Re: Anyone ride through the 1st Ave tunnel by the UN?

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 6, 8:16 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> For two years I've been going by the UN, but when the UN was in
> session a few weeks ago I went through the tunnel. I rode the right
> (eastern) tube. Very fast, mostly because I was scared ****less of
> being hit from behind by a car.

I don't know why people are so afraid of that. I suspect most car-
bicyclist problems do not occur from behind, odd as it might sound....

> I keep my blinkies on and go through after the light has turned red
> behind the tunnel, hoping that there won't be any cars when I'm in
> there. Near the end it widens and then it's ok.

It's a fun ride; the key is to catch the traffic lights just so (doing
it on the weekends helps, too, particularly early morning time) and
jet downhill and use that momentum to keep pedaling. So do not
attempt unless you will ride fast, at like ~20 mph. Otherwise, what's
the point? You'll just be a speed bump for cars. =)

Unfortunately, there's a big ol' hill right outside the entrance...but
if you'd gone through the street above ("UN Way" or something), you
could jet down the small decline right before that hill (being sure,
once again, to catch the lights just so) and go up a good 85% of it
for "free"....

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 8, 12:30 pm, Eric Schweitzer <er...@somewhere.rr.com> wrote:
> On 2007-11-08, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > On 08 Nov 2007 00:53:50 GMT, Eric Schweitzer <er...@somewhere.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >>Just a data point ... I've been riding in NYC for near 30 years, and
> >>have been hit 6 times, 5 from behind (all during the day). 4 of those
> >>times while stopped at a red light. Once by a cop. (I've learned to
> >>look BEHIND while slowing for a light.)
>
> > The statistics are in. Ride at night. I think I am safer at night. I
> > have so many lights that driver slow down just to see what it is.
>
> > You're waiting at a light and got hit from behind four times? Someone
> > definitely stuck a "hit me" sign on your back.
>
> > That's another reason I never wait at lights.
>
> Both the cop and a cab driver said "but why did you stop, you're a
> bicycle". Seems expectations carry more weight than laws or common
> sense. I'm supposed to ride through heavy cross-street traffic?
> (The cop hit was on Lex at 72d, that cabbie on Third at 86th).


Wow, that's definitely one for the grand-kids!

I figured that getting hit from behind can't be as common as getting
hit from the side because drivers usually look ahead! The few times
I've gotten hit -- tapped, really -- was from the side, like drivers
trying to cut me off and such.

It's amazing we have such different experiences...I guess New York
really does have fourteen million different stories!

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 9, 6:39 pm, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>
> Err, while it may be rare----it happens. I know because I was hit from
> behind. It's a legitimate concern.


Well, thankfully it's never happened to me, not one single time in
over two decades of riding in NYC and surrounding environs in all
manner of weather, all times of day and night, all sorts of traffic
conditions, all seasons of the year (including in snow!)...I realize
that it's possible, but I just didn't think it was so probable.

Getting hit from behind is the Number One newbie fear, and I always
alleviated it in them by saying how it's never happened to me, for all
the side-swipes (taps).

I wonder what the statistics are...I'd bet that "rear-enders" are
rather less likely....

[Jeff Grippe]

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
news:4735dba5$0$8627$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:JM2dnS7ApLu-dananZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>>
>>
>> It's very interesting that you should say that again. I have joined a
>> Yahoo newsgroup where top posting is pretty much the way it is done.
>> Everyone seems to top post all the time. I don't think that they are
>> all idiots but you never can tell.
>
> Is it truly a "newsgroup" like this (Usenet) or one of many "Yahoo!
> Groups" like our local mountain biking list? Almost every member
> top-replies on that, too, because it's e-mail based for most and even the
> online version just puts the latest post at the top.
>
> The reason top-posting is stupid on a /newsgroup/ is mainly because it's
> "threaded", not individual messages.
>
> Bill "if all else fails, ask Michael Press" S.
>
Well, FWIW, I claim the to be the voice of someone who has been doing this
for a really long time. My experience with threaded conversations goes back
to the days of BBS's and modems. When I started on my first chat BBS the
best modem you could buy was 1200 baud. I actually go back to 110/300 baud
and acoustic couplers but I didn't use those for threaded conversations. As
a though experiment, however, top-posting would have been far superior on a
KSR-33.

Although the conversations were threaded, most regular readers already knew
what the previous messages were. Anyone who wanted to join the thread could
either start at the beginning or jump right in.

The rules that made sense back then (and still do to my way of thinking) is
that you would top post if your reply was a response to the entire message
that preceded it. OTOH, you would insert your text into the message if you
were responding point by point.

This message could just have easily been top-posted with no lack of clarity.
You could still follow the thread by reading what is below it or by reading
the previous message.

I would say that to top post a point by point rebuttal is not such a great
idea but otherwise, it works as well as bottom posting. My point has always
been that it isn't an all or nothing thing. Top posting isn't always evil
and bottom posting isn't always better.

Jeff

[witweew]

yea, for workout music, you basically need hard-hitting
:rolleyes:
euro-dance music.:eek:.. nothing else does the job really.

Search around on itunes for "euro club hits"

or check this link::hyper:

http://www.futurelectrohouse.com/tracks


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[dgk]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:57:51 -0800, Prisoner at War
<prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 8, 12:30 pm, Eric Schweitzer <er...@somewhere.rr.com> wrote:
>> On 2007-11-08, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 08 Nov 2007 00:53:50 GMT, Eric Schweitzer <er...@somewhere.rr.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>Just a data point ... I've been riding in NYC for near 30 years, and
>> >>have been hit 6 times, 5 from behind (all during the day). 4 of those
>> >>times while stopped at a red light. Once by a cop. (I've learned to
>> >>look BEHIND while slowing for a light.)
>>
>> > The statistics are in. Ride at night. I think I am safer at night. I
>> > have so many lights that driver slow down just to see what it is.
>>
>> > You're waiting at a light and got hit from behind four times? Someone
>> > definitely stuck a "hit me" sign on your back.
>>
>> > That's another reason I never wait at lights.
>>
>> Both the cop and a cab driver said "but why did you stop, you're a
>> bicycle". Seems expectations carry more weight than laws or common
>> sense. I'm supposed to ride through heavy cross-street traffic?
>> (The cop hit was on Lex at 72d, that cabbie on Third at 86th).
>
>
>Wow, that's definitely one for the grand-kids!
>
>I figured that getting hit from behind can't be as common as getting
>hit from the side because drivers usually look ahead! The few times
>I've gotten hit -- tapped, really -- was from the side, like drivers
>trying to cut me off and such.
>
>It's amazing we have such different experiences...I guess New York
>really does have fourteen million different stories!

Really, that's pretty funny. I guess we're really not supposed to stop
for lights.

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 9, 9:05 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>
> Really, that's pretty funny. I guess we're really not supposed to stop
> for lights.


People are just like George Bush: grasp at any straw for an excuse.
I'm not surprised even cops proffered such idiocy: I've had motorists
tell me I'm supposed to be on the sidewalk and pedestrians tell me I'm
supposed to be on the street!

**** that. I'm a bicyclist; I go where I want.

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194619182.948306.129430@v29g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
> On Nov 9, 9:05 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Really, that's pretty funny. I guess we're really not supposed to stop
>> for lights.
>
>
> People are just like George Bush: grasp at any straw for an excuse.
> I'm not surprised even cops proffered such idiocy: I've had motorists
> tell me I'm supposed to be on the sidewalk and pedestrians tell me I'm
> supposed to be on the street!
>
> **** that. I'm a bicyclist; I go where I want.

If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out of
the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as you
can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my dear
Watson!

On the other hand, if you are Bush hater like all the rest of the loony
left, then the sooner you are hit, the better. It will mean one less idiot
in the world.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Sherman]

Prisoner at War wrote:
> On Nov 9, 9:05 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> Really, that's pretty funny. I guess we're really not supposed to stop
>> for lights.
>
>
> People are just like George Bush: grasp at any straw for an excuse.
> I'm not surprised even cops proffered such idiocy: I've had motorists
> tell me I'm supposed to be on the sidewalk and pedestrians tell me I'm
> supposed to be on the street!
>
> **** that. I'm a bicyclist; I go where I want.
>
I have had cops (who should know better) tell me I should ride on the
sidewalk.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.

[Steven M. O'Neill]

Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
>matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out of
>the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as you
>can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my dear
>Watson!

Have you tried riding a bike like this, or is this just some
theory that you cooked up from behind the windshield?

The method you describe will result in a large number of near
sideswipes (or worse). If there's not enough room in a given
lane for a car to safely pass, the cyclist is much safer taking
the lane; drivers can see you better and are more likely to pass
in the adjacent lane when it's safe to do so.

--
Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY http://www.panix.com/~steveo

[Jeff Grippe]

Well that is what I would have thought as well, however, I got hit doing
exactly what Steven says to do. Since I was on a trike and the driver behind
me was speeding up (we had just come through a green light), I was hurt
badly enough to basically put and end to my cycling.

If you don't live somewhere that has accomodated cyclists in a significant
way (such as Tucson or Seattle or Copenhagen) then I would stay off the
roads completely. I know that "giving up" like this is not a popular opinion
but the cars don't respect us at all.

Jeff
"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fh2co5$qru$1@reader1.panix.com...
> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
>>matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out of
>>the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as you
>>can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my dear
>>Watson!
>
> Have you tried riding a bike like this, or is this just some
> theory that you cooked up from behind the windshield?
>
> The method you describe will result in a large number of near
> sideswipes (or worse). If there's not enough room in a given
> lane for a car to safely pass, the cyclist is much safer taking
> the lane; drivers can see you better and are more likely to pass
> in the adjacent lane when it's safe to do so.
>
> --
> Steven O'Neill steveo@panix.com
> Brooklyn, NY http://www.panix.com/~steveo

[Edward Dolan]

"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fh2co5$qru$1@reader1.panix.com...
> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
>>matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out of
>>the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as you
>>can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my dear
>>Watson!
>
> Have you tried riding a bike like this, or is this just some
> theory that you cooked up from behind the windshield?
>
> The method you describe will result in a large number of near
> sideswipes (or worse). If there's not enough room in a given
> lane for a car to safely pass, the cyclist is much safer taking
> the lane; drivers can see you better and are more likely to pass
> in the adjacent lane when it's safe to do so.

Yes, that is the theory all right among the cognoscenti cyclists who think
they know everything. But it is false.

If you are in danger of being sideswiped, then get off your bike and walk it
on the sidewalk. The traffic in a major metro like NYC is ferocious and only
an idiot would want to mix in with it. Frankly, I would only ride a bike
there on a bike path - even in Brooklyn!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13j9hba7f2cmc76@news.supernews.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Well that is what I would have thought as well, however, I got hit doing
> exactly what Steven says to do. Since I was on a trike and the driver
> behind me was speeding up (we had just come through a green light), I was
> hurt badly enough to basically put and end to my cycling.
>
> If you don't live somewhere that has accomodated cyclists in a significant
> way (such as Tucson or Seattle or Copenhagen) then I would stay off the
> roads completely. I know that "giving up" like this is not a popular
> opinion but the cars don't respect us at all.

Hi Jeff,

Any progress being made on your various infirmities from your trike
accident? Enough time has now passed so that you should be getting a fix on
what your prospects are.

Wishing you the best as always,

Ed Dolan


> "Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:fh2co5$qru$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
>>>matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out of
>>>the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as you
>>>can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my dear
>>>Watson!
>>
>> Have you tried riding a bike like this, or is this just some
>> theory that you cooked up from behind the windshield?
>>
>> The method you describe will result in a large number of near
>> sideswipes (or worse). If there's not enough room in a given
>> lane for a car to safely pass, the cyclist is much safer taking
>> the lane; drivers can see you better and are more likely to pass
>> in the adjacent lane when it's safe to do so.

[dgk]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:44:35 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>
>"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:fh2co5$qru$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
>>>matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out of
>>>the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as you
>>>can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my dear
>>>Watson!
>>
>> Have you tried riding a bike like this, or is this just some
>> theory that you cooked up from behind the windshield?
>>
>> The method you describe will result in a large number of near
>> sideswipes (or worse). If there's not enough room in a given
>> lane for a car to safely pass, the cyclist is much safer taking
>> the lane; drivers can see you better and are more likely to pass
>> in the adjacent lane when it's safe to do so.
>
>Yes, that is the theory all right among the cognoscenti cyclists who think
>they know everything. But it is false.
>
>If you are in danger of being sideswiped, then get off your bike and walk it
>on the sidewalk. The traffic in a major metro like NYC is ferocious and only
>an idiot would want to mix in with it. Frankly, I would only ride a bike
>there on a bike path - even in Brooklyn!
>


The only unpleasant part of my commute is the two miles from the 59th
Street Bridge down 2nd Avenue. Then I pick up the east side
bike/pedestrian path for the rest of the trip downtown.

Even 2nd Avenue is ok though for the most part. Folks in NYC are good
drivers. Aggressive maybe, but pretty aware of the road and people and
bikes.

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
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>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>

It's very interesting that you should say that again. I have joined a Yahoo
newsgroup where top posting is pretty much the way it is done. Everyone
seems to top post all the time. I don't think that they are all idiots but
you never can tell.

> Any progress being made on your various infirmities from your trike
> accident? Enough time has now passed so that you should be getting a fix
> on what your prospects are.

Well since you asked,

I have decided not to have back surgery for pain. I've talked to many people
that have had it and nobody has had just one. I don't want to start down a
road of surgery after surgery. All the people I've talked to (about 4) say
the same thing. The surgery works for a while and then the pain returns.

But I thought that I had to do something so last month I had a gastric
bypass. I expect that over the next year or so I'll take off the 100 or so
extra pounds that I'm carrying (I'm down over 20 already). My pain doc says
that every pound
I take off is like taking 3 off my back.

It is unclear if I will be able to cycle again and enjoy it. There are some
physical problems on my right side that make cycling unpleasent after a
while. When I think about trying to cycle again I'm going to need to find a
pedal system that lets me press with my heel instead of my toe. That will
allow me to avoid the unpleasent stuff.

So the future is still a bit unclear. The weight loss could have a major
effect on a lot of things and I've only just begun that.

>
> Wishing you the best as always,
>

Thank you sir for your good wishes and concern. As always, I too wish you
all the best.

Jeff

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 9, 9:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> I have had cops (who should know better) tell me I should ride on the
> sidewalk.

LOL! Just goes to show that cops simply make **** up, as suits the
occasion. It's either part of their training, 'cause they do it so
well, or the job attracts natural bull**** artists.

Speaking of cops, what ever happened to them bicycle cops? Don't see
any anymore, 'cept at parades -- what do they do the rest of the time?

> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> Tradition is the worst rational for action.

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13jb238ojmqptb8@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:JM2dnS7ApLu-dananZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>
> It's very interesting that you should say that again. I have joined a
> Yahoo newsgroup where top posting is pretty much the way it is done.
> Everyone seems to top post all the time. I don't think that they are all
> idiots but you never can tell.

Even though you can't cycle much anymore, that is no reason to desert ARBR.
Hells Bells, half the folks here don't cycle anymore. The only thing we run
are our mouths. You are as good at that as anyone else.

>> Any progress being made on your various infirmities from your trike
>> accident? Enough time has now passed so that you should be getting a fix
>> on what your prospects are.
>
> Well since you asked,
>
> I have decided not to have back surgery for pain. I've talked to many
> people that have had it and nobody has had just one. I don't want to start
> down a road of surgery after surgery. All the people I've talked to (about
> 4) say the same thing. The surgery works for a while and then the pain
> returns.

Jeff, that is what I have heard too from many others who have had back pain.
You just have to learn to live with it and after awhile it seems to become
less and less. Back pain is why I had to give up riding upright bicycles.
Recumbents pretty much solved the back pain (and shoulder and neck pain)
problem for me, but I did not have a major trauma like you.

When I was at the Seattle VA some years ago for my prostate cancer treatment
(external and seed implant radiation) they were flying young guys down from
Alaska, all of whom had terrible back pain. They all wanted operations, but
the docs would not operate on them no matter what. It was all about getting
those midriff muscles in shape.

> But I thought that I had to do something so last month I had a gastric
> bypass. I expect that over the next year or so I'll take off the 100 or so
> extra pounds that I'm carrying (I'm down over 20 already). My pain doc
> says that every pound
> I take off is like taking 3 off my back.

Once you lose some of that weight, it will make a big difference. Everyone I
know that is overweight have lots of joint pain due to osteoarthritis (wear
and tear) and are getting knee and hip replacements.

> It is unclear if I will be able to cycle again and enjoy it. There are
> some physical problems on my right side that make cycling unpleasent after
> a while. When I think about trying to cycle again I'm going to need to
> find a pedal system that lets me press with my heel instead of my toe.
> That will allow me to avoid the unpleasent stuff.
>
> So the future is still a bit unclear. The weight loss could have a major
> effect on a lot of things and I've only just begun that.

Cycling is not the be-all and end-all of life. We are actually designed for
walking, not cycling. Try to get out and walk everyday for an hour or so, if
you can do that safely there in White Plains. That is what I do here in the
winter and it works for me. I carry along my MP3 player and listen to music
as I amble about Worthington. We all of us need to move more. It is really
all this sitting around that sends us to an early grave.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message

> Even though you can't cycle much anymore, that is no reason to desert
> ARBR. Hells Bells, half the folks here don't cycle anymore. The only thing
> we run are our mouths. You are as good at that as anyone else.
>

I won't abandon the group although almost the only one I talk to these days
is you.

> Cycling is not the be-all and end-all of life. We are actually designed
> for walking, not cycling. Try to get out and walk everyday for an hour or
> so, if you can do that safely there in White Plains.

The loss of cycling, while not everything, is huge. It has been a source of
pleasure for most of my adult life and I won't concede it easily. While I
have never been a big fan of walking, my residual injuries make it more
unpleasant then ever. Because of the foot drop on my right side and the
difficulty in picking up that foot, walking has become a real chore. I
frequently stumble and trip on my own foot.

I still have martial arts and this winter, I should get out and see how
cross country skiing is. On easy trails it is like winter hiking. You don't
have to pick up your leg all the way. It might be something I can still do
although given how short the season is (they don't make snow for it), it
can't really replace cycling.

Jeff

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194880121.136101.173700@v3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 9, 9:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have had cops (who should know better) tell me I should ride on the
>> sidewalk.
>
> LOL! Just goes to show that cops simply make **** up, as suits the
> occasion. It's either part of their training, 'cause they do it so
> well, or the job attracts natural bull**** artists.
>
> Speaking of cops, what ever happened to them bicycle cops? Don't see
> any anymore, 'cept at parades -- what do they do the rest of the time?

