About indoor training

[webhead]

Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
and the weather is just plain terrible.
I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.

So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

[Rex Crater]

Get a Power Tap.
Get some cycling DVDs.
Get some fun music.
Get a heart rate monitor.
Get a grip.


"webhead" <webhead@telenet.be> wrote in message
news:6d4aca7c-3a42-4c4d-9d05-002a02740842@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

[Jim Flom]

"webhead" <webhead@telenet.be> wrote in message
news:6d4aca7c-3a42-4c4d-9d05-002a02740842@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> So, how do you people manage?

I loathe trainers, although I'll use stationary bikes and probably spin this
year. I'd rather ride in the crap and deal with cleaning it (once a week)
than sit on a trainer. My rain bike has an aluminum frame. After wet rides
I'll wipe the chain and get major stuff, then strip down and wash it all.
Here's some help for cleaning if you're interested:

http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=85

--
JF

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Dec 1, 11:55 am, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:

> So, how do you people manage?

I live somewhere that you can ride all year, if not every day all
year.

Other people, who live elsewhere? I hear that some of them turn the
lights off.

But seriously, I went to a Spin class the other day and the leader
(who you couldn't hear over the loud, distorted music) (I mean
understand, you could hear her just fine and you probably could have
heard her just fine *without* the microphone) turned down the lights
when it was effort time.

Completely screwed.

Fixed gear bike, some old thing that is expendable, old chains, cheap
cogs and old chainrings, etc. etc. Cleaning optional. That's the way
we did it in the Old Country (GFN).

Do other things. Hike, swim. Stair climbing is great for conditioning
if it doesn't tear you up.

Or find Spin classes where they leave the lights on and don't scream
through blaring speakers.

I'm gonna get an SPL meter this winter, I swear. --D-y

[Mark Fennell]

webhead wrote:
> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.

For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCdm5FsJpg

Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
the floor??

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

[benn.trovato@hotmail.com]

On Dec 1, 9:55 am, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

This time of year, we do cyclocross. HTFU!

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Dec 1, 10:55 am, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

RBR's Greatest Hits:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/644e84fe361431c2/4ddb176d10d0277f#4ddb176d10d0277f

Suddenly, I feel nostalgic.

It's not like there's some magic threshold
where a 3 hour low intensity ride benefits
you and a 1 hour ride doesn't. The 3 hour ride
is just more training volume. So do the 1 hour
ride if that's all you can stand, then go for
a walk or shovel snow or something. Other
people ride outside, or if they're pros or
rich they travel someplace warm. If you're
just worried about grit in the drivetrain, ride
anything, even an old ten speed. The bike makes
little difference to a training ride. If your
derailleur ices up, turn it into a singlespeed.

Or go buy a $50 used mountain bike and race
cyclocross. Don't use money and waiting to build a
CX bike as a reason to skip the season.

Ben

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?

You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

-ilan

[amit.ghosh@gmail.com]

On Dec 1, 12:55 pm, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:


> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.

dumbass,

consider the price of a new drivetrain to be the cost of being able to
ride year round.

but the fitness is fleeting and often i think time is better spent on
projcts that have a lasting impact.

so if that cost is a REAL concern, your should just train an hour a
day and spend the rest of your time trying to make some money so that
you don't have to fret about the cost of a chain and some cogs.

[webhead]

> But seriously, I went to a Spin class the other day and the leader
> (who you couldn't hear over the loud, distorted music) (I mean
> understand, you could hear her just fine and you probably could have
> heard her just fine *without* the microphone) turned down the lights
> when it was effort time.
I imagine loads of big girls trying to shed some dough there. I kind
of worry that I can't do my own training but it's intriguing though.

I might use an old bike that may be trashed or so and I've tried some
cross training by running or swimming but that just doesn't do it. I
like running somewhat but I'm not good and I seem to get sore rather
easy. Swimming doesn't get my heart rate up high enough and I read
that's due to a lack of technique.

