Citric acid chain cleaning fluid

[datakoll]

Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
limes oranges ...

is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?

[A Muzi]

datakoll wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?

Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[landotter]

On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
>

I'd just take the smallest of sips to find out.

> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?

I like Mr. Clean classic, diluted 15:1 with tap water in a spray
bottle. Full strength, it's the only thing other than WD40 that can
clean the grease offa my range hood. It's so effective, it's gotta be
made from puppies.

[cyclingthings@gmail.com]

On Nov 17, 3:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...
>
> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?

you know what i have found that works great for the bike. stain
remover for clothes. it is mild enough so it does not damages the
finish and is great at removing greasy chains and gears
carlos
www.bikingthings.com
ride hard, get fit, be happy

[Werehatrack]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:50:36 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid?

First, if you're asking about Simple Green, it's not citrus-based at
all. In my experience, it's a poor chain cleaner. YMMV.

Second, citrus-based cleaning products use certain of the oils from
the peels, not the acid from the juice. These oils may have a fairly
low pH, but they do not contain citic acid, which is good because
citric acid would be a Bad Thing in a chain cleaner.

Third, if you're specifically asking about Park CB-2 Citrus Chain
Brite, yes it's citrus based but no it does not contain citric acid
(at least, not in an active concentration, if any.)

>as from citrus fruit lemons
>limes oranges ...

My understanding is that the principal source is orange peel, but
that's probably dirven by the fact that the principal citrus
production that generates peels as a waste product is from oranges
processed for juice.

>is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?

Some dedicated chain cleaners may be too aggressive at attacking paint
for safe use in a microwave. Several different spray general-purpose
citrus-based cleaners, on the other hand, work well for cleaning *my*
microwave oven. Park states that their CB-2 makes an excellent
all-purpose cleaner. I have not tried it.
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[landotter]

On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> limes oranges ...

As the volatility level of this religion thread is sub-par, I suggest
that people that don't lube with Dupont teflon/wax lube and clean
chains with Dawn dish soap and a tooth brush are deserving of being
thrown down the village well.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Nov 17, 3:22 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
> > Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> > limes oranges ...
> > is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
> it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
>

Tinfoil beanies putatively block "thought implants" from the evil
Color Institute! ;-)

[Jay]

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13jumiu2ch24ma5@corp.supernews.com...
> datakoll wrote:
>> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
>> limes oranges ...
>> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure it
> will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
steps to build your own AFDB:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html

J.

[Tom Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
>> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
>> limes oranges ...
>> is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
> it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.

See <http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

[still just me]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:28:32 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:

>> Most cleaning products don't use citric acid, rather turpenes from the
>> peels. Probably an effective surfactant for oil, grease, etc. Not sure
>> it will block microwaves but I'm told a tinfoil beanie helps for that.
>>
>
>Tinfoil beanies putatively block "thought implants" from the evil
>Color Institute! ;-)

Actually, the tinfoil hats attract and amplify the thought implant
waves. The implanters started that rumor about the hats!

[datakoll]

On Nov 18, 7:30 am, cyclingthi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 17, 3:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> > limes oranges ...
>
> > is the fluid useable for cleaning the microwave?
>
> you know what i have found that works great for the bike. stain
> remover for clothes. it is mild enough so it does not damages the
> finish and is great at removing greasy chains and gears
> carloswww.bikingthings.com
> ride hard, get fit, be happy

easy carlos, srain remiv er is usually nnnnnnnnnnnn hard on the
liver, kidneys and bipbipbipbippnervous system connections

[datakoll]

tinfoil hats.
there is an architectural approach with germanic roots states organic
building materials are best for developing a healthy, natural
relationship with the planet earth and your life on it or as hoped,
with it.
Re rod and concrete are negative to the earthen building material
approach causing reality deformation similar to living near hi tension
wires or transformer stations or in an Airstream.
What do tin foil hats have todo with cleaning the microwave with
Pedro's Best?

