Re: What a disappointment

[Edward Dolan]

"Jon" <jonmein@none.non> wrote in message
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> "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote
>> On Nov 14, 5:00 pm, "tam" <tpsc12...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Logged on to this group for recumbent news/info.
>>> How sad it seems to be full of non-recumbenting trolls.
>>
>> Sii-ii-ii-iigh... here we go again. Yes, Tam, Virginia
>> and all the other folks who peek in at ARBR to see if
>> things might be getting a little bit better. Well, the
>> simple answer is: Sorry, no, not yet. The trouble with
>> ARBR - to borrow a phrase - is still the TROLL.
>
> If 'better" for ARBR is more topical content then the only thing that
> facilitate that is more on-topic posts. Simply checking in, telling
> us that the state of the newsgroup is [still] a disappointment, and
> then disapperaing won't change any thing. Why not stick around
> to contribute more of what you'd like to see?
>
> Troll for recumbent content!
>
> Jon

This forlorn character is Jon Meinecke, a former stalwart member on ARBR. He
left us about a year ago in disgust, no doubt overcome by all the rancorous
discourse that this group seems prone to. But still he is right. All anyone
ever has to do is post recumbent content and no one will bother you. It is
only when you get off-topic that Ed Dolan the Great is likely to become
riled.

Jon Meinecke is the only member of ARBR whom I would ever have trusted to be
the moderator for this group. However, he needed to step up to the plate
when Ed Gin was doing his thing on ARBR some time ago. Ed Gin was the
criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR. It needn't have happened if
everyone hadn't been so cowardly!

Ed Dolan the Great is here merely to keep the place cleansed of liberal
scofflaws. Saint Edward the Great only shows up when moral matters are
broached. He is a Great Saint and has no tolerance for sinful thoughts,
words or deeds here on ARBR.

Other than that, go at it. Ed Dolan the Great has a minimal interest in the
subject of recumbents, feeling that he knows all and tells nothing. In fact,
be thankful that I expound so little on recumbent subjects as I am just as
contentious there as I am everywhere else in life. Just ask Tom Sherman if
you don't believe me.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote in message
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> Tom Keats (unpoetically) asked:
>
>>I've heard of women recumbent riders, but I've never
>>seen any. Whuzzup with that?
>
> This reply isn't cross-posted, and I doubt that (the
> other?) Tom will read it. I can certainly understand
> him taking offense that the TROLL has such low regard
> for Usenetiquette, perhaps even that he might be hurt
> by the TROLL's repetitious (but thoroughly unconvincing)
> claims of expertise in the works of Byron, while ignoring
> Tom's namesake.

If I were Wayne of Ventura I would never crosspost to any other newsgroup
either. He knows no one but a few other nerds like Peter Clinch of Dundee,
Scotland (he is an IT Officer no less) will ever read his messages on ARBR,
so he is safe as long as he stays there. I on the other hand to not wish to
deprive the denizens of these honorable cycling newsgroups (plural) of my
precious words of wisdom, so that is why they receive my messages. I know
they are eternally grateful even though they will never admit as much. They
are all modest and humble folks (like Tom Keats, a working stiff on the
docks of Old Vancouver) as befits their lowly station in life.

Keats (the Irish poet) is much more readable than Lord Byron. In fact, Lord
Byron was an insufferable bore if truth be told, but it happened to be the
one book of complete poetry that was available to me while I was a kid for
some strange reason. I am absolutely positive that no one in their right
mind reads Lord Byron anymore.
[...]

> However, in support of Peter's protest:
>
>>In the flesh I know a couple more.
>
> and for whatever benefit or interest it brings to ARBR
> readers, women really aren't that much of a rarity in
> our local recumbent group. There's only one that I would
> risk public acknowledgement of 'knowing' "in the flesh",
> but roughly a third of our local recumbent group are
> seriously testosterone impaired. We have single females
> as well as some who are married to or otherwise involved
> with partners who cycle, and it's not even unusual for
> a woman to be more enthusiastic about riding than her
> 'partner'.

That is because women know how to appreciate comfort! Men are just stupid
enough to think you have to suffer in order to engage in a sport.

> If photographic illustration can help anyone who wants
> to refute limited observations and/or ridiculous
> assumptions in this kind of argument or question by
> folks like Tom (or TROLLS, but why bother?), it can be
> found on our website:
>
> http://www.vcrr.org/news.htm

If you go to his website you will also no doubt be confronted with Wayne's
doggerel verse about piss, **** and ****. Go there at your peril! I wouldn't
be caught dead there myself. Also, I wouldn't put a virus or two for your
trouble beyond this particular miscreant. As everyone knows, California is
just chock full of trash people and Wayne of Ventura is certainly one of
them.

> Click on the 'MORE PIX' buttons to see snapshots taken
> on our last few group rides.
>
> Seriously, my personal spin on this whole issue is that
> recumbents are more expensive than 'roughly equivalent'
> uprights, and in general, as an exaggerated stereotype,
> I find men are much less reluctant to spend big bucks for
> technological advances in hobby equipment than women are.

What follows does not jibe with what has come before!

> A female cyclist is simply more apt to 'make do' with her
> old diamond frame, while a male may be totally gung ho
> for any excuse to splurge on a new toy.

Wayne of Ventura has got that exactly backwards just as he has everything
else under the sun. Women are reluctant to throw away money on an expensive
bike, whereas most men never give the matter a second thought. Men are dumb
enough to think that you get what you pay for, although Wayne of Ventura
proves them wrong every time they purchase anything from him. But mostly he
does not have any paying customers. Others hang out at his trike shop
because they enjoy the company of a failed poet like him. He would soon be
out of business if he were located in Minnesota. His verse about piss, ****
and **** would not fly here.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"tam" <tpsc12248@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:G5l0j.284288$lV4.153667@fe2.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> When someone asks me about something of mine, (bike, homemade belt
>> buckle, camera, etc) I consider it a compliment that they want to talk to
>> me. Maybe I'm just lonely. Why don't you hang a "Do Not Disturb" sign on
>> your trike, along with the list of answers to FAQ? :-)
>
> I see you have no experience of continental triking.
> When triking in a large city in Europe people of all ages and types are
> verrrrrry interested in trikes.
> Its probably the first one they have seen.
> When you get asked the same questions 15 times in one day-including
> interupting your meal in a restaurant- it gets wearing.
> I am always polite and answer all their questions.
> I would not hang a do not disturb sign on my trike I am a well brought up
> Scot-but-its as well to be warned-owners of trikes are going to get a lot
> of attention.
> Tam

Tam has got it about right. It is rude to be unfriendly to strangers who are
only interested in your trike - or possibly even you for being on such a
strange contraption. However, there are all kinds of shortcuts you can take
in your conversation with strangers. Mostly, they do not want to know all
that much anyway. A minute or two is all that it takes out of your life.
Where are you going in such a hurry that you can't talk to a stranger?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Keats]

In article <lrmdnfjpELAZVqLanZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>
> Ed Dolan the Great is here merely to keep the place cleansed of liberal
> scofflaws. Saint Edward the Great only shows up when moral matters are
> broached. He is a Great Saint and has no tolerance for sinful thoughts,
> words or deeds here on ARBR.

Y'mean like daring to ride a /real/ bicycle?

Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?

I see lots o' women riding normal bikes. Sometimes
I even get to socially interact with them, in a
"small talk" sort of way -- usually at stoplines &
stoplights.

But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
shy, underconfident nerds?


cheers,
Tom

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[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tq3qhf.ba4.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <lrmdnfjpELAZVqLanZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great is here merely to keep the place cleansed of liberal
>> scofflaws. Saint Edward the Great only shows up when moral matters are
>> broached. He is a Great Saint and has no tolerance for sinful thoughts,
>> words or deeds here on ARBR.
>
> Y'mean like daring to ride a /real/ bicycle?

You have to pedal a recumbent just like you do a real bicycle. I rode
uprights for 15 years until my body gave out.

> Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
> but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?

Such creatures are rather few and far between.. Most that I have seen have
fathers who are into recumbents and they manage to get their daughters onto
them, at least for awhile.

> I see lots o' women riding normal bikes. Sometimes
> I even get to socially interact with them, in a
> "small talk" sort of way -- usually at stoplines &
> stoplights.

Do any week long organized group bike tour and there will be 5 males for
every female. Women are not much into cycling if truth be told. They just
don't enjoy it like we do.

> But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
> men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
> if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
> talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
> shy, underconfident nerds?

Many recumbent cyclists are quite friendly and will talk to anyone at the
drop of a hat. But others are jerks I must admit. I believe all of the
latter are posting to ARBR where I have to deal with them on a regular
basis. However, a lot of the grumpiness just comes from old age. We
recumbent cyclists tend to be senior citizens. It is quite rare when you see
anyone under the age of 40 on a recumbent.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Peter Clinch]

Tom Keats wrote:

> Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
> but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?

You're in the wrong place, obviously...

Pete (married to a recumbent riding woman).
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[Tom Sherman]

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <lrmdnfjpELAZVqLanZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>> Ed Dolan the Great is here merely to keep the place cleansed of liberal
>> scofflaws. Saint Edward the Great only shows up when moral matters are
>> broached. He is a Great Saint and has no tolerance for sinful thoughts,
>> words or deeds here on ARBR.
>
> Y'mean like daring to ride a /real/ bicycle?
>
> Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
> but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?

The percentage of women recumbent riders is about the same as women club
riders, invitational riders and racers (at least here in the Upper
Midwest) - that is, rather low.

> I see lots o' women riding normal bikes. Sometimes
> I even get to socially interact with them, in a
> "small talk" sort of way -- usually at stoplines &
> stoplights.

Many women get tired of being "hit on", so I never initiate the
conversation while riding, unless it is someone I already know.

> But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
> men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
> if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
> talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
> shy, underconfident nerds?

