Grab-On website, or, It's the Lord's Day on the web

[Chalo]

I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
foundling).

I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
product I was looking for, but the page said this:

"Our commercial website is closed over the
weekend in observance of the Sabbath.

"Why?

"Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8

"Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
available we invite you to click on this link."
[removed]

The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
harmless flavor.

I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
and email to help you do that.

If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
crackpot religion.

So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
its devotion to Gawd?

And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
religion on customers?

Chalo

[Roger Zoul]

"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> wrote
> "Pat" <Orion@starrynight.com> wrote in message
> news:5r0eaqF126q0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
>>>>> Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others
>>>>> display their devotion.
>>>>
>>>> Did you mean "conflicted"?
>>>
>>> No, I actually meant "convicted".
>>
>> Then I don't understand your point. What would he be convicted of?
>
> I think he means his conscience is bothered.
>

Exactly: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/convicted
>
con·vict
v. con·vict·ed, con·vict·ing, con·victs

v. tr.

1.. Law To find or prove (someone) guilty of an offense or crime,
especially by the verdict of a court: The jury convicted the defendant of
manslaughter.
2.. To show or declare to be blameworthy; condemn: His remarks convicted
him of a lack of sensitivity.
3.. To make aware of one's sinfulness or guilt
>

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-a5153912670f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> foundling).
>
> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> "Our commercial website is closed over the
> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> "Why?
>
> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> available we invite you to click on this link."
> [removed]
>
> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> harmless flavor.
>
> I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> and email to help you do that.
>
> If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> crackpot religion.
>
> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?

As it happens, Adbusters turned off their webstore during Black Friday,
or as they quaintly call it, "Buy Nothing Day." I suppose political
stands should be considered more, er, sacred, than religious ones.

> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?

Well, how bad did you need that part? I imagine that since they probably
don't ship anything until Monday anyways, not a lot of actual business
gets delayed.

And you know, you could hardly throw a stone at a BMX parts-maker
convention without hitting a company with an overtly blasphemous* name
or product name.

My only thought is that on one hand, I'd be very unlikely to buy
anything from Cove Bikes, because, well, I don't really want to ride
around on a bike that is called the Cove Handjob**. On the other, if I
found out that my favourite falafel shop was closed on Friday for
religious reasons***, my annoyance would extend no further than my
desire for falafel on Friday. I'm considerably more annoyed by the pizza
joint near my work that has very good pizza but which is sometimes
closed for business at random times with no indication of why.

Or to put it another way, if the guy down the street calls his company
Holy Cow bicycles, claims all of his frames are built with an eye to the
proper alignment of the rider's chakras, and includes a vial of water
from the Ganges with every purchase, my main questions will be about
durability and pricing.

*well, to Christians. Not a lot of BMX-based jibes at Hindus.
**like virtually all the Cove bikes names, this one is really more of a
double-entendre than an overt bit of rudeness. In another bike company,
you might assume that a bike name like "Shocker" was purely an
electrical reference, but put beside the "Playmate", "Stiffee",
"Hummer", "Sanchez", "Peeler", etc., well, you get the idea, as it were.
***purely theoretical example. I don't like falafel much.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[Tom Keats]

In article <f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-a5153912670f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> writes:

> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?
>
> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?

http://adbusters.org/metas/eco/bnd/

To paraphrase Dr. David Suzuki: "We used to have a Buy Nothing Day
once a week. We called it 'Sunday.'"

I think it can be good to take a break from consumerism
and materialism, and instead contemplate deeper values.
Or even actively work on those deeper values, especially
if they involve non-profit service to fellow humanity.
It doesn't have to be cloaked in religiosity. But I
personally figure we honour The Almighty, not by reserving
time for doing nothing but twiddling our thumbs, but for
concentratedly doing the /right/ things . Of course the
rest of the time we should be doing the right things too,
but it doesn't hurt to have a weekly reminder.

Just taking time off once a week from doing stuff is
mere mummery.


cheers,
Tom

If you're gonna ask me what I think the "right things"
are, my answer is: whatever supports, enriches and
positively affects our fellow humanity. The lyrics/song:
"Friends" off Led Zeppelin III says it all very nicely.
/That's/ my religion.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Bill Sornson]

Chalo wrote:
> I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> foundling).
>
> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> "Our commercial website is closed over the
> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> "Why?
>
> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> available we invite you to click on this link."
> [removed]
>
> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> harmless flavor.
>
> I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> and email to help you do that.
>
> If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> crackpot religion.
>
> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?
>
> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?
>
> Chalo

Since you neglect to post the link and a few minutes of Googling produced
retail outlets (including Sheldon's) only, I'd say they're hardly "pushing"
anything, even their products.

While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.