Here is NYC XYZ again making a perfect fool of himself. He seems not to
realize that it is only the thin blue line (cops) that keeps us safe from
criminal predators. Many of them are now in prison where they belong and NYC
may well end up there himself if his present attitude should continue. But
he is young and has much to learn about human nature. In prison, he would
learn all about human nature in spades from his fellow inmates in a matter
of minutes.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Jeff Grippe]

POW is NYCXYZ?

How do you know this to be so?

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1194880121.136101.173700@v3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>> On Nov 9, 9:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have had cops (who should know better) tell me I should ride on the
>>> sidewalk.
>>
>> LOL! Just goes to show that cops simply make **** up, as suits the
>> occasion. It's either part of their training, 'cause they do it so
>> well, or the job attracts natural bull**** artists.
>>
>> Speaking of cops, what ever happened to them bicycle cops? Don't see
>> any anymore, 'cept at parades -- what do they do the rest of the time?
>
> Here is NYC XYZ again making a perfect fool of himself. He seems not to
> realize that it is only the thin blue line (cops) that keeps us safe from
> criminal predators. Many of them are now in prison where they belong and
> NYC may well end up there himself if his present attitude should continue.
> But he is young and has much to learn about human nature. In prison, he
> would learn all about human nature in spades from his fellow inmates in a
> matter of minutes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>

[Prisoner at War]

Hey, I live in NYC, you don't have to remind me twice that cops keep
our spics and niggers in line (somewhat!)...just yesterday in the
subway station at Bay Ridge -- a white and Asian neighborhood -- four
nigglets were making a racket. A lot of banging of metal and shouting
and commotion, such that cops from the OTHER SIDE of the subway
station came over to investigate! Now if you know the NYC subways,
you know that that's a heck of a long way in terms of distance, so you
can imagine how much these little corn-row-headed niggers were jumping
up and down trashing the place like gorillas in the jungle!

Turns out all that crashing about was 'cause the four of them were
trying to get in on one STUDENT MetroCard...at 8:10 at night! Turns
out they weren't even students -- ! So the cop was like, come follow
me....

And people wonder why I'm "racist." How many times to you have to go
through this **** every week when you just conclude, hey, spics and
niggers are garbage?? They make the Italians and Irish look like
angels -- which is saying a lot, if you know the history of NYC!

Of course, use a thief to catch a thief...which is why the Irish-
Italian NYPD of old is now becoming more and more black and hispanic
-- LOL!!



On Nov 12, 10:56 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> Here is NYC XYZ again making a perfect fool of himself. He seems not to
> realize that it is only the thin blue line (cops) that keeps us safe from
> criminal predators. Many of them are now in prison where they belong and NYC
> may well end up there himself if his present attitude should continue. But
> he is young and has much to learn about human nature. In prison, he would
> learn all about human nature in spades from his fellow inmates in a matter
> of minutes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13jhe9vbg89aiea@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
> news:4735dba5$0$8627$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:JM2dnS7ApLu-dananZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>
>>>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's very interesting that you should say that again. I have joined a
>>> Yahoo newsgroup where top posting is pretty much the way it is done.
>>> Everyone seems to top post all the time. I don't think that they are
>>> all idiots but you never can tell.
>>
>> Is it truly a "newsgroup" like this (Usenet) or one of many "Yahoo!
>> Groups" like our local mountain biking list? Almost every member
>> top-replies on that, too, because it's e-mail based for most and even the
>> online version just puts the latest post at the top.
>>
>> The reason top-posting is stupid on a /newsgroup/ is mainly because it's
>> "threaded", not individual messages.
>>
>> Bill "if all else fails, ask Michael Press" S.
>>
> Well, FWIW, I claim the to be the voice of someone who has been doing this
> for a really long time. My experience with threaded conversations goes
> back to the days of BBS's and modems. When I started on my first chat BBS
> the best modem you could buy was 1200 baud. I actually go back to 110/300
> baud and acoustic couplers but I didn't use those for threaded
> conversations. As a though experiment, however, top-posting would have
> been far superior on a KSR-33.
>
> Although the conversations were threaded, most regular readers already
> knew what the previous messages were. Anyone who wanted to join the thread
> could either start at the beginning or jump right in.
>
> The rules that made sense back then (and still do to my way of thinking)
> is that you would top post if your reply was a response to the entire
> message that preceded it. OTOH, you would insert your text into the
> message if you were responding point by point.
>
> This message could just have easily been top-posted with no lack of
> clarity. You could still follow the thread by reading what is below it or
> by reading the previous message.
>
> I would say that to top post a point by point rebuttal is not such a great
> idea but otherwise, it works as well as bottom posting. My point has
> always been that it isn't an all or nothing thing. Top posting isn't
> always evil and bottom posting isn't always better.

I have been through these wars over the correct manner of posting messages
on Usenet many times and I weary of yet explaining it once again. And so I
won't, other than to say that you are wrong. Please read up on Netiquette
which I believe may still be available on the Google Groups website. Tom
Sherman will know about **** like this.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[neil0502@yahoo.com]

On Nov 12, 12:36 pm, "Jeff Grippe" <j...@door7.com> wrote:

>Top posting isn't always evil
> and bottom posting isn't always better.

Ayyyyyy-men.

For some all/nothing or black/white thinkers, though, top-posting
should be deemed a capital crime.

Amazing how rarely I can't follow the dialogue ... regardless of which
format is used.

.... but maybe that's just me....

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13jhenkoteh1n46@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
[...]
>> Cycling is not the be-all and end-all of life. We are actually designed
>> for walking, not cycling. Try to get out and walk everyday for an hour or
>> so, if you can do that safely there in White Plains.
>
> The loss of cycling, while not everything, is huge. It has been a source
> of pleasure for most of my adult life and I won't concede it easily. While
> I have never been a big fan of walking, my residual injuries make it more
> unpleasant then ever. Because of the foot drop on my right side and the
> difficulty in picking up that foot, walking has become a real chore. I
> frequently stumble and trip on my own foot.
>
> I still have martial arts and this winter, I should get out and see how
> cross country skiing is. On easy trails it is like winter hiking. You
> don't have to pick up your leg all the way. It might be something I can
> still do although given how short the season is (they don't make snow for
> it), it can't really replace cycling.

Jeff, if you can't get out and walk easily I will admit you are in trouble.
I think that is the one thing we humans have to do in order to maintain our
health. Ever notice how those who are confined to a bed or a wheelchair
never live very long?

I think I would work on getting back the ability to walk above all else.
Surely there is a physical therapy or a prosthetic device available that
could help you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13jhept3f92va87@news.supernews.com...
> POW is NYCXYZ?
>
> How do you know this to be so?

The writing style is unmistakable. I can identify who is who by the manner
of their writing. But mainly it is his juvenile attitude and ****ed-up
sassiness that gives him away.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:-sGdnVXpt8Ek6qXanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1194880121.136101.173700@v3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>>> On Nov 9, 9:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have had cops (who should know better) tell me I should ride on the
>>>> sidewalk.
>>>
>>> LOL! Just goes to show that cops simply make **** up, as suits the
>>> occasion. It's either part of their training, 'cause they do it so
>>> well, or the job attracts natural bull**** artists.
>>>
>>> Speaking of cops, what ever happened to them bicycle cops? Don't see
>>> any anymore, 'cept at parades -- what do they do the rest of the time?
>>
>> Here is NYC XYZ again making a perfect fool of himself. He seems not to
>> realize that it is only the thin blue line (cops) that keeps us safe from
>> criminal predators. Many of them are now in prison where they belong and
>> NYC may well end up there himself if his present attitude should
>> continue. But he is young and has much to learn about human nature. In
>> prison, he would learn all about human nature in spades from his fellow
>> inmates in a matter of minutes.

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:YOidnYYalZaUmaTanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>
> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
> news:13jhept3f92va87@news.supernews.com...
>> POW is NYCXYZ?
>>
>> How do you know this to be so?
>
> The writing style is unmistakable. I can identify who is who by the manner
> of their writing. But mainly it is his juvenile attitude and ****ed-up
> sassiness that gives him away.
>

In other words, you don't really know. You are taking an educated guess
based on evidence but lets face it, there could be two people with similar
attitude and writing style no?

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:wZ-dnbc0Btb2kaTanZ2dnUVZ_uyinZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> Jeff, if you can't get out and walk easily I will admit you are in
> trouble. I think that is the one thing we humans have to do in order to
> maintain our health. Ever notice how those who are confined to a bed or a
> wheelchair never live very long?
>
> I think I would work on getting back the ability to walk above all else.
> Surely there is a physical therapy or a prosthetic device available that
> could help you.
>

I can walk. It is slow and unpleasant. I've already been through 18 months
of PT which brought me as far as I've come today. There is a prosthetic
device. I have one. It is a case of the cure being worse than the disease.
The device is a brace and the improvement is minimal. The brace picks up the
front of my foot but it doesn't make the nerves fire that won't fire. The
brace is only the slightest of improvements.

I can and do exercise using machines and I am able to get an adequate
workout. I wasn't talking about physical fitness, which I am able to
maintain but rather about recreation. Cycling has never been about fitness
for me. Fitness was always a side effect. Cycling is something I have loved
to do since the first time I got on a bike as an adult. Before getting
married I used to bike just about everywhere and I got out every weekend. I
met my wife on a bike and she loves it as much as I do. Before children the
two of us biked often. Even after our son was born, we would plan bike trips
when we could. For example:

http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/railtrail2005.msnw

This is a safe link ed. It is to my photos on MSN.

