Advice, please on a WIDE (700 x 36) commuting tire.

[Fitz]

I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
worth, please.

Thanks!

Fitz

[Tom]

Fitz wrote:
> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> worth, please.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fitz
Fitz -

I've been very happy with the Continental City Ride - 700X37. Tough and
cheap, you can find it at REI for about $17.

Just retired a set with 6611 miles on them.

Cheers,

Tom

[Pete Biggs]

Fitz wrote:
> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> worth, please.

Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700 x 35

~PB

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Nov 22, 12:14 am, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> worth, please.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fitz

Another suggestion: Panaracer T-Serv 700 x 35 or 700x 37 (other sizes
available, too). Originally designed for urban messengers, so they're
pretty darn tough in situations where time = money. Well made,
reasonable rolling resistance, etc. Under $30 if purchased online.

http://www.panaracer.com

[cyclingthings@gmail.com]

On Nov 22, 1:14 am, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> worth, please.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fitz

specialized armadillo, best tire for the money. it is a 300 grams
tire, but i have only had 1 flat in 2 years with it
carlos
www.bikingthings.com
ride more, get faster, get fit, be happy

[Kinky Cowboy]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:14:39 -0800 (PST), Fitz <itzfitz@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
>and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
>worth, please.

The bling choice is Schwalbe Marathon Supreme, expensive but
brilliant. Conti Sport Contact is good too.

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary

[datakoll]

What you need is a thorn proof tube or a thorn proof tube with sealant
Then a tire with a circumferential Kevlar, aramid fiber or vectran
belt under the contact surface
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqSection.jsp?sid=EquipTubesRoad

Scwalbe has new equipment and your width but Conti has experience,
also suggesting you do not need that much width.
Continental Contact Security is kinda industrial and bullet proof but
need shaving and breaking in to reduce excessive slipperiness and
squirm for the GT set.
The other Conti are graded from industrial bullet proof to café
touring in the Conti TT. The TT should be excellent with a thornproof
tube. A TT flows over berm sand skim with grace and agility.
Tourist Trophy - cross europe in a front engined Ferrari tire


http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=625

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/index.php?category=627

[Chalo]

Pete Biggs wrote:
>
> Fitz wrote:
> >
> > I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> > and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> > worth, please.
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700 x 35

Or 700 x 38, if that will fit. But I second the suggestion of
Marathon Plus tires. They are surprisingly fast and impervious to the
usual types of thorn and glass punctures. And they ride superbly.
Their weight and cost are their only obvious drawbacks.

Chalo

[Joel Mayes]

On 2007-11-22, Pete Biggs
<p@pomegranateremovehighlyimpracticalfruitbiggs.tc> wrote:
> Fitz wrote:
>> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
>> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
>> worth, please.
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700 x 35
>

I prefer the Schwalbe Marathon over the Marathon Plus, the extra layer
in the Plus tends to affect handling when if your riding style has big
leans into corners

But if it doesn't...

Cheers

Joel
--
Human Powered Cycles | High quality servicing and repairs
joel@humanpowered.com.au | Affordable second hand bikes
(03) 9029 6504 | Bicycle reuse centre
www.humanpowered.com.au | Mechanical and on-road training and instruction

[John Henderson]

Pete Biggs wrote:

> Fitz wrote:
>> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to
>> punctures and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to
>> me. Your two-cents- worth, please.
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700 x 35

Marathon XR is claimed to outperform the Marathon Plus in both
grip and durability, but with comparable and excellent puncture
protection. See http://tinyurl.com/3866nn and
http://tinyurl.com/25xyyf to compare.

John

[still just me]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:42:21 -0000, "Pete Biggs"
<p@pomegranateremovehighlyimpracticalfruitbiggs.tc> wrote:

>Fitz wrote:
>> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
>> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
>> worth, please.

I think you need to forget about 700c and move to 650B to get what you
want.

<ducking>

[landotter]

On Nov 22, 5:38 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 12:14 am, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> > and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> > worth, please.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Fitz
>
> Another suggestion: Panaracer T-Serv 700 x 35 or 700x 37 (other sizes
> available, too). Originally designed for urban messengers, so they're
> pretty darn tough in situations where time = money. Well made,
> reasonable rolling resistance, etc. Under $30 if purchased online.

Ya, heard great things about them. Light, tough--what's not to like?

I've got 2,500 miles on the IRC Tandems on my fixed gear so far (30mm)
with a mix of fire road and urban hell. No punctures--I don't even
bother steering around broken glass any more. $20 or so each.

Performance Bike has some new tires that look to be a Marathon clone,
right down to the tread:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=24205&subcategory_ID=5425

Never tried them--but never have used a bad house brand tire by either
them or Nashbar. $15/each.

[southphilly]

On Nov 22, 10:25 am, John Henderson <jhenRemoveT...@talk21.com> wrote:
> Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Fitz wrote:
> >> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to
> >> punctures and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to
> >> me. Your two-cents- worth, please.
>
> > Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700 x 35
>
> Marathon XR is claimed to outperform the Marathon Plus in both
> grip and durability, but with comparable and excellent puncture
> protection. Seehttp://tinyurl.com/3866nnandhttp://tinyurl.com/25xyyfto compare.
>
> John

I first had a pair of Continental Sport Contact tires with the "Safety
System"--Continental's puncture resistent belt. They worked pretty
well, but I'm more impressed with the Specialized Nimbus tires with
the "Armadillo" belt I replaced them with. Of course, I haven't done
a controlled experiment, but the Specialized tires have thicker side
walls. I've commuted from Cambridge, MA to Salem and Cambridge to
Brockton for about a year with two flats--both on rainy days and both
to the rear Continental. Some of the roads I ride on are pretty
industrial with the occational drivewall screw, staple, or other
hazzard. When I do ride my normal road bike with normal 23c racing
tires on these routes I get a flat about half the time. You'd think
I'd learn...

[Tom Sherman]

still just me wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:42:21 -0000, "Pete Biggs"
> <p@pomegranateremovehighlyimpracticalfruitbiggs.tc> wrote:
>
>> Fitz wrote:
>>> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
>>> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
>>> worth, please.
>
> I think you need to forget about 700c and move to 650B to get what you
> want.

When 650B (ISO 584-mm) becomes common, it will be time to move to 650A
(ISO 590-mm) for lower rolling resistance in a wheel that still offers
the benefits of being smaller than 700C (ISO 622-mm).

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Nov 22, 9:49 am, still just me <wheeledBobNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:42:21 -0000, "Pete Biggs"
>
> <p...@pomegranateremovehighlyimpracticalfruitbiggs. tc> wrote:
> >Fitz wrote:
> >> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
> >> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
> >> worth, please.
>
> I think you need to forget about 700c and move to 650B to get what you
> want.
>
> <ducking>

Correct-o-mundo! 650B solves all problems with getting a flat whilst
commuting by making your existing bike unrideable! ;-)

[A Muzi]

>> "Pete Biggs" <p@pomegranateremovehighlyimpracticalfruitbiggs.tc> wrote:
>>> Fitz wrote:
>>>> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
>>>> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
>>>> worth, please.

> still just me wrote:
>> I think you need to forget about 700c and move to 650B to get what you
>> want.

Tom Sherman wrote:
> When 650B (ISO 584-mm) becomes common, it will be time to move to 650A
> (ISO 590-mm) for lower rolling resistance in a wheel that still offers
> the benefits of being smaller than 700C (ISO 622-mm).

In the 1930s the popular 'performance' size for Club bikes was -597!!

These (-559 through -630) are all within reasonable range of human power
and road surface so the last bit of selection is just fashion,
marketing, specific product availability, inertia, etc
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[MkTm]

landotter wrote:
> On Nov 22, 5:38 am, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 12:14 am, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need a bulletproof 700 commuter tire that is resistant to punctures
>>> and very durable. Its weight is not a concern to me. Your two-cents-
>>> worth, please.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Fitz
>> Another suggestion: Panaracer T-Serv 700 x 35 or 700x 37 (other sizes
>> available, too). Originally designed for urban messengers, so they're
>> pretty darn tough in situations where time = money. Well made,
>> reasonable rolling resistance, etc. Under $30 if purchased online.
>
> Ya, heard great things about them. Light, tough--what's not to like?
>
> I've got 2,500 miles on the IRC Tandems on my fixed gear so far (30mm)
> with a mix of fire road and urban hell. No punctures--I don't even
> bother steering around broken glass any more. $20 or so each.
>
> Performance Bike has some new tires that look to be a Marathon clone,
> right down to the tread:
> http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=24205&subcategory_ID=5425
>
> Never tried them--but never have used a bad house brand tire by either
> them or Nashbar. $15/each.

I use the Performance Forté ST Cross/K Road Tire which you can see off
the page in the link above. It has a Kevlar belt which helps enormously
in preventing flats. I went from having a flat a week to about 1 in 6
months when I switched to Kevlar belted. That was initially with my gas
pipe 27 1/4" bike. When I got my new bike I got a flat within a couple
of days with the original tires (25C). I switched to Kevlar and upsized
the width to ease the stiffness of the ride, going to 35C. I can't say
the tires are "bullet proof" but then "proof" is a bull**** word anyway.
The ST Cross/K usually go for about $12. If you check the linked page
above you'll see they're on sale for $9.99. I've got more than 20,000
miles now on my "new" bike and I'm very happy with these tires.