So from what I've gathered most here don't actually train as much as
they keep up a base level of physique until outdoor rides become
favorable again.

[Jim Flom]

"Mark Fennell" <marco_fennelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6Kq4j.10481$Rw3.10230@newsfe06.phx...
> webhead wrote:
>> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
>> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.
>
> For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCdm5FsJpg
>
> Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
> the floor??
>
> Mark
> http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

Absolutely sick.

--
JF

[2bowlers@gmail.com]

On Dec 1, 11:40 pm, "Mark Fennell" <marco_fenne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> webhead wrote:
> > So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> > trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.
>
> For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCdm5FsJpg
>
> Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
> the floor??

Good stuff. When I rode rollers a lot I used to entertain folks in the
shop by taking my shirt on and off. I never tried shorts though...

MC

[Howard Kveck]

In article <6Kq4j.10481$Rw3.10230@newsfe06.phx>,
"Mark Fennell" <marco_fennelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

> webhead wrote:
> > So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> > trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> Rollers. Perfect for entertaining yourself.

Or hurting yourself.

> For example, see my stupid roller tricks from last night...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCdm5FsJpg

Nice work. The standup sprint bit is pretty hard, isn't it? I can't say that I
ever tried to take a foot out of the pedal on rollers. Oh, good choice of music. Too
bad the rest of that record is so, well, overwrought.

> Next I'll try to bunny-hop off in a full sprint. Will I go skidding across
> the floor??

Ah, Maddog's patented roastie burnout trick. Make sure you have a padded wall to
plow into.

--
tanx,
Howard

Safe when used as directed...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[webhead]

> This time of year, we do cyclocross. HTFU!
I'd like to very much but I'm still building my cross bike. I don't
have big $ to spend.

[Bob Palermo]

Spinning can be a good workout. Just sort of follow the program that the
instructor is having you do, but adjust it to your own needs. You'll
probably pedal at a higher cadence than everyone else. You can skip the
quick jumps that are sometimes done, instead doing longer standing pulls.
After a couple of classes, you'll have a feel for what works for you. Most
spinning classes are about 45 minutes of riding, so I often get there
earlier and start maybe 20 minutes before the class starts.

Swimming is also OK, and you do get a decent work out. I think part of the
reason your heart rate doesn't get as high is because you are in cool water.
I'm not a good swimmer either, but after going for a while (for me it took
about 3 months from when I started swimming for exercise), you do get to
some reasonable level, where it feels like a good aerobic workout.

Another good workout is the Stepmill. This is like a mini-escalator (4
steps) on which you can adjust the speed. For me, it's next best to running
, and better than biking, for getting my heart rate up. I often go for an
hour on this. And if you set your weight setting exactly the same each time,
you can use the total calories as an indicator of how hard you worked. You
can also adjust the speed up and down to do interval-like training.

Bob P.





"webhead" <webhead@telenet.be> wrote in message
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>
>> But seriously, I went to a Spin class the other day and the leader
>> (who you couldn't hear over the loud, distorted music) (I mean
>> understand, you could hear her just fine and you probably could have
>> heard her just fine *without* the microphone) turned down the lights
>> when it was effort time.
> I imagine loads of big girls trying to shed some dough there. I kind
> of worry that I can't do my own training but it's intriguing though.
>
> I might use an old bike that may be trashed or so and I've tried some
> cross training by running or swimming but that just doesn't do it. I
> like running somewhat but I'm not good and I seem to get sore rather
> easy. Swimming doesn't get my heart rate up high enough and I read
> that's due to a lack of technique.
>
> So from what I've gathered most here don't actually train as much as
> they keep up a base level of physique until outdoor rides become
> favorable again.

[Ted van de Weteringe]

Howard Kveck schreef:
> "Mark Fennell" <marco_fennelli@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCdm5FsJpg
>
> Oh, good choice of music.

Trolling for Tosi?

