On Oct 26, 10:22 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > 2003 to 2008..the NBDA is the child of trekspecializedgiantcannondale
> > and other big producing ala toyotanissanmazdahonda type companies.
> > They cater to only the big places with lots of inventory on the
> > floor(Time to discount that stuff, make ROOM for the 2008 models MUCH
> > improved, MUCH better..yada, yada, yada).....kinda like Sears and Mens
> > Warehouse of bikes, not Evan the tailor.
>
> Peter: You know not of what you speak. I already listed all the threads in
> the NBDA e-list a couple months back. Something like 21 threads, of which 2
> dealt with "Big 3" issues. Currently the main topic of discussion is how to
> get more dealers involved in local, national & regional advocacy, in support
> of the huge numbers of unpaid volunteers who basically allow us to stay on
> the roads. Without them, we'd be hosed. There have been so many pieces of
> bike-hostile legislation over the years that I didn't even know about, but
> the various advocacy groups (in our area, that would be Silicon Valley
> Bicycle Coalition and the SF Bicycle Coalition) knew about, got involved and
> defeated.
>
> Yes, there will always be threads involving basic business survival issues,
> of which perhaps you are immune. I'm jealous if that's the case. But aside
> from that we are seeing an active dealer base that's getting involved and
> recognizing that, if something isn't done, we're going to be growing a new
> crop of Americans suitable for planting in a field, feeding and watering,
> because opening their mouths is about the most exercise they can manage.
>
> But the NBDA is like many things in life. Think of school. Some schools are
> better than others, but somehow students can succeed regardless. It's what
> you choose to make of the resources. You can look around and say hey, I
> don't care for this or that, and leave (which you've done). Or you can find
> like-minded people who share your visions & goals and work with them. They
> *are* there; I can think of several you'd get along quite well with.
>
> I suppose it's kinda like usenet. You've heard of usenet, haven't you? This
> weird place where the noise level is often magnitudes higher than content,
> many people feel a need to SCREAM to be heard, and civility is all over the
> map. And yet some reasonable people persist in believing it's worthwhile
> posting there, despite knowing that their views aren't shared by the
> majority, but knowing that there are a few worth reaching out to.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1193402791.519148.69400@z24g2000prh.go oglegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 25, 9:09 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>http://nbda.com/page.cfm?pageID=70
>
> > it says-
> > "The level of innovation and diversity has never been higher in
> > "dealer-quality" bicycle products. The number of entrepreneurial
> > companies designing and manufacturing appealing products for the
> > public is high, both in bicycles and accessories items. There isn't
> > any part on a bicycle which hasn't been improved in the last five or
> > so years
>
> > And I wave the BS flag..much has been changed, nothing has been really
> > improved.
>
> > 2003 to 2008..the NBDA is the child of trekspecializedgiantcannondale
> > and other big producing ala toyotanissanmazdahonda type companies.
> > They cater to only the big places with lots of inventory on the
> > floor(Time to discount that stuff, make ROOM for the 2008 models MUCH
> > improved, MUCH better..yada, yada, yada).....kinda like Sears and Mens
> > Warehouse of bikes, not Evan the tailor.
Not gonna argue about this..I have no axe to grind with NBDA but was a
member and ALL the stuff that I received from them was not applicable
to me, the teeny, service oriented bike shop that didn't sell any of
the 'big lines'. I don't dislike NBDA but the statement in my first
post pretty much sums up my feelings in that 'innovation and nothing
on the bike hasn't been improved' type drivel. I guess my beef is
with the bike/parts companies, all of them, that 'design' and then
overmarket so much crap...that the NBDA seems to think so highly of..
Disc brakes on road bikes and I'm a quittin.