I don't recall ever seeing a website that "closes" on Sundays or the Sabbath
or /any/ specific holiday for that matter, but so what? If you don't like
it then don't do business with them. Simple.

Sounds like the one with issues is you.

Bill S.

[Jim Flom]

"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-a5153912670f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> foundling).
>
> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> "Our commercial website is closed over the
> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> "Why?
>
> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> available we invite you to click on this link."
> [removed]
>
> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> harmless flavor.
>
> I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> and email to help you do that.
>
> If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> crackpot religion.
>
> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?
>
> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?

You don't provide the website so we can't see for ourselves. From what you
say they're not "pushing their religion." They're exercising religious
freedom. It's a free country, it's a free world, they can do what they
like. If you don't like it shop somewhere else. On the other hand, you
could always generalize about Christians. It's popular.

--
JF

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Nov 24, 7:33 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> foundling).
>
> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> "Our commercial website is closed over the
> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> "Why?
>
> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> available we invite you to click on this link."
> [removed]
>
> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> harmless flavor.
>
> I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> and email to help you do that.
>
> If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> crackpot religion.
>
> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?
>
> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?
>

If they have a product you want or need and they're willing to sell to
heathens, heretics and other non-believers, why not??

[landotter]

On Nov 24, 7:33 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Christhole

It's ****ing incredible--when it dilates, you can fit an entire VW
Beetle in there!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

[Chalo]

Chalo wrote:
>
> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> "Our commercial website is closed over the
> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> "Why?
>
> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> available we invite you to click on this link."
> [removed]
>
> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> harmless flavor.

Update: Now that it's Sunday, the Grab-On website page is back up,
including the shopping cart.

http://www.grabongrips.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9

So I guess the Jebus fans at Grab-On are Seventh-day Adventists.

I'm going to seek my foam tubes elsewhere, or just use cork tape.
Does anyone know of an alternate source of tubular grips for drop
bars? I'm looking for some about 8" long, so track grips aren't
ideal.

Chalo

[Zoot Katz]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:33:36 -0800 (PST), Chalo
<chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:

>If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
>do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
>during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_.

"In 1996, the Institute of Science and Halacha in Israel began
working on invisible inks so that Orthodox Jewish doctors could write
prescriptions on the Sabbath - avoiding the Biblical injunction
against creation on the day of rest! If a handwriting specimen faded
away, it could be deemed a temporary, and therefore permissible,
creation."

>Leaving the
>website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
>like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
>Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
>crackpot religion.

Some do: http://www.closedsundays.org/

Here's a rant about online banking services being closed Sundays, so
they could be affected by something like that.

http://matthom.com/archive/2005/10/30/online-banking-closed-on-sundays/feedback/#1612
\
>And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
>religion on customers?

I find the best Mexican restaurants usually have a devotional alter
to the Virgin or at least a crucifix prominently displayed. My
favourite Thai and Vietnamese restaurants have your basic household
Buddhist shrines A portrait of the Aga Khan or Guru Nanak Dev Ji
looks out over the cash register in stores and services I frequent.
The Park tool website is preachy, IMO. I've probably bought one of
their products on Sunday in store devoid of religious symbols.
--
zk

[Roger Zoul]

"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-

> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?

Who does that? The website you mention isn't pushing anything are they?
You're completely free to do as you will.

[Michael Baldwin]

....So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to
show its devotion to Gawd?
And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
religion on customers?
Chalo

Dear Chalo

I normally don't reply and/or enter the fray regarding such posts as
yours, but for you I'll make an exception.

I'm not a religious man however I applaud the folks at GRABON for
standing up for the beliefs.

It's my opinion that to many entities in the United States have chosen
the easy way out on virtually every facet of life for the sake of being
politically correct.

I bought my first pair of GRABON grips nearly 30 years ago. They were
made in the USA then and they still are today.

Please go buy your "knock-off" GRABON grips . Hopefully they're NOT
produced with child labor. Hopefully they're NOT produced in a country
that bans religious freedoms. Hopefully they're NOT produced in a
factory that dumps industrial waste into the rivers.

I'm tired of the levellers who need to drain our society down to their
level, just to be heard.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

[max]

In article
<f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-a5153912670f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:


> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?
>
> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?
>
> Chalo

lighten up, francis.

..max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

[brink]

"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-a5153912670f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> foundling).
>
> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> "Our commercial website is closed over the
> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> "Why?
>
> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> available we invite you to click on this link."
> [removed]
>
> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> harmless flavor.
>
> I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> and email to help you do that.
>
> If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> crackpot religion.
>
> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> its devotion to Gawd?
>
> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> religion on customers?

"Pushy" and "preachy" is in the eye of the beholder.... and there are
millions of people who would find the anti-car sentiments expressed here to
be both.