[webhead]

On Dec 2, 7:49 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On Dec 1, 10:55 am, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
>
> > Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> > base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> > and the weather is just plain terrible.
> > I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> > every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> > work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> > I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> > It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> > So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> > trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> RBR's Greatest Hits:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...
>
> Suddenly, I feel nostalgic.
>
> It's not like there's some magic threshold
> where a 3 hour low intensity ride benefits
> you and a 1 hour ride doesn't. The 3 hour ride
> is just more training volume. So do the 1 hour
> ride if that's all you can stand, then go for
> a walk or shovel snow or something. Other
> people ride outside, or if they're pros or
> rich they travel someplace warm. If you're
> just worried about grit in the drivetrain, ride
> anything, even an old ten speed. The bike makes
> little difference to a training ride. If your
> derailleur ices up, turn it into a singlespeed.
>
> Or go buy a $50 used mountain bike and race
> cyclocross. Don't use money and waiting to build a
> CX bike as a reason to skip the season.
>
> Ben

You're probably right that the kind of bike doesn't matter to a
training ride.
I don't think that a 1 hour hard ride and snow shoveling would be the
same as a 3 hour ride. Sure it might raise my heartrate slightly but
that's not a problem. I'm pretty sure that maintaining a posture and
way of moving during several hours leads to an adaptation and training
effect unachievable by cross training.
For one thing the kind of muscle simulation leads to a specified
adaptation. I do a lot of weight training (not for cycling purposes,
unrelated) and endurance isn't trained by short period high weight
stimulation but by smaller weight and multiple repetitions.

So I wondered, getting "base miles" early on the season, would that be
for cardiovascular endurance alone? I'm sure posture adaptation would
come into play big time. I'm not sure if it's possible to do a 7 hour
bike ride if you've only done 1 hour interval training for months on
end.
From what I've learned out of exercise physiology is that short high
intensity rides help prevent decline in VO2max and although it does
decline much less fast, it drops nevertheless.

To put it simply: I think in order to train for long bike rides I'd
need to do long bike rides or am I just completely missing something
here. It just seems somewhat contradictory that the time of year you
need to do your long hours of training just coincides with bad weather
and short daytime.

[Michael Press]

In article
<50d7d19a-9544-4c4d-9ee3-a175fbc2cc48@e67g2000hsc.googl
egroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:

> On Dec 1, 10:55 am, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> > base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> > and the weather is just plain terrible.
> > I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> > every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> > work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
> >
> > I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> > It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
> >
> > So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> > trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> RBR's Greatest Hits:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/644e84fe361431c2/4ddb176d10d0277f#4ddb176d10d0277f

But who can watch television for seven hours?
No, don't tell me.

--
Michael Press

[Tom Kunich]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:93794621-d5b6-4b0a-aea4-d3b9c84ae722@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
>> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
>> and the weather is just plain terrible.
>> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
>> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
>> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>>
>> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
>> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>>
>> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
>> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
> my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
> annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
> or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.

Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?

Tom

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Dec 3, 2:16 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:93794621-d5b6-4b0a-aea4-d3b9c84ae722@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
> >> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> >> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> >> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> >> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> >> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> >> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>
> >> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> >> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>
> >> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> >> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>
> > You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
> > my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
> > annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
> > or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.
>
> Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?
>
> Tom

Not to Stanford. I doubt whether I'll be visiting the Bay Area before
2009, and I'll probably stay in Berkeley.
Thanks for asking!

-ilan

[Tom Kunich]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 3, 2:16 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:93794621-d5b6-4b0a-aea4-d3b9c84ae722@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
>> >> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
>> >> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
>> >> and the weather is just plain terrible.
>> >> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
>> >> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
>> >> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
>>
>> >> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
>> >> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
>>
>> >> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
>> >> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
>>
>> > You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
>> > my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
>> > annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
>> > or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.
>>
>> Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?
>>
>> Tom
>
> Not to Stanford. I doubt whether I'll be visiting the Bay Area before
> 2009, and I'll probably stay in Berkeley.

When you're in town let me know and I'll buy you dinner in one of the real
dives out there in Berkeley. You know - Chez Panisse? Well, the owner's
daughter has this great Mexican restaurant out near the freeway.

[Michael Press]

In article <13l9gopjdiu6h76@corp.supernews.com>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:df1bb497-6404-45f9-818b-025a1081a84c@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 3, 2:16 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:93794621-d5b6-4b0a-aea4-d3b9c84ae722@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Dec 1, 6:55 pm, webhead <webh...@telenet.be> wrote:
> >> >> Just out of curiosity: at this time of year I'm supposed to build a
> >> >> base physique and do long low intensity rides. However, days are short
> >> >> and the weather is just plain terrible.
> >> >> I don't mind the weather for a ride but cleaning my bike and getting
> >> >> every itty bitty sand out of the chain and drivetrain is just hours of
> >> >> work. If I don't I'm just grinding components.
> >>
> >> >> I like my trainer but being stationary for about an hour is my limit.
> >> >> It's a bit annoying to sit still for longer times.
> >>
> >> >> So, how do you people manage? Does anyone spend 3 hours on their
> >> >> trainer doing long low intensity rides ?
> >>
> >> > You might be amazed that I do practically all my easy rides indoors on
> >> > my trainer. I live in downtown Paris and riding outside can be fairly
> >> > annoying, and pretty much every outdoor ride is either too stressful
> >> > or too hard for recovery. My longest trainer ride is about 1:30.
> >>
> >> Hey Ilan, when are you coming back to Stanford?
> >
> > Not to Stanford. I doubt whether I'll be visiting the Bay Area before
> > 2009, and I'll probably stay in Berkeley.
>
> When you're in town let me know and I'll buy you dinner in one of the real
> dives out there in Berkeley. You know - Chez Panisse? Well, the owner's
> daughter has this great Mexican restaurant out near the freeway.

Rose Bistro on Shattuck near University.
My birthday dinner is memorable.
Ask for something not on the wine list. I did.

--
Michael Press

[Howard Kveck]

In article <rubrum-D9506E.15492004122007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Rose Bistro on Shattuck near University.

Have you tried Sea Salt, on San Pablo? The grilled sardines are quite good.

http://www.seasaltrestaurant.com/menu/

> My birthday dinner is memorable.
> Ask for something not on the wine list. I did.

Night Train?

--
tanx,
Howard

Safe when used as directed...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[webhead]

I do some interval workouts on the trainer. Tackx has some nice
example workouts for on the trainer and those offer a fairly good
entertaining layout. I suspect the spinning classes to be more
motivating but in a training/physical way they'll probably feel the
same. Could be fun though I should look into who's offering that over
here.
I tried swimming while I was on vacation, just pulling laps and it was
indeed not really an aerobic workout. I looked that up and apparently
it takes a lot of technique to actually get smooth enough and really
hit that heartrate. After 3 months you probably got better at what you
were doing and picked up some pace.

The stepmill might actually be some of the best things for a workout.
The muscles involved are also much more focussed on the hamstrings and
glutes rather then the quads so that might prove to be valuable
because those tend to be undertrained when cycling. The only problem
is that there's isn't a stepmill or a very high office building
around :)

At this point my training looks like this:
Weight training on monday (not cycling related) so my legs usually
become sore until halfway Thursday.
I take a light spin on Tuesday just to throw them loose. Not a real
workout.
Thursday evening I do a hard interval workout on the trainer for about
45 minutes.
Saturday I try and do a 1h30' road ride at a brisk pace.
Sunday: a longer low intensity ride.

[Tom Kunich]

<amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> but the fitness is fleeting and often i think time is better spent on
> projcts that have a lasting impact.

Amit, I suspect you're a really nice guy in person but you're a horse's ass
on the internet.

[webhead]

> Amit, I suspect you're a really nice guy in person but you're a horse's ass
> on the internet.

Internet and newsgroup bravery is a trait unrecognized and
unappreciated by those not skilled in talking down on men. Amit is
toughness.

Who starts a post with dumbass...

[Michael Press]

In article
<YOURhoward-E0F6D6.22001504122007@comcast.dca.giganews.
com>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <rubrum-D9506E.15492004122007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Rose Bistro on Shattuck near University.
>
> Have you tried Sea Salt, on San Pablo? The grilled sardines are quite good.
>
> http://www.seasaltrestaurant.com/menu/

I do not eat out much. Will look into this.

> > My birthday dinner is memorable.
> > Ask for something not on the wine list. I did.
>
> Night Train?

Gigondas.

--
Michael Press

[Donald Munro]

webhead wrote:
> Who starts a post with dumbass...

Kloothommel,
We all do. We are the Borg.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/search?group=rec.bicycles.racing&q=dumbass&qt_g=Search+this+group

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <47565cc5$0$1783$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> webhead wrote:
> > Who starts a post with dumbass...
>
> Kloothommel,
> We all do. We are the Borg.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/search?group=rec.bicycles.r
> acing&q=dumbass&qt_g=Search+this+group

"16,500 results for dumbass."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Laugh, becuase, you know, 16,500 results. Cry, because the latest
chocolate-flavoured beer I tried tonight was mediocre at best. Wait,
need to try it again to be sure...

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[webhead]

On Dec 5, 10:12 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> In article <47565cc5$0$1783$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > webhead wrote:
> > > Who starts a post with dumbass...
>
> > Kloothommel,
> > We all do. We are the Borg.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/search?group=rec.b...
> > acing&q=dumbass&qt_g=Search+this+group
>
> "16,500 results for dumbass."
>
> I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
>
> Laugh, becuase, you know, 16,500 results. Cry, because the latest
> chocolate-flavoured beer I tried tonight was mediocre at best. Wait,
> need to try it again to be sure...
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

A chocolate flavored beer huh. Those things get made a few km from
where I'm living. I haven't found a single one for sale over here so
mediocre probably gives it too much credit. Plenty of beer to choose
from in Belgium.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<608d7dcf-c187-4e38-9c02-a9cab3aa4b3e@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
webhead <webhead@telenet.be> wrote:

> On Dec 5, 10:12 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > In article <47565cc5$0$1783$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > webhead wrote:
> > > > Who starts a post with dumbass...
> >
> > > Kloothommel,
> > > We all do. We are the Borg.
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/search?group=rec.b...
> > > acing&q=dumbass&qt_g=Search+this+group
> >
> > "16,500 results for dumbass."
> >
> > I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
> >
> > Laugh, becuase, you know, 16,500 results. Cry, because the latest
> > chocolate-flavoured beer I tried tonight was mediocre at best. Wait,
> > need to try it again to be sure...
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> > "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> > Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
>
> A chocolate flavored beer huh. Those things get made a few km from
> where I'm living. I haven't found a single one for sale over here so
> mediocre probably gives it too much credit. Plenty of beer to choose
> from in Belgium.

Any chocolate beer is likely to be a novelty. Locally, three are
available through the governmental liquor distribution system (I kid you
not).

Phillips, a local (well, Victoria) brewery, make a very nice
double-chocolate stout. It's a good enough beer that I'd just drink it
on any occasion that called for a strong, dark beer.

Young's out of the UK make a world-class double-chocolate porter. It is
good enough to be brought out for special occasions.

Somebody (I don't care to look up the label) sells an extra-pricey local
chocolate beer whose claim to fame is that it comes in a cardboard
presentation box and is co-branded by Purdy's, an excellent local
chocolatier.

It's drinkable, but has the kinds of sins you'd fear from a chocolate
beer.

There are others, but that's all I can find locally.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing