The "Click-Stand" - any experience with this?

[Ozark Bicycle]

Seems like an interesting idea:

http://www.click-stand.com/

Comments?

Does anyone have experience with this?

[Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®]

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
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> Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> Comments?
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>

Hmm. Interesting product. I could probably make one with an old tent pole
and a hook thingie, though...

[landotter]

On Oct 18, 6:42 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> Comments?
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?

Solid enough idea if you can't fit a good 2-legged Esge, Greenfield,
or Pletscher stand by the BB.

'Member the Rhode Gear Flickstand back in the 80s?

[A Muzi]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Seems like an interesting idea:
> http://www.click-stand.com/
> Comments?
> Does anyone have experience with this?

Woo hoo! 75 more grams!

Seriously every similar product has had its own adherents so he'll
probably find a market. We even get calls for flick stands lo these many
years later.

Almost every bike can lean on a pole or corner in the concave side of
the saddle. When backpedalled until a pedal is against the other side of
the pole/corner, a bike is stable. This is quicker than it sounds.

If one should find oneself touring across Afghanistan, the strut
referenced may be a useful recourse for a vertical pause on your ride,
assuming one is needed and neither poles nor building corners are handy.

It may interest the reader to know that in an LBS there are as many
gadget aficionados looking for 75g tchotchkes as there are manic weight
reducers willing to pay a few hundred dollars to remove 75g.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Ozark Bicycle writes:

> Seems like an interesting idea:

http://www.click-stand.com/

> Comments?

> Does anyone have experience with this?

I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.

Jobst Brandt

[David L. Johnson]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> Comments?
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
That would be where? A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no
rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?

Kickstands in general are unnecessary.

--

David L. Johnson

The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand mathematics.

[DougC]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> Comments?
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>

I've never owned one, and I think it's rather inconvenient at best.

Somebody asked about these on a bicycling forum online; a lot of people
responded and they seemed to fall into two groups: those who "never
needed a kickstand and couldn't understand why anyone would", and those
who thought it was just fantastic, because no other kickstands would
work on their loaded touring bikes.

I think that this underscores the problem that what most sensible people
want is a proper rear-mounted double kickstand--but bikes' rear dropouts
would need to be made to accommodate that, and it seems that no
external-gear bikes are now.

I wanted one on my errand/commuting bike, so I made one myself. It's not
perfect (currently doesn't extend and retract particularly easily) but
overall it works way better than anything else I could buy.
~

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Oct 18, 7:43 am, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®"
<b...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192707727.232042.96090@v29g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> >http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> > Comments?
>
> > Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> Hmm. Interesting product. I could probably make one with an old tent pole
> and a hook thingie, though...

Probably could, but the price for the product seems pretty reasonable,
so is that worth the candle?

[Leland Yee]

landotter wrote:

>
> 'Member the Rhode Gear Flickstand back in the 80s?


I have one in my obsolete parts box. Anyone need it?
Leland

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Oct 18, 9:14 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 18, 6:42 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> >http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> > Comments?
>
> > Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> Solid enough idea if you can't fit a good 2-legged Esge, Greenfield,
> or Pletscher stand by the BB.


ISTM it might be more stable than any kickstand if used with a heavily
loaded bike. Not as convienient, though.
>
> 'Member the Rhode Gear Flickstand back in the 80s?

I have a couple, including one intended for "oversized" downtubes,
which were rare then, but common now. They don't work on a fendered
bike, so not so useful for a touring bike.

[It's Chris]

'Member the Rhode Gear Flickstand back in the 80s?

I always used a small rock or the ever present folded cigarette butt I
found on the ground to hold the front brake lever squeezed, but I do
remember them.

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"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

If you want to E-mail me use:
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[Andrew Martin]

On Oct 18, 9:57 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > Seems like an interesting idea:
> >http://www.click-stand.com/
> > Comments?
> > Does anyone have experience with this?
> Almost every bike can lean on a pole or corner in the concave side of
> the saddle. When backpedalled until a pedal is against the other side of
> the pole/corner, a bike is stable. This is quicker than it sounds.

2nd vote for pole/tree/wall

[Roger Zoul]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
:: Ozark Bicycle writes:
::
::: Seems like an interesting idea:
::
:: http://www.click-stand.com/
::
::: Comments?
::
::: Does anyone have experience with this?
::
:: I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
:: wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
:: then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
:: against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
:: rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
:: the same.

I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is clearly
tilting.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Oct 18, 1:08 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle writes:
> > Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> > Comments?
> > Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
> roll backward and off the strut?


See if you can figure out what the included "brakebands" do, Baron.


> When a bicycle is leaned against a
> street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
> and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.
>
> Jobst Brandt

[Art Harris]

jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
> roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
> street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
> and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.

The photo seems to show an elastic band going around the brake lever
and handlebar (to keep the bike from rolling). Still, it doesn't look
like a very sturdy design.

http://www.click-stand.com/

Art Harris

[Matt O'Toole]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:08:40 +0000, jobst.brandt wrote:

> Ozark Bicycle writes:
>
>> Seems like an interesting idea:
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
>> Comments?
>
>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
> roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
> street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
> and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.

Looks that way to me too.

A few riders I know have a device that folds out from the downtube to hold
the front wheel steady. This by itself is great for leaning a bike
against a pole, etc. I don't know what this thing is called or where to
find it though.

Matt O.

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Roger Zoul writes:

>>> Seems like an interesting idea:

>> http://www.click-stand.com/

>>> Comments?

>>> Does anyone have experience with this?

>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
>> the same.

> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is clearly
> tilting.

The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
"flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
turning.

Jobst Brandt

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
>> roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
>> street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
>> and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.
>
> The photo seems to show an elastic band going around the brake lever
> and handlebar (to keep the bike from rolling). Still, it doesn't look
> like a very sturdy design.
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> Art Harris

That, plus in most of the photos there are two bike... and if you've got two
bikes, you can set them side-by-side, front-to-back, and position them in a
way they won't roll away from each other. My son and I do this frequently,
and sometimes people are just blown away by the idea bikes can do that.
Yeah, right, real rocket science there!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[husbandnextdoor]

On Oct 18, 2:28 pm, Art Harris <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> > I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> > wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
> > roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
> > street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
> > and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.
>
> The photo seems to show an elastic band going around the brake lever
> and handlebar (to keep the bike from rolling). Still, it doesn't look
> like a very sturdy design.
>
> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
> Art Harris

You could also put a small wood block, like a domino, under one the
front wheel to stop it.

Ken Freeman

[Tom Nakashima]

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
news:4717ace3$0$14135$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Roger Zoul writes:
>
>>>> Seems like an interesting idea:
>
>>> http://www.click-stand.com/
>
>>>> Comments?
>
>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
>>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
>>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
>>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
>>> the same.
>
>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is clearly
>> tilting.
>
> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
> "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
> turning.
>
> Jobst Brandt

My friend hand one.
It's works much like the trackstand theory, turn the front wheel ever so
slightly to balance the bike. A slight incline seemed to be a wee bit more
secure, but even so, the wind would blow....bike down.
-tom

[Roger Zoul]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
:: Roger Zoul writes:
::
::::: Seems like an interesting idea:
::
:::: http://www.click-stand.com/
::
::::: Comments?
::
::::: Does anyone have experience with this?
::
:::: I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
:::: wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
:::: then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
:::: against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
:::: rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
:::: the same.
::
::: I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
::: clearly tilting.
::
:: The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
:: naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
:: "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
:: turning.
::
:: Jobst Brandt

It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's more likely
to be the case in RL.

[A Muzi]

>> Ozark Bicycle writes:
>>> Seems like an interesting idea:
>> http://www.click-stand.com/
>>> Comments?
>>> Does anyone have experience with this?

> jobst.brandt wrote:
>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
>> roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
>> street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
>> and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.

Matt O'Toole wrote:
> Looks that way to me too.
> A few riders I know have a device that folds out from the downtube to hold
> the front wheel steady. This by itself is great for leaning a bike
> against a pole, etc. I don't know what this thing is called or where to
> find it though.

That is the 'flick stand' mentioned earlier.
Come back in 1986 and we can help!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[nmp]

Matt O'Toole wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:08:40 +0000, jobst.brandt wrote:
>
>> Ozark Bicycle writes:
>>
>>> Seems like an interesting idea:
>>
>> http://www.click-stand.com/
>>
>>> Comments?
>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>>
>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
>> roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
>> street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
>> and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.
>
> Looks that way to me too.
>
> A few riders I know have a device that folds out from the downtube to
> hold the front wheel steady. This by itself is great for leaning a bike
> against a pole, etc. I don't know what this thing is called or where to
> find it though.
>
> Matt O.

Look closely at this picture:

<http://www.transportfiets.net/foto/transportfiets_741.jpg>

Here is another solution:

<http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg>

(the last one is a Shimano part but it will only fit older bikes, NOT
Ahead systems)

I do not know what these parts are called in English, sorry.

[Mike Kruger]

Tom Nakashima wrote:
>
> My friend hand one.
> It's works much like the trackstand theory, turn the front wheel ever
> so slightly to balance the bike. A slight incline seemed to be a wee
> bit more secure, but even so, the wind would blow....bike down.

Supporting the notion that the best way to keep a touring bike from falling
over is to lay it down ;)

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Roger Zoul writes:

>>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>

http>//www.click-stand.com/

>>>>> Comments?

>>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?

>>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>>>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
>>>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
>>>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
>>>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
>>>> the same.

>>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
>>> clearly tilting.

>> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
>> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
>> "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
>> turning.

> It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's more
> likely to be the case in RL.

On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical, roll-away
presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?

Jobst Brandt

[Wayne Pein]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
> keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?
>

A Flickstand prevent the wheel from turning or rolling.

Wayne

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Oct 18, 4:10 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Roger Zoul writes:
> >>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>
>
> http>//www.click-stand.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> Comments?
> >>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
> >>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> >>>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
> >>>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
> >>>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
> >>>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
> >>>> the same.
> >>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
> >>> clearly tilting.
> >> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
> >> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
> >> "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
> >> turning.
> > It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's more
> > likely to be the case in RL.
>
> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical, roll-away
> presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
> keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?
>
> Jobst Brandt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi there.

You do not have to keep the front wheel straight to prevent rollaway
if you use either an old (or spare) toe-clip strap or a loop made from
a strip of vecro. Some times it is not practical or safe to lay the
bicycle down such as on a trail where other cyclists might run over
it.

The biggest problem I can expect with this new device is that it might
sink into soft ground like some kickstands do. Either a small scrap of
plywood or a jar lid can prevent that. I carry a small metal jar lid
on tours just to put it under my seatstay/chainstay mounted kickstand.
That with a toe-strap securing the front brake prevents any tipping or
rollaway problems. It also protects the paint and saddle by preventing
rollaway when parked against a metal pole.

Cheers from Peter

[Roger Zoul]

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
news:4717bdb9$0$14144$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Roger Zoul writes:
>
>>>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>
>
> http>//www.click-stand.com/
>
>>>>>> Comments?
>
>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
>>>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>>>>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
>>>>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
>>>>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
>>>>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
>>>>> the same.
>
>>>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
>>>> clearly tilting.
>
>>> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
>>> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
>>> "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
>>> turning.
>
>> It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's more
>> likely to be the case in RL.
>
> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical, roll-away
> presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
> keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?
>

If I had a touring rig like that, I'd use a bungee on the wheel along with
the other thing. Bungee the wheel to the downtube. Works great in my garage
and when I'm moving my bikes onto the rack on the car. Or when I travel and
I put the bike in the hotel room or inside someone's home.

[peter]

On Oct 18, 1:10 pm, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

> >>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> >>>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
> >>>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
> >>>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
> >>>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
> >>>> the same.

> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical, roll-away
> presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
> keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?

If you look at the product website you'll see that in addition to the
pole the product also includes a pair of elastic brake lever loops
which hold the brakes engaged when the bike is parked and prevent the
roll-away problem. I usually carry at least one rubberband on my
handlebars which serves this function (just one on the front brake is
sufficient). It comes in handy on BART trains to keep the bike from
moving and also when leaning the bike against a single street sign or
similar pole where roll-away can otherwise be a problem.

But IMHO, just the use of such a no-cost parking brake eliminates the
need for the 'Click-Stand' in almost all situations so I see no need
to purchase one.

[Michael Press]

In article <4717bdb9$0$14144$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

> Roger Zoul writes:
>
> >>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>
>
> http>//www.click-stand.com/
>
> >>>>> Comments?
>
> >>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> >>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
> >>>> wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and
> >>>> then roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned
> >>>> against a street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel,
> >>>> rolls back and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do
> >>>> the same.
>
> >>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
> >>> clearly tilting.
>
> >> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
> >> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have a
> >> "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
> >> turning.
>
> > It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's more
> > likely to be the case in RL.
>
> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical, roll-away
> presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
> keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?

In town I lean the bike against stuff. Roll away is
discouraged with a brake block stuck in the brake
lever that controls the front brake. Another great
trick for leaning a bicycle is to lean the rear tire
against a solid object such as a brick wall. I have
used this trick on 12" high concrete abutments and other
such structures.

--
Michael Press

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Roger Zoul writes:

>>>>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>

http>//www.click-stand.com/

>>>>>>> Comments?

>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?

>>>>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the
>>>>>> front wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is
>>>>>> leaning), and then roll backward and off the strut? When a
>>>>>> bicycle is leaned against a street sign post at the saddle, it
>>>>>> tilts the front wheel, rolls back and falls to the ground. I
>>>>>> think this usually will do the same.

>>>>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
>>>>> clearly tilting.

>>>> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
>>>> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he
>>>> have a "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front
>>>> wheel from turning.

>>> It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's
>>> more likely to be the case in RL.

>> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
>> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
>> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
>> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical,
>> roll-away presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick
>> stand" to keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?

> If I had a touring rig like that, I'd use a bungee on the wheel
> along with the other thing. Bungee the wheel to the downtube.
> Works great in my garage and when I'm moving my bikes onto the rack
> on the car. Or when I travel and I put the bike in the hotel room
> or inside someone's home.

I lean my bicycle against the touring bag:

http://tinyurl.com/dm4pp

Jobst Brandt

[Roger Zoul]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
:: Roger Zoul writes:
::
::::::::: Seems like an interesting idea>
::
:: http>//www.click-stand.com/
::
::::::::: Comments?
::
::::::::: Does anyone have experience with this?
::
:::::::: I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the
:::::::: front wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is
:::::::: leaning), and then roll backward and off the strut? When a
:::::::: bicycle is leaned against a street sign post at the saddle, it
:::::::: tilts the front wheel, rolls back and falls to the ground. I
:::::::: think this usually will do the same.
::
::::::: I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
::::::: clearly tilting.
::
:::::: The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
:::::: naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he
:::::: have a "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front
:::::: wheel from turning.
::
::::: It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's
::::: more likely to be the case in RL.
::
:::: On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
:::: problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
:::: against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
:::: bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical,
:::: roll-away presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick
:::: stand" to keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?
::
::: If I had a touring rig like that, I'd use a bungee on the wheel
::: along with the other thing. Bungee the wheel to the downtube.
::: Works great in my garage and when I'm moving my bikes onto the rack
::: on the car. Or when I travel and I put the bike in the hotel room
::: or inside someone's home.
::
:: I lean my bicycle against the touring bag:
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/dm4pp
::

You guys look as if it's really hot out there....

[Matt O'Toole]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:46:14 +0000, jobst.brandt wrote:

> Roger Zoul writes:
>
>>>>>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>
>
> http>//www.click-stand.com/
>
>>>>>>>> Comments?
>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
>>>>>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the
>>>>>>> front wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is
>>>>>>> leaning), and then roll backward and off the strut? When a
>>>>>>> bicycle is leaned against a street sign post at the saddle, it
>>>>>>> tilts the front wheel, rolls back and falls to the ground. I
>>>>>>> think this usually will do the same.
>
>>>>>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
>>>>>> clearly tilting.
>
>>>>> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
>>>>> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he have
>>>>> a "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front wheel from
>>>>> turning.
>
>>>> It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's more
>>>> likely to be the case in RL.
>
>>> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
>>> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
>>> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
>>> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical, roll-away
>>> presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick stand" to
>>> keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?
>
>> If I had a touring rig like that, I'd use a bungee on the wheel along
>> with the other thing. Bungee the wheel to the downtube. Works great in
>> my garage and when I'm moving my bikes onto the rack on the car. Or
>> when I travel and I put the bike in the hotel room or inside someone's
>> home.
>
> I lean my bicycle against the touring bag:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dm4pp

That'll work. I never have a saddle bag that big, and leaning against the
saddle scuffs it. So I lean my bike against the rear tire. A heavily
loaded touring bike might not stay put that way though.

Matt O.

[Tom Sherman]

Mike Kruger wrote:
> Tom Nakashima wrote:
>> My friend hand one.
>> It's works much like the trackstand theory, turn the front wheel ever
>> so slightly to balance the bike. A slight incline seemed to be a wee
>> bit more secure, but even so, the wind would blow....bike down.
>
> Supporting the notion that the best way to keep a touring bike from falling
> over is to lay it down ;)

butbutbut, my trike is unstable when I put it on its side!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[Leo Lichtman]

"David L. Johnson" wrote: (Clip) That would be where? A place with no
walls, no trees, no poles, and no rocks. Who would want to stop at such a
place?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I frequently ride my bike to a flea market, and then push it through the
aisles. Without a kick stand, I had to hold it, lean it on someone's table,
or lay it down. So I added a kick stand.

My two folding bikes are much easier to do and undo when I use their
kickstands.

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:12:46 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
<david.johnson@lehigh.edu> wrote:

>Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> Seems like an interesting idea:
>>
>> http://www.click-stand.com/
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>>
>They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
>That would be where? A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no
>rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?
>
>Kickstands in general are unnecessary.

Dear David,

Well, I don't use a kickstand on my bicycle, but I can see why some
people use them. Sometimes things to lean against are scarce.

It's a mile past the guard-rail to the top of the ridge:
http://i22.tinypic.com/2uzs96h.jpg

It's a mile and a half down to the river bottom:
http://i23.tinypic.com/6tic7m.jpg

One hawk, 21 antelope, some walking-stick cactus, and a barb-wire
fence about fifty feet off the highway through thick weeds:
http://i15.tinypic.com/5x3gs21.jpg

Last thing to lean against for half a mile:
http://i24.tinypic.com/353cvoh.jpg

An antelope about a hundred feet off the road. He won't lean against
the barb-wire fence--they crawl under fences instead of trying to jump
over them:
http://i24.tinypic.com/m81bvn.jpg

You don't have go to Pikes Peak in the distance to find something to
lean against, but you won't find anything to lean on down that faint
road for over a mile on your way to look at the bald eagle nests:
http://i22.tinypic.com/30t0t9e.jpg

There's a guard rail about half a mile down the road to lean on:
http://i23.tinypic.com/29y2iz5.jpg

The barb-wire fence is about fifty feet off the road through knee-high
brush. The trees are about half a mile further:
http://i21.tinypic.com/2vaxjbl.jpg

Even on the river bottom, trees are sometimes a long ways off:
http://i23.tinypic.com/2wqydmq.jpg

I suppose you could lean a bike against the tumbleweeds:
http://i20.tinypic.com/175v2w.jpg

Sometimes someone else is using the post and doesn't care to share:
http://i21.tinypic.com/awotb5.jpg

http://i21.tinypic.com/281agz4.jpg

http://i23.tinypic.com/313k5td.jpg

More antelope posing beyond distant fences:
http://i21.tinypic.com/2hxq5vl.jpg

http://i23.tinypic.com/264h01l.jpg

Deer, not antelope, posing past a distant fence:
http://i20.tinypic.com/2qx6o91.jpg

Here the fence and tree are beyond the deer:
http://i23.tinypic.com/kec2tw.jpg

Of course, things look different looking up the gullies from the river
bottom:
http://i22.tinypic.com/ddmlxf.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike. That
> would be where? A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no rocks.
> Who would want to stop at such a place?
>
> Kickstands in general are unnecessary.

Kickstands, for kids, should almost be a requirement. Don't ask me why, but
without a kickstand, kids just lay there bike down any old place, often
behind a car. Car backs out and... the only reason Mom or Dad don't kill the
kid for being so stupid is that they're relieved the kid wasn't *on* the
bike when it was run over. This happens more often than you'd think.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com.

[Roger Zoul]

David L. Johnson wrote:
:: Ozark Bicycle wrote:
::: Seems like an interesting idea:
:::
::: http://www.click-stand.com/
:::
::: Comments?
:::
::: Does anyone have experience with this?
:::
:: They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
:: That would be where? A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and
:: no rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?

You can always lean your bike on the ground, but then it look like something
to be stepped on.
I think I'll get a kickstand for my DF bike.

::
:: Kickstands in general are unnecessary.
::

I have a kickstand on my 'bent and I enjoy having it there.

[Tom Keats]

In article <CqCdnavEPuMTmYXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@ptd.net>,
"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> writes:

> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
> That would be where?

For one, a construction site which in its earliest
stages consists of an empty lot, around which a big
excavator machine impunitously trundles, save for
one spot which is devoid of places in which to lean
a bike.

> A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no
> rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?

Rural prairies folks, I guess.

> Kickstands in general are unnecessary.

They're just the ticket in urban situations where
one might opt to walk for a little bit to do some
window shopping and the need to hitch one's trousers
back up suddenly arises. They also come in handy
when berry-picking along trails.

I have a very nice kickstand, myself. It clamps onto
both chainstay & seatstay. It's much better than those
friable, aluminum, behind-the-BB Pletscher ones.
It keeps my bike upright even when stuffing a garbage bag
full of laundry into the milk crate.

Anyways, flat MTB bars ain't so good for leaning
against walls. 'Specially with a bar-mounted
mirror sticking out of the left end.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Tom Sherman]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike. That
>> would be where? A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no rocks.
>> Who would want to stop at such a place?
>>
>> Kickstands in general are unnecessary.
>
> Kickstands, for kids, should almost be a requirement. Don't ask me why, but
> without a kickstand, kids just lay there bike down any old place, often
> behind a car. Car backs out and... the only reason Mom or Dad don't kill the
> kid for being so stupid is that they're relieved the kid wasn't *on* the
> bike when it was run over. This happens more often than you'd think.

On our local MUP, there were two (2) small wooden ramps and three (3)
Razor scooters lying on the pavement. No children in sight.

I was sorely tempted to toss all the items into the brushed filled
drainage ditch, but there was the risk of a do-nothing suburbanite
observing and notifying the authorities (and I was riding a conspicuous
recumbent). Oh well, the parents would likely just replace the scooters
and not punish the little brats.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[David L. Johnson]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike. That
>> would be where? A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no rocks.
>> Who would want to stop at such a place?
>>
>> Kickstands in general are unnecessary.
>
> Kickstands, for kids, should almost be a requirement. Don't ask me why, but
> without a kickstand, kids just lay there bike down any old place, often
> behind a car. Car backs out and... the only reason Mom or Dad don't kill the
> kid for being so stupid is that they're relieved the kid wasn't *on* the
> bike when it was run over. This happens more often than you'd think.

You should remove all kickstands from kids' bikes, then, as a way to get
repeat customers.

--

David L. Johnson

The motor car reflects our standard of living and gauges the speed of
our present life. It long ago ran down Simple Living, and never halted
to inquire about the prostrate figure which fell as its victim.
-- Warren G. Harding

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Someone writes:

>>>> Seems like an interesting idea:

http://www.click-stand.com/

>>>> Comments?

>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?

>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the
>>> front wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is
>>> leaning), and then roll backward and off the strut? When a
>>> bicycle is leaned against a street sign post at the saddle, it
>>> tilts the front wheel, rolls back and falls to the ground. I
>>> think this usually will do the same.

>> Looks that way to me too.

>> A few riders I know have a device that folds out from the downtube
>> to hold the front wheel steady. This by itself is great for
>> leaning a bike against a pole, etc. I don't know what this thing
>> is called or where to find it though.

> Look closely at this picture:

http://www.transportfiets.net/foto/transportfiets_741.jpg

I take it these folks don't ride no-hands.

> Here is another solution:

http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg

> (the last one is a Shimano part but it will only fit older bikes,
> NOT Ahead systems)

> I do not know what these parts are called in English, sorry.

Hey! Look, someone has invented indexed steering just about the time
the riddence of it was designed. What an idea!

Jobst Brandt

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Roger Zoul writes:

>>>>>>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>

http>//www.click-stand.com/

>>>>>>>>> Comments?

>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?

>>>>>>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the
>>>>>>>> front wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is
>>>>>>>> leaning), and then roll backward and off the strut? When a
>>>>>>>> bicycle is leaned against a street sign post at the saddle, it
>>>>>>>> tilts the front wheel, rolls back and falls to the ground. I
>>>>>>>> think this usually will do the same.

>>>>>>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
>>>>>>> clearly tilting.

>>>>>> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
>>>>>> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he
>>>>>> have a "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front
>>>>>> wheel from turning.

>>>>> It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's
>>>>> more likely to be the case in RL.

>>>> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
>>>> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
>>>> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
>>>> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical,
>>>> roll-away presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick
>>>> stand" to keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?

>>> If I had a touring rig like that, I'd use a bungee on the wheel
>>> along with the other thing. Bungee the wheel to the downtube.
>>> Works great in my garage and when I'm moving my bikes onto the rack
>>> on the car. Or when I travel and I put the bike in the hotel room
>>> or inside someone's home.

>> I lean my bicycle against the touring bag>

http>//tinyurl.com/dm4pp


> You guys look as if it's really hot out there....

Unlike other times:

http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg

As I said, prepare for snow, any day of the year in the Alps.

Jobst Brandt

[nmp]

jobst.brandt wrote:

> Someone [?] writes:

[..]

>> Look closely at this picture:
>
> http://www.transportfiets.net/foto/transportfiets_741.jpg
>
> I take it these folks don't ride no-hands.

Perhaps not with a heavy load on the front. But otherwise it is perfectly
possible to do so, the thingie that goes from the downtube to the fork is
just a spring.

>> Here is another solution:
>
> http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg
>
>> (the last one is a Shimano part but it will only fit older bikes, NOT
>> Ahead systems)
>
>> I do not know what these parts are called in English, sorry.
>
> Hey! Look, someone has invented indexed steering just about the time
> the riddence of it was designed. What an idea!

This is not "indexed steering". It is just a ring that you twist to lock
the fork when you park your bicycle.

[Lou Holtman]

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

>
>> Here is another solution:
>
> http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg
>
>> (the last one is a Shimano part but it will only fit older bikes,
>> NOT Ahead systems)
>
>> I do not know what these parts are called in English, sorry.
>
> Hey! Look, someone has invented indexed steering just about the time
> the riddence of it was designed. What an idea!
>
> Jobst Brandt

As I can see it you have to lock it in the indexed position. Unlocked it
would be like a normal headset without the indexed positions.

Lou
--
Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)

[Roger Zoul]

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
news:471930fe$0$14134$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Roger Zoul writes:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems like an interesting idea>
>
> http>//www.click-stand.com/
>
>>>>>>>>>> Comments?
>
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
>>>>>>>>> I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the
>>>>>>>>> front wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is
>>>>>>>>> leaning), and then roll backward and off the strut? When a
>>>>>>>>> bicycle is leaned against a street sign post at the saddle, it
>>>>>>>>> tilts the front wheel, rolls back and falls to the ground. I
>>>>>>>>> think this usually will do the same.
>
>>>>>>>> I guess you didn't see the other photos where the front wheel is
>>>>>>>> clearly tilting.
>
>>>>>>> The other pictures are not on pavement where the roll-around fall
>>>>>>> naturally occurs. So how did the wheel stay straight? Did he
>>>>>>> have a "flick stand", one of those things that keeps the front
>>>>>>> wheel from turning.
>
>>>>>> It's a balancing act for the photo...the other pics show what's
>>>>>> more likely to be the case in RL.
>
>>>>> On rough ground, roll-away isn't a problem and I don't have parking
>>>>> problems there anyway because there is usually a tree or embankment
>>>>> against which to lean the bicycle. If there is none, I lay the
>>>>> bicycle down, but in town where this option is impractical,
>>>>> roll-away presents a problem. That is why someone devised a "flick
>>>>> stand" to keep the front wheel pointed straight ahead?
>
>>>> If I had a touring rig like that, I'd use a bungee on the wheel
>>>> along with the other thing. Bungee the wheel to the downtube.
>>>> Works great in my garage and when I'm moving my bikes onto the rack
>>>> on the car. Or when I travel and I put the bike in the hotel room
>>>> or inside someone's home.
>
>>> I lean my bicycle against the touring bag>
>
> http>//tinyurl.com/dm4pp
>
>
>> You guys look as if it's really hot out there....
>
> Unlike other times:
>
> http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg
>

Curious...I saw this elsewhere....cut&paste problem?

> As I said, prepare for snow, any day of the year in the Alps.
>
> Jobst Brandt

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Roger Zoul writes:

>>> You guys look as if it's really hot out there....

>> Unlike other times:

>> http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg

Make that:

http://www.paloaltobicycles.com/alps_photos/f83.html

> Curious...I saw this elsewhere....cut&paste problem?

>> As I said, prepare for snow, any day of the year in the Alps.

Jobst Brandt

[Roger Zoul]

<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
news:4719549c$0$14066$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Roger Zoul writes:
>
>>>> You guys look as if it's really hot out there....
>
>>> Unlike other times:
>
>>> http://www.fietspunt.nl/images/articles/large/367/367001.jpg
>
> Make that:
>
> http://www.paloaltobicycles.com/alps_photos/f83.html

hehe...too much sun, huh?

>
>> Curious...I saw this elsewhere....cut&paste problem?
>
>>> As I said, prepare for snow, any day of the year in the Alps.
>
> Jobst Brandt

[Leo Lichtman]

Nice pictures, Jobst--in fact, spectacular.

But let me bring this back on-topic. If you attach a small camera mount to
your bicycle, the kick stand converts it to a tripod.

I have also seen this done with a metal-frame back pack. A small ball-head
on one of the uprights, and a slender movable leg.

[Justa Lurker]

Leo Lichtman wrote:
>
> But let me bring this back on-topic. If you attach a small camera mount to
> your bicycle, the kick stand converts it to a tripod.
>

Any suggestions on where to procure, or how to construct, that sort of
mount ?

Thanks !

[Tom Sherman]

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <CqCdnavEPuMTmYXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@ptd.net>,
> "David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> writes:
>
>> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
>> That would be where?
>
> For one, a construction site which in its earliest
> stages consists of an empty lot, around which a big
> excavator machine impunitously trundles, save for
> one spot which is devoid of places in which to lean
> a bike.

No silt fence to prevent soil runoff - or is that only in the US?

>> A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no
>> rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?
>
> Rural prairies folks, I guess.

Sounds like the western Nebraska sand hills.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[Tom Keats]

In article <ffcq6f$bmt$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <CqCdnavEPuMTmYXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@ptd.net>,
>> "David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> writes:
>>
>>> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
>>> That would be where?
>>
>> For one, a construction site which in its earliest
>> stages consists of an empty lot, around which a big
>> excavator machine impunitously trundles, save for
>> one spot which is devoid of places in which to lean
>> a bike.
>
> No silt fence to prevent soil runoff - or is that only in the US?

AFAIK just Modu-Lok[tm] fencing to prevent people
from dumping their garbage in there, and maybe some
snow fencing to prevent piles of rubble & dirt from
cascading into adjacent lots. In a fully prep'd
Vancouver construction site there isn't any soil left.
Lots of dirt/clay/aluvial gravel, but no soil. Fresh
soil is added in the latter stages of construction.

>>> A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no
>>> rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?
>>
>> Rural prairies folks, I guess.
>
> Sounds like the western Nebraska sand hills.

I guess there are some desolate but at least
sparsely populated desert locales, too.

But even in the city my main bike is pretty much
unleanable, by dint of its flat MTB handlebar.
Even if I could get it to momentarily stay put,
some passerby would brush past it. That's happened
while I've had it propped solely by its kickstand.
Y'know what happens? The front wheel might get
flopped around, but the bike doesn't fall down. My
mirror just gets a little knocked out of adjustment.
The Powers-That-Be seem to like to keep me having to
readjust my mirror. Or they don't like the way I have
it adjusted, and they feel compelled to frobnicate it,
like a framed picture on the wall that doesn't quite
look level enough. I do wish Beings of all sorts could
just stop meddling, and just leave well enough alone.
Oh, well.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Leo Lichtman]

"Justa Lurker" wrote: Any suggestions on where to procure, or how to
construct, that sort of mount ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wish I could give you a quick and clean answer, but...
You need a small, light ball-head camera mount, which will be available in
camera stores. These normally attach to the tripod with a 1/4-20 thread.
Some ball mounts are available with a C-clamp attachment, which would allow
you to put it anywhere on the bike frame, and then remove it when you are
ready to ride. This type can also be attached to a fence, or gate or post,
etc.

I've forgotten the name of the manufacturer, but you can buy a very small
plastic tripod, on which the legs are flexible. This can be stood on the
ground, or on any handy surface, or attached to the bicycle frame by
wrapping the legs around a tube.

If you are a do-it-yourselfer, you could make a small angle bracket with a
1/4-20 threaded post, and attach it to the bike with a hose clamp. Or think
of a way that fits with your available tools and ability. Hope this helps.

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Oct 20, 2:14 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Justa Lurker" wrote: Any suggestions on where to procure, or how to
>
> construct, that sort of mount ?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I wish I could give you a quick and clean answer, but...
> You need a small, light ball-head camera mount, which will be available in
> camera stores. These normally attach to the tripod with a 1/4-20 thread.
> Some ball mounts are available with a C-clamp attachment, which would allow
> you to put it anywhere on the bike frame, and then remove it when you are
> ready to ride. This type can also be attached to a fence, or gate or post,
> etc.
>
> I've forgotten the name of the manufacturer, but you can buy a very small
> plastic tripod, on which the legs are flexible. This can be stood on the
> ground, or on any handy surface, or attached to the bicycle frame by
> wrapping the legs around a tube.
>
> If you are a do-it-yourselfer, you could make a small angle bracket with a
> 1/4-20 threaded post, and attach it to the bike with a hose clamp. Or think
> of a way that fits with your available tools and ability. Hope this helps.


Get an "Ultrapod II." This is a small plastic folding
tripod with a small ball head. Two of the legs fold
against the third so that when folded it has a L
cross section, like an angle iron. It has a velcro
strap like a pump strap, which you can then use to
strap the L shape onto any roundish tube.

It won't hold anything larger than a fairly small camera
very steady, but it's about the best camera support
that is inexpensive, compact, and steady enough to be
useful. Here it is at REI:

http://www.rei.com/product/411006

Ben

[Tom Sherman]

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <ffcq6f$bmt$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>> In article <CqCdnavEPuMTmYXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@ptd.net>,
>>> "David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> writes:
>>>
>>>> They say this is for when you can't find a place to lean your bike.
>>>> That would be where?
>>> For one, a construction site which in its earliest
>>> stages consists of an empty lot, around which a big
>>> excavator machine impunitously trundles, save for
>>> one spot which is devoid of places in which to lean
>>> a bike.
>> No silt fence to prevent soil runoff - or is that only in the US?
>
> AFAIK just Modu-Lok[tm] fencing to prevent people
> from dumping their garbage in there, and maybe some
> snow fencing to prevent piles of rubble & dirt from
> cascading into adjacent lots. In a fully prep'd
> Vancouver construction site there isn't any soil left.
> Lots of dirt/clay/aluvial gravel, but no soil. Fresh
> soil is added in the latter stages of construction.

Ah, the agronomist definition of soil.

I would consider soil to be anything that can be excavated without
blasting, pneumatic breakers, etc.

>>>> A place with no walls, no trees, no poles, and no
>>>> rocks. Who would want to stop at such a place?
>>> Rural prairies folks, I guess.
>> Sounds like the western Nebraska sand hills.
>
> I guess there are some desolate but at least
> sparsely populated desert locales, too.
>
> But even in the city my main bike is pretty much
> unleanable, by dint of its flat MTB handlebar.
> Even if I could get it to momentarily stay put,
> some passerby would brush past it. That's happened
> while I've had it propped solely by its kickstand.

This is why I like really narrow flat bars - no wider than my shoulders.

> Y'know what happens? The front wheel might get
> flopped around, but the bike doesn't fall down. My
> mirror just gets a little knocked out of adjustment.
> The Powers-That-Be seem to like to keep me having to
> readjust my mirror. Or they don't like the way I have
> it adjusted, and they feel compelled to frobnicate it,
> like a framed picture on the wall that doesn't quite
> look level enough. I do wish Beings of all sorts could
> just stop meddling, and just leave well enough alone.
> Oh, well.

A torpedo level is great for settling the picture hanging argument.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[A Muzi]

-snip-
Tom Sherman wrote:
> A torpedo level is great for settling the picture hanging argument.

Maybe with a man. If a man cared enough to argue it.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Keats]

In article <13hn4kllns9h809@corp.supernews.com>,
A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
> -snip-
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> A torpedo level is great for settling the picture hanging argument.
>
> Maybe with a man. If a man cared enough to argue it.

Laser levels are Da Bomb, and fun to play & frobnicate with.

But they don't solve my trivial damnation of everybody in
the world & his dog brushing past my handlebar mirror and
knocking it out of adjustment. Nothing will. It's just
something I have to live with. <shrug> I can withstand it.

A lot of people find squeezing the rubber bulb on my horn
irresistable, too.

Some folks strike matches and lingeringly stare in awe &
amazement at the flame. Those people scare me.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Zoot Katz]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:58:47 -0000, husbandnextdoor
<kenbikeman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 2:28 pm, Art Harris <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> > I don't believe the photo, there's a problem. What keeps the front
>> > wheel from flopping to the low side (the bicycle is leaning), and then
>> > roll backward and off the strut? When a bicycle is leaned against a
>> > street sign post at the saddle, it tilts the front wheel, rolls back
>> > and falls to the ground. I think this usually will do the same.
>>
>> The photo seems to show an elastic band going around the brake lever
>> and handlebar (to keep the bike from rolling). Still, it doesn't look
>> like a very sturdy design.
>>
>> http://www.click-stand.com/
>>
>> Art Harris
>
>You could also put a small wood block, like a domino, under one the
>front wheel to stop it.
>
Why not a handy rock, twig or beer can?

I've read here of someone carrying a small wedge to jam in the brake
lever to accomplish the same end.

.. . . or just grab a stir stick from the coffee shop.
--
zk

[Cathy Kearns]

"Zoot Katz" <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:gvsqh3hhs61cu6pgh4lqrq3v40ln3vn2no@4ax.com...
>>
>>You could also put a small wood block, like a domino, under one the
>>front wheel to stop it.
>>
> Why not a handy rock, twig or beer can?
>
> I've read here of someone carrying a small wedge to jam in the brake
> lever to accomplish the same end.
>
> . . . or just grab a stir stick from the coffee shop.

We tend to set our drag brake when we park the tandem.