Let's face it: if you aren't a believer in
God/vegetarianism/bicycling/Hillary Clinton/whatever, you probably aren't
real keen on someone telling you that you *should* be, especially if you
don't know them.

But that's where it gets tricky; does that mean we should all be meek little
people afraid to wear our hearts on our sleeves (literally, as in a shirt
with political, religious, or environmental beliefs)?

That's where that whole "eye of the beholder" thing comes into play. And
personally I think you overreacted.

brink

[Chalo]

On Nov 24, 8:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> Chalo wrote:
> > I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> > squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> > foundling).
>
> > I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> > product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> > "Our commercial website is closed over the
> > weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> > "Why?
>
> > "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> > our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> > Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> > "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> > available we invite you to click on this link."
> > [removed]
>
> > The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> > harmless flavor.
>
> > I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> > never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> > I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> > to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> > and email to help you do that.
>
> > If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> > do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> > during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> > website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> > like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> > Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> > crackpot religion.
>
> > So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> > its devotion to Gawd?
>
> > And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> > religion on customers?
>
> > Chalo
>
> Since you neglect to post the link and a few minutes of Googling produced
> retail outlets (including Sheldon's) only, I'd say they're hardly "pushing"
> anything, even their products.

Sorry, I meant to include http://www.grabongrips.com

> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
> have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
> reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.

I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
that turned me off.

> I don't recall ever seeing a website that "closes" on Sundays or the Sabbath
> or /any/ specific holiday for that matter, but so what? If you don't like
> it then don't do business with them. Simple.

That's what I decided to do the first moment I had a sniff of their
crap. But I was soliciting the opinions of others here.

> Sounds like the one with issues is you.

Growing up in the Southern Baptist Church gave me a bad allergy to
stupid.

Chalo

[Tom Keats]

In article <c784875e-cc2b-4976-ae60-dda680848aea@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
>> have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
>> reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.
>
> I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
> business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
> the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
> that turned me off.

I don't blame ya.

It's a piece o' cake to blab a bunch of self-righteous stuff.

It's not so easy to feed the hungry, clothe the needy or
house the homeless, or to eke people away from the stuff
that's wrecking their lives.

Lip service is just a bunch of insulting razmatazz.
"Just say no." Yeah, right. Really looking out for our
fellow mortals takes more effort than posting a website
and hoping/expecting everybody hits it, reads it, and
has an epiphany.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Bill Sornson]

Chalo wrote:
> On Nov 24, 8:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
>>> squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
>>> foundling).
>>
>>> I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
>>> product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>>
>>> "Our commercial website is closed over the
>>> weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>>
>>> "Why?
>>
>>> "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
>>> our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
>>> Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>>
>>> "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
>>> available we invite you to click on this link."
>>> [removed]
>>
>>> The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
>>> harmless flavor.
>>
>>> I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I
>>> had never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath
>>> off. I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and
>>> you want to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having
>>> a website and email to help you do that.
>>
>>> If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they
>>> wouldn't do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching
>>> lights on during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_.
>>> Leaving the website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the
>>> weekend seems like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder
>>> whether the folks at Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the
>>> arbitrary customs of their crackpot religion.
>>
>>> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to
>>> show its devotion to Gawd?
>>
>>> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
>>> religion on customers?
>>
>>> Chalo
>>
>> Since you neglect to post the link and a few minutes of Googling
>> produced retail outlets (including Sheldon's) only, I'd say they're
>> hardly "pushing" anything, even their products.
>
> Sorry, I meant to include http://www.grabongrips.com
>
>> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from
>> anything, I have no problem with who hold to their convictions
>> regardless of the reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they
>> encounter.
>
> I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
> business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
> the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
> that turned me off.
>
>> I don't recall ever seeing a website that "closes" on Sundays or the
>> Sabbath or /any/ specific holiday for that matter, but so what? If
>> you don't like it then don't do business with them. Simple.
>
> That's what I decided to do the first moment I had a sniff of their
> crap. But I was soliciting the opinions of others here.
>
>> Sounds like the one with issues is you.
>
> Growing up in the Southern Baptist Church gave me a bad allergy to
> stupid.
>
> Chalo

To me it's no different from walking up to a business and finding the door
locked. That they bothered to tell you why is inconsequential.

Get over it.

BS

[Tom Sherman]

Chalo Colina wrote:
> On Nov 24, 8:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> ...
>> I don't recall ever seeing a website that "closes" on Sundays or the Sabbath
>> or /any/ specific holiday for that matter, but so what? If you don't like
>> it then don't do business with them. Simple.
>
> That's what I decided to do the first moment I had a sniff of their
> crap. But I was soliciting the opinions of others here....