[Scott Gordo]

On Nov 18, 1:00 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> tinfoil hats.
> there is an architectural approach with germanic roots states organic
> building materials are best for developing a healthy, natural
> relationship with the planet earth and your life on it or as hoped,
> with it.
> Re rod and concrete are negative to the earthen building material
> approach causing reality deformation similar to living near hi tension
> wires or transformer stations or in an Airstream.
> What do tin foil hats have todo with cleaning the microwave with
> Pedro's Best?

My bicycle wheels are under tension. So are the bolts holding the bits
onto the frame. Should I be concerned about sleeping near them?

/s

[Paul Kopit]

Citric acid is a mild acid. In a cleaning application, it's good for
getting rid of lime deposits in something like an electric coffee
maker. Usually, used in a water solution, I'd think it useless to
harmful for a chain.

Look at food labels and you'll frequently see citric acid. It is a
mild acidulant that helps keep foods from getting molds.

[datakoll]

Of What is Simple Green composed?
Citric acid cleans bilges and ovens - see the hyperlink to the fed
site in previous posts.
Why would citric not clean chains?
The oil in orange peels is aromatic?
Why would the pulp contain citric acid and not the peel? A peel - pulp
barrier?
Do you know Amuzi? Is this a conspiracy forcing the turkey cooking in
a less than white microwave?
Orange juice from say Tropicana is a boiled, refined product. The
peels? I'll ask.
Picking oranges is really brutal labor. The guys doing it are tri
athlete level monkeys.
What brand citric sprays are used in 'your' neck of the woods?
Any guesses on spray's citric solution concentration? The label?
I'm taking a look at the Prestone radiator cleaner: first rate grease
remover. I remember PRC as free of other chemicals know to the State
of California to produce inedible turkey or chicken as it were.

Park's ?

[Werehatrack]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:02:52 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>Of What is Simple Green composed?

AFAIK, they aren't saying, and labelling requirements and trade secret
laws allow them to get away with that. They do, however, state that
their product is not citrus-based, and the last time I looked, they
even disparaged the citrus-based products.

>Citric acid cleans bilges and ovens - see the hyperlink to the fed
>site in previous posts.

That's for removing lime and corrosion deposits. This is not what you
get on a non-rusty chain. Acids, in general, are a very poor or even
damaging class of things to use in a situation where what you want to
remove is buildup of grease-entrained abrasives. (Trying to etch the
corrosion from a rusty chain is a recipe for failure in my direct
experience; every sample on which I have tried this has failed either
immediately or very soon after, without exception. My advice it DO
NOT use acids on a bike chain, period.)

>Why would citric not clean chains?

Citric acid is not going to emulsify the grease and carry it off the
chain, and it will etch the metal while it doesn't clean. Citrus
oils, on the other hand, are very good detergents and emulsifiers.
Learn the difference. They are not the same thing.

>The oil in orange peels is aromatic?

At least some of it.

>Why would the pulp contain citric acid and not the peel? A peel - pulp
>barrier?

Why does bone contain large amounts of calcium but not skin? They're
different parts of the structure. Biologic entities have varying
concentrations of the constituent substances that are part of their
makeup; this antientropic nature is part of being something living.

>Do you know Amuzi?

Nope.

>Is this a conspiracy forcing the turkey cooking in
>a less than white microwave?

No, that's due to the inherent variance in surface tension of skin
creams manufactured in Kazakhstan.

>Orange juice from say Tropicana is a boiled, refined product. The
>peels? I'll ask.
>Picking oranges is really brutal labor.

By comparison to sitting in an office chair, all agricultural activity
is brutal labor. So is car repair, carpentry, stonemasonry...the list
is endless. It's all relative.

>The guys doing it are tri
>athlete level monkeys.

Heh. Things must have changed, then.

>What brand citric sprays are used in 'your' neck of the woods?

Same things everybody else in the US can get, pretty much. Thanks to
VoldeMart and their ilk, the "local brand" is nearly gone.

>Any guesses on spray's citric solution concentration? The label?

What are you looking for here? Citric *what*? Acid? Usually none.
Oils? They don't have to say.

>I'm taking a look at the Prestone radiator cleaner: first rate grease
>remover.

Say what??? It used to be oxalic acid, but I suspect it's now citric;
the acid is not for grease or oil removal (if you have any substantial
amount of that in your radiator, you have bigger problems than are
going to eb solved by a rad cleaner) but for removal of carbonate
scale buildup on the inside of the rad tubes. There's a non-sudsing
detergent and emulsifying agent in it as well, which removes the small
amount of oil crud that is usually present...but the acids are there
to remove the corrosion and scale buildup, neither of which are
greasy. I wouldn't use it to clean a chain, period.

>I remember PRC as free of other chemicals know to the State
>of California to produce inedible turkey or chicken as it were.

The State of California causes cancer in lab rats. Don't store it in
your home.

>Park's ?

Same people who make the tools.


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[A Muzi]

datakoll wrote:
> Of What is Simple Green composed?
> Citric acid cleans bilges and ovens - see the hyperlink to the fed
> site in previous posts.
> Why would citric not clean chains?
> The oil in orange peels is aromatic?
> Why would the pulp contain citric acid and not the peel? A peel - pulp
> barrier?
> Do you know Amuzi? Is this a conspiracy forcing the turkey cooking in
> a less than white microwave?
> Orange juice from say Tropicana is a boiled, refined product. The
> peels? I'll ask.
> Picking oranges is really brutal labor. The guys doing it are tri
> athlete level monkeys.
> What brand citric sprays are used in 'your' neck of the woods?
> Any guesses on spray's citric solution concentration? The label?
> I'm taking a look at the Prestone radiator cleaner: first rate grease
> remover. I remember PRC as free of other chemicals know to the State
> of California to produce inedible turkey or chicken as it were.
>
> Park's ?

The term 'citrus cleaner' does not mean 'citric acid'.

Citrus fruits have citric acid in the juice but the peels have aromatic
turpenes (d-limonene?) which are a different animal!

If you peel an orange with filthy hands, the stuff squirting out of the
peel will clean them. Somebody noticed that, observed that peels are to
the juice business as leather is to meatpacking and a new industry was born!

Yes I worked near a Tropicana plant in Bradenton, quite a sight!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Werehatrack]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:08:49 -0800 (PST), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
>> limes oranges ...
>
>As the volatility level of this religion thread is sub-par, I suggest
>that people that don't lube with Dupont teflon/wax lube and clean
>chains with Dawn dish soap and a tooth brush are deserving of being
>thrown down the village well.

That's a recipe for getting strung up for polluting the water source.
You toss such philistines into the *privy*, not the well.
--
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[Michael Press]

In article
<77748972-d1b7-46c1-9200-9886c43dfb17@v4g2000hsf.google
groups.com>,
landotter <landotter@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> > limes oranges ...
>
> As the volatility level of this religion thread is sub-par, I suggest
> that people that don't lube with Dupont teflon/wax lube and clean
> chains with Dawn dish soap and a tooth brush are deserving of being
> thrown down the village well.

I clean my chains with liquid freon in a pressure vessel,
then vent the freon when they're clean. Trisodium phosphate
for most of my household cleaning chores. Lead acetate
paint because it is very white and durable.

--
Michael Press

How am I doing?
--Ed Koch

[datakoll]

the question evolves from a negative information position on chain
cleaning. I read users babbling about not destroying California's air
quality thru use of non-petroleum aka paint thinner solvents but
apparently due to fed or state failures forcing I don't know what non-
petroleum is...

However, I have used Prestone Rad Cleaner, another almost useless
ripoff from...
PRC as I experience it doesn't cleanoff lime deposits but does remove
the occasional blob of grease -there's one now right blo blob blob
just swimming there.

I don't see citrus "oils" here
I do read a combination of sodium citrated and citric acid.

I'll take your advice and not pour citrus products on the chain
but the microwave...? tryin to remove the Russet's degassed residual
blood brain barrier

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Chemical Information
Chemical Name: Sodium citrate (Trisodium citrate)
CAS Registry Number: 000068-04-2
Synonyms: 1,2,3-Propanetricarboxylic acid, 2-hydroxy-, trisodium salt;
Citric acid, trisodium salt; Sodium citrate; Sodium citrate anhydrous;
Trisodium citrate

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Products that contain this ingredient
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[landotter]

On Nov 19, 2:05 am, Werehatrack <raul...@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:08:49 -0800 (PST), landotter
>
> <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 17, 2:50 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Is green chain cleaning fluid citric acid? as from citrus fruit lemons
> >> limes oranges ...
>
> >As the volatility level of this religion thread is sub-par, I suggest
> >that people that don't lube with Dupont teflon/wax lube and clean
> >chains with Dawn dish soap and a tooth brush are deserving of being
> >thrown down the village well.
>
> That's a recipe for getting strung up for polluting the water source.
> You toss such philistines into the *privy*, not the well.

Nah, then they'd end up being like the NYC squeegee dudes. As you
finished your business, they'd Windex ya like some sort of amalgam
between a Japanese luxe toilet and medieval riff raff, then demand a
copper.

[datakoll]

On Nov 19, 8:13 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> the question evolves from a negative information position on chain
> cleaning. I read users babbling about not destroying California's air
> quality thru use of non-petroleum aka paint thinner solvents but
> apparently due to fed or state failures forcing I don't know what non-
> petroleum is...
>
> However, I have used Prestone Rad Cleaner, another almost useless
> ripoff from...
> PRC as I experience it doesn't cleanoff lime deposits but does remove
> the occasional blob of grease -there's one now right blo blob blob
> just swimming there.
>
> I don't see citrus "oils" here
> I do read a combination of sodium citrated and citric acid.
>
> I'll take your advice and not pour citrus products on the chain
> but the microwave...? tryin to remove the Russet's degassed residual
> blood brain barrier
>
> Search as Ingredient in All Product CategoriesAuto ProductsHome
> InsidePesticidesLandscape/YardPersonal Care/UseHome MaintenanceHobby/
> CraftPet CareHome Office
>
> Chemical Information
> Chemical Name: Sodium citrate (Trisodium citrate)
> CAS Registry Number: 000068-04-2
> Synonyms: 1,2,3-Propanetricarboxylic acid, 2-hydroxy-, trisodium salt;
> Citric acid, trisodium salt; Sodium citrate; Sodium citrate anhydrous;
> Trisodium citrate
>
> Information from other National Library of Medicine databases
> Health Studies: Human Health Effects from Hazardous Substances Data
> Bank (HSDB)
> Toxicity Information: Search TOXNET
> Chemical Information: Search ChemIDplus
>
> Products that contain this ingredient
> Brand Category Form Percent
> Prestone Cooling System 10 Minute Flush Auto products liquid 5-10

oh yeah - oxalic acid is a soap. Trisodium citrate is a soap?
Trisodium phospate is a soap so...
off course the feds are telling ups PRC contains the above but not
revealing what other poison's are in there apart from water CE

[Ben C]

On 2007-11-19, datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote:
> the question evolves from a negative information position on chain
> cleaning. I read users babbling about not destroying California's air
> quality thru use of non-petroleum aka paint thinner solvents

Don't worry about that. You use so little to clean a chain it makes no
difference.

[...]
> I don't see citrus "oils" here
> I do read a combination of sodium citrated and citric acid.
>
> I'll take your advice and not pour citrus products on the chain
> but the microwave...? tryin to remove the Russet's degassed residual
> blood brain barrier

Use bleach on the microwave. Clean chains with kerosene, diesel, paint
thinner or white spirit, it's much cheaper than that silly citrus stuff.

Now what about using "unleaded gas"? Got to be careful not to set
yourself on fire, but the good thing is it would evaporate quickly off
the chain after cleaning and not dissolve the new coating of Finish Line
you're about to put on.

[Werehatrack]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:13:01 -0800 (PST), datakoll
<datakoll@yahoo.com> may have said:

>the question evolves from a negative information position on chain
>cleaning. I read users babbling about not destroying California's air
>quality thru use of non-petroleum aka paint thinner solvents but
>apparently due to fed or state failures forcing I don't know what non-
>petroleum is...
>
>However, I have used Prestone Rad Cleaner, another almost useless
>ripoff from...
>PRC as I experience it doesn't cleanoff lime deposits but does remove
>the occasional blob of grease -there's one now right blo blob blob
>just swimming there.
>
>I don't see citrus "oils" here
>I do read a combination of sodium citrated and citric acid.
>
>I'll take your advice and not pour citrus products on the chain
>but the microwave...? tryin to remove the Russet's degassed residual
>blood brain barrier
>
>Search as Ingredient in All Product CategoriesAuto ProductsHome
>InsidePesticidesLandscape/YardPersonal Care/UseHome MaintenanceHobby/
>CraftPet CareHome Office
>
>Chemical Information
>Chemical Name: Sodium citrate (Trisodium citrate)
>CAS Registry Number: 000068-04-2
>Synonyms: 1,2,3-Propanetricarboxylic acid, 2-hydroxy-, trisodium salt;
>Citric acid, trisodium salt; Sodium citrate; Sodium citrate anhydrous;
>Trisodium citrate
>
>Information from other National Library of Medicine databases
>Health Studies: Human Health Effects from Hazardous Substances Data
>Bank (HSDB)
>Toxicity Information: Search TOXNET
>Chemical Information: Search ChemIDplus
>
>
>
>
>
>Products that contain this ingredient
>Brand Category Form Percent
>Prestone Cooling System 10 Minute Flush Auto products liquid 5-10

Sodium citrate evolves into an acidic solution in water, and will
attack both lime scale and certain other unwanted cooling system
contaminants without seriously attacking either aluminum or cast iron
if used as per the label instructions. Pour it in an leav it there
for a week, however, and you'll be buying some expensive replacement
parts. As for its usefulness as a soap, if it's doing that for you,
look for the reason; it's not in the sodium citrate. Yes, there's a
surfactant/dispersant package in the rad cleaner to assist in making
sure the citrate does what it's intended to do. Since this product is
not intended to be used on people or animals, they don't have to
reveal everything that's in there...so they don't. It's the wrong
stuff to use on a chain. There are other things that are going to do
the job much better. If you really want to see how well that rad
cleaner works at getting greasy crud off, take an old chain and
"clean" it with the rad cleaner, and then repeat the process using a
real grease remover such as a solvent, butyl-based cleaner or
citrus-based cleaner.


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[datakoll]

On Nov 19, 11:43 am, Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 18, 1:00 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > tinfoil hats.
> > there is an architectural approach with germanic roots states organic
> > building materials are best for developing a healthy, natural
> > relationship with the planet earth and your life on it or as hoped,
> > with it.
> > Re rod and concrete are negative to the earthen building material
> > approach causing reality deformation similar to living near hi tension
> > wires or transformer stations or in an Airstream.
> > What do tin foil hats have todo with cleaning the microwave with
> > Pedro's Best?
>
> My bicycle wheels are under tension. So are the bolts holding the bits
> onto the frame. Should I be concerned about sleeping near them?
>
> /s

not if the karma is good: cycle wheels may parallel prayer wheels.

[Tom Sherman]

Scott Gordo wrote:
>
> My bicycle wheels are under tension. So are the bolts holding the bits
> onto the frame. Should I be concerned about sleeping near them?

Your bicycle will be happier if kept in your bedroom. This one currently
resides in mine:
<http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2314/1940444786_21610222bf.jpg?v=0>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

[datakoll]

On Nov 19, 3:16 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
> > Of What is Simple Green composed?
> > Citric acid cleans bilges and ovens - see the hyperlink to the fed
> > site in previous posts.
> > Why would citric not clean chains?
> > The oil in orange peels is aromatic?
> > Why would the pulp contain citric acid and not the peel? A peel - pulp
> > barrier?
> > Do you know Amuzi? Is this a conspiracy forcing the turkey cooking in
> > a less than white microwave?
> > Orange juice from say Tropicana is a boiled, refined product. The
> > peels? I'll ask.
> > Picking oranges is really brutal labor. The guys doing it are tri
> > athlete level monkeys.
> > What brand citric sprays are used in 'your' neck of the woods?
> > Any guesses on spray's citric solution concentration? The label?
> > I'm taking a look at the Prestone radiator cleaner: first rate grease
> > remover. I remember PRC as free of other chemicals know to the State
> > of California to produce inedible turkey or chicken as it were.
>
> > Park's ?
>
> The term 'citrus cleaner' does not mean 'citric acid'.
>
> Citrus fruits have citric acid in the juice but the peels have aromatic
> turpenes (d-limonene?) which are a different animal!
>
> If you peel an orange with filthy hands, the stuff squirting out of the
> peel will clean them. Somebody noticed that, observed that peels are to
> the juice business as leather is to meatpacking and a new industry was born!
>
> Yes I worked near a Tropicana plant in Bradenton, quite a sight!
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

tropicana boasts its own railroad yard

[datakoll]

On Nov 19, 4:44 pm, Werehatrack <raul...@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:13:01 -0800 (PST), datakoll
> <datak...@yahoo.com> may have said:
>
>
>
>
>
> >the question evolves from a negative information position on chain
> >cleaning. I read users babbling about not destroying California's air
> >quality thru use of non-petroleum aka paint thinner solvents but
> >apparently due to fed or state failures forcing I don't know what non-
> >petroleum is...
>
> >However, I have used Prestone Rad Cleaner, another almost useless
> >ripoff from...
> >PRC as I experience it doesn't cleanoff lime deposits but does remove
> >the occasional blob of grease -there's one now right blo blob blob
> >just swimming there.
>
> >I don't see citrus "oils" here
> >I do read a combination of sodium citrated and citric acid.
>
> >I'll take your advice and not pour citrus products on the chain
> >but the microwave...? tryin to remove the Russet's degassed residual
> >blood brain barrier
>
> >Search as Ingredient in All Product CategoriesAuto ProductsHome
> >InsidePesticidesLandscape/YardPersonal Care/UseHome MaintenanceHobby/
> >CraftPet CareHome Office
>
> >Chemical Information
> >Chemical Name: Sodium citrate (Trisodium citrate)
> >CAS Registry Number: 000068-04-2
> >Synonyms: 1,2,3-Propanetricarboxylic acid, 2-hydroxy-, trisodium salt;
> >Citric acid, trisodium salt; Sodium citrate; Sodium citrate anhydrous;
> >Trisodium citrate
>
> >Information from other National Library of Medicine databases
> >Health Studies: Human Health Effects from Hazardous Substances Data
> >Bank (HSDB)
> >Toxicity Information: Search TOXNET
> >Chemical Information: Search ChemIDplus
>
> >Products that contain this ingredient
> >Brand Category Form Percent
> >Prestone Cooling System 10 Minute Flush Auto products liquid 5-10
>
> Sodium citrate evolves into an acidic solution in water, and will
> attack both lime scale and certain other unwanted cooling system
> contaminants without seriously attacking either aluminum or cast iron
> if used as per the label instructions. Pour it in an leav it there
> for a week, however, and you'll be buying some expensive replacement
> parts. As for its usefulness as a soap, if it's doing that for you,
> look for the reason; it's not in the sodium citrate. Yes, there's a
> surfactant/dispersant package in the rad cleaner to assist in making
> sure the citrate does what it's intended to do. Since this product is
> not intended to be used on people or animals, they don't have to
> reveal everything that's in there...so they don't. It's the wrong
> stuff to use on a chain. There are other things that are going to do
> the job much better. If you really want to see how well that rad
> cleaner works at getting greasy crud off, take an old chain and
> "clean" it with the rad cleaner, and then repeat the process using a
> real grease remover such as a solvent, butyl-based cleaner or
> citrus-based cleaner.
>
> --
> My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
> Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
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> - Show quoted text -

Again, i wuz trying to gain a cleaner from your knowledge and have.
thanks!
Oxalic and the sodium citrates may be more surfactant than emulsifier.
These soaps are used as industrial cleaners: a roll of fabric is
looped onto roolers insode a kettke, boilling water and oxalic is
added and the fabric cooked and washed thru the mix.
Googling has the answers to all these questions, and the necessary
vocabulary, but microwave cleaning is recommended as boiling acidic
lemon juice solution in the oven creating an acidic fog.
Too slow for the advanced state brown film left by the flaming potato.
I will look for starch/paper cleaners.
It is, again guessing, improbable the orange rind does not contain a
high citric acid compound component nor the seed or ...any structure
in there. I have read the lemon oil cleaner is BS, that lemon scent is
lemon scent not lemon scent cleaner.

[datakoll]

On Nov 19, 6:44 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 4:44 pm, Werehatrack <raul...@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:13:01 -0800 (PST), datakoll
> > <datak...@yahoo.com> may have said:
>
> > >the question evolves from a negative information position on chain
> > >cleaning. I read users babbling about not destroying California's air
> > >quality thru use of non-petroleum aka paint thinner solvents but
> > >apparently due to fed or state failures forcing I don't know what non-
> > >petroleum is...
>
> > >However, I have used Prestone Rad Cleaner, another almost useless
> > >ripoff from...
> > >PRC as I experience it doesn't cleanoff lime deposits but does remove
> > >the occasional blob of grease -there's one now right blo blob blob
> > >just swimming there.
>
> > >I don't see citrus "oils" here
> > >I do read a combination of sodium citrated and citric acid.
>
> > >I'll take your advice and not pour citrus products on the chain
> > >but the microwave...? tryin to remove the Russet's degassed residual
> > >blood brain barrier
>
> > >Search as Ingredient in All Product CategoriesAuto ProductsHome
> > >InsidePesticidesLandscape/YardPersonal Care/UseHome MaintenanceHobby/
> > >CraftPet CareHome Office
>
> > >Chemical Information
> > >Chemical Name: Sodium citrate (Trisodium citrate)
> > >CAS Registry Number: 000068-04-2
> > >Synonyms: 1,2,3-Propanetricarboxylic acid, 2-hydroxy-, trisodium salt;
> > >Citric acid, trisodium salt; Sodium citrate; Sodium citrate anhydrous;
> > >Trisodium citrate
>
> > >Information from other National Library of Medicine databases
> > >Health Studies: Human Health Effects from Hazardous Substances Data
> > >Bank (HSDB)
> > >Toxicity Information: Search TOXNET
> > >Chemical Information: Search ChemIDplus
>
> > >Products that contain this ingredient
> > >Brand Category Form Percent
> > >Prestone Cooling System 10 Minute Flush Auto products liquid 5-10
>
> > Sodium citrate evolves into an acidic solution in water, and will
> > attack both lime scale and certain other unwanted cooling system
> > contaminants without seriously attacking either aluminum or cast iron
> > if used as per the label instructions. Pour it in an leav it there
> > for a week, however, and you'll be buying some expensive replacement
> > parts. As for its usefulness as a soap, if it's doing that for you,
> > look for the reason; it's not in the sodium citrate. Yes, there's a
> > surfactant/dispersant package in the rad cleaner to assist in making
> > sure the citrate does what it's intended to do. Since this product is
> > not intended to be used on people or animals, they don't have to
> > reveal everything that's in there...so they don't. It's the wrong
> > stuff to use on a chain. There are other things that are going to do
> > the job much better. If you really want to see how well that rad
> > cleaner works at getting greasy crud off, take an old chain and
> > "clean" it with the rad cleaner, and then repeat the process using a
> > real grease remover such as a solvent, butyl-based cleaner or
> > citrus-based cleaner.
>
> > --
> > My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
> > Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
> > Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Again, i wuz trying to gain a cleaner from your knowledge and have.
> thanks!
> Oxalic and the sodium citrates may be more surfactant than emulsifier.
> These soaps are used as industrial cleaners: a roll of fabric is
> looped onto roolers insode a kettke, boilling water and oxalic is
> added and the fabric cooked and washed thru the mix.
> Googling has the answers to all these questions, and the necessary
> vocabulary, but microwave cleaning is recommended as boiling acidic
> lemon juice solution in the oven creating an acidic fog.
> Too slow for the advanced state brown film left by the flaming potato.
> I will look for starch/paper cleaners.
> It is, again guessing, improbable the orange rind does not contain a
> high citric acid compound component nor the seed or ...any structure
> in there. I have read the lemon oil cleaner is BS, that lemon scent is
> lemon scent not lemon scent cleaner.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

aha! a breif search for oragne peel chemistry reminds the squozure is
flammable! literature also states peel extract is toxic.