[Pete Biggs]

landotter wrote:

>> Another suggestion: Panaracer T-Serv 700 x 35 or 700x 37 (other sizes
>> available, too). Originally designed for urban messengers, so they're
>> pretty darn tough in situations where time = money. Well made,
>> reasonable rolling resistance, etc. Under $30 if purchased online.
>
> Ya, heard great things about them. Light, tough--what's not to like?

The OP doesn't care about weight (or high speed, I guess) so might as well
get the most puncture resistant pneumatic road tyre available. Marathon
Plus weighs a ton but is extremely puncture resistant thanks to its thick
layer of foam under the tread - putting a lot of distance between the road
and the inner tube. Thin but tough tyres are never tough enough to compete
with this (in terms of puncture resistance).

~PB

[Tom Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
>...
>> still just me wrote:
>>> I think you need to forget about 700c and move to 650B to get what you
>>> want.
>
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> When 650B (ISO 584-mm) becomes common, it will be time to move to 650A
>> (ISO 590-mm) for lower rolling resistance in a wheel that still offers
>> the benefits of being smaller than 700C (ISO 622-mm).
>
> In the 1930s the popular 'performance' size for Club bikes was -597!!
>
> These (-559 through -630) are all within reasonable range of human power
> and road surface so the last bit of selection is just fashion,
> marketing, specific product availability, inertia, etc

When both 650B (ISO 584-mm) and 650A (ISO 590-mm) become passé, we can
revive 700D (ISO 587-mm) to split the difference.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Chalo]

Pete Biggs wrote:
>
> The OP doesn't care about weight (or high speed, I guess) so might as well
> get the most puncture resistant pneumatic road tyre available. Marathon
> Plus weighs a ton but is extremely puncture resistant thanks to its thick
> layer of foam under the tread - putting a lot of distance between the road
> and the inner tube. Thin but tough tyres are never tough enough to compete
> with this (in terms of puncture resistance).

A great side benefit is that the first 6-8mm of your tire thinks it's
inflated to 35 psi-- no matter what pressure the casing is inflated
to. It's like dual-rate suspension springs for your tires.

Chalo

[Patrick Lamb]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:18:42 +0000, Kinky Cowboy <user@domain.com>
wrote:
>
>The bling choice is Schwalbe Marathon Supreme, expensive but
>brilliant. Conti Sport Contact is good too.

Continental Contact (don't know how different this is from the "Sport
Contact") wore really well for me. However, it wasn't as good at
puncture resistance as Vittoria Randonneurs, and getting the Contact
on and off was a bear. (Repeat for emphasis: Contacts are darned hard
to get on and off the rim, IME.) Eventually I tore the Contact up
fixing a flat -- damaged the sidewall wrestling with tire irons -- but
this was after some 4,000 miles. Tread was still good. Two plastic
tire "irons" weren't...

Pat

Email address works as is.

[datakoll]

try:

http://biketiresdirect.com/productdetail.asp?p=COAFR

[datakoll]

http://biketiresdirect.com/productdetail.asp?p=COTTO

[datakoll]

baaaaa,

try cleaning rim tube tire then spraying inside tite, tube, tire bead
with CRC HD silicone available at walmort.

let me tell you how to dismount a tire.
clean/wipe tire rim with rag.
deflate tire delfate deflate
spray (if available) dismount sidewall section with CRC
squeeze tire walls together 360 degrees away from you
insert Park's lever away from you and hook
squeeze squueze squeeze tires wall's toward lever
repeat three times and squeezing wall's together toward rim center.
insert second park's lever next to first lever
pry out and hook
repeat with 3rd lever next to 2nd lever
remove 1st lever and place next to 3rd lever
or use 4th lever from second pack levers
repeat until bead is loose so that a finger inserted can be run along
rim top dislodging and pulling tire bead over rim top edge.
to mount:
clean all surfaces - with CRC and rag or thinner and rags then CHOH
and rag to remove thinner then spray with CRC lubing all surfaces
(clean rim braking surface when done)
place lever again away from you and hook in BUT THIS TIME USE A
EUROPEAN HOOKED LEVER not a park's spoonbill. HOOK IT.
then center tire bead 360 degrees
and squeeze tire wall's toward HOOKED LEVER
repeat repeat repeat.
now the tire wall and bead will go over the rim.
and you thought you knew how to do that...
the tire's and rims are mostly the same - the techniques are not

this is the last time I will write this in RBT!
savor

[datakoll]

let me tell you I wrote that wrong BUT I WAS THE FIRST TO WRITE IT.
baaaaaa STUPID. I'll do it over.

[datakoll]

On Nov 26, 8:42 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://biketiresdirect.com/productdetail.asp?p=COTTO

I forgot the T-serv from Panaracer. The Conti TT is the racer's
commuter.
The T-serv is the long distance trucker, hold the potato chips
http://www.panaracer.com/urban.php