Many upright riders would rather pretend that recumbents do not exist,
so I will not hinder their attempt (in real life - Usenet is different).
N.b. to Jobst Brandt.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

[Tom Keats]

In article <5qd00tFv2d3qU2@mid.individual.net>,
Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
>> but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?
>
> You're in the wrong place, obviously...

I'm in RBM. Ed Dolan (Deity bless his ****-disturbing
ass) crossposted from ARBR to here.

> Pete (married to a recumbent riding woman).

I'm sure your recumbent riding wife is a
mainstay to you, and I wish both of you a
furthermore long & happy relationship.

How many other recumbent riding women do you
get to see per diem?

klahowya,
Tom

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[Peter Clinch]

Tom Keats wrote:

> How many other recumbent riding women do you
> get to see per diem?

In the pages of Ligfiets& there are usually quite a few (although still
a clear minority). In the flesh I know a couple more. OTOH, amongst
serious roadies they're a clear minority too, and in terms of
proportions I wouldn't be surprised if they were similar.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fhtea2$d6s$3@registered.motzarella.org...
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <lrmdnfjpELAZVqLanZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>> Ed Dolan the Great is here merely to keep the place cleansed of liberal
>>> scofflaws. Saint Edward the Great only shows up when moral matters are
>>> broached. He is a Great Saint and has no tolerance for sinful thoughts,
>>> words or deeds here on ARBR.
>>
>> Y'mean like daring to ride a /real/ bicycle?
>>
>> Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
>> but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?
>
> The percentage of women recumbent riders is about the same as women club
> riders, invitational riders and racers (at least here in the Upper
> Midwest) - that is, rather low.
>
>> I see lots o' women riding normal bikes. Sometimes
>> I even get to socially interact with them, in a
>> "small talk" sort of way -- usually at stoplines &
>> stoplights.
>
> Many women get tired of being "hit on", so I never initiate the
> conversation while riding, unless it is someone I already know.

I see at least that Tom Sherman is a gentleman around women. I will normally
only approach a woman on a recumbent if I am interested in her bike, and
then ever so briefly. Some men are such slobs that they actually think women
WANT to talk to them. Let's face it, if you were a woman, would you want to
talk to a man uninvited? I think not!

>> But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
>> men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
>> if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
>> talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
>> shy, underconfident nerds?
>
> Many upright riders would rather pretend that recumbents do not exist, so
> I will not hinder their attempt (in real life - Usenet is different). N.b.
> to Jobst Brandt.

When I was happy riding my various uprights, I never paid any attention to
recumbents either. It was not until I was hurting all over after a hard days
bike ride that I began to get interested in recumbents.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Keats]

In article <fhtea2$d6s$3@registered.motzarella.org>,
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:

>> I see lots o' women riding normal bikes. Sometimes
>> I even get to socially interact with them, in a
>> "small talk" sort of way -- usually at stoplines &
>> stoplights.
>
> Many women get tired of being "hit on", so I never initiate the
> conversation while riding, unless it is someone I already know.

It's not a matter of hitting on anybody. The women are
often the conversation initiators. I guess it's just the
typical gregariousness of cyclists at play. And my main
bike is quite identifiable, so I guess I'm getting to be
a known quantity and a familiar sight on Vancouver streets.

>> But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
>> men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
>> if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
>> talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
>> shy, underconfident nerds?
>
> Many upright riders would rather pretend that recumbents do not exist,
> so I will not hinder their attempt (in real life - Usenet is different).
> N.b. to Jobst Brandt.

I "get" that it's the other way around -- the local
recumbent riders here are off in their own private
Idahos, and seem to turn their noses up at upright
riders. But I guess that's only natural, since we
tower over 'em :-)

Maybe if I attended a CM ride I could get to meet &
socialize with some recumbent riders. Maybe even
some women recumbent riders.


cheers,
Tom

--
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I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[still just me]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:46:42 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <lrmdnfjpELAZVqLanZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>> Ed Dolan the Great is here merely to keep the place cleansed of liberal
>>> scofflaws. Saint Edward the Great only shows up when moral matters are
>>> broached. He is a Great Saint and has no tolerance for sinful thoughts,
>>> words or deeds here on ARBR.
>>
>> Y'mean like daring to ride a /real/ bicycle?
>>
>> Y'know what? I've heard of women recumbent riders,
>> but I've never seen any. Whuzzup with that?
>
>The percentage of women recumbent riders is about the same as women club
>riders, invitational riders and racers (at least here in the Upper
>Midwest) - that is, rather low.
>
>> I see lots o' women riding normal bikes. Sometimes
>> I even get to socially interact with them, in a
>> "small talk" sort of way -- usually at stoplines &
>> stoplights.
>
>Many women get tired of being "hit on", so I never initiate the
>conversation while riding, unless it is someone I already know.

Well, it is possible to have a conversation and not "hit on" a woman.
You can also have a conversation and find out if you have anything in
common and then just ask someone if they want to meet you for coffee
or whatever. That's not "hitting", it's just "meeting". They accept or
decline, life goes on.

Most women actually like to be hit on, they just don't like to admit
it. It's flattering. But that's because tradition tells them that it's
wrong to say "yes" too often and also many are a little reserved. Even
when they say no, they sometimes later regret it. Alternately, they
also like to take note of guys who were to lame to even ask. (Ur
damned if you do, and damned if you don't!) Talk to some single women
you don't plan to ever hit on and ask them about it, it's
enlightening.

They do seem to be less receptive when running, riding, etc... I think
they feel more vulnerable when out on their own and are less likely to
socialize. A buddy of mine has a theory that women don't feel
particularly attractive when all hot and sweaty in funky clothes
without their hair and makeup done and their head's in a different
place. I don't know that I subscribe to that but they are more
reluctant.

>> But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
>> men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
>> if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
>> talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
>> shy, underconfident nerds?
>
>Many upright riders would rather pretend that recumbents do not exist,
>so I will not hinder their attempt (in real life - Usenet is different).
>N.b. to Jobst Brandt.

'bent riders are at the wrong height to converse, and they are all
men, so who needs it! But, I find the jersey riders even more
anti-social - they won't even acknowledge the presence of us non
jersey, non carbon, non team color riders.

[Peter Clinch]

still just me wrote:

> Well, it is possible to have a conversation and not "hit on" a woman.
> You can also have a conversation and find out if you have anything in
> common and then just ask someone if they want to meet you for coffee
> or whatever. That's not "hitting", it's just "meeting". They accept or
> decline, life goes on.

Or (sorry if this sounds a bit radical...) you could just exchange
greetings and minor pleasantries of the sort that just oil the world on
its way, irrespective of the sex of the other rider! You could think of
the other rider as "person on bike" rather than "man" or "woman"...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[Jon]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> 'bent riders are at the wrong height to converse,

Perhaps a low racer recumbent side-by-side with an 'ordinary' might present
a
challenge to easily audible exchanges. But for less extreme combinations,
many of us manage conversation quite well while riding in "mixed" groups
of uprights and recumbents...

I'm not a "frame-ist." Some of my best friends ride uprights... %^)

Jon

[Edward Dolan]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e1k5k39fr16nbse2ms93o67kiigh0289f2@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:46:42 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>>Many women get tired of being "hit on", so I never initiate the
>>conversation while riding, unless it is someone I already know.
>
> Well, it is possible to have a conversation and not "hit on" a woman.
> You can also have a conversation and find out if you have anything in
> common and then just ask someone if they want to meet you for coffee
> or whatever. That's not "hitting", it's just "meeting". They accept or
> decline, life goes on.

If you do the latter, then you are hitting on a woman, you blockhead! You
need to have your ass kicked!

> Most women actually like to be hit on, they just don't like to admit
> it. It's flattering. But that's because tradition tells them that it's
> wrong to say "yes" too often and also many are a little reserved. Even
> when they say no, they sometimes later regret it. Alternately, they
> also like to take note of guys who were to lame to even ask. (Ur
> damned if you do, and damned if you don't!) Talk to some single women
> you don't plan to ever hit on and ask them about it, it's
> enlightening.

What the hell makes you think any woman is flattered to be approached by a
male stranger. Men are dangerous to women, something that all women seem to
know from inception. SJM is not only an idiot, but he is a self-serving fool
besides. Imagine this dolt thinking that a woman would enjoy talking to him
uninvited. I can assure him absolutely that there is no woman in this world
who would ever want to talk to him about anything - except to tell him to
get lost! If you want to talk to a woman so ****ing bad, talk to your own
god damn wife, why don't you?

> They do seem to be less receptive when running, riding, etc... I think
> they feel more vulnerable when out on their own and are less likely to
> socialize. A buddy of mine has a theory that women don't feel
> particularly attractive when all hot and sweaty in funky clothes
> without their hair and makeup done and their head's in a different
> place. I don't know that I subscribe to that but they are more
> reluctant.

Women are vulnerable when approached by any male that they do not know in a
social situation that is not structured. Sociology 101.

>>> But the few recumbent riders I encounter are always
>>> men, and they don't wanna talk to anybody. I dunno
>>> if they're antisocial, or just too embarrassed to
>>> talk to anybody. Or maybe they're just a bunch of
>>> shy, underconfident nerds?
>>
>>Many upright riders would rather pretend that recumbents do not exist,
>>so I will not hinder their attempt (in real life - Usenet is different).
>>N.b. to Jobst Brandt.
>
> 'bent riders are at the wrong height to converse, and they are all
> men, so who needs it! But, I find the jersey riders even more
> anti-social - they won't even acknowledge the presence of us non
> jersey, non carbon, non team color riders.

Here is a jackass who likes to hit on women when they are most vulnerable.
He badly needs a significant other of the woman to teach him a lesson he
won't soon forget. In unstructured social situations, men should only talk
to other men and women should only talk to other women. In such situations,
always allow the woman to initiate any social interaction. That way you
won't be such a big *******!

Frankly, I have always enjoyed watching women talk to other women. They seem
to know instinctively how to be friends with one another, whereas we men
seem to know instinctively only how to hate one another - with murder always
looming in the background. Sociology 101 - anyone?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[still just me]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:20:50 +0000, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>> Well, it is possible to have a conversation and not "hit on" a woman.
>> You can also have a conversation and find out if you have anything in
>> common and then just ask someone if they want to meet you for coffee
>> or whatever. That's not "hitting", it's just "meeting". They accept or
>> decline, life goes on.
>
>Or (sorry if this sounds a bit radical...) you could just exchange
>greetings and minor pleasantries of the sort that just oil the world on
>its way, irrespective of the sex of the other rider! You could think of
>the other rider as "person on bike" rather than "man" or "woman"...

That would prevent me from hitting on the women!

[Tom Sherman]

Jon Meineke wrote:
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
>> 'bent riders are at the wrong height to converse,
>
> Perhaps a low racer recumbent side-by-side with an 'ordinary' might present
> a challenge to easily audible exchanges....

butbutbut, I want to know what the weather is like up there!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

[marika]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:s2n6k3dfce45ruqqn77k29pdj93sfa6bvo@4ax.com...

>
> That would prevent me from hitting on the women!
>

of all people

how's are they different from any other cranks

no you don't know what you're doing

mk5000

" Our babies know no pain or sorrow, they're in God's loving embrace,
Someday we'll be together again, in an awesome, loving place.
This is but a chapter, of God's perfect plan,
Who am I to question him, as he reaches for my hand?"--ashley's mom

[A Muzi]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> Frankly, I have always enjoyed watching women talk to other women.
They seem
> to know instinctively how to be friends with one another, whereas we men
> seem to know instinctively only how to hate one another - with murder always
> looming in the background. Sociology 101 - anyone?

Gentlemen do it at twenty paces with pistols at dawn.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[datakoll]

Minnesota 11/24/07 - 12/09/07

Deer hunt - muzzleloader opener

it's ok with me if you shoot him in the afternoon

[Edward Dolan]

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13k8uua5emh894@corp.supernews.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > Frankly, I have always enjoyed watching women talk to other women. They
> seem
>> to know instinctively how to be friends with one another, whereas we men
>> seem to know instinctively only how to hate one another - with murder
>> always looming in the background. Sociology 101 - anyone?
>
> Gentlemen do it at twenty paces with pistols at dawn.

But it has to be on the banks of the Ohio. No other river will do.

We men are all killers (murderers) at heart and don't let anyone ever tell
you otherwise. What is truly amazing to me is how early we become killers.
Teenagers are extremely dangerous for this reason alone. They make the best
soldiers by far because they think it is great sport to kill living
creatures, especially others of their own species.

Hells Bells, I knew the world was all ****ed up because of us human males by
the time I was 16 - and I have never had any reason to change my mind about
it in the ensuing years either (I am now 71). Women are brainless idiots of
course, but at least they are not killers like we are.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Sherman]

marika who? wrote:
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s2n6k3dfce45ruqqn77k29pdj93sfa6bvo@4ax.com...
>
>> That would prevent me from hitting on the women!
>>
>
> of all people
>
> how's are they different from any other cranks...

Speaking of cranks, I am thinking of trying some in the 150-155 mm
length range on one of my bicycles.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Tom Keats]

In article <6sednUUngtdva9vanZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@rcn.net>,
"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> writes:
>
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s2n6k3dfce45ruqqn77k29pdj93sfa6bvo@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> That would prevent me from hitting on the women!
>>
>
> of all people
>
> how's are they different from any other cranks
>
> no you don't know what you're doing

There's this song by Yes, called "And You And I"
(some [bootleg live concert] versions have some
real honkin' keyboarding by Rick Wakeman.)
It kinda describes social stuff.

That tune is my personal Anthem.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with
exploiting people; au contraire!


cheers,
Tom


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Resound]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fi7lql$tm2$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> marika who? wrote:
>> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:s2n6k3dfce45ruqqn77k29pdj93sfa6bvo@4ax.com...
>>
>>> That would prevent me from hitting on the women!
>>>
>>
>> of all people
>>
>> how's are they different from any other cranks...
>
> Speaking of cranks, I am thinking of trying some in the 150-155 mm length
> range on one of my bicycles.
>

Wow, and I thought *I* was short!

[Ted Bennett]

"Resound" <sacredchao@bigpond.com> wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" wrote

> > Speaking of cranks, I am thinking of trying some in the 150-155 mm length
> > range on one of my bicycles.
> >
>
> Wow, and I thought *I* was short!

It's an error to conclude anything about Tom's height from his crank
length. Short cranks are rather useful when the BB is infront of the
hips instead of below. Faster speed but lower torque can result in
similar power output but with less strain on the joints.

Ted

--
Ted Bennett

[Tom Sherman]

Ted Bennett wrote:
> "Resound" <sacredchao@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" wrote
>
>>> Speaking of cranks, I am thinking of trying some in the 150-155 mm length
>>> range on one of my bicycles.
>>>
>> Wow, and I thought *I* was short!
>
> It's an error to conclude anything about Tom's height from his crank
> length. Short cranks are rather useful when the BB is infront of the
> hips instead of below. Faster speed but lower torque can result in
> similar power output but with less strain on the joints.

Exactly! At least many recumbent riders report preferring shorter cranks
on a recumbent than they would want on an upright.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fi7s0o$kup$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Ted Bennett wrote:
>> "Resound" <sacredchao@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Tom Sherman" wrote
>>
>>>> Speaking of cranks, I am thinking of trying some in the 150-155 mm
>>>> length range on one of my bicycles.
>>>>
>>> Wow, and I thought *I* was short!
>>
>> It's an error to conclude anything about Tom's height from his crank
>> length. Short cranks are rather useful when the BB is infront of the
>> hips instead of below. Faster speed but lower torque can result in
>> similar power output but with less strain on the joints.
>
> Exactly! At least many recumbent riders report preferring shorter cranks
> on a recumbent than they would want on an upright.

Too much spin, no forward motion; not enough spin, also no forward motion.
Get it right or get lost!

Mr. Sherman is frequently exact about many things, but that has never
prevented him from being wrong about everything.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[marika]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m5bbif.0r3.ln@vcn.bc.ca...

>
> There's this song by Yes, called "And You And I"
> (some [bootleg live concert] versions have some
> real honkin' keyboarding by Rick Wakeman.)

it would have been a pleasure to see that performed at any one of their fun
little events!
Unfortunately, I can't remember whether or not I had ever seen them live.
Maybe I did, I just don't remember

I do enjoy my memory of imagining I had seen them


> It kinda describes social stuff.
>
> That tune is my personal Anthem.
>
> And it has absolutely nothing to do with
> exploiting people; au contraire!

cool, it's a nice song

mk5000

"Steph, could you please explain to my co-worker why exactly a picture of
people holding up knitting would make me burst into tears?"--amie

[Tom Keats]

In article <OOidnWhjLYDeXdTanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@rcn.net>,
"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:m5bbif.0r3.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>
>>
>> There's this song by Yes, called "And You And I"
>> (some [bootleg live concert] versions have some
>> real honkin' keyboarding by Rick Wakeman.)
>
> it would have been a pleasure to see that performed at any one of their fun
> little events!

Oooh, yeah. It was.

> Unfortunately, I can't remember whether or not I had ever seen them live.
> Maybe I did, I just don't remember

The original "Elephant Grass" of the early '70s kinda
fogged my memories of the time up a little, too. As
well as window pane and yellow sunshine, and that
mescaline that was stepped-on with Fry's Cocoa. And
various hashish's (I've always been particularly fond
of red Lebanese because the buzz is ... light & happy,
rather than oppressive like the darker varieties,
which kinda make me feel like I'm submersed.)

There was also Jethro Tull, Led Zep, Pink Floyd (I still
think Umma Gumma is their masterpiece album,) Wishbone
Ash, Ten Years After, and several other bands who's
careers got kickstarts from touring with the Rolling Stones.
But I'm paying the price now, as my sense of hearing ain't
what it used to be, eh?

> I do enjoy my memory of imagining I had seen them
>
>
>> It kinda describes social stuff.
>>
>> That tune is my personal Anthem.
>>
>> And it has absolutely nothing to do with
>> exploiting people; au contraire!
>
> cool, it's a nice song

I find it very uplifting and optimistic and cheery.
That's what this world needs. I dunno why so many
people feel compelled to be downers, dragging others
down with 'em. There're too many Gloomy Gus's around.


cheers,
Tom

for edification purposes: the Canadian "eh" is
always interrogative. It's an abbreviated, tacit
way of asking: "Don't you agree?" Or: "Y'know
what I mean?" Or: "Y'know what I'm sayin'?"

It can be applied not only in Canadian English,
but also in Chinook trade jargon. Pretty good, eh?

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[marika]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hqidif.f15.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <OOidnWhjLYDeXdTanZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@rcn.net>,
> "marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5bbif.0r3.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>
>>>
>>> There's this song by Yes, called "And You And I"
>>> (some [bootleg live concert] versions have some
>>> real honkin' keyboarding by Rick Wakeman.)
>>
>> it would have been a pleasure to see that performed at any one of their
>> fun
>> little events!
>
> Oooh, yeah. It was.
>
>> Unfortunately, I can't remember whether or not I had ever seen them live.
>> Maybe I did, I just don't remember
>
> The original "Elephant Grass" of the early '70s kinda
> fogged my memories of the time up a little, too. As
> well as window pane and yellow sunshine, and that
> mescaline that was stepped-on with Fry's Cocoa. And
> various hashish's (I've always been particularly fond
> of red Lebanese because the buzz is ... light & happy,
> rather than oppressive like the darker varieties,
> which kinda make me feel like I'm submersed.)

I'm a nacheral born idiot. I don't have an excuse like that. But I did ask
Tom the other one to consider whether Cocoa puffs might rust my ignition.
He probably won't answer me because Cocoa puffs are not known to be a direct
reference.

>
> There was also Jethro Tull, Led Zep, Pink Floyd (I still
> think Umma Gumma is their masterpiece album,) Wishbone
> Ash, Ten Years After, and several other bands who's
> careers got kickstarts from touring with the Rolling Stones.
> But I'm paying the price now, as my sense of hearing ain't
> what it used to be, eh?

I've definitely seen Jethro Tull to the extent I remember them -- Thick as
a Brick before it was released.
Pink Floyd probably UG but all i remember is a gold disc masquerading as
sun. ALthough I might be channeling another person's concert experience
with that memory.
I'm sure if I tried to remember more stuff it might come to me


>
>> I do enjoy my memory of imagining I had seen them
>>
>>
>>> It kinda describes social stuff.
>>>
>>> That tune is my personal Anthem.
>>>
>>> And it has absolutely nothing to do with
>>> exploiting people; au contraire!
>>
>> cool, it's a nice song
>
> I find it very uplifting and optimistic and cheery.
> That's what this world needs. I dunno why so many
> people feel compelled to be downers, dragging others
> down with 'em. There're too many Gloomy Gus's around.


Being slavic and all, gloomy is a default setting.


> for edification purposes: the Canadian "eh" is
> always interrogative. It's an abbreviated, tacit
> way of asking: "Don't you agree?" Or: "Y'know
> what I mean?" Or: "Y'know what I'm sayin'?"

been there. get it.

>
> It can be applied not only in Canadian English,
> but also in Chinook trade jargon. Pretty good, eh?


Kiwi is a dumb name for a gay guy's cat, eh? Like that, eh?

mk5000

"I stepped in and pulled the curtain closed. I'd been thinking
of a split ticket, for some reason, though now,
out of simple pique or pure American patriotism,

I voted, yet again, a straight ticket. So there I was then,
outside, seeming to myself at least
a hero in the contact sport of democracy,"--robert wrigley, partisan

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hqidif.f15.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
[...]
> for edification purposes: the Canadian "eh" is
> always interrogative. It's an abbreviated, tacit
> way of asking: "Don't you agree?" Or: "Y'know
> what I mean?" Or: "Y'know what I'm sayin'?"

It's actually a way of announcing that you are an idiot who is talking to
another idiot. But does not that describe all Canadians. They skulk like the
cowards they are behind the might and the glory of the US.

Canada should revert to Dominion status so that the English could lord it
over them once again. Canadians don't mind being lorded over, especially
working class stiffs like Tom Keats who labors away like Sisyphus on the
docks of soggy old Vancouver, BC. - a working class pretender to
intellectualism!

Is Marika a female? 'It' certainly is starting to sound more and more like
one - scatterbrained like they all are. Eh!
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Keats]

In article <atmdnfVbXfK6zNfanZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@rcn.net>,
"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> writes:

>> There was also Jethro Tull, Led Zep, Pink Floyd (I still
>> think Umma Gumma is their masterpiece album,) Wishbone
>> Ash, Ten Years After, and several other bands who's
>> careers got kickstarts from touring with the Rolling Stones.
>> But I'm paying the price now, as my sense of hearing ain't
>> what it used to be, eh?
>
> I've definitely seen Jethro Tull to the extent I remember them -- Thick as
> a Brick before it was released.
> Pink Floyd probably UG but all i remember is a gold disc masquerading as
> sun. ALthough I might be channeling another person's concert experience
> with that memory.
> I'm sure if I tried to remember more stuff it might come to me

My friendly suggestion is: don't strain your brain over the past.
It's already done.

> Kiwi is a dumb name for a gay guy's cat, eh? Like that, eh?

There was an old Saturday Night Live b-roll of a guy
(possibly gay) up in his apartment, talking about his cat.
The cat's toy catnip mouse was named "Andy Warhol."
I liked that. Heh. I'd like to name a cat's toy catnip
mouse: "Alan Ginsberg." It'd have to be stuffed with
a /lot/ of catnip.

A Bob Dylan catnip mouse would be pretty good, too.


meow,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[marika]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:VMydnbh8KqfwxNfanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@prairiewave. com...

>
> It's actually a way of announcing that you are an idiot who is talking to
> another idiot. But does not that describe all Canadians.
just the ones at MIT.

>They skulk like the cowards they are behind the might and the glory of the
>US.
>
> Canada should revert to Dominion status so that the English could lord it
> over them once again.

The dominion's real name is Virginia

>Canadians don't mind being lorded over, especially working class stiffs
>like Tom Keats who labors away like Sisyphus on the docks of soggy old
>Vancouver, BC. - a working class pretender to intellectualism!

They do have some great comedians, though. It took me a real long time to
remember the ones from Britian that I liked.
The last name Ramming is known to people of
the UK
circa 50's he was an announcer and had something to do with Peter Sellers
comedy troup. I can't remember the name of that group right now tho.


That name has been bothering me for years, til it finally dawned on me what
it
means. Ramming is a part of the word progRAMMING plus the usual sex
connotations


>
> Is Marika a female?

Not really important to figure it out

>'It' certainly is starting to sound more and more like one - scatterbrained
>like they all are.

What is more important is that I have a new "best friend", in
you Ed
>

mk5000

"However, there
are alot of legal issues that I'm not sure of:
if I change her name can I still use her dialogue
can I use the same "situations", places, etc.
can I use samples of her writing (email, etc.)
I don't want to finish the book and then be sued for libel. Can someone
help me with these questions."--indigo

[Edward Dolan]

"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZtWdnS9ylr7_xtfanZ2dnUVZ_ruqnZ2d@rcn.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:VMydnbh8KqfwxNfanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>
>>
>> It's actually a way of announcing that you are an idiot who is talking to
>> another idiot. But does not that describe all Canadians.
[...]

>>They skulk like the cowards they are behind the might and the glory of the
>>US.
>>
>> Canada should revert to Dominion status so that the English could lord it
>> over them once again.
[...]

>> Is Marika a female?
>
> Not really important to figure it out

Put a period at the end of your sentences (if that is what they are), you
freaking female!

>>'It' certainly is starting to sound more and more like one -
>>scatterbrained like they all are.
>
> What is more important is that I have a new "best friend", in
> you Ed

Friendship is for kids and teenagers and you and I are neither. But female
or not, you are a scatterbrain for sure and should be in an institution
where your ilk would delight in humoring you. I never humor anyone. I am too
Great for that!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Your idiotic meanderings will not be read by me and they will be excised
in any reply message of mine. Either get relevant or get lost!

[marika]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qgmdif.l35.ln@vcn.bc.ca...

>
> There was an old Saturday Night Live b-roll of a guy
> (possibly gay) up in his apartment, talking about his cat.
> The cat's toy catnip mouse was named "Andy Warhol."
> I liked that. Heh. I'd like to name a cat's toy catnip
> mouse: "Alan Ginsberg."
yea but then it would howl
even tho I wouldn't perform poetry I would love to tag along with my
friends, ya know/
>It'd have to be stuffed with> a /lot/ of catnip.



>
> A Bob Dylan catnip mouse would be pretty good, too.
>

very elaborate plans, I will just tell everyone that I knew a guy who did in
fact have rock star
mice nips

mk5000

"You are pretty useful, for a geek who likes to write code!
I'll be looking into this addin with great glee.
Now, to drive my coffee maker remotely and have fresh coffee appear via
replication.......
"8-)"--

Doug Huthceson

[marika]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:ibOdnc4-OLMYDtfanZ2dnUVZ_rGrnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>


>
> Friendship is for kids and teenagers and you and I are neither.

i thought I was under your wing

>But female or not, you are a scatterbrain for sure and should be in an
>institution where your ilk would delight in humoring you. I never humor
>anyone.

and obvioulsy you are missing someone giving a crap about whether you exist

>I am too Great for that!


that's what you get when you crap on people

mk5000


"As the TV ad says "Gotta Go! Gotta Go! Gotta Go! ....!" ;-)"--Uncle
Chas

[Edward Dolan]

"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:_p-dnQiwSJNfcNfanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d@rcn.net...
[...]
> that's what you get when you crap on people

The only crapper here is you - you freaking female ****head!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[marika]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:jc6dndOcud_99dbanZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>

>
> The only crapper here is you - you freaking female ****head!
>

oh that's right, the crapper, that channel with all the great movies but
for some reason I didn't think you have Comedy Central

mk5000

"Humanity committed a grave mistake in building the Berlin Wall. I'm
sure that the United States is committing a grave mistake in building
this fence," --Felipe Calderon

[Edward Dolan]

"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5L2dnSEC0azrDNbanZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@rcn.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:jc6dndOcud_99dbanZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@prairiewave. com...
>>
>
>>
>> The only crapper here is you - you freaking female ****head!
>>
>
> oh that's right, the crapper, that channel with all the great movies but
> for some reason I didn't think you have Comedy Central

I wouldn't be caught dead watching any of that crap. You have got to be
crappy yourself to think any of it funny. Congratulations - you qualify!

> mk5000
>
> "Humanity committed a grave mistake in building the Berlin Wall. I'm
> sure that the United States is committing a grave mistake in building
> this fence," --Felipe Calderon

You bet ... someone with a Hispanic name WOULD think it is mistake to
prevent the Mexicans from taking back the Southwest.

The difference between the Berlin Wall and The Fence is that the former was
to prevent folks from leaving whereas the latter is to prevent folks from
entering. But you are too god damn ****ing stupid to ever know the
difference between leaving and entering. That is because you are a whore and
it is all the same to you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[marika]

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:8Y-dndxwz9vZCtbanZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>

>
> I wouldn't be caught dead watching any of that crap. You have got to be
> crappy yourself to think any of it funny. Congratulations - you qualify!

ok so I guess you watch the information channels,
Sometimes I click through on those,
I did just hear that right on cnn

that you are one of the elite few, the zombie-american?

mk5000

"I know someone who does very well on 37.5 mg daily. The variation in
individual response to these drugs is amazing."--nom de plume