What if they were promoting the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Roger Zoul]

"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c784875e-cc2b-4976-ae60-dda680848aea@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 24, 8:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>> > I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
>> > squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
>> > foundling).
>>
>> > I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
>> > product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>>
>> > "Our commercial website is closed over the
>> > weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>>
>> > "Why?
>>
>> > "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
>> > our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
>> > Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>>
>> > "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
>> > available we invite you to click on this link."
>> > [removed]
>>
>> > The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
>> > harmless flavor.
>>
>> > I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
>> > never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
>> > I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
>> > to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
>> > and email to help you do that.
>>
>> > If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
>> > do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
>> > during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
>> > website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
>> > like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
>> > Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
>> > crackpot religion.
>>
>> > So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
>> > its devotion to Gawd?
>>
>> > And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
>> > religion on customers?
>>
>> > Chalo
>>
>> Since you neglect to post the link and a few minutes of Googling produced
>> retail outlets (including Sheldon's) only, I'd say they're hardly
>> "pushing"
>> anything, even their products.
>
> Sorry, I meant to include http://www.grabongrips.com
>
>> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
>> have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
>> reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.
>
> I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
> business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
> the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
> that turned me off.
>
>> I don't recall ever seeing a website that "closes" on Sundays or the
>> Sabbath
>> or /any/ specific holiday for that matter, but so what? If you don't
>> like
>> it then don't do business with them. Simple.
>
> That's what I decided to do the first moment I had a sniff of their
> crap. But I was soliciting the opinions of others here.
>
>> Sounds like the one with issues is you.
>
> Growing up in the Southern Baptist Church gave me a bad allergy to
> stupid.
>
> Chalo

It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others display
their devotion.

[marika]

"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> wrote in message
news:mf62j.3567$HH2.430@edtnps82...

>
> You don't provide the website so we can't see for ourselves. From what
> you say they're not "pushing their religion." They're exercising
> religious freedom. It's a free country, it's a free world, they can do
> what they like. If you don't like it shop somewhere else. On the other
> hand, you could always generalize about Christians. It's popular.
>


yup

mk5000

"Regenerative feedback. We derive an ought from an is and then use the
ought
to skew our perception of the is so that it looks more like the ought. Then
we derive another ought from the skewed is and use that ought to skew the is
even more. And so on."--tom

[Tom Sherman]

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <c784875e-cc2b-4976-ae60-dda680848aea@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> writes:
>>> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
>>> have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
>>> reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.
>> I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
>> business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
>> the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
>> that turned me off.
>
> I don't blame ya.
>
> It's a piece o' cake to blab a bunch of self-righteous stuff.
>
> It's not so easy to feed the hungry, clothe the needy or
> house the homeless, or to eke people away from the stuff
> that's wrecking their lives.
>
> Lip service is just a bunch of insulting razmatazz.
> "Just say no." Yeah, right. Really looking out for our
> fellow mortals takes more effort than posting a website
> and hoping/expecting everybody hits it, reads it, and
> has an epiphany.

The modern church in the U$A preaches that God rewards the faithful in
this life with monetary success, and that you are a sinner if you vote
Democrat.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Tom Sherman]

landotter ? wrote:
> On Nov 24, 7:33 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Christhole
>
> It's ****ing incredible--when it dilates, you can fit an entire VW
> Beetle in there!
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

How about
<http://cdn.ugoto.com/pictures/the_goatse_cloud_formation-0c5.jpg>?
Funny what different people see in it.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Tom Keats]

In article <3b30e05d-b1f7-412c-8429-863451e1d69a@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
landotter <landotter@gmail.com> writes:
> On Nov 24, 7:33 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Christhole
>
> It's ****ing incredible--when it dilates, you can fit an entire VW
> Beetle in there!
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

That reminds me of the time me 'n Davie Rosemeyer tried
to push his sister's Morris Mini Minor around the block,
taking turns steering.

If you think riding a bike up a hill can be hard, try
pushing something with an engine in it up that same hill.

It can't be done. At least, not when you're 9 y.o.
The best you can do is, park it by your mom's former
in-law's house at the bottom of the hill, and take off
for the rest of the day.

But sooner or later you've gotta return home and
step up to The Reckoning.

So don't even think about driving a VW Beetle up
anybody of religious significance's ass.

I've paid Hell just by pushing a stoopid li'l import
compact around half the block.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Tom Keats]

In article <fiatuo$b26$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <c784875e-cc2b-4976-ae60-dda680848aea@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
>>>> have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
>>>> reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.
>>> I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
>>> business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
>>> the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
>>> that turned me off.
>>
>> I don't blame ya.
>>
>> It's a piece o' cake to blab a bunch of self-righteous stuff.
>>
>> It's not so easy to feed the hungry, clothe the needy or
>> house the homeless, or to eke people away from the stuff
>> that's wrecking their lives.
>>
>> Lip service is just a bunch of insulting razmatazz.
>> "Just say no." Yeah, right. Really looking out for our
>> fellow mortals takes more effort than posting a website
>> and hoping/expecting everybody hits it, reads it, and
>> has an epiphany.
>
> The modern church in the U$A preaches that God rewards the faithful in
> this life with monetary success, and that you are a sinner if you vote
> Democrat.

People gravitate toward the easiest, most convenient way.
I've known people who've decided what diseases they have,
and then sought & sought & sought doctors who agree with them.
And then they died.

Yet G-d loves you, through me, because I love you.

You'd better hope I don't get obliviated, or else you're
out there high 'n dry 'n lonesome.

That's why we need each other. Without fellows, we're
nothing.

That's also why we should be kind instead of cruel to
each other, or not talk behind other people's backs
about them, or not judge people while we're riddled
with flaws ourselves.

If you could do some cowboyin', and learn to communicate
without speakin' or writin', well, you'd ...




cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Zoot Katz]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:16:53 -0800 (PST), Chalo
<chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>I'm going to seek my foam tubes elsewhere, or just use cork tape.
>Does anyone know of an alternate source of tubular grips for drop
>bars? I'm looking for some about 8" long, so track grips aren't
>ideal.

The imitation Grab-Ons from Asia don't last as long so they really do
look ratty. I bought a set at Canadian Tire. They were about half the
price of Grab-Ons. They look the same but aren't nearly as dense.
--
zk

[Bill Sornson]

Chalo wrote:

> Update: Now that it's Sunday, the Grab-On website page is back up,
> including the shopping cart.
>
> http://www.grabongrips.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9
>
> So I guess the Jebus fans at Grab-On are Seventh-day Adventists.
>
> I'm going to seek my foam tubes elsewhere, or just use cork tape.
> Does anyone know of an alternate source of tubular grips for drop
> bars? I'm looking for some about 8" long, so track grips aren't
> ideal.

Jebus Krisp they're everywhere. Thanks for the troll...

[Bruce Gilbert]

"Zoot Katz" <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:alaik31tu5j2s5frim03eo8jtbr6lrqeku@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:33:36 -0800 (PST), Chalo
> <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> >do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> >during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_.
>
> "In 1996, the Institute of Science and Halacha in Israel began
> working on invisible inks so that Orthodox Jewish doctors could write
> prescriptions on the Sabbath - avoiding the Biblical injunction
> against creation on the day of rest! If a handwriting specimen faded
> away, it could be deemed a temporary, and therefore permissible,
> creation."
>
I believe that there is a general release from that anyway for someone
providing healing. It is much the same as providing emergency services. In
Israel, many of those functions are taken care of by the Orthodox. Violating
Shabbat (Sabbath) for that purpose is actually a great mitzvah (religious
good deed).

Don't the Seventh Day Adventists keep Saturday as their Sabbath? I know they
keep some elements of kosher in their tradition.

Just looked at the Grabon website. They indeed close early on Fridays. I
would assume that is to leave everyone enough time and prepare for the
Sabbath. Chalo said: "The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a
comparatively harmless flavor". I assume from that statement this is NOT a
Jewish group, unless it is one of the Messianic churches that try to appear
Jewish-like. They just built one up the street from our warehouse here in
Houston. Funny thing is there are no Friday evening services, but Saturday
it is packed from what I hear.

We live in a very diverse world, getting more complicated by the year. I
don't think we should try to inconvenience others who don't keep the exact
same traditions as we do. If the business is not open, it is not open. But
to close access to a website with information in order to encourage others
to view your religious message is not right at all. Hey, I know of at least
three sabbath days each week. Guess what... they are all correct!

Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Bruce

[Tom Sherman]

Bruce Gilbert wrote:
> ...
> We live in a very diverse world, getting more complicated by the year. I
> don't think we should try to inconvenience others who don't keep the exact
> same traditions as we do. If the business is not open, it is not open. But
> to close access to a website with information in order to encourage others
> to view your religious message is not right at all.

Yeah, why not just put a statement on the website that orders will not
be processed until Monday, and leave it at that? Unless, of course, they
are trying to impose their belief on others (a common, but rather futile
goal).

> Hey, I know of at least
> three sabbath days each week. Guess what... they are all correct!

The workers practiced Islam on Friday, Judaism on Saturday and
Christianity on Sunday, granting themselves a 3-day weekend every week.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Jim Flom]

"Bruce Gilbert" <bgilbertREMOVE@hal-pc.org> wrote...
>
> We live in a very diverse world, getting more complicated by the year. I
> don't think we should try to inconvenience others who don't keep the exact
> same traditions as we do. If the business is not open, it is not open. But
> to close access to a website with information in order to encourage others
> to view your religious message is not right at all. Hey, I know of at
> least
> three sabbath days each week. Guess what... they are all correct!

Granted, _you_ don't think "we" should "try" to inconvenience others who
don't keep the exact traditions we do, but aren't you're just suggesting is
that your beliefs should be imposed on them because they are "trying" to
impose their beliefs on "us?" Do you honestly think the business owner is
making a conscious attempt (i.e., trying) to inconvenience potential
customers? What business person is going to try to inconvenience people?
Isn't the more likely explanation that they're just doing their thing, which
they have a right to do?

Wouldn't be the way you or I might do it, but by suggesting they "should" do
it your way, you're being just as proselytizing as you say they're being.
What you suggest is reflective of a Big Brother, top down, coercive,
anti-religious dogmatism that positively discriminates against people of
faith. But you couch it in the tolerant sounding language of the PC Police:
"we live in a diverse world," "I don't think we should," "all three sabbaths
are correct," and the Thanksgiving wellwish. But the logical implications
of your statement suggest that what you really want to do is so privatize
religious freedom that you push it right out of the public sphere. Just
like communist Russia (it didn't work).

I'd like to see this religious message. Anybody have a link? Their
shopping cart is powered by Zen Cart. Maybe they're Buddhists. Those crazy
Buddhists. And what kind of raging fundy would countenance a business that
has the word "Zen" in it? They're probably liberals!

--
JF

[Pat]

>
> It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
> Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others
> display their devotion.

Did you mean "conflicted"?


>
>

[landotter]

On Nov 25, 8:09 am, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Chalo" <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c784875e-cc2b-4976-ae60-dda680848aea@r31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 8:38 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> >> Chalo wrote:
> >> > I was poking around on the web for some Grab-On drop bar grips (the
> >> > squishy black foam tubes that make any bike look like a trashpicked
> >> > foundling).
>
> >> > I hit the Grab-On website to find out the name of the particular
> >> > product I was looking for, but the page said this:
>
> >> > "Our commercial website is closed over the
> >> > weekend in observance of the Sabbath.
>
> >> > "Why?
>
> >> > "Because we consider it a priviledge to honor
> >> > our Lord's request to 'Remember the Sabbath
> >> > Day to keep it Holy' -Exodus 20:8
>
> >> > "Until our new weekend site 'Dayspring' is
> >> > available we invite you to click on this link."
> >> > [removed]
>
> >> > The link was to a proselytic Christhole page of a comparatively
> >> > harmless flavor.
>
> >> > I've been bumbling around the internets since at least 1992, and I had
> >> > never until today run across a _website_ that takes the Sabbath off.
> >> > I'd reckon that if you're in business selling something and you want
> >> > to avoid working on the Sabbath, you might consider having a website
> >> > and email to help you do that.
>
> >> > If it's for their own practice, then I have no idea why they wouldn't
> >> > do like the Orthodox Jews who have issues about switching lights on
> >> > during the Sabbath-- they just _leave the lights on_. Leaving the
> >> > website up unless Jebus chooses to smite it over the weekend seems
> >> > like the sensible approach. It makes me wonder whether the folks at
> >> > Grab-On are trying to help _me_ observe the arbitrary customs of their
> >> > crackpot religion.
>
> >> > So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
> >> > its devotion to Gawd?
>
> >> > And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
> >> > religion on customers?
>
> >> > Chalo
>
> >> Since you neglect to post the link and a few minutes of Googling produced
> >> retail outlets (including Sheldon's) only, I'd say they're hardly
> >> "pushing"
> >> anything, even their products.
>
> > Sorry, I meant to includehttp://www.grabongrips.com
>
> >> While I resist preaching and have no desire to be saved from anything, I
> >> have no problem with who hold to their convictions regardless of the
> >> reactions of shallow, judgmental people whom they encounter.
>
> > I'd have found it quirky but honorable if they said, "we don't do
> > business on Sunday [Saturday,whatever] so come back later". It was
> > the slinging of the proselytism, restrained though it might have been,
> > that turned me off.
>
> >> I don't recall ever seeing a website that "closes" on Sundays or the
> >> Sabbath
> >> or /any/ specific holiday for that matter, but so what? If you don't
> >> like
> >> it then don't do business with them. Simple.
>
> > That's what I decided to do the first moment I had a sniff of their
> > crap. But I was soliciting the opinions of others here.
>
> >> Sounds like the one with issues is you.
>
> > Growing up in the Southern Baptist Church gave me a bad allergy to
> > stupid.
>
> > Chalo
>
> It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
> Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others display
> their devotion.

By devotion, you mean "willful ignorance", right? Religious devotion
is mental illness forced to be accepted by society due to it's sheer
numbers, it is not a virtue.

[Roger Zoul]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fibvp9$q2k$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Bruce Gilbert wrote:
>> ...
>> We live in a very diverse world, getting more complicated by the year. I
>> don't think we should try to inconvenience others who don't keep the
>> exact
>> same traditions as we do. If the business is not open, it is not open.
>> But
>> to close access to a website with information in order to encourage
>> others
>> to view your religious message is not right at all.
>
> Yeah, why not just put a statement on the website that orders will not be
> processed until Monday, and leave it at that? Unless, of course, they are
> trying to impose their belief on others (a common, but rather futile
> goal).

Letting others know your beliefs on your website is a long way from trying
to "impose" your beliefs.
If I tell you that I don't eat red meat because I worship cows [NOT], that's
not imposing my belief on you or trying to do so.

>
>> Hey, I know of at least
>> three sabbath days each week. Guess what... they are all correct!
>
> The workers practiced Islam on Friday, Judaism on Saturday and
> Christianity on Sunday, granting themselves a 3-day weekend every week.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
> differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
> excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[marika]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fibvp9$q2k$1@registered.motzarella.org...


>
> Yeah, why not just put a statement on the website that orders will not be
> processed until Monday, and leave it at that?

we'll have to check it out

>Unless, of course, they are trying to impose their belief on others (a
>common, but rather futile goal).

Seems to have worked for ChikFilA

mk5000

"Instead of a Capital Grille-style slab of meat on a plate, the sirloin
or filet or beef ribs here are paraded on glistening skewers, tender
slices carved on demand at your table - a barbecue (or more precisely,
/churrasco/) buffet on the
hoof."--http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/inquirer_magazine/16482181.htm

Posted on Sun, Jan. 21, 2007
Gauchos stride the range on Chestnut St.

>*By Rick Nichols*
>*Inquirer Columnist*
>

[landotter]

On Nov 25, 8:53 am, "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREM...@telus.net> wrote:
> "Bruce Gilbert" <bgilbertREM...@hal-pc.org> wrote...
>
> > We live in a very diverse world, getting more complicated by the year. I
> > don't think we should try to inconvenience others who don't keep the exact
> > same traditions as we do. If the business is not open, it is not open. But
> > to close access to a website with information in order to encourage others
> > to view your religious message is not right at all. Hey, I know of at
> > least
> > three sabbath days each week. Guess what... they are all correct!
>
> Granted, _you_ don't think "we" should "try" to inconvenience others who
> don't keep the exact traditions we do, but aren't you're just suggesting is
> that your beliefs should be imposed on them because they are "trying" to
> impose their beliefs on "us?" Do you honestly think the business owner is
> making a conscious attempt (i.e., trying) to inconvenience potential
> customers? What business person is going to try to inconvenience people?
> Isn't the more likely explanation that they're just doing their thing, which
> they have a right to do?
>
> Wouldn't be the way you or I might do it, but by suggesting they "should" do
> it your way, you're being just as proselytizing as you say they're being.

Living in a world defined by reality vs. one shaped by ancient myths
is a far far different and superior paradigm. Reality is not a "faith"
system, and encouraging the acceptance of it is not proselytizing as
much as it's a simple, "wake the **** up, ya magical dingbat".


> What you suggest is reflective of a Big Brother, top down, coercive,
> anti-religious dogmatism that positively discriminates against people of
> faith.

People of faith *should* be discriminated against. Faith is not a
virtue, but a liability. Mind, I don't eschew my favorite restaurants
for a crucifix or a Buddhist shrine, but I won't do business with
people that advertise themselves as "Christian" this or that--as it's
usually just about marketing.

>But you couch it in the tolerant sounding language of the PC Police:
> "we live in a diverse world," "I don't think we should," "all three sabbaths
> are correct,"

They're all constructs of the patriarchy and complete bull****--
equally so.

>and the Thanksgiving wellwish. But the logical implications
> of your statement suggest that what you really want to do is so privatize
> religious freedom that you push it right out of the public sphere. Just
> like communist Russia (it didn't work).

Ohhh, the lamentable comparison to the dirty commies! You're a riot.
Nah, what's healthy is societies like you see in Europe where in a lot
of circles, it's cringeworthy to mention your faith in a Dead Space
Jew in public--but nobody would think twice of preventing your worship
in private.

>
> I'd like to see this religious message. Anybody have a link? Their
> shopping cart is powered by Zen Cart. Maybe they're Buddhists. Those crazy
> Buddhists. And what kind of raging fundy would countenance a business that
> has the word "Zen" in it? They're probably liberals!
>

When did you first start worshiping authoritarianism, and is it really
that hard to embroider the crucifixes on the epaulets?
> --
> JF

[Roger Zoul]

"Pat" <Orion@starrynight.com> wrote

>
>
>>
>> It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
>> Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others
>> display their devotion.
>
> Did you mean "conflicted"?

No, I actually meant "convicted".

[Pat]

>>>
>>> It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
>>> Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others
>>> display their devotion.
>>
>> Did you mean "conflicted"?
>
> No, I actually meant "convicted".

Then I don't understand your point. What would he be convicted of?


>
>

[Tom Sherman]

landotter ? wrote:
> ...
> People of faith *should* be discriminated against....

Hey, I am a member of the Church of RANS (bicycle sect)!

See our website at: <http://www.rans.com/>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[Tom Sherman]

max wrote:
> In article
> <f5ffe603-0dce-4972-8ea4-a5153912670f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> So has anybody else run across a website that takes Sunday off to show
>> its devotion to Gawd?
>>
>> And what's your take on doing business with folks who push their
>> religion on customers?
>>
>> Chalo
>
> lighten up, francis.

Who is Francis?

For what its worth, Chalo has reported lightening up considerably.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

[landotter]

On Nov 25, 7:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> landotter ? wrote:
> > ...
> > People of faith *should* be discriminated against....
>
> Hey, I am a member of the Church of RANS (bicycle sect)!
>
> See our website at: <http://www.rans.com/>.

TRUE BELIEVER TRUE BELIEVER!!!!!!

/me cranks klaxon and puts tablet under tongue

[Tom Keats]

In article <5qv7miF11eegtU1@mid.individual.net>,
"brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> writes:

> But that's where it gets tricky; does that mean we should all be meek little
> people afraid to wear our hearts on our sleeves (literally, as in a shirt
> with political, religious, or environmental beliefs)?

I have some Snobol4 t-shirts.

I wouldn't mind having a Screaming Blue Messiahs hoodie.

Back in the '70s, a friend of mine's girlfriend embroidered
the Blue Oyster Cult symbol on the back of his jeans jacket.
That was kewl.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[marika]

"brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qv7miF11eegtU1@mid.individual.net...

> Let's face it: if you aren't a believer in
> God/vegetarianism/bicycling/Hillary Clinton/whatever, you probably aren't
> real keen on someone telling you that you *should* be, especially if you
> don't know them.

you are right about the phase thing, and it;'s getting more and more trendy
and the farther we go from the farm the more trendy it is to think of cows
as fluffy
and chicken and fish as vegetables

mk5000

"Of its early mountainous shore,
Yet a solemn peace of its own.

And the width of the waters, the hush
Of the grey expanse where he floats,"--matthew arnold, future

[Jim Flom]

"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yIG2j.22$1i5.16@newsfe05.lga...
>
> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> wrote...
>>
>> I think he means his conscience is bothered.
>>
>
> Exactly: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/convicted

I was going to say "his conscience is pricked" but after all this is r.b.m.

--
JF

[Jim Flom]

"Pat" <Orion@starrynight.com> wrote in message
news:5r0eaqF126q0pU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>>>
>>>> It sounds as if you hate them because of their religion convictions.
>>>> Apparently, since you gave yours up, you feel convicted when others
>>>> display their devotion.
>>>
>>> Did you mean "conflicted"?
>>
>> No, I actually meant "convicted".
>
> Then I don't understand your point. What would he be convicted of?

I think he means his conscience is bothered.


--
JF

[Dane Buson]

marika <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:
> "brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Let's face it: if you aren't a believer in
>> God/vegetarianism/bicycling/Hillary Clinton/whatever, you probably
>> aren't real keen on someone telling you that you *should* be,
>> especially if you don't know them.
>
> you are right about the phase thing, and it;'s getting more and more
> trendy and the farther we go from the farm the more trendy it is to
> think of cows as fluffy and chicken and fish as vegetables

Pffft. Next you'll be telling me ketchup isn't a vegetable!

--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"High explosives are often applicable where truth and logic fail."

[Chalo]

marika wrote:
>
> brink wrote:
> >
> > Let's face it: if you aren't a believer in
> > God/vegetarianism/bicycling/Hillary Clinton/whatever, you probably aren't
> > real keen on someone telling you that you *should* be, especially if you
> > don't know them.
>
> you are right about the phase thing, and it;'s getting more and more trendy
> and the farther we go from the farm the more trendy it is to think of cows
> as fluffy and chicken and fish as vegetables

I don't have chickens, but several of my neighbors do, and they hang
around at my place a lot because I don't hack down my grass too often
and I let my vegetable garden go feral at the end of the season.
(Freelance bunnies come around too-- and I live in the thick of town
just 1.7 miles from the state capitol building.) I am surprised how
personable and, dare I say it, clever chickens are. They are masters
of exceeding low expectations.

To date, I have never been impressed by a fish.

Chalo