wool jerseys? [Archive] - Triangle Cycling

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

On Nov 20, 8:53 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
<russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Any websites that sell good wool
> > jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> > ass in synthetics that promise but don't
> > deliver.
>
> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
> unbelievable.

IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
$65-70; but at $130+, never!

> Wool must be the newest in thing to have and the
> sellers figure they can charge anything they want because there are
> lots of fools willing to pay anything. Great business if you can get
> it. Rivendell follows this model. Colnago follows this model. Trek
> too with its $7000 Madone bikes.
>
> If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
> wool sweaters from the Good Will store. Or if you have to have new,
> Campmor and other camping places sell wool crewneck underwear for not
> a lot of money.

Luke

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

In article
<723e4829-6049-400e-b6a0-1662435193a1@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
<"russellseaton1@yahoo.com"> wrote:

.....

> If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
> wool sweaters from the Good Will store.

.....

Current going rate for Merino or Lambswool pullovers at local
thriftshops: $8. These form comfortable, stenchless base layers.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

In article
<723e4829-6049-400e-b6a0-1662435193a1@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of
> > freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
>
> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
> unbelievable. Wool must be the newest in thing to have and the
> sellers figure they can charge anything they want because there are
> lots of fools willing to pay anything.

Wool's expensive to produce and economies of scale are harder to achieve
compared to spinning synthetic fibers 24/7 out of a bunch of machines.

In case you didn't know it, BTW, wool production is also subsidized
under the Farm Bill in the US. The subsidies ended in 1996 under the
Clinton Administration and were reintroduced in the 2002 Farm Bill. I
don't know if they will be extended in the current Farm bill.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Features/farmbill/titles/titleIcommodities.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/05/13/farm-bill.htm

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=00000

> If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
> wool sweaters from the Good Will store. Or if you have to have new,
> Campmor and other camping places sell wool crewneck underwear for not
> a lot of money.

Excellent suggestions. A regular old crew neck or turtleneck sweater is
a fine piece of cold weather cycling wear. Add consignment stores to
the list of resources.

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

>> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
>> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
>> unbelievable.
>
> IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
> According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
> dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
> has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
> years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
> $65-70; but at $130+, never!

You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much then. Add
the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's happened
during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the $130
current pricing.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:4c6e07b9-25a2-462b-878f-c655f58030b5@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 20, 8:53 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Any websites that sell good wool
>> > jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
>> > ass in synthetics that promise but don't
>> > deliver.
>>
>> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
>> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
>> unbelievable.
>
> IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
> According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
> dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
> has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
> years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
> $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>
>
>> Wool must be the newest in thing to have and the
>> sellers figure they can charge anything they want because there are
>> lots of fools willing to pay anything. Great business if you can get
>> it. Rivendell follows this model. Colnago follows this model. Trek
>> too with its $7000 Madone bikes.
>>
>> If you just want to try wool clothes while biking, consider getting
>> wool sweaters from the Good Will store. Or if you have to have new,
>> Campmor and other camping places sell wool crewneck underwear for not
>> a lot of money.
>

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> > ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
>
> Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.
>
> I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
> excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
> article I wasn't happy with.
>
> http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom

Thanks for that link, I had forgotten about Kucharik. Less than $60
for a LS "wool blend" jersey is a good deal. I'm tempted......

jbollyn@gmail.com

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> > ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
>
> Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.
>
> I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
> excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
> article I wasn't happy with.
>
> http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
The above link talks about merino wool. I have been happy with
Smartwool socks for winter wear, which are merino wool treated with a
proprietary process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwool . Smartwool
is the only kind of wool I have ever worn itch-free. I have never
tried any merino wool garment, without the Smartwool additional
treatment.

J.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

In article <te26k3tj9tv3s9fgfbpndago86qnkm17kf@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> >Any websites that sell good wool jerseys?
>
> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>
> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
>
> I'm curious if a very think wool t shirt is also a good idea in HOT
> weather as well?

I have some very thin wool T-shirts that are very comfortable on a hot
day. I find wool jerseys comfortable up into the 80s, but above that
they tend to get rather wet and heavy. In hot weather I wear
synthetics. I have an old performance synthetic jersey that is a knit
rather than woven material; it seems a but thicker but it is my most
comfortable hot weather jersey. Air seems to get through the material
easier.

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>
> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by
> it

I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather chamois
are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought up...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:ac21bcce-9a86-4817-bfeb-f0976c709ab2@b36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > > Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of
freezing my
> > > ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
> >
> > Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was
new.
> >
> > I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
> > excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had
an
> > article I wasn't happy with.
> >
> >
http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tom
>
> Thanks for that link, I had forgotten about Kucharik. Less than $60
> for a LS "wool blend" jersey is a good deal. I'm tempted......

I have at least 4 Kucharik jerseys. They're very well made and
comfortable. Only one problem with wool, I perspire a lot and when I stop
at a store or restaurant after I hard ride I smell like a wet dog. After a
short while the wool jerseys dry out and the smell goes away.

Chas.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

In article
<621db4ff-0667-4d36-99a0-84db4c73e9b1@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"limeylew@gmail.com" <limeylew@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of
> > freezing my ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
>
> I'm kind of 'budget minded' and the last time I looked for wool
> 'cycling' jerseys I got a bad case of sticker shock.
>
> Instead, I decided to check E-bay for 'mens wool jersey' and found
> that I could get a nice jersey in the $10.00 - $20.00 range.
>
> OK, so it doesn't have rear pockets but it feels nice and works like
> a cycling jersey would.

Excellent idea. You know, with a simple musettte or a reasonable sized
bag on the bike, you don't need jersey pockets. I am always a bit
bemused to see some guy riding down the street on a stripped down bike
with hugely bulging jersey pockets.

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

limeylew@gmail.com aka Lewis Campbell wrote:
> On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Any websites that sell good wool
>> jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
>> ass in synthetics that promise but don't
>> deliver.
>
> I'm kind of 'budget minded' and the last time I looked for wool
> 'cycling' jerseys I got a bad case of sticker shock.
>
> Instead, I decided to check E-bay for 'mens wool jersey' and found
> that I could get a nice jersey in the $10.00 - $20.00 range.
>
> OK, so it doesn't have rear pockets but it feels nice and works like a
> cycling jersey would.

Rear pockets are annoying, since they bunch up against the seat back
while riding.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

jbollyn@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>>> Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
>>> ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
>> Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.
>>
>> I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
>> excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
>> article I wasn't happy with.
>>
>> http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
> The above link talks about merino wool. I have been happy with
> Smartwool socks for winter wear, which are merino wool treated with a
> proprietary process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwool . Smartwool
> is the only kind of wool I have ever worn itch-free. I have never
> tried any merino wool garment, without the Smartwool additional
> treatment.
>
> J.
>
J. -

Merino wool fibers have a diameter of 15 to 25 microns and are thus
considered to be of "fine grade".

Itchiness is usually encountered when even a very small percentage of
the fibers in a garment exceed ~28 microns.

I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
Heights....what a crazy pair....

I have never had a problem with wool jerseys being itchy, and I have
rather sensitive skin. However, I have always worn Kucharik wool
jerseys, and I believe they have always been made of a "fine grade" of wool.

Merino wool is often considered fine enough to use in undergarments.
Oookaaay, so they do. I'm not signin' up for woolie tighty-whiteys, but
there you have it....

Cheers,

Tom

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:10 PM

On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> jbol...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 10:20 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> >>> Any websites that sell good wool jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> >>> ass in synthetics that promise but don't deliver.
> >> Mr. Kucharik still sells wool and has been in business since dirt was new.
>
> >> I don't think their prices are outrageous and I know their quality is
> >> excellent. I've been buying from him since the early 70's - never had an
> >> article I wasn't happy with.
>
> >>http://www.kucharikclothing.com/all-wool-c-43.html?osCsid=9ef02e89810...
>
> >> Cheers,
>
> >> Tom
>
> > The above link talks about merino wool. I have been happy with
> > Smartwool socks for winter wear, which are merino wool treated with a
> > proprietary processhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartwool. Smartwool
> > is the only kind of wool I have ever worn itch-free. I have never
> > tried any merino wool garment, without the Smartwool additional
> > treatment.
>
> > J.
>
> J. -
>
> Merino wool fibers have a diameter of 15 to 25 microns and are thus
> considered to be of "fine grade".
>
> Itchiness is usually encountered when even a very small percentage of
> the fibers in a garment exceed ~28 microns.
>
> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
> Heights....what a crazy pair....

But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!

>
> I have never had a problem with wool jerseys being itchy, and I have
> rather sensitive skin. However, I have always worn Kucharik wool
> jerseys, and I believe they have always been made of a "fine grade" of wool.
>
> Merino wool is often considered fine enough to use in undergarments.
> Oookaaay, so they do. I'm not signin' up for woolie tighty-whiteys, but
> there you have it....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:11 PM

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
<snippage>
>> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
>> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
>> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
>> Heights....what a crazy pair....
>
> But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!
>
>
And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...

Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
the Farabutto brothers...

Tom

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:11 PM

On Nov 20, 1:41 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <snippage>
> >> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
> >> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
> >> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
> >> Heights....what a crazy pair....
>
> > But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!
>
> And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
> ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...
>
> Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
> the Farabutto brothers...
>

Don't the Farabutto Bros. hold the patents on Stiff But Compliant and
Unyielding Yet Comfortable?

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:11 PM

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Nov 20, 1:41 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> <snippage>
>>>> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
>>>> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
>>>> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
>>>> Heights....what a crazy pair....
>>> But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!
>> And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
>> ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...
>>
>> Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
>> the Farabutto brothers...
>>
>
> Don't the Farabutto Bros. hold the patents on Stiff But Compliant and
> Unyielding Yet Comfortable?
>
I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
of them living near Barclay Square, though...

Cheers,

Tom

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:11 PM

On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 1:41 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>> On Nov 20, 11:35 am, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> <snippage>
> >>>> I'm not sure what the proprietary process for Smartwool is and why it
> >>>> would make a fiber that is already itch-free be, well, itch-free. But
> >>>> then, I've not seen the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn
> >>>> Heights....what a crazy pair....
> >>> But some others have been everywhere, from Zanzibar to Copley Square!
> >> And in all of these travels Peter and Patty have found this proprietary
> >> ingredient that makes non-itchy stuff non-itchy...
>
> >> Perhaps they met up with Hans Christian Anderson, who introduced them to
> >> the Farabutto brothers...
>
> > Don't the Farabutto Bros. hold the patents on Stiff But Compliant and
> > Unyielding Yet Comfortable?
>
> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>

A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
in the Patty Duke Show lyric?

Tom Nakashima

01-03-1970, 08:12 PM

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:595281a2-a0dd-40e9-b0f1-38332d7361e4@41g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>>
> A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
> in the Patty Duke Show lyric?

Meet Cathy, who's lived most everywhere,
From Zanzibar to Barclay Square.
But Patty's only seen the sight.
A girl can see from Brooklyn Heights --
What a crazy pair!
-tom

Diablo Scott

01-03-1970, 08:12 PM

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
>> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>>
>
> A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
> in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
>

The nightingale sang in *Berkeley Square*.

Patty's identical cousin Cathy had lived in *Barclay Square* among many
other places.

me@privacy.net

01-03-1970, 08:12 PM

>I have some very thin wool T-shirts that are very comfortable on a hot
>day.

WHAT BRAND AND STYLE ARE THEY?

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:12 PM

On Nov 20, 3:41 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>
> news:595281a2-a0dd-40e9-b0f1-38332d7361e4@41g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>
> > A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
> > in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
>
> Meet Cathy, who's lived most everywhere,
> From Zanzibar to Barclay Square.
> But Patty's only seen the sight.
> A girl can see from Brooklyn Heights --
> What a crazy pair!
> -tom

Thank you, Tom!

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:12 PM

On Nov 20, 3:55 pm, Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOS...@terra.es> wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
> >> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>
> > A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
> > in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
>
> The nightingale sang in *Berkeley Square*.

I stand corrected!

>
> Patty's identical cousin Cathy had lived in *Barclay Square* among many
> other places.

Michael Press

01-03-1970, 08:12 PM

In article
<474358c2$0$3147$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOSPAM@terra.es> wrote:

> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
> >> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
> >>
> >
> > A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
> > in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
> >
>
> The nightingale sang in *Berkeley Square*.
>
> Patty's identical cousin Cathy had lived in *Barclay Square* among many
> other places.

"Berkley Square"

--
Michael Press

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

In article <jvr6k3tg1i9203klsfj0t5f1ko68h1d8lq@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> >I have some very thin wool T-shirts that are very comfortable on a hot
> >day.
>
> WHAT BRAND AND STYLE ARE THEY?

Yikes. Don't shoot! I have short sleeve and long sleeve crew necks.
They are "Windsor Wear," made in Canada and purchased for very
reasonable prices from Sierra Trading.

datakoll

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

THERE ARE COLUMBIA 2 PACKS IN THIS LIST
very comfortable, when new more comfort than synthetics but not as
effective.
The Chinese and walmart are putting the hurt on North Englands wool
producers.

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that's a linkful it's campmor.com> search wool socks in left top field

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <474358c2$0$3147$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
> Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOSPAM@terra.es> wrote:
>
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
>>>> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>>>>
>>> A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
>>> in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
>>>
>> The nightingale sang in *Berkeley Square*.
>>
>> Patty's identical cousin Cathy had lived in *Barclay Square* among many
>> other places.
>
> "Berkley Square"
>
Michael -

In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".

The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"
("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song
(which would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").

But, hey, the only musical instrument I can play is the stereo, so take
it with a grain of salt. Or a salt lick...

Cheers,

Tom

Michael Press

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

In article <13k740b5hf4q32e@corp.supernews.com>,
Tom <ctschmitz@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <474358c2$0$3147$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
> > Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOSPAM@terra.es> wrote:
> >
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>> On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
> >>>> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
> >>>>
> >>> A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
> >>> in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
> >>>
> >> The nightingale sang in *Berkeley Square*.
> >>
> >> Patty's identical cousin Cathy had lived in *Barclay Square* among many
> >> other places.
> >
> > "Berkley Square"
> >
> Michael -
>
> In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".
>
> The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"

No. In London it is Berkley Square.
<http://www.londonancestor.com/leighs/square-berkley.htm>

> ("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song
> (which would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").
>
> But, hey, the only musical instrument I can play is the stereo, so take
> it with a grain of salt. Or a salt lick...

Proper song title
'A Nightingale Sang In Berkley Square'
<http://www.tsrocks.com/v/vera_lynn_texts/a_nightingale_sang_in_berkeley_square.html>

--
Michael Press

James Thomson

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

"Tom" <ctschmitz@earthlink.net> a écrit:

> In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".

> The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"
> ("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song (which
> would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").

In the local pronunciation, Berkeley has only two sylables.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Square

The song, the square, and the Gloucestershire town all share the same
spelling.

James Thomson

me@privacy.net

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

me@privacy.net

01-03-1970, 08:13 PM

>> WHAT BRAND AND STYLE ARE THEY?
>
>Yikes. Don't shoot! I have short sleeve and long sleeve crew necks.
>They are "Windsor Wear," made in Canada and purchased for very
>reasonable prices from Sierra Trading.

I'm thinking of getting a long sleeve, short sleeve,
and sleeveless wool shirts.

Between those three different styles I am hoping to
cover abt any kind of weather by layering them in
combinations. Work you think? Or do I only need two
diff styles such as the long sleeve and sleeve less?

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:14 PM

Michael Press wrote:
> In article <13k740b5hf4q32e@corp.supernews.com>,
> Tom <ctschmitz@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <474358c2$0$3147$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
>>> Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOSPAM@terra.es> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 20, 2:00 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know; I would have to Google that. I do recall hearing reports
>>>>>> of them living near Barclay Square, though...
>>>>>>
>>>>> A nightingale sings in Barclay Square, but wasn't it "Copley Square"
>>>>> in the Patty Duke Show lyric?
>>>>>
>>>> The nightingale sang in *Berkeley Square*.
>>>>
>>>> Patty's identical cousin Cathy had lived in *Barclay Square* among many
>>>> other places.
>>> "Berkley Square"
>>>
>> Michael -
>>
>> In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".
>>
>> The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"
>
> No. In London it is Berkley Square.
> <http://www.londonancestor.com/leighs/square-berkley.htm>
Ah, so it is. I'm glad I got up today - I learned something.

Thanks,

Tom
>
>> ("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song
>> (which would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").
>>
>> But, hey, the only musical instrument I can play is the stereo, so take
>> it with a grain of salt. Or a salt lick...
>
> Proper song title
> 'A Nightingale Sang In Berkley Square'
> <http://www.tsrocks.com/v/vera_lynn_texts/a_nightingale_sang_in_berkeley_square.html>
>

Michael Press

01-03-1970, 08:14 PM

In article
<474405f0$0$8369$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net>,
"James Thomson" <yosnappyj@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Tom" <ctschmitz@earthlink.net> a écrit:
>
> > In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".
>
> > The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"
> > ("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song (which
> > would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").
>
> In the local pronunciation, Berkeley has only two sylables.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Square
>
> The song, the square, and the Gloucestershire town all share the same
> spelling.

Song title is 'A Nightingale Sang In Berkley Square'
<http://www.tsrocks.com/v/vera_lynn_texts/a_nightingale_sang_in_berkeley_square.html>

--
Michael Press

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:15 PM

On Nov 21, 10:21 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
> >> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
> >> unbelievable.
>
> > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
> > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
> > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
> > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
> > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
> > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>
> You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much then. Add
> the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's happened
> during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the $130
> current pricing.
>

Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
for currency value?

David L. Johnson

01-03-1970, 08:15 PM

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>>
>> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by
>> it
>
> I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather chamois
> are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought up...

Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as opposed
to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling equipment
since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.

Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.

--

David L. Johnson

When you are up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that
your initial objective was to drain the swamp.
-- LBJ

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:15 PM

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:bZY0j.24034$JD.23715@newssvr21.news.prodigy.n et...
> > I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
> >
> > If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by
> > it
>
> I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
chamois
> are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought up...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>

Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry
out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many
modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.

I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
found them.

Chas.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:16 PM

In article <hN6dnQVJXLWw8dnanZ2dnUVZ_u3inZ2d@ptd.net>,
"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> wrote:

> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
> >>
> >> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
> >
> > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
> > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
> > up...
>
> Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
> opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
> equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
>
> Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.

In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a
synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But
they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool
isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very
well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if
it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used
to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.

The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than
wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:16 PM

In article <bpt8k357dqqc7qkli9bbo3cbrv2s66fgqm@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> >> WHAT BRAND AND STYLE ARE THEY?
> >
> >Yikes. Don't shoot! I have short sleeve and long sleeve crew
> >necks. They are "Windsor Wear," made in Canada and purchased for
> >very reasonable prices from Sierra Trading.
>
> Sorry abt the caps
>
> Cap key was on accidentally

OK. It seemed awfully urgent. ;-) Anyway, if you go to the Sierra
Traders web site and search for wool underwear, these often pop up at
good prices. Sometimes other brands.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 08:16 PM

In article <fqt8k3t0nk9dqe15r1i088n1mq2qf5ck4i@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> >> WHAT BRAND AND STYLE ARE THEY?
> >
> >Yikes. Don't shoot! I have short sleeve and long sleeve crew
> >necks. They are "Windsor Wear," made in Canada and purchased for
> >very reasonable prices from Sierra Trading.
>
> I'm thinking of getting a long sleeve, short sleeve, and sleeveless
> wool shirts.
>
> Between those three different styles I am hoping to cover abt any
> kind of weather by layering them in combinations. Work you think? Or
> do I only need two diff styles such as the long sleeve and sleeve
> less?

For cycling, between one long and one short sleeved wool T-shirts, two
short sleeved wool jerseys and two long sleeved wool jerseys, I can
dress comfortably for anything from 80F to 40F. The most I wear is a
long sleeve T, a short sleeve jersey and two long sleeve jerseys. Below
40 I could adjust layers and add a wool sweater over the top and get
down to being comfortable from 30F-40F. The nice thing is that there is
very little moisture build up.

OTOH, at 40F and below I quite often just wear a wool long sleeve T and
my fleece windfront jacket from REI. It's a lot quicker to get out the
door and the ventilation is nicely adjustable. I end up a bit damp but
it's not a problem.

On the legs I wear a pair of shorts, some mid-weight wool socks, and
tights of appropriate thickness and wind resistance (PI Lycra 50-65F,
Gekko Gear Powerstretch 100 40-50F or PI AmFib windfront tights below
40F). On my feet I wear Lake MXZ-300 boots below about 45F, otherwise
they are too warm. Gloves are various weights from "lobster" glives to
thin polypro liner gloves. I like to keep my hands pretty warm.

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:16 PM

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <474405f0$0$8369$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net>,
> "James Thomson" <yosnappyj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Tom" <ctschmitz@earthlink.net> a écrit:
>>
>>> In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".
>>> The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"
>>> ("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song (which
>>> would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").
>> In the local pronunciation, Berkeley has only two sylables.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Square
>>
>> The song, the square, and the Gloucestershire town all share the same
>> spelling.
>
> Song title is 'A Nightingale Sang In Berkley Square'
> <http://www.tsrocks.com/v/vera_lynn_texts/a_nightingale_sang_in_berkeley_square.html>
>
Michael -

I find examples of both "Berkeley" and "Berkley" in web-page text, but
these are images that seem definitive. I couldn't find an image of
"Berkley".

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2av4wm
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ohp8p
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ys6dmv

I'm satisfied that it is "Berkeley" over there and that "Berkley" is
either a misspelling or a contraction. This is more than I ever wanted
to know. I'm not even going to go find out where "Barclay" square is. I
doubt there's much cycling tech activity there, anyway...

Cheers,

Tom

russellseaton1@yahoo.com

01-03-1970, 08:17 PM

On Nov 21, 3:57 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 10:21 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
> > >> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
> > >> unbelievable.
>
> > > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
> > > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
> > > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
> > > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
> > > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
> > > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>
> > You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much then. Add
> > the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's happened
> > during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the $130
> > current pricing.
>
> Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
> the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
> for currency value?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And of course the dollar devaluation in the past 3 years should only
affect imports. So any and all wool clothes made in the USA should be
unaffected. Unless the wool is imported. But I was reading on a wool
website that the US is a wool exporter in total. So I think marketing
is the reason wool jerseys are expensive, not currency fluctuations or
inflation. Wool is in so people will pay.

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:17 PM

>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>> >>
>> >> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
>> >
>> > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
>> > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
>> > up...
>>
>> Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
>> opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
>> equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
>>
>> Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
>
> In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a
> synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But
> they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool
> isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very
> well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if
> it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used
> to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.

Kucharik was actually one of the first to come up with a reasonable
alternative to wool. Helenca, I think the fabric was called. Not the
greatest by today's standards, but much nicer than the wool of the day. Some
of the wool shorts Kucharik sold were a "blend" of wool and nylon (which he
also used in some of his jerseys) and were a step up as well. If the shorts
you own are fairly thin, that's probably what they are.

> The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than
> wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.

OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a
"real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the two!
Any takers?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-28270D.17074621112007@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <hN6dnQVJXLWw8dnanZ2dnUVZ_u3inZ2d@ptd.net>,
> "David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> wrote:
>
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>> >>
>> >> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
>> >
>> > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
>> > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
>> > up...
>>
>> Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
>> opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
>> equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
>>
>> Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
>
> In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a
> synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But
> they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool
> isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very
> well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if
> it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used
> to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
>
> The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than
> wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:17 PM

"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-28270D.17074621112007@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <hN6dnQVJXLWw8dnanZ2dnUVZ_u3inZ2d@ptd.net>,
> "David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> wrote:
>
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
> > >>
> > >> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
> > >
> > > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
> > > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
> > > up...
> >
> > Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
> > opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
> > equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
> >
> > Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
>
> In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a
> synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But
> they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool
> isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very
> well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if
> it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used
> to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
>
> The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than
> wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.

I had new pair of Giordana Lycra shorts that were about 10 years old. They
started looking weird after I washed them and during the next wearing they
just about fell off because the elastic in the Lycra deteriorated.

Chas.

datakoll

01-03-1970, 08:17 PM

Wasting money with wool
Try fleece (with light mesh polypropylene crew if below 20)
SKU: 36482
Campmor Polartec(R) 200 Fleece Jacket (For Men)
$29.99

SKU: 36486
Campmor Polartec(R) 200 Fleece Vest (For Men)
$24.99
SKU: 36428

Campmor Polartec(R) 200 Fleece Pants (For Men)
$22.97

frkrygow@gmail.com

01-03-1970, 08:17 PM

On Nov 21, 7:18 pm, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
<russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> And of course the dollar devaluation in the past 3 years should only
> affect imports. So any and all wool clothes made in the USA should be
> unaffected. Unless the wool is imported. But I was reading on a wool
> website that the US is a wool exporter in total. So I think marketing
> is the reason wool jerseys are expensive, not currency fluctuations or
> inflation. Wool is in so people will pay.

I agree. On a business trip to Britain a few years ago, I bought a
very nice wool sweater at an outdoor weekend market in a small
village. I paid roughly $15 for it, IIRC. Based on that, the price
surge isn't because of the cost of the wool.

.... which is frustrating. I've loved wool clothing for many, many
years - and I'm not talking just cycling clothes, but sweaters,
shirts, pants, etc. But it was always hard to find

Now that it's easier to find, it's becoming "in," so it's generally
expensive. <sigh>

- Frank Krygowski

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:17 PM

>> > > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
>> > > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
>> > > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
>> > > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
>> > > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
>> > > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>>
>> > You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much then.
>> > Add
>> > the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's
>> > happened
>> > during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the $130
>> > current pricing.
>>
>> Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
>> the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
>> for currency value?- Hide quoted text -

Inflation figures show the overall average for everything a typical person
buys. There's no built-in adjustment for currency devaluation, beyond the
extent to which currency devaluation has increased the overall cost of
living. The relationship between the value of the dollar and overall
inflation is not positive, and over the course of time, may in fact show to
be negative.

But fear not; every once in a blue moon, important people meet to discuss
what should, and should not, be included in the various inflation indices.
Perhaps you can make a compelling case for them to kick out something
insignificant, like, say, a half gallon of milk, and replace it with wool
cycling jerseys!

>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> And of course the dollar devaluation in the past 3 years should only
> affect imports. So any and all wool clothes made in the USA should be
> unaffected. Unless the wool is imported. But I was reading on a wool
> website that the US is a wool exporter in total. So I think marketing
> is the reason wool jerseys are expensive, not currency fluctuations or
> inflation. Wool is in so people will pay.

Domestic wool is not used in cycling jerseys. I don't know why; I don't even
know where it goes. I should, as my grandparents were farmers, as is my
Uncle, and they used to raise sheep. For info on who is actually producing
wool these days, check this out-
http://www.woolisbest.com/documents/woolfacts_0410.pdf. The US isn't even in
the top-10 anymore. Not for production *or* importation.

Not surprisingly, China sucks up a LOT of wool. More than 3 times the next
country (Italy), and that was in 2004. I'll bet it's even more lopsided
today.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

<russellseaton1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7c097b98-b9f9-4440-a9f4-2dd614e401cb@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 21, 3:57 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 10:21 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > >> Why don't you just wear heavier synthetic jerseys? Or several
>> > >> layers? I'm sure wool clothes work but as Ozark said, the price is
>> > >> unbelievable.
>>
>> > > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
>> > > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
>> > > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
>> > > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
>> > > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
>> > > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>>
>> > You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much then.
>> > Add
>> > the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's
>> > happened
>> > during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the $130
>> > current pricing.
>>
>> Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
>> the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
>> for currency value?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> And of course the dollar devaluation in the past 3 years should only
> affect imports. So any and all wool clothes made in the USA should be
> unaffected. Unless the wool is imported. But I was reading on a wool
> website that the US is a wool exporter in total. So I think marketing
> is the reason wool jerseys are expensive, not currency fluctuations or
> inflation. Wool is in so people will pay.

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:19 PM

On Nov 21, 9:40 pm, Tom <ctschm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <474405f0$0$8369$79c14...@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net>,
> > "James Thomson" <yosnap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Tom" <ctschm...@earthlink.net> a écrit:
>
> >>> In the movie it was "Berkeley", while in the song it was "Berkley".
> >>> The song title used "Berkley" perhaps as a contraction of "Berkeley"
> >>> ("Berk'ley") due to the necessity of keeping the meter of the song (which
> >>> would have been compromised if sung as "Berk-uh-ley").
> >> In the local pronunciation, Berkeley has only two sylables.
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Square
>
> >> The song, the square, and the Gloucestershire town all share the same
> >> spelling.
>
> > Song title is 'A Nightingale Sang In Berkley Square'
> > <http://www.tsrocks.com/v/vera_lynn_texts/a_nightingale_sang_in_berkel....>
>
> Michael -
>
> I find examples of both "Berkeley" and "Berkley" in web-page text, but
> these are images that seem definitive. I couldn't find an image of
> "Berkley".
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2av4wmhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/2ohp8phttp://preview.tinyurl.com/ys6dmv
>
> I'm satisfied that it is "Berkeley" over there and that "Berkley" is
> either a misspelling or a contraction. This is more than I ever wanted
> to know. I'm not even going to go find out where "Barclay" square is. I
> doubt there's much cycling tech activity there, anyway...
>

Matbe not, but that nightingale is a helluva time trialer!

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:22 PM

On Nov 22, 3:24 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> > > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
> >> > > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
> >> > > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool jersey
> >> > > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
> >> > > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
> >> > > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>
> >> > You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much then.
> >> > Add
> >> > the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's
> >> > happened
> >> > during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the $130
> >> > current pricing.
>
> >> Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
> >> the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
> >> for currency value?- Hide quoted text -
>
> Inflation figures show the overall average for everything a typical person
> buys. There's no built-in adjustment for currency devaluation, beyond the
> extent to which currency devaluation has increased the overall cost of
> living.

That makes sense.

> The relationship between the value of the dollar and overall
> inflation is not positive, and over the course of time, may in fact show to
> be negative.

Do you have a reference for this?

>
> But fear not; every once in a blue moon, important people meet to discuss
> what should, and should not, be included in the various inflation indices.
> Perhaps you can make a compelling case for them to kick out something
> insignificant, like, say, a half gallon of milk, and replace it with wool
> cycling jerseys!

Perhaps they'll even replace it with carbon fiber, eh? ;-)

marika

01-03-1970, 08:22 PM

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> Not surprisingly, China sucks up a LOT of wool. More than 3 times the next
> country (Italy), and that was in 2004. I'll bet it's even more lopsided
> today.

Italy doesn't need as much wool because it's a boot which is pretty warm

mk5000

"So keep my temper calm, collective and cool
Cause I might ignite and go off, and leave nothing but your shoes
To keep my temper calm, collective and cool
Cause I might ignite and go off, and leave nothing but your shoes"-ain't
havin none of that, z-ro

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:22 PM

>> >> > > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
>> >> > > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
>> >> > > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool
>> >> > > jersey
>> >> > > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
>> >> > > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
>> >> > > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>>
>> >> > You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much
>> >> > then.
>> >> > Add
>> >> > the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's
>> >> > happened
>> >> > during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the
>> >> > $130
>> >> > current pricing.
>>
>> >> Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
>> >> the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
>> >> for currency value?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> Inflation figures show the overall average for everything a typical
>> person
>> buys. There's no built-in adjustment for currency devaluation, beyond the
>> extent to which currency devaluation has increased the overall cost of
>> living.
>
> That makes sense.
>
>
>
>> The relationship between the value of the dollar and overall
>> inflation is not positive, and over the course of time, may in fact show
>> to
>> be negative.
>
> Do you have a reference for this?
>
It's a tough one; you can do a google on it and find reports showing both
positive and negative correlations. Inflation as we're comfortable defining
it (in other words, ignoring those who feel that, from the day we got rid of
gold as the standard for our currency, we introduced all manner of hidden,
demonic inflationary devices that are deliberately kept out of the indices)
has been on a decline from 1990-2004. That can be seen here-
http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Annual_Inflation/annual_inflation_chart.htm

The dollar was on a decline from 1990-1995, and then began an upward climb
from then through 2001 against most major currencies. Since 2001, we have
seen a steady decline in the US Dollar vs the Euro (the single easiest
relevant currency to compare it to). You can play around with various
currencies here- http://www.measuringworth.com/exchangeglobal/

So perhaps there is no clear correlation at all! It's enough to make your
head spin if you really get inside all the numbers. Unfortunately, I can't
avoid it; it was my chosen field of study in college. Trust me, there are
very good reasons why I chose a different path. When I graduated, the world
was still reeling from the impact of the dissolution of the Bretton Woods
currency agreements.

>>
>> But fear not; every once in a blue moon, important people meet to discuss
>> what should, and should not, be included in the various inflation
>> indices.
>> Perhaps you can make a compelling case for them to kick out something
>> insignificant, like, say, a half gallon of milk, and replace it with wool
>> cycling jerseys!
>
> Perhaps they'll even replace it with carbon fiber, eh? ;-)
>
Perhaps! But I hope not. I think the price of a half-gallon of milk is more
relevant to this country's well-being than the price of a carbon fiber
frame. Or wool jersey.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:269631e7-bcfd-4038-b4f3-919e6bda44f8@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 22, 3:24 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >> > > IIRC, good wool jerseys retailed for $35-40 in the mid-1980s.
>> >> > > According to the inflation calculator at Westegg.com, $35 in "1985
>> >> > > dollars" is $65.49 in "2006 dollars". so, the price of a wool
>> >> > > jersey
>> >> > > has effectively doubled (adjusted for inflation) in the past ~20
>> >> > > years. I would consider a new wool jersey if the retail price was
>> >> > > $65-70; but at $130+, never!
>>
>> >> > You've pretty much nailed the reason a wool jersey costs so much
>> >> > then.
>> >> > Add
>> >> > the inflation calculator to the devaluation of the dollar that's
>> >> > happened
>> >> > during the same time frame, and you probably get darn close to the
>> >> > $130
>> >> > current pricing.
>>
>> >> Wool jerseys have been pricey for several years, whilst the decline of
>> >> the dollar is a bit more recent. And, do not inflation figures account
>> >> for currency value?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> Inflation figures show the overall average for everything a typical
>> person
>> buys. There's no built-in adjustment for currency devaluation, beyond the
>> extent to which currency devaluation has increased the overall cost of
>> living.
>
> That makes sense.
>
>
>
>> The relationship between the value of the dollar and overall
>> inflation is not positive, and over the course of time, may in fact show
>> to
>> be negative.
>
> Do you have a reference for this?
>
>
>>
>> But fear not; every once in a blue moon, important people meet to discuss
>> what should, and should not, be included in the various inflation
>> indices.
>> Perhaps you can make a compelling case for them to kick out something
>> insignificant, like, say, a half gallon of milk, and replace it with wool
>> cycling jerseys!
>
> Perhaps they'll even replace it with carbon fiber, eh? ;-)
>
>
>

Tom

01-03-1970, 08:23 PM

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>>> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
>>>> I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
>>>> chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
>>>> up...
>>> Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
>>> opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
>>> equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
>>>
>>> Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
>> In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a
>> synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But
>> they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool
>> isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very
>> well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if
>> it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used
>> to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
>
> Kucharik was actually one of the first to come up with a reasonable
> alternative to wool. Helenca, I think the fabric was called. Not the
> greatest by today's standards, but much nicer than the wool of the day. Some
> of the wool shorts Kucharik sold were a "blend" of wool and nylon (which he
> also used in some of his jerseys) and were a step up as well. If the shorts
> you own are fairly thin, that's probably what they are.
>
>> The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than
>> wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.
>
> OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a
> "real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the two!
> Any takers?
Mike,

Mr. K still makes me shorts with real chamois and no padding. He doesn't
stock them in the store that way; I have to come back in a couple of
days to pick them up.

My last pair of woolen shorts retired in about 1993 or so. I remember
that they had a large hole right smack dab in the middle of my left butt
cheek. I tried to patch them, but never with any success. I retired them
about two rides short of an obscenity charge...

Cheers,

Tom

marika

01-03-1970, 08:23 PM

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:lMr1j.2788$fl7.1933@newssvr22.news.prodigy.ne t...

>
> OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a
> "real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the
> two! Any takers?

Stand up?
Whasup?

mk5000

>

"in order to adjust itself
in order to adjust itself
horse meat on monkey day?
you again reads itself"--the matrix of the matrix of the matrix, "--jd
nelson

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:23 PM

>> OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a
>> "real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the
>> two! Any takers?
>
> Stand up?
> Whasup?
>
> mk5000
>
>>
>
> "in order to adjust itself
> in order to adjust itself
> horse meat on monkey day?
> you again reads itself"--the matrix of the matrix of the matrix, "--jd
> nelson

Kenneth, what's the frequency?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:lMr1j.2788$fl7.1933@newssvr22.news.prodigy.ne t...
>
>>
>> OK, so we're still waiting for someone to stand up for wool shorts with a
>> "real" leather chamois. Oh heck, we'll even settle for just one of the
>> two! Any takers?
>
> Stand up?
> Whasup?
>
> mk5000
>
>>
>
> "in order to adjust itself
> in order to adjust itself
> horse meat on monkey day?
> you again reads itself"--the matrix of the matrix of the matrix, "--jd
> nelson
>

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-03-1970, 08:23 PM

> Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry
> out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many
> modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.

If you have shorts with synthetic chamois that take longer to dry than real
leather, it's a pretty poor synthetic chamois. The fact that it takes longer
to dry means it's going to keep moisture while riding as well. That's very
bad. What brand are they?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote in message
news:ltednR7A6NAG4tvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:bZY0j.24034$JD.23715@newssvr21.news.prodigy.n et...
>> > I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>> >
>> > If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by
>> > it
>>
>> I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
> chamois
>> are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought up...
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>
> Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry
> out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many
> modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
>
> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
> found them.
>
> Chas.
>
>

Jay Beattie

01-03-1970, 08:23 PM

On Nov 22, 11:22 pm, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bZY0j.24034$JD.23715@newssvr21.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> > > I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>
> > > If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by
> > > it
>
> > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
> chamois
> > are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought up...
>
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They dry
> out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many
> modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
>
> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
> found them.

I still have a bunch of wool jerseys, too, and like them for
particular weather conditions. They are the perfect weight for use
under rain gear -- good breathability and not too hot. As for leather
chamois, I don't miss them. Not that I like some of the load-in-the-
shorts synthetics, but I do like the fact that they do not have to be
pampered like lap dogs. Wash and wear. -- Jay Beattie.

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 08:23 PM

* * Chas wrote:
> ...
> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
> found them.

Do not people use moth balls anymore?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:24 PM

On Nov 23, 1:27 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
>
> news:timmcn-28270D.17074621112007@news.iphouse.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <hN6dnQVJXLWw8dnanZ2dnUVZ_u3in...@ptd.net>,
> > "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
>
> > > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > > >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
>
> > > >> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
>
> > > > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real leather
> > > > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
> > > > up...
>
> > > Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
> > > opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
> > > equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are horrible.
>
> > > Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
>
> > In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that have a
> > synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather. But
> > they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The wool
> > isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath very
> > well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you if
> > it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People used
> > to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
>
> > The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer than
> > wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.
>
> I had new pair of Giordana Lycra shorts that were about 10 years old. They
> started looking weird after I washed them and during the next wearing they
> just about fell off because the elastic in the Lycra deteriorated.
>
> Chas.

I think there may have been something about the Lycra Giordana was
using at one point. In the late '80s I had a pair of Giordana shorts;
they were great, nice long legs, nice fit, nice real chamois, etc. But
the Lycra stretched and 'bagged out' in short order (far faster than
the comparatively el-cheapo Performance shorts I also used at the
time). Bummer....

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:24 PM

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:d8738c6d-cc47-41b0-95c0-93ca4f088a34@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 1:27 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> > "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:timmcn-28270D.17074621112007@news.iphouse.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <hN6dnQVJXLWw8dnanZ2dnUVZ_u3in...@ptd.net>,
> > > "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > > > >> I've been thinking abt switching back to wool as well.
> >
> > > > >> If you read the Rivendell catalog they seem to swear by it
> >
> > > > > I'm waiting for someone to claim that wool shorts with real
leather
> > > > > chamois are a great idea. Since Rivendell has now been brought
> > > > > up...
> >
> > > > Yeah, right. For my money, "fake" chamois and lycra shorts, as
> > > > opposed to the "real" things, are the best improvements in cycling
> > > > equipment since the pneumatic tire. Those old shorts are
horrible.
> >
> > > > Yeah, wool is just what you need in 100+ degree temperatures.
> >
> > > In general, I agree. I have a pair of wool Kucharik shorts that
have a
> > > synthetic chamois and are very comfortable even in warm weather.
But
> > > they lack, ummm, support which can lead to some discomfort. The
wool
> > > isn't really any hotter than Lycra, since the latter doesn't breath
very
> > > well at all. But OTOH Lycra doesn't sag or just about fall off you
if
> > > it gets rained on and the legs don't creep up as you ride. People
used
> > > to wear suspenders with their wool shorts.
> >
> > > The other thing I find is that Lycra shorts last much, much longer
than
> > > wool shorts. Wool doesn't have much abrasion resistance.
> >
> > I had new pair of Giordana Lycra shorts that were about 10 years old.
They
> > started looking weird after I washed them and during the next wearing
they
> > just about fell off because the elastic in the Lycra deteriorated.
> >
> > Chas.
>
> I think there may have been something about the Lycra Giordana was
> using at one point. In the late '80s I had a pair of Giordana shorts;
> they were great, nice long legs, nice fit, nice real chamois, etc. But
> the Lycra stretched and 'bagged out' in short order (far faster than
> the comparatively el-cheapo Performance shorts I also used at the
> time). Bummer....

When I took them off it was like a snake shedding it's skin. They were a
dead pile on the floor!

Chas.

marika

01-03-1970, 08:24 PM

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:S_D1j.815$NY.175@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...

>
>
> Kenneth, what's the frequency?
>

Have you guys seen this commericial where this elementary school girl in
beret
and stuff does this poetry and then the light comes on and she is in her
classroom and her classmates are snapping

In Chicago that would be a dis

but obviously she is dressed up as a beat poet,

I say well cool concept

But how does this make kids want to watch Nikelodeon
or are they saying they are poetic in their choices of viewing

Well maybe spongebob square pants, but that is where it ends

mk5000

----- Original Message -----
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> we closed so many venues, we held out at each one.
>
> One of last ones, the owner really dicked us over but had his girlfriend
> send a ridiculous letter to us all
>
> Let me tell you that I just reread this thing
> that the girlfriend put out
> and I have 2 things to say
> Let me add one more thing
>
> THIS IS NOT THE LETTER OF A BUSINESS PERSON> IN FACT IF I WAS TO ASSESS
> THIS AS
> A BUSINESSPERSON MY ANSWER IS IT IS FULL OF **** AND PULLING ON HEART
> STRINGS
> The owner IS FULL OF CRAP HIS ANSWER WAS THAT HE WAS HAVING A PARTY AT HIS
> HOUSE
> AND FIGURED WHY THE **** COME DOWN
> He wouldn't open the doors for us when we hosted a really incredible
> show -- 2 really good performers from New York area.
> DO NOT LET PEOPLE PLAY YOUR HEART STRINGS
> LISSEN TO THEM HEAR THEM OUT AND THEN REMEMBER THAT IN THE LONG RUN THIS
> IS A
> BUSINESS DEAL
> NOT A PERSONAL DECISION
> I HAVE LOTS OF OTHER VERY PERSONAL AND NASTY THINGS THAT I COULD SAY ABOUT
> THESE
> PEOPLE INCLUDING MR KNIGHTINNOARMOR AT ALL BUT I WILL RESERVE THEM FOR
> WHEN
> I SEE
> YOU RATHER THAN PUBLICIZE IT HERE
> Mr Knightinarmor had the keys and he refused to open the door for us to
> put on the show, even though we'd booked the place a month in advance.
> Absurd
> Because the owner was at a labor day barbecue
> we asked him three times if he was sure he was going to open that day
>
>
> DO NOT READD THOSE PEOPLE TO OUR DISCUSSIONTHEY DONOT NEED TO KNOW OUR BIZ
>
>
> "marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eN6dnZCV5eYIctvanZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@rcn.net...
>> are there movies based on great poems - you bet
>>
>> Wouldn't it be neat if you had a poem with a story that could be turned
>> into a movie?
>>
>> you all do!
>>
>> One contemporary example - slam's own "Love Jones"
>>
>>
>> mk5000
>>
>> ShowBIZ Data, the most comprehensive entertainment database on the
>> internet, in association with Net Worth Productions, an independent film
>> production company, is proud to announce the debut of "The Worldwide
>> Pitch Festival", a revolutionary internet concept that will allow people
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>> Sundance Film Festival, January 20th - 30th).
>>
>
>

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:24 PM

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:j1E1j.816$NY.455@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> > Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They
dry
> > out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many
> > modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
>
> If you have shorts with synthetic chamois that take longer to dry than
real
> leather, it's a pretty poor synthetic chamois. The fact that it takes
longer
> to dry means it's going to keep moisture while riding as well. That's
very
> bad. What brand are they?
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I have a pair of Sugoi Lycra shorts that take forever to dry. They fit
well but the feminine protection like crotch pad tends to get caught on
the front of my seat when I sit back down after riding out of the saddle.

I have short legs in proportion to my height and it's hard to find riding
shorts that fit my waist but don't come down over my knees like knickers.

The advantage of real leather chamois is that it can be ridden comfortably
while still damp. After the initial body shock and retraction they warm up
and are nice and soft.

The disadvantage of Sergal and similar wool shorts is having to use
suspenders (braces) to keep them from falling down.

Chas.

Michael Press

01-03-1970, 08:25 PM

In article
<1cydnb1ha5HqvNranZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:

> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:j1E1j.816$NY.455@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> > > Sergal wool shorts with real leather chamois are a great idea. They
> dry
> > > out after washing a lot faster that the Depends thick padding in many
> > > modern riding shorts. I know what feminine protection feels like now.
> >
> > If you have shorts with synthetic chamois that take longer to dry than
> real
> > leather, it's a pretty poor synthetic chamois. The fact that it takes
> longer
> > to dry means it's going to keep moisture while riding as well. That's
> very
> > bad. What brand are they?
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> > www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> I have a pair of Sugoi Lycra shorts that take forever to dry. They fit
> well but the feminine protection like crotch pad tends to get caught on
> the front of my seat when I sit back down after riding out of the saddle.
>
> I have short legs in proportion to my height and it's hard to find riding
> shorts that fit my waist but don't come down over my knees like knickers.

Maybe bib knickers? They will look like they are supposed
to extend past the knees, and the suspenders mean that
waist size is less critical.

> The advantage of real leather chamois is that it can be ridden comfortably
> while still damp. After the initial body shock and retraction they warm up
> and are nice and soft.
>
> The disadvantage of Sergal and similar wool shorts is having to use
> suspenders (braces) to keep them from falling down.

--
Michael Press

Luke

01-03-1970, 08:25 PM

In article
<a38c13d4-dce6-4359-95af-1c5dd9695cf3@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Zruk <stankurz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 20, 10:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Any websites that sell good wool
> > jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> > ass in synthetics that promise but don't
> > deliver.
>
> Anything connected to cycling gets marked up out of sight. Good wool
> 'tops' are available in a variety of guises from thrift shops to
> discount clothing stores. If you get them cheaply enough you can have
> a full zipper put in for a few bucks. One strategy i have used to good
> effect is to buy wool that is way too big and to wash and dry the
> machine ,hot water, anticipating shrink to fit. Look through your old
> collection of sweaters. Unless you must make a fashion statement you
> may find some useful treasures and the occasional moth hole probably
> won't have to much effect on you aerodynamics ;)

Sage advice.

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:27 PM

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fi7un7$t8e$3@registered.motzarella.org...
> * * Chas wrote:
> > ...
> > I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
> > found them.
>
> Do not people use moth balls anymore?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

They were in storage for a long time. They looked like chantilly lace.
After a while even mothballs give out.

Chas.

marika

01-03-1970, 08:27 PM

"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote in message
news:xJudnXFOnrBRH9ranZ2dnUVZ_v2pnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>

>
> After a while even mothballs give out.
>

that's why you never really need an exterminator

mk5000

"Walnut oil will also work, but Almond
is lower viscosity so it penetrates better. I get mine at a health food
store. A small bottle seems expensive, but I've been using the same one
for at least 10 years. Also works great on cutting boards around the
kitchen."--

Jim mcgill

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 08:27 PM

* * Chas wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fi7un7$t8e$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>> * * Chas wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
>>> found them.
>> Do not people use moth balls anymore?
>
> They were in storage for a long time. They looked like chantilly lace.
> After a while even mothballs give out.

Hmmm... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_dip>?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

A Muzi

01-03-1970, 08:27 PM

>> * * Chas wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
>>> found them.

> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
>> Do not people use moth balls anymore?

* * Chas wrote:
> They were in storage for a long time. They looked like chantilly lace.
> After a while even mothballs give out.

I keep woolens in ziploc
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:28 PM

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fi86sk$o28$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> * * Chas wrote:
> > "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:fi7un7$t8e$3@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> * * Chas wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the
moths
> >>> found them.
> >> Do not people use moth balls anymore?
> >
> > They were in storage for a long time. They looked like chantilly lace.
> > After a while even mothballs give out.
>
> Hmmm... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_dip>?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>

On second thought maybe Lycra isn't all that bad....

Chas.

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 08:29 PM

On Nov 24, 9:57 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> * * Chas wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> I had a bunch of wool shorts, tights and leg warmers - till the moths
> >>> found them.
> > "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
> >> Do not people use moth balls anymore?
> * * Chas wrote:
> > They were in storage for a long time. They looked like chantilly lace.
> > After a while even mothballs give out.
>
> I keep woolens in ziploc

Yep, a sealed plastic bags foils moths every time.

marika

01-03-1970, 08:29 PM

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13kgi5gagud2c4d@corp.supernews.com...

> I keep woolens in ziploc
> --

ifyou cannot remember who this is they were also in odd Couplemk5000"Aren't
they going to be pushing for Congressional
investigations into all this if they recover one or both chambers
of Congress?
I'm looking forward to that. Should be very interesting, once the
Democrats finish riding the Mark Foley scandal all the way to their
coveted goal of majority status."--marvin the paranoid android

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 08:29 PM

andresmuro@aol.com aka Andres Muro wrote:
> On Nov 20, 11:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Any websites that sell good wool
>> jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
>> ass in synthetics that promise but don't
>> deliver.
>
> you need to wear fleece. Its the best fabric available. It comes in
> all thicknesses and it stays dry and comfortable no matter what. You
> can get fleece underwear, mid-layers and jackets. and they are cheap.
> Depending on how cold it is, you can wear some thin synthetic
> underwear, a thin fleece layer, another thicker fleece vest and a
> nylon jacket on top. You can add and eliminate layers as you please.
> If you must wear wool, you can get a wool cashmire, or merino sweater
> on sale at Marshals, Ross, or any discount store.

If fleece is so great, why do the sheep wear wool instead?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

* * Chas

01-03-1970, 08:29 PM

<andresmuro@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ec23e93b-7d60-482b-a1fd-fccad0ac9a1e@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 20, 11:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Any websites that sell good wool
> > jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> > ass in synthetics that promise but don't
> > deliver.
>
> you need to wear fleece. Its the best fabric available. It comes in
> all thicknesses and it stays dry and comfortable no matter what. You
> can get fleece underwear, mid-layers and jackets. and they are cheap.
> Depending on how cold it is, you can wear some thin synthetic
> underwear, a thin fleece layer, another thicker fleece vest and a
> nylon jacket on top. You can add and eliminate layers as you please.
> If you must wear wool, you can get a wool cashmire, or merino sweater
> on sale at Marshals, Ross, or any discount store.

Last year after trying on at least a dozen different pairs of long riding
tights and bibs priced $100+, I bought several pairs of warm-up pants for
$15 each. They're black made of 50% cotton, 50% polyester and have a
fleecy inner surface. I was lucky to find some that fit nice and snug on
my legs and aren't too long. They're also pretty windproof. Also there's
no Depend pad to sit on.

Chas.

andresmuro@aol.com

01-03-1970, 08:29 PM

On Nov 24, 9:56 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> andresm...@aol.com aka Andres Muro wrote:
>
> > On Nov 20, 11:50 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Any websites that sell good wool
> >> jerseys? I'm just tired of freezing my
> >> ass in synthetics that promise but don't
> >> deliver.
>
> > you need to wear fleece. Its the best fabric available. It comes in
> > all thicknesses and it stays dry and comfortable no matter what. You
> > can get fleece underwear, mid-layers and jackets. and they are cheap.
> > Depending on how cold it is, you can wear some thin synthetic
> > underwear, a thin fleece layer, another thicker fleece vest and a
> > nylon jacket on top. You can add and eliminate layers as you please.
> > If you must wear wool, you can get a wool cashmire, or merino sweater
> > on sale at Marshals, Ross, or any discount store.
>
> If fleece is so great, why do the sheep wear wool instead?
>
And hoofs, and they run. We on the other hand use tennis shoes and
bicycles and other man made technology in many circumstances. I know
that wool is very good and a naturally occurring product. But fleece
has surpassed in terms of weightlessness's cost and confort.

Andres
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
> differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
> excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter