, et al
cabal and their antics.

OTOH, Herr Docktor Brandt does berate others for off topic posts, yet
seems to feel free to post 'em himself, without so much as a courteous
"OT" warning.

[Neil Brooks]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:36:22 -0700, landotter <landotter@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Sinclair Lewis was right: "When fascism comes to America it will be
>wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Could you spell that name, please?

Good luck getting on an airplane NOW, Mr. Lewis.....

[Neil Brooks]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:51:29 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
<tomcatm@verizon.net> wrote:

>If Bush, et all had followed my international strategy none of this madness
>would have happened.
>
>First and foremost: only invade countries occupied by women who you would
>have sex with.
>
>Therefore,, Thialand would be my first country to take over when I become
>president.
>
>No country in the middle east would even get in my top 100. In fact, I
>would rename the middle east
>Ugly East. Oh, and that includes Israel. I do not want to be prejudice.
>Jewish women are sometimes attractive
>but then they open their mouths. So.. Israel is off my invasion list.
>
>After taking over Thialand,, Australia .. I would take over Australia.
>
>Then,, marching to a disco beat :: Sweden, Norway, Finland.
>
>Time to get in the boats... off to Brazil.
>
>When you really think about it, most countries with beautiful women are
>happy countries.
>
>Look at a map of the problem places in the world. Iran, Iraq, etc... ugly
>women.
>
>One exception; Indonesia. Since it is made up of islands,,, I would only
>take over the "good" island.
>
>India? Who wants it? Can you say U G L Y.

Uh .... France?? Did you overlook France???

[Sir Thomas of Cannondale]

Neil,,, France.. since you are such a good Secretary of State,, I am sending
you to France to scout out the populace.

Remember: we take over, and then it is time for L'Amour.

French women do have a smoking problem though..

And they absolutely hate Americans.

We may need to trick them.

We will tell them we are from New Jersey. Women all over the world feel
sorry for anyone from New Jersey.

It is the old Trojan Horse trick.




================================================== ==================================


"Neil Brooks" <neil0502@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sst1h31ri59kqf88d4fbb9lhaeceqtu586@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:51:29 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
> <tomcatm@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>If Bush, et all had followed my international strategy none of this
>>madness
>>would have happened.
>>
>>First and foremost: only invade countries occupied by women who you would
>>have sex with.
>>
>>Therefore,, Thialand would be my first country to take over when I become
>>president.
>>
>>No country in the middle east would even get in my top 100. In fact, I
>>would rename the middle east
>>Ugly East. Oh, and that includes Israel. I do not want to be prejudice.
>>Jewish women are sometimes attractive
>>but then they open their mouths. So.. Israel is off my invasion list.
>>
>>After taking over Thialand,, Australia .. I would take over Australia.
>>
>>Then,, marching to a disco beat :: Sweden, Norway, Finland.
>>
>>Time to get in the boats... off to Brazil.
>>
>>When you really think about it, most countries with beautiful women are
>>happy countries.
>>
>>Look at a map of the problem places in the world. Iran, Iraq, etc...
>>ugly
>>women.
>>
>>One exception; Indonesia. Since it is made up of islands,,, I would
>>only
>>take over the "good" island.
>>
>>India? Who wants it? Can you say U G L Y.
>
> Uh .... France?? Did you overlook France???

[nmp]

Neil Brooks wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:51:29 GMT, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale"
> <tomcatm@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>If Bush, et all had followed my international strategy none of this
>>madness would have happened.
>>
>>First and foremost: only invade countries occupied by women who you
>>would have sex with.
>>
>>Therefore,, Thialand would be my first country to take over when I
>>become president.
>>
>>No country in the middle east would even get in my top 100. In fact, I
>>would rename the middle east
>>Ugly East. Oh, and that includes Israel. I do not want to be
>>prejudice. Jewish women are sometimes attractive but then they open
>>their mouths. So.. Israel is off my invasion list.
>>
>>After taking over Thialand,, Australia .. I would take over Australia.
>>
>>Then,, marching to a disco beat :: Sweden, Norway, Finland.
>>
>>Time to get in the boats... off to Brazil.
>>
>>When you really think about it, most countries with beautiful women are
>>happy countries.
>>
>>Look at a map of the problem places in the world. Iran, Iraq, etc...
>>ugly women.
>>
>>One exception; Indonesia. Since it is made up of islands,,, I would
>>only take over the "good" island.
>>
>>India? Who wants it? Can you say U G L Y.
>
> Uh .... France?? Did you overlook France???

I'm even more shocked that he thinks that Iranian women are ugly.

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Neil Brooks writes:

>> Sinclair Lewis was right: "When fascism comes to America it will be
>> wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

> Could you spell that name, please?

> Good luck getting on an airplane NOW, Mr. Lewis.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis

Jobst Brandt

[neil0502@yahoo.com]

On Oct 13, 10:38 am, "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" <tomc...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Neil,,, France.. since you are such a good Secretary of State,, I am sending
> you to France to scout out the populace.

I've already left.

[oh, boy ... OH, BOY!!]

> Remember: we take over, and then it is time for L'Amour.

Louis? What's he got to do with this.

Actually, what's he got to do with anything??

> French women do have a smoking problem though..

But you agree that they ARE smokin'. Good.

> And they absolutely hate Americans.

I didn't find that. Possibly because I wore a shirt made entirely
from a giant maple leaf and spoke like a radical Quebecois
secessionist, but that's neither here nor there....

> We may need to trick them.

The French? That's almost redundant, no?

> We will tell them we are from New Jersey. Women all over the world feel
> sorry for anyone from New Jersey.

Oh, yeah. Historically, claiming to be from Jersey has REALLY gotten
people laid.

Good plan ;-)

> It is the old Trojan Horse trick.

I'm stuck on that word "Trojan."

No matter. I'll work it out....

[Bill Sornson]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
>> ...That the Iraq adventure
>> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides...
>
> Now that we have stated the obvious (and what was easily predictable
> in 2002)...

What if all the intelligence (ours, Russian, British, French, Israeli, UN)
had been correct?

BTW, Sanchez supposedly had no credibility after Abu Grahib. Suddenly now
he does?

What happened to Johnny Sunset?

So you approve of off-topic political stuff being posted to the wreck
cycling groups? Even by someone who once admonished someone for posting a
RIDE REPORT?!?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/4748fbfda93915e/cd347af3ab41c5d7?lnk=gst&q=ride+report#cd347af3ab41c5d7

Bill "just trying to keep all the bullies and hypocrites* straight" S.

*and Jobst is a liar to boot, denying he did more than "suggest" rb-rides
"in addition" to the current group to Luigi. And he's a coward for not
answering direct questions about these things.

Otherwise, nice thread! LOL

[neil0502@yahoo.com]

On Oct 13, 7:31 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
> > jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
> >> ...That the Iraq adventure
> >> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides...
>
> > Now that we have stated the obvious (and what was easily predictable
> > in 2002)...
>
> What if all the intelligence (ours, Russian, British, French, Israeli, UN)
> had been correct?

If my grandma had balls, she might have been my grandpa.

> BTW, Sanchez supposedly had no credibility after Abu Grahib. Suddenly now
> he does?
>
> What happened to Johnny Sunset?
>
> So you approve of off-topic political stuff being posted to the wreck
> cycling groups? Even by someone who once admonished someone for posting a
> RIDE REPORT?!?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/47...
>
> Bill "just trying to keep all the bullies and hypocrites* straight" S.

So far, the count of People Who Give A **** has reached ... exactly
one.

[Tom Sherman]

neil0502@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 13, 7:31 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
>>>> ...That the Iraq adventure
>>>> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides...
>>> Now that we have stated the obvious (and what was easily predictable
>>> in 2002)...
>> What if all the intelligence (ours, Russian, British, French, Israeli, UN)
>> had been correct?
>
> If my grandma had balls, she might have been my grandpa.
>
>> BTW, Sanchez supposedly had no credibility after Abu Grahib. Suddenly now
>> he does?
>>
>> What happened to Johnny Sunset?
>>
>> So you approve of off-topic political stuff being posted to the wreck
>> cycling groups? Even by someone who once admonished someone for posting a
>> RIDE REPORT?!?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/47...
>>
>> Bill "just trying to keep all the bullies and hypocrites* straight" S.
>
> So far, the count of People Who Give A **** has reached ... exactly
> one.
>
Odd, I have not kill-filed anyone, yet I am only seeing Sorni's posts
when quoted.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[landotter]

On Oct 14, 5:50 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> neil0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Oct 13, 7:31 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> >> Tom Sherman wrote:
> >>> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
> >>>> ...That the Iraq adventure
> >>>> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all sides...
> >>> Now that we have stated the obvious (and what was easily predictable
> >>> in 2002)...
> >> What if all the intelligence (ours, Russian, British, French, Israeli, UN)
> >> had been correct?
>
> > If my grandma had balls, she might have been my grandpa.
>
> >> BTW, Sanchez supposedly had no credibility after Abu Grahib. Suddenly now
> >> he does?
>
> >> What happened to Johnny Sunset?
>
> >> So you approve of off-topic political stuff being posted to the wreck
> >> cycling groups? Even by someone who once admonished someone for posting a
> >> RIDE REPORT?!?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/47...
>
> >> Bill "just trying to keep all the bullies and hypocrites* straight" S.
>
> > So far, the count of People Who Give A **** has reached ... exactly
> > one.
>
> Odd, I have not kill-filed anyone, yet I am only seeing Sorni's posts
> when quoted.

Such evidence is another example of the miracle of Jesus!

[Bill Sornson]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> neil0502@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Oct 13, 7:31 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org aka Jobst Brandt wrote:
>>>>> ...That the Iraq adventure
>>>>> was an ill conceived, unjustified loss of human lives on all
>>>>> sides...
>>>> Now that we have stated the obvious (and what was easily
>>>> predictable in 2002)...
>>> What if all the intelligence (ours, Russian, British, French,
>>> Israeli, UN) had been correct?
>>
>> If my grandma had balls, she might have been my grandpa.
>>
>>> BTW, Sanchez supposedly had no credibility after Abu Grahib. Suddenly
>>> now he does?
>>>
>>> What happened to Johnny Sunset?
>>>
>>> So you approve of off-topic political stuff being posted to the
>>> wreck cycling groups? Even by someone who once admonished someone for
>>> posting a RIDE
>>> REPORT?!?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_frm/thread/47...
>>>
>>> Bill "just trying to keep all the bullies and hypocrites* straight"
>>> S.
>>
>> So far, the count of People Who Give A **** has reached ... exactly
>> one.
>>
> Odd, I have not kill-filed anyone, yet I am only seeing Sorni's posts
> when quoted.

Hey, HWNMNBM (AKA Neil "magic flying Prus" sic{k}) is replying to my posts!
Wah! No fair! Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. (He demanded I not address him --
EVER! -- and claimed to have kill-filed me. JFTR, I kill-filed him long
ago, and wouldn't have seen this if you hadn't replied. Not surprisingly,
he's still a liar and a hypocrite.)

MoveOn, Neil, MoveOn. LOL