So the loss of cycling would be huge but I don't concede the fight by a long
shot.

Jeff

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13jiu4t9q4ho086@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:YOidnYYalZaUmaTanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>>
>> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
>> news:13jhept3f92va87@news.supernews.com...
>>> POW is NYCXYZ?
>>>
>>> How do you know this to be so?
>>
>> The writing style is unmistakable. I can identify who is who by the
>> manner of their writing. But mainly it is his juvenile attitude and
>> ****ed-up sassiness that gives him away.
>>
>
> In other words, you don't really know. You are taking an educated guess
> based on evidence but lets face it, there could be two people with similar
> attitude and writing style no?

No, NOT likely. The New York bicycle group is quite dead and that is where
this nut case comes from. Hells Bells, he is even writing about the same
sold **** ... cops, et al.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 5:12 am, "Jeff Grippe" <j...@door7.com> wrote:
>
>
> In other words, you don't really know. You are taking an educated guess
> based on evidence but lets face it, there could be two people with similar
> attitude and writing style no?



You know, people spend way too much time on usenet playing the
personae dramatis guessing game...fact is, every opinion has got its
"constituency," regardless of who actually states it in public ("I am
Spartacus!")....

Ed thinks he's very clever doing the "aha gotcha" routine when I've
already stated who I am -- not that it matters, of course. But like
the pedant with nothing of substance to say and therefore retreats to
pointing out typos and other such minutiae, Ed thinks conversations
best turn not on ideas, but personalities.

All the poorer him. Which explains why, for all his belly-aching,
it's just those "same old ****" I allegedly post which has him more
animated than a Viagra overdose....

I also wish you a good recovery, Jeff.

Let me know when you are ready for Chinese restaurant advice! ;-)

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
news:13jiuptebo62g6f@news.supernews.com...
[...]
> I can and do exercise using machines and I am able to get an adequate
> workout. I wasn't talking about physical fitness, which I am able to
> maintain but rather about recreation. Cycling has never been about fitness
> for me. Fitness was always a side effect. Cycling is something I have
> loved to do since the first time I got on a bike as an adult. Before
> getting married I used to bike just about everywhere and I got out every
> weekend. I met my wife on a bike and she loves it as much as I do. Before
> children the two of us biked often. Even after our son was born, we would
> plan bike trips when we could. For example:
>
> http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/railtrail2005.msnw
>
> This is a safe link ed. It is to my photos on MSN.
>
> So the loss of cycling would be huge but I don't concede the fight by a
> long shot.

Yes, I always cycled for enjoyment too, not fitness. But still it was a nice
side benefit to get. Now, however, I must admit I cycle more for fitness
than I do enjoyment. Trust me on this, cycling enjoyment does not continue
forever.

Just being able to walk is not enough. You have to be able to walk
continuously for a period of time (minimum 1 hour). It is something you do
for fitness, not enjoyment (unless you are hiking in the mountains of
course). However, if you can listen to music while you are doing it, it is
not so bad.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:a7cjj3tsnv49aifcqvej11uo6pmk4k09t8@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:44:35 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steven M. O'Neill" <steveo@panix.com> wrote in message
>>news:fh2co5$qru$1@reader1.panix.com...
>>> Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>>If you are riding in the lanes with motor vehicles in NYC it is just a
>>>>matter of time until you are hit. Ride in the street yes, but stay out
>>>>of
>>>>the way of motor vehicles. In other words, get as far to the right as
>>>>you
>>>>can, even if it means you are right next to the curb. Elementary, my
>>>>dear
>>>>Watson!
>>>
>>> Have you tried riding a bike like this, or is this just some
>>> theory that you cooked up from behind the windshield?
>>>
>>> The method you describe will result in a large number of near
>>> sideswipes (or worse). If there's not enough room in a given
>>> lane for a car to safely pass, the cyclist is much safer taking
>>> the lane; drivers can see you better and are more likely to pass
>>> in the adjacent lane when it's safe to do so.
>>
>>Yes, that is the theory all right among the cognoscenti cyclists who think
>>they know everything. But it is false.
>>
>>If you are in danger of being sideswiped, then get off your bike and walk
>>it
>>on the sidewalk. The traffic in a major metro like NYC is ferocious and
>>only
>>an idiot would want to mix in with it. Frankly, I would only ride a bike
>>there on a bike path - even in Brooklyn!
>>
>
>
> The only unpleasant part of my commute is the two miles from the 59th
> Street Bridge down 2nd Avenue. Then I pick up the east side
> bike/pedestrian path for the rest of the trip downtown.
>
> Even 2nd Avenue is ok though for the most part. Folks in NYC are good
> drivers. Aggressive maybe, but pretty aware of the road and people and
> bikes.

You bet - everybody says that until they get hit.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194970556.145117.322730@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Hey, I live in NYC, you don't have to remind me twice that cops keep
> our spics and niggers in line (somewhat!)...just yesterday in the
> subway station at Bay Ridge -- a white and Asian neighborhood -- four
> nigglets were making a racket. A lot of banging of metal and shouting
> and commotion, such that cops from the OTHER SIDE of the subway
> station came over to investigate! Now if you know the NYC subways,
> you know that that's a heck of a long way in terms of distance, so you
> can imagine how much these little corn-row-headed niggers were jumping
> up and down trashing the place like gorillas in the jungle!
>
> Turns out all that crashing about was 'cause the four of them were
> trying to get in on one STUDENT MetroCard...at 8:10 at night! Turns
> out they weren't even students -- ! So the cop was like, come follow
> me....
>
> And people wonder why I'm "racist." How many times to you have to go
> through this **** every week when you just conclude, hey, spics and
> niggers are garbage?? They make the Italians and Irish look like
> angels -- which is saying a lot, if you know the history of NYC!
>
> Of course, use a thief to catch a thief...which is why the Irish-
> Italian NYPD of old is now becoming more and more black and hispanic
> -- LOL!!

It is OK to be a racist. Everyone is - positively no exceptions! However, it
is best not to let it all hang out too outrageously since we all have to
live together in the same society - more or less. Furthermore, there are a
lot of thin-skinned liberals loose in the country who like to pretend they
are holier than thou and will take to calling you a bigot.

Liberals are the biggest racists of all except for the blacks. They are
still a minority living in a predominantly white society, so of course they
think about race all the time, Let's face it, if we were living in the
Congo, we would be thinking about race all the time too because then we
would be a minority in a predominantly black society.

Well, birds of a feather flock together and so should we. Yea, we should all
stay with our own kind and consign cultural diversity to the dust bin of
history. It is just another one of those progressive liberal ideas that was
hatched in a loony bin and never worked in the real world beyond
kindergarten.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. The last time I was in New York, it was 10 cents to ride the subway. I
think now it is $2. I don't blame anyone for wanting to get a cheaper fare.



> On Nov 12, 10:56 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>> Here is NYC XYZ again making a perfect fool of himself. He seems not to
>> realize that it is only the thin blue line (cops) that keeps us safe from
>> criminal predators. Many of them are now in prison where they belong and
>> NYC
>> may well end up there himself if his present attitude should continue.
>> But
>> he is young and has much to learn about human nature. In prison, he would
>> learn all about human nature in spades from his fellow inmates in a
>> matter
>> of minutes.

[Jym Dyer]

=x= You are a racist pig.
<_Jym_>

[Chalo]

Prisoner at War wrote:
>
< snip loathsome racist rubbish >

You are downright lucky this is an electronic forum. Otherwise you
could expect a well-deserved beatdown with a U-lock (or a few of them)
for spouting your offensive bull**** in this group. I don't think you
could find even one person who'd feel sorry for you.

Chalo

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194973308.281964.286500@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 13, 5:12 am, "Jeff Grippe" <j...@door7.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In other words, you don't really know. You are taking an educated guess
>> based on evidence but lets face it, there could be two people with
>> similar
>> attitude and writing style no?
>
>
>
> You know, people spend way too much time on usenet playing the
> personae dramatis guessing game...fact is, every opinion has got its
> "constituency," regardless of who actually states it in public ("I am
> Spartacus!")....
>
> Ed thinks he's very clever doing the "aha gotcha" routine when I've
> already stated who I am -- not that it matters, of course. But like
> the pedant with nothing of substance to say and therefore retreats to
> pointing out typos and other such minutiae, Ed thinks conversations
> best turn not on ideas, but personalities.

I do not see why you keep changing your user name. Further, I do not bother
with typos and other minutiae except in the case of those who do bother.
Everyone, but everyone, makes lots of mistakes all the time. It is only fun
to correct those who think such things are important.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 12:51 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> I do not see why you keep changing your user name.

That my mailbox gets inundated with spam is really my own concern,
don't you think?

> Further, I do not bother
> with typos and other minutiae except in the case of those who do bother.

Of course, given your boredom (that's it, really, isn't it), pedantry
such as criticizing top-posting is not minutiae to you.

> Everyone, but everyone, makes lots of mistakes all the time. It is only fun
> to correct those who think such things are important.

Hell's bells, one would think MN was more interesting than
that...after all, the Great Dolan is in!

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 1:29 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Top-posting was how your mom conceived you!

> It is OK to be a racist. Everyone is - positively no exceptions! However, it
> is best not to let it all hang out too outrageously since we all have to
> live together in the same society - more or less.

Nah, I think race should be dealt with instead of swept under the
rug. Besides, blacks and hispanics are about the absolute most racist
folks around in NYC -- they see everything in terms of race, which is
the very definition of a racist!

> Furthermore, there are a
> lot of thin-skinned liberals loose in the country who like to pretend they
> are holier than thou and will take to calling you a bigot.

These same liberals talk out of both sides of their collective ass
(it's a big one, all right, but not shapely at all): they will *****
about half of all AIDS cases being niggers when asking for government
hand-outs, but ***** about "racism" when the doctor at the CDC
recently discovered that it was a Haitian nigger who brought AIDS into
America!

> Liberals are the biggest racists of all except for the blacks. They are
> still a minority living in a predominantly white society, so of course they
> think about race all the time,

They're no minority in NYC, but their victim mentality excuses all
kinds of the most outrageous racism on their part.

> Let's face it, if we were living in the
> Congo, we would be thinking about race all the time too because then we
> would be a minority in a predominantly black society.

I ain't against the obvious, which is that there are "races," so-
called, about...what I'm against is the phony liberal bull**** foisted
on me -- that's why I'm a "prisoner AT war" -- that blacks and
hispanics are such poor darlings, we must be kind to them, they've
been through so much, they face racism everyday, oh boo hoo hooey!!!

> Well, birds of a feather flock together and so should we. Yea, we should all
> stay with our own kind and consign cultural diversity to the dust bin of
> history. It is just another one of those progressive liberal ideas that was
> hatched in a loony bin and never worked in the real world beyond
> kindergarten.

"Cultural diversity" will happen on its own because human beings are
social creatures and will naturally interact...the very fact that
political correctness, however, must be enforced by society's arbiters
of current tastes and fashion just goes to show what crap it is --
because only the unnatural needs enforcement; only criminals need
legal codes (honest men already know the difference).

The history of mankind is one of "cultural diversity," in point of
fact...why, the English language itself is a hodge-podge of
influences, which is why it's harder to learn than Chinese! But this
bull**** where spiggers complain that no one cares about crime in da
hood as long it stays there, then complain about "racial profiling"
when cops are sent in to control crime in da hood...it's the most
disgusting kind of hypocrisy.

It's the kind which insults the intelligence of the observer: the
emperor has no clothes, but we must all pretend nothing is amiss.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. The last time I was in New York, it was 10 cents to ride the subway. I
> think now it is $2. I don't blame anyone for wanting to get a cheaper fare.
>
> > On Nov 12, 10:56 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> >> Here is NYC XYZ again making a perfect fool of himself. He seems not to
> >> realize that it is only the thin blue line (cops) that keeps us safe from
> >> criminal predators. Many of them are now in prison where they belong and
> >> NYC
> >> may well end up there himself if his present attitude should continue.
> >> But
> >> he is young and has much to learn about human nature. In prison, he would
> >> learn all about human nature in spades from his fellow inmates in a
> >> matter
> >> of minutes.

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194982596.755929.315430@19g2000hsx.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 13, 12:51 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I do not see why you keep changing your user name.
>
> That my mailbox gets inundated with spam is really my own concern,
> don't you think?

Why not say so right up front instead of sneaking it in like a thief in the
night. Or did you think you could perhaps have some new beginnings here on
these cycling newsgroups. Hey, that is never going to happen as long as I
know who you are.

>> Further, I do not bother
>> with typos and other minutiae except in the case of those who do bother.
>
> Of course, given your boredom (that's it, really, isn't it), pedantry
> such as criticizing top-posting is not minutiae to you.

Top posting is not minutiae. It is a rudeness to readers who may be trying
to follow the conversation.

>> Everyone, but everyone, makes lots of mistakes all the time. It is only
>> fun
>> to correct those who think such things are important.
>
> Hell's bells, one would think MN was more interesting than
> that...after all, the Great Dolan is in!

Stand by for correction when you go astray. ARBR is not like other
newsgroups where you can get away with murder. We have high standards here
even though most members are lowly like you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194983408.829981.47010@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Nov 13, 1:29 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> It is OK to be a racist. Everyone is - positively no exceptions! However,
>> it
>> is best not to let it all hang out too outrageously since we all have to
>> live together in the same society - more or less.
>
> Nah, I think race should be dealt with instead of swept under the
> rug. Besides, blacks and hispanics are about the absolute most racist
> folks around in NYC -- they see everything in terms of race, which is
> the very definition of a racist!

Glad you agree with me for once in your benighted life!

>> Furthermore, there are a
>> lot of thin-skinned liberals loose in the country who like to pretend
>> they
>> are holier than thou and will take to calling you a bigot.
>
> These same liberals talk out of both sides of their collective ass
> (it's a big one, all right, but not shapely at all): they will *****
> about half of all AIDS cases being niggers when asking for government
> hand-outs, but ***** about "racism" when the doctor at the CDC
> recently discovered that it was a Haitian nigger who brought AIDS into
> America!

I think it was brought to this nation by American homos cruising abroad. It
was really funny how the media wanted to portray it as a disease that could
happen to anyone when all the early victims seemed to be either homos or
needle users. But I knew it would spread to ever larger circles because
humans are basically sexual swine. Others are not capable of the Holiness of
Saint Edward the Great.

>> Liberals are the biggest racists of all except for the blacks. They are
>> still a minority living in a predominantly white society, so of course
>> they
>> think about race all the time,
>
> They're no minority in NYC, but their victim mentality excuses all
> kinds of the most outrageous racism on their part.

It might be a good idea if you were to think about moving from NYC. There is
no point in getting yourself murdered for what you think since it is what
everyone else in the world also thinks. But the trick is not to say it.

>> Let's face it, if we were living in the
>> Congo, we would be thinking about race all the time too because then we
>> would be a minority in a predominantly black society.
>
> I ain't against the obvious, which is that there are "races," so-
> called, about...what I'm against is the phony liberal bull**** foisted
> on me -- that's why I'm a "prisoner AT war" -- that blacks and
> hispanics are such poor darlings, we must be kind to them, they've
> been through so much, they face racism everyday, oh boo hoo hooey!!!

Yup, all liberal baloney which the blacks have capitalized on. Liberals even
believe in reparations for slavery of all things - as if I or my ancestors
had anything to do with it.

>> Well, birds of a feather flock together and so should we. Yea, we should
>> all
>> stay with our own kind and consign cultural diversity to the dust bin of
>> history. It is just another one of those progressive liberal ideas that
>> was
>> hatched in a loony bin and never worked in the real world beyond
>> kindergarten.
>
> "Cultural diversity" will happen on its own because human beings are
> social creatures and will naturally interact...the very fact that
> political correctness, however, must be enforced by society's arbiters
> of current tastes and fashion just goes to show what crap it is --
> because only the unnatural needs enforcement; only criminals need
> legal codes (honest men already know the difference).

It is only fairly recently that it has even been possible to have any
cultural diversity. But is it a good thing? That is the question! The
Balkans are the best example I can point to that cultural diversity does not
always work out. We Americans can hardly tell the difference between the
various ethnicities involved, but they sure can! One thing is for certain,
Americanization has come to a complete halt.

> The history of mankind is one of "cultural diversity," in point of
> fact...why, the English language itself is a hodge-podge of
> influences, which is why it's harder to learn than Chinese! But this
> bull**** where spiggers complain that no one cares about crime in da
> hood as long it stays there, then complain about "racial profiling"
> when cops are sent in to control crime in da hood...it's the most
> disgusting kind of hypocrisy.

America has always been about homogenization, not diversity. This has now
changed, much for the worse I fear. The recent immigrants are not becoming
Americans anymore than recent Muslim immigrants to France are becoming
French.

> It's the kind which insults the intelligence of the observer: the
> emperor has no clothes, but we must all pretend nothing is amiss.

You are quite correct in your sentiments, but you must not express them in
public. I give you this advice for your own protection. We are living in
wild and dangerous times. Civilization is on the wane. Time to hunker down.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 4:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> Why not say so right up front instead of sneaking it in like a thief in the
> night. Or did you think you could perhaps have some new beginnings here on
> these cycling newsgroups. Hey, that is never going to happen as long as I
> know who you are.

I don't care who you think I am. I just don't see it as an issue.
Unlike you, I'm not some lonely-assed egomaniac who wants to make
myself the center of attention in my posts.

> Top posting is not minutiae. It is a rudeness to readers who may be trying
> to follow the conversation.

News flash, Ed Dolan: not everyone is going to leave the seat down for
daddy's little princess, okay now?

> Stand by for correction when you go astray. ARBR is not like other
> newsgroups where you can get away with murder. We have high standards here
> even though most members are lowly like you.

Hehe! Must be another slow day in hell, eh, Father Dolan....

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194991633.797840.210050@k79g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On Nov 13, 4:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why not say so right up front instead of sneaking it in like a thief in
>> the
>> night. Or did you think you could perhaps have some new beginnings here
>> on
>> these cycling newsgroups. Hey, that is never going to happen as long as I
>> know who you are.
>
> I don't care who you think I am. I just don't see it as an issue.
> Unlike you, I'm not some lonely-assed egomaniac who wants to make
> myself the center of attention in my posts.

But that is exactly what you do. No one in his right mind would blather on
and on like you do. Everyone finds you very tiresome in case you didn't know
it. In fact, they were exasperated by you from your last go-round some
months ago. Try to improve your messages - and never blather on and on. That
is my job.

>> Top posting is not minutiae. It is a rudeness to readers who may be
>> trying
>> to follow the conversation.
>
> News flash, Ed Dolan: not everyone is going to leave the seat down for
> daddy's little princess, okay now?

Toilet innuendo instead of sexual innuendo. At least that is different. I
wonder if Jim McNamara knows about toilet innuendo? It could be a whole new
thing with him.

>> Stand by for correction when you go astray. ARBR is not like other
>> newsgroups where you can get away with murder. We have high standards
>> here
>> even though most members are lowly like you.
>
> Hehe! Must be another slow day in hell, eh, Father Dolan....

You may address me as Your Majesty, Your Highness, Your Holiness or Your
Worship. Any of these forms of address will do.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Any more back and forth between us will get posted to all the cycling
newsgroups as I can't waste my precious words on just you.

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 5:16 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> Glad you agree with me for once in your benighted life!

No, you mean you're glad you finally agree with someone else in your
blighted life!

> I think it was brought to this nation by American homos cruising abroad.

The conventional wisdom is that AIDS is spread by so-called bisexuals
who give it to the women who give it to the straight guys.

> It
> was really funny how the media wanted to portray it as a disease that could
> happen to anyone when all the early victims seemed to be either homos or
> needle users.

Actually, that's been how it was portrayed at first -- "the Four H's:
homos, heroin addicts, hemophiliacs, and Haitians" -- which apparently
helped cause its spread because no one thought about all those
bisexual faggots giving it to typically dumb broads ("now that I think
about it, he was really into interior design and curtains") who passed
it along to the rest of the population.

> But I knew it would spread to ever larger circles because
> humans are basically sexual swine. Others are not capable of the Holiness of
> Saint Edward the Great.

There's nothing wrong with sex, except Christian hypocrisy.

> It might be a good idea if you were to think about moving from NYC. There is
> no point in getting yourself murdered for what you think since it is what
> everyone else in the world also thinks. But the trick is not to say it.

You don't understand: I say this stuff in real life, too, if the
occasion warrants it! Black people are really surprised to see a
Chinese guy -- a big physically fit one, too -- say things that the
whiteboys are too ascared of saying out loud. I actually feel bad for
embarrassing them, in effect doing whitey's dirty work for him without
meaning to, but the truth is the truth: niggers are just white trash
in blackface, and there's a lot of black racism around. (Just listen
to most any episode of NPR's new black shows and you get the feeling
that these people are the new Jews or something: God's own elect!)
Frankly, it'd be a much better world if blacks, whites, Jews, Muslims,
and Christians all killed each other!

> Yup, all liberal baloney which the blacks have capitalized on. Liberals even
> believe in reparations for slavery of all things - as if I or my ancestors
> had anything to do with it.

These same liberal idiots are like David Horowitz, who spent his youth
unquestioningly supporting the Black Panthers and now spends his
middle-age unquestioningly supporting most any neocon line!

> It is only fairly recently that it has even been possible to have any
> cultural diversity. But is it a good thing? That is the question!

Depends on what you mean by "cultural diversity"...for most people, it
means new foods and differently packaged *****!

> The
> Balkans are the best example I can point to that cultural diversity does not
> always work out.

Actually, that's precisely the worst example of cultural diversity
that does not work out: they've been mixed up for millennia, back to
the Roman days, and not just the recent Muslim-Orthodox-Catholic
****...and they've been all right, relatively speaking.

> We Americans can hardly tell the difference between the
> various ethnicities involved, but they sure can! One thing is for certain,
> Americanization has come to a complete halt.

There's no such thing as "Americanization," or else the Irish would
STFU up "the North" already instead of supporting terrorists! But
what has come to an end is the idea that there should be a more
cohesive common culture, as opposed to this "multiculturalism" which
sounds nice on paper but as applied "on the ground" means that
spiggers can blast their musicK-noise because it's their barbaric
culture....

> America has always been about homogenization, not diversity.

You should try reading a history book, you know? America has always
been about doing it your own way. From the French to the Dutch to the
Mormons to the Mennonites...what's different today is that those
previous cultures recognized not only their right to their own way but
a RESPONSIBILITY towards not impeding others' "own ways"...with spics
and niggers, it's only about "what's mines" and taking as much as they
can out of the system.

> This has now
> changed, much for the worse I fear. The recent immigrants are not becoming
> Americans anymore than recent Muslim immigrants to France are becoming
> French.

Another black male was shot the other day in NYC, and of course the
Jew-controlled media here is going gaga over "police brutality" and
"racism"...it's to the Jews' advantage to have all this racial
bull**** swarming around, since they can better go about their way
unnoticed in the background while the rest of us deal with Jewish
liberalism (they love blacks and hispanics so much but their kids go
to mostly white schools and they live in mostly white neighbhorhoods,
eh, while they support all manner of social policies designed to foist
spiggers on law-abiding peace-loving citizens)....

> You are quite correct in your sentiments, but you must not express them in
> public. I give you this advice for your own protection. We are living in
> wild and dangerous times. Civilization is on the wane. Time to hunker down.

I've already had people track me down in real life and confront me.
And, much to their astonishment, I am unrepentent! What are they
going to do, kill me for my opinions? Haha, typical liberals! I have
no common cause with conservatives, but I don't imagine a red gumball
being any different than a blue gumball!

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 5:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> But that is exactly what you do. No one in his right mind would blather on
> and on like you do. Everyone finds you very tiresome in case you didn't know
> it. In fact, they were exasperated by you from your last go-round some
> months ago. Try to improve your messages - and never blather on and on. That
> is my job.

I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone. No one's forcing anyone to
click on my posts, never mind actually read what I say. Ultimately,
it's as Lenny Bruce quipped of the FCC: if they don't get it, ****
'em.

> Toilet innuendo instead of sexual innuendo. At least that is different. I
> wonder if Jim McNamara knows about toilet innuendo? It could be a whole new
> thing with him.

And stop insisting that bathroom tissue be set "over" instead of
"under"...it really doesn't matter, so do get a life!

> You may address me as Your Majesty, Your Highness, Your Holiness or Your
> Worship. Any of these forms of address will do.

How about Your Celestial Gayness? We all know Catholic priests are
faggots. Who else wears "robes" and all that jewelry? Gayest **** I
ever saw, the Catholic Church. Do you remember that all them top
Nazis were Catholics, and had even been choir boys? Come to think of
it, many of them were lawyers, too! I hope someone does a Holocaust
on Catholics one day. They've caused so much trouble around the
world, and their leaders still do to this day. I'd sooner respect
Linus and his Great Pumpkin and Easter Bunny than I do a Catholic and
his "Holy See"...Jesus ****ing Christ!

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. Any more back and forth between us will get posted to all the cycling
> newsgroups as I can't waste my precious words on just you.

You can have the last word. I know it's what you really want for
Christmas!

[Tom Sherman]

Jym Dyer wrote:
> =x= You are a racist pig.

Who is you?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 10:58 pm, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> =x= You are a racist pig.
> <_Jym_>


I'd rather be a "racist pig" than a moron living in denial, Dyer!

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 10:58 pm, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> =x= You are a racist pig.
> <_Jym_>


Better a "racist pig" than a line-toeing moron!

[Edward Dolan]

"Jym Dyer" <jym@econet.org> wrote in message
news:1195012704.786223.97660@t8g2000prg.googlegrou ps.com...
> =x= You are a racist pig.
> <_Jym_>

Yea, aren't we all!

Now let us hear that Sermon on the Mount just one more time, if you please.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 10:58 pm, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> =x= You are a racist pig.
> <_Jym_>


Better a "racist pig" than a line-toeing moron!

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 13, 10:58 pm, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
> =x= You are a racist pig.
> <_Jym_>


Better a "racist pig" than a line-toeing moron!

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195057032.955173.83370@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 13, 5:16 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Glad you agree with me for once in your benighted life!
>
> No, you mean you're glad you finally agree with someone else in your
> blighted life!
>
>> I think it was brought to this nation by American homos cruising abroad.
>
> The conventional wisdom is that AIDS is spread by so-called bisexuals
> who give it to the women who give it to the straight guys.

Yes, but it was originally strictly a disease of homos who are notorious for
being promiscuous.

>> It
>> was really funny how the media wanted to portray it as a disease that
>> could
>> happen to anyone when all the early victims seemed to be either homos or
>> needle users.
>
> Actually, that's been how it was portrayed at first -- "the Four H's:
> homos, heroin addicts, hemophiliacs, and Haitians" -- which apparently
> helped cause its spread because no one thought about all those
> bisexual faggots giving it to typically dumb broads ("now that I think
> about it, he was really into interior design and curtains") who passed
> it along to the rest of the population.
>
>> But I knew it would spread to ever larger circles because
>> humans are basically sexual swine. Others are not capable of the Holiness
>> of
>> Saint Edward the Great.
>
> There's nothing wrong with sex, except Christian hypocrisy.

Sexually transmitted disease, including AIDS, is what is wrong with sex. All
religion tries to do is save us from our own worst selves. Saint Edward the
Great, for instance, can never get a sexually transmitted disease. He is
just too Pure and Holy for such nonsense. You, however, with your wandering
eye, had better watch out!

>> It might be a good idea if you were to think about moving from NYC. There
>> is
>> no point in getting yourself murdered for what you think since it is what
>> everyone else in the world also thinks. But the trick is not to say it.
>
> You don't understand: I say this stuff in real life, too, if the
> occasion warrants it! Black people are really surprised to see a
> Chinese guy -- a big physically fit one, too -- say things that the
> whiteboys are too ascared of saying out loud. I actually feel bad for
> embarrassing them, in effect doing whitey's dirty work for him without
> meaning to, but the truth is the truth: niggers are just white trash
> in blackface, and there's a lot of black racism around. (Just listen
> to most any episode of NPR's new black shows and you get the feeling
> that these people are the new Jews or something: God's own elect!)
> Frankly, it'd be a much better world if blacks, whites, Jews, Muslims,
> and Christians all killed each other!

I can clearly see that you are not long for this world. Any pip-squeak with
a pop gun can easily put an end to your great big life. I strongly suggest
you not say what is on your mind. Yes, racism is a fact of life, but it is
best never to bring it up in public. Talk the way you do with only those you
know VERY well. Never, and I do mean never, bring these matters up with
strangers. Do you not know that 1 out of 10 people walking around in this
world at any one time are crazy?

>> Yup, all liberal baloney which the blacks have capitalized on. Liberals
>> even
>> believe in reparations for slavery of all things - as if I or my
>> ancestors
>> had anything to do with it.
>
> These same liberal idiots are like David Horowitz, who spent his youth
> unquestioningly supporting the Black Panthers and now spends his
> middle-age unquestioningly supporting most any neocon line!

Mr. Horowitz has finally achieved wisdom in his wayward life. He is now one
of the wisest of the wise. He is never wrong about anything anymore. He
reminds me of ex-communists who finally see the light and become great
champions of democracy. Horowitz knows more about what education is for than
all the professors at Columbia rolled into one, that is for sure!

>> It is only fairly recently that it has even been possible to have any
>> cultural diversity. But is it a good thing? That is the question!
>
> Depends on what you mean by "cultural diversity"...for most people, it
> means new foods and differently packaged *****!
>
>> The
>> Balkans are the best example I can point to that cultural diversity does
>> not
>> always work out.
>
> Actually, that's precisely the worst example of cultural diversity
> that does not work out: they've been mixed up for millennia, back to
> the Roman days, and not just the recent Muslim-Orthodox-Catholic
> ****...and they've been all right, relatively speaking.

It was only the dictator Tito that held that mess together. Serbia is now
about where it should be, just another small Balkan state among many.

>> We Americans can hardly tell the difference between the
>> various ethnicities involved, but they sure can! One thing is for
>> certain,
>> Americanization has come to a complete halt.
>
> There's no such thing as "Americanization," or else the Irish would
> STFU up "the North" already instead of supporting terrorists! But
> what has come to an end is the idea that there should be a more
> cohesive common culture, as opposed to this "multiculturalism" which
> sounds nice on paper but as applied "on the ground" means that
> spiggers can blast their musicK-noise because it's their barbaric
> culture....

You badly need a course of study in the history of this nation. You are
essentially a "Know-Nothing."

>> America has always been about homogenization, not diversity.
>
> You should try reading a history book, you know? America has always
> been about doing it your own way. From the French to the Dutch to the
> Mormons to the Mennonites...what's different today is that those
> previous cultures recognized not only their right to their own way but
> a RESPONSIBILITY towards not impeding others' "own ways"...with spics
> and niggers, it's only about "what's mines" and taking as much as they
> can out of the system.

American History 101 ... anyone?

>> This has now
>> changed, much for the worse I fear. The recent immigrants are not
>> becoming
>> Americans anymore than recent Muslim immigrants to France are becoming
>> French.
>
> Another black male was shot the other day in NYC, and of course the
> Jew-controlled media here is going gaga over "police brutality" and
> "racism"...it's to the Jews' advantage to have all this racial
> bull**** swarming around, since they can better go about their way
> unnoticed in the background while the rest of us deal with Jewish
> liberalism (they love blacks and hispanics so much but their kids go
> to mostly white schools and they live in mostly white neighbhorhoods,
> eh, while they support all manner of social policies designed to foist
> spiggers on law-abiding peace-loving citizens)....
>
>> You are quite correct in your sentiments, but you must not express them
>> in
>> public. I give you this advice for your own protection. We are living in
>> wild and dangerous times. Civilization is on the wane. Time to hunker
>> down.
>
> I've already had people track me down in real life and confront me.
> And, much to their astonishment, I am unrepentent! What are they
> going to do, kill me for my opinions? Haha, typical liberals! I have
> no common cause with conservatives, but I don't imagine a red gumball
> being any different than a blue gumball!

"I can clearly see that you are not long for this world. Any pip-squeak with
a pop gun can easily put an end to your great big life. I strongly suggest
you not say what is on your mind. Yes, racism is a fact of life, but it is
best never to bring it up in public. Talk the way you do with only those you
know VERY well. Never, and I do mean never, bring these matters up with
strangers. Do you not know that 1 out of 10 people walking around in this
world at any one time are crazy?" - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195057399.518764.107790@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 13, 5:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> But that is exactly what you do. No one in his right mind would blather
>> on
>> and on like you do. Everyone finds you very tiresome in case you didn't
>> know
>> it. In fact, they were exasperated by you from your last go-round some
>> months ago. Try to improve your messages - and never blather on and on.
>> That
>> is my job.
>
> I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone. No one's forcing anyone to
> click on my posts, never mind actually read what I say. Ultimately,
> it's as Lenny Bruce quipped of the FCC: if they don't get it, ****
> 'em.

Lenny Bruce was one of the most despicable night club comics who ever lived.
I was overjoyed when he croaked at a fairly young age. Good riddance to bad
rubbish!

>> Toilet innuendo instead of sexual innuendo. At least that is different. I
>> wonder if Jim McNamara knows about toilet innuendo? It could be a whole
>> new
>> thing with him.
>
> And stop insisting that bathroom tissue be set "over" instead of
> "under"...it really doesn't matter, so do get a life!

Ah, yes, those were the good old days when we discussed serious matters here
on ARBR. We are now into the late Beethoven quartets in case you are
interested.

>> You may address me as Your Majesty, Your Highness, Your Holiness or Your
>> Worship. Any of these forms of address will do.
>
> How about Your Celestial Gayness? We all know Catholic priests are
> faggots. Who else wears "robes" and all that jewelry? Gayest **** I
> ever saw, the Catholic Church. Do you remember that all them top
> Nazis were Catholics, and had even been choir boys? Come to think of
> it, many of them were lawyers, too! I hope someone does a Holocaust
> on Catholics one day. They've caused so much trouble around the
> world, and their leaders still do to this day. I'd sooner respect
> Linus and his Great Pumpkin and Easter Bunny than I do a Catholic and
> his "Holy See"...Jesus ****ing Christ!

I can see you are a true New Yorker! For your penance go to St. Patrick's
Cathedral and say 5 "Our Fathers" and 10 "Hail Marys." And for heaven's
sakes, stop taking whatever drug you are taking. It is making you even
dumber than you already are.

>> PS. Any more back and forth between us will get posted to all the cycling
>> newsgroups as I can't waste my precious words on just you.
>
> You can have the last word. I know it's what you really want for
> Christmas!

I do not care about having the last word, but I do care about having the
best word. I guess I need never worry on that score with you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, but it was originally strictly a disease of homos who are notorious for
> being promiscuous.

Well, technically speaking, it was originally a disease of chimpanzees
in Africa...now either some nigger ****ed an ape -- 'cause let's face
it, niggers **** all the time, and they **** anything -- or, more
politely, we can concede that perhaps it spread from the open-air
fresh meat markets over there ('cause they also hunt chimps for food).

But I understand what you mean about AIDS being a homosexual disease.
It's also now a black disease -- except when it's not.

> Sexually transmitted disease, including AIDS, is what is wrong with sex. All
> religion tries to do is save us from our own worst selves. Saint Edward the
> Great, for instance, can never get a sexually transmitted disease. He is
> just too Pure and Holy for such nonsense. You, however, with your wandering
> eye, had better watch out!

Religion is the opium of the masses.

> I can clearly see that you are not long for this world. Any pip-squeak with
> a pop gun can easily put an end to your great big life. I strongly suggest
> you not say what is on your mind. Yes, racism is a fact of life, but it is
> best never to bring it up in public. Talk the way you do with only those you
> know VERY well. Never, and I do mean never, bring these matters up with
> strangers. Do you not know that 1 out of 10 people walking around in this
> world at any one time are crazy?

I don't ply people with my opinions unasked, but if I'm already in a
conversation and the topic has come up of its own, I do not hesitate
to express my views.

> Mr. Horowitz has finally achieved wisdom in his wayward life. He is now one
> of the wisest of the wise. He is never wrong about anything anymore.

He's just like those idiots who go from religion to religion.

> He
> reminds me of ex-communists who finally see the light and become great
> champions of democracy. Horowitz knows more about what education is for than
> all the professors at Columbia rolled into one, that is for sure!

Oh yeah, speaking of Nazis -- a lot of them were former Communists who
switched over quite easily. They weren't "racist," necessarily, but
found the shoot-first-ask-no-questions-ever approach warmly familiar.

> It was only the dictator Tito that held that mess together. Serbia is now
> about where it should be, just another small Balkan state among many.

Sure they have their issues over there, but they've had them for
centuries -- same as the Irish had theirs amongst themselves! Ethinc/
racial animosity is so over-rated: if it's not that, it would be
something else.

> You badly need a course of study in the history of this nation. You are
> essentially a "Know-Nothing."

Funny, that's actually what you are: an Know-Nothing Nativist, just
like the Know-Nothing Nativists of old!

> American History 101 ... anyone?

"A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn.

> "I can clearly see that you are not long for this world. Any pip-squeak with
> a pop gun can easily put an end to your great big life. I strongly suggest
> you not say what is on your mind. Yes, racism is a fact of life, but it is
> best never to bring it up in public. Talk the way you do with only those you
> know VERY well. Never, and I do mean never, bring these matters up with
> strangers. Do you not know that 1 out of 10 people walking around in this
> world at any one time are crazy?" - Ed Dolan

Quoting yourself? Is that schizophrenia -- or just laziness?

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 14, 12:55 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Jym Dyer" <j...@econet.org> wrote in message
>
> news:1195012704.786223.97660@t8g2000prg.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > =x= You are a racist pig.
> > <_Jym_>
>
> Yea, aren't we all!
>
> Now let us hear that Sermon on the Mount just one more time, if you please.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



Better a "racist pig" than a line-toeing moron!

[Jym Dyer]

> Better a "racist pig" than a line-toeing moron!

=x= Why split hairs? You're both.
<_Jym_>

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1195067009.714609.67210@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, but it was originally strictly a disease of homos who are notorious
>> for
>> being promiscuous.
>
> Well, technically speaking, it was originally a disease of chimpanzees
> in Africa...now either some nigger ****ed an ape -- 'cause let's face
> it, niggers **** all the time, and they **** anything -- or, more
> politely, we can concede that perhaps it spread from the open-air
> fresh meat markets over there ('cause they also hunt chimps for food).
>
> But I understand what you mean about AIDS being a homosexual disease.
> It's also now a black disease -- except when it's not.
>
>> Sexually transmitted disease, including AIDS, is what is wrong with sex.
>> All
>> religion tries to do is save us from our own worst selves. Saint Edward
>> the
>> Great, for instance, can never get a sexually transmitted disease. He is
>> just too Pure and Holy for such nonsense. You, however, with your
>> wandering
>> eye, had better watch out!
>
> Religion is the opium of the masses.

If that were true, it would have died out long ago. The masses need it and
it probably would not hurt us either. Atheism has a very bad record in the
20th century (Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot - mass murderers all).

>> I can clearly see that you are not long for this world. Any pip-squeak
>> with
>> a pop gun can easily put an end to your great big life. I strongly
>> suggest
>> you not say what is on your mind. Yes, racism is a fact of life, but it
>> is
>> best never to bring it up in public. Talk the way you do with only those
>> you
>> know VERY well. Never, and I do mean never, bring these matters up with
>> strangers. Do you not know that 1 out of 10 people walking around in this
>> world at any one time are crazy?
>
> I don't ply people with my opinions unasked, but if I'm already in a
> conversation and the topic has come up of its own, I do not hesitate
> to express my views.

PW, I would not do even that if I were you. It is dangerous unless you know
very well whom you are talking to.

>> Mr. Horowitz has finally achieved wisdom in his wayward life. He is now
>> one
>> of the wisest of the wise. He is never wrong about anything anymore.
>
> He's just like those idiots who go from religion to religion.

No, he made the big switch many years ago and is now very consistent in his
views. He has his own website where you can see for yourself.

>> He
>> reminds me of ex-communists who finally see the light and become great
>> champions of democracy. Horowitz knows more about what education is for
>> than
>> all the professors at Columbia rolled into one, that is for sure!
>
> Oh yeah, speaking of Nazis -- a lot of them were former Communists who
> switched over quite easily. They weren't "racist," necessarily, but
> found the shoot-first-ask-no-questions-ever approach warmly familiar.

The Nazis were National Socialists, no different than Communists when it
came to controlling their subjects.

>> It was only the dictator Tito that held that mess together. Serbia is now
>> about where it should be, just another small Balkan state among many.
>
> Sure they have their issues over there, but they've had them for
> centuries -- same as the Irish had theirs amongst themselves! Ethinc/
> racial animosity is so over-rated: if it's not that, it would be
> something else.

You have to closely study the history of the ethnic groups to understand
what all the fuss is about. The Irish had issues with the Scotch-Irish,
settlers from Scotland who invaded Northern Ireland. They were interlopers
sponsored by the English and had no right to be there. Furthermore, they
were Protestant, not Roman Catholic. No wonder the Irish hated them.

>> You badly need a course of study in the history of this nation. You are
>> essentially a "Know-Nothing."
>
> Funny, that's actually what you are: an Know-Nothing Nativist, just
> like the Know-Nothing Nativists of old!

I am a Nativist all right because that is what makes the most sense if you
want to lead a peaceful life. Your Brave New World has never happened and it
never will. You for instance might be better off in the land of your
ancestors (China), where you would not have to put up with New York City
Blacks.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Prisoner at War]

On Nov 14, 9:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
> If that were true, it would have died out long ago. The masses need it and
> it probably would not hurt us either. Atheism has a very bad record in the
> 20th century (Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot - mass murderers all).

But atheism does not pretend to be a cure-all the way religion thinks
it is. That tyrants have been atheists is as incidental as that they
may have been vegetarians, womanizers, or short little fries. That
many popes, caliphs, and rabbis have been blood-thirsty parasites,
however, goes to the very heart of their claim as representatives of
God on earth.

> PW, I would not do even that if I were you. It is dangerous unless you know
> very well whom you are talking to.

Well, that's just how it is, dangerous or not. You forget that I do
not bother with helmets, after all!

> No, he made the big switch many years ago and is now very consistent in his
> views. He has his own website where you can see for yourself.

LOL! You mean like the Hillary who made a "big switch" from "many
years ago" and now has her own website where you can also see for
yourself?

My my my...the great Saint Ed taken in by the salesman of snake-oil
who used to sell him happy pills!

> The Nazis were National Socialists, no different than Communists when it
> came to controlling their subjects.

Indeed, and GEN Patton was correct in saying that the Nazis and
Commies were just like Repugs and 'Rats.

> You have to closely study the history of the ethnic groups to understand
> what all the fuss is about. The Irish had issues with the Scotch-Irish,
> settlers from Scotland who invaded Northern Ireland. They were interlopers
> sponsored by the English and had no right to be there. Furthermore, they
> were Protestant, not Roman Catholic. No wonder the Irish hated them.

IOW, the usual...like the old neighbors' complaint from "The Man Who
Would Be King" -- oh those people, they steal our cattle, they rape
our daughters, they piss downstream....

> I am a Nativist all right because that is what makes the most sense if you
> want to lead a peaceful life. Your Brave New World has never happened and it
> never will. You for instance might be better off in the land of your
> ancestors (China), where you would not have to put up with New York City
> Blacks.

That's like saying the Great Ed would have been better off as Pope in
Vatican City -- neither here nor there, as the Irish like to say in
that funny sing-song glide of theirs while collecting shamrocks....

You're a Nativist and nuts, and just like those Know-Nothing
Nativists of old, you will be nothing more than a curious footnote in
a worm-ridden volume on a dusty shelf behind a rusty door under a
decrepit depository on the far side of town in the middle of
nowhere....

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[marika]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:dsidnYuEUb4qNqbanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>
> I am a Nativist all right because that is what makes the most sense if you
> want to lead a peaceful life.

but you don't let anyone else lead a peaceful life

mk5000


"Threading tool not square to the hole.
Unless you have one of those new-fangled single-use BB axle sets,
re-threading to Italian could be much (fsvo much) less expensive."--datakoll

[Jym Dyer]

> Better a "racist pig" than a line-toeing moron!

=x= Why split hairs? You're both.

=x= "Har har! I spew racist epithets to show how
individual and unique I am." What a tool.
<_Jym_>

[Edward Dolan]

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:730de150-7b3a-4304-9a8f-21dc1f59ec31@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 14, 9:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If that were true, it would have died out long ago. The masses need it
>> and
>> it probably would not hurt us either. Atheism has a very bad record in
>> the
>> 20th century (Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot - mass murderers all).
>
> But atheism does not pretend to be a cure-all the way religion thinks
> it is. That tyrants have been atheists is as incidental as that they
> may have been vegetarians, womanizers, or short little fries. That
> many popes, caliphs, and rabbis have been blood-thirsty parasites,
> however, goes to the very heart of their claim as representatives of
> God on earth.

The atheists (tyrannical dictators like Hitler and Stalin) ) attempt to
create a new religion out of political ideology. Just another proof of how
the masses need religion. Better a traditional religion than a 'political
ideology' religion.

>> PW, I would not do even that if I were you. It is dangerous unless you
>> know
>> very well whom you are talking to.
>
> Well, that's just how it is, dangerous or not. You forget that I do
> not bother with helmets, after all!
>
>> No, he made the big switch many years ago and is now very consistent in
>> his
>> views. He has his own website where you can see for yourself.
>
> LOL! You mean like the Hillary who made a "big switch" from "many
> years ago" and now has her own website where you can also see for
> yourself?

Hillary is in big trouble because she is ruled by polls, just like Bill
Clinton was. I especially like George Bush because he is not ruled by polls.

> My my my...the great Saint Ed taken in by the salesman of snake-oil
> who used to sell him happy pills!

David Horowitz is one smart cookie!

>> The Nazis were National Socialists, no different than Communists when it
>> came to controlling their subjects.
>
> Indeed, and GEN Patton was correct in saying that the Nazis and
> Commies were just like Repugs and 'Rats.
>
>> You have to closely study the history of the ethnic groups to understand
>> what all the fuss is about. The Irish had issues with the Scotch-Irish,
>> settlers from Scotland who invade