snow sux

[Tom Keats]

I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.

Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
worst weather conditions for riding, short
of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

Having to slog my weekly trip to the
laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

What really chafes is that last Thursday &
Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
work week.

I hope it just rains next weekend.
That, I can deal with.


cheers,
Tom

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[Jim Flom]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lm00jf.rl2.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>
> Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
> we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
> worst weather conditions for riding, short
> of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.
>
> Having to slog my weekly trip to the
> laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.
>
> What really chafes is that last Thursday &
> Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
> go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
> then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
> work week.
>
> I hope it just rains next weekend.
> That, I can deal with.

[Jim Flom]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lm00jf.rl2.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>
> Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
> we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
> worst weather conditions for riding, short
> of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.
>
> Having to slog my weekly trip to the
> laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.
>
> What really chafes is that last Thursday &
> Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
> go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
> then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
> work week.
>
> I hope it just rains next weekend.
> That, I can deal with.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom

Oops. It would help if I wrote the post, wouldn't it?

It's all in the timing. I live out by Chilliwack. I got the ride in early
yesterday. Windy, flurries, but doable. Today was a rest day, and tomorrow
it's supposed to be 11 C in Vancouver. It's all good.

[Jim Flom]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lm00jf.rl2.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>
> Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
> we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
> worst weather conditions for riding, short
> of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.
>
> Having to slog my weekly trip to the
> laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.
>
> What really chafes is that last Thursday &
> Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
> go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
> then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
> work week.
>
> I hope it just rains next weekend.
> That, I can deal with.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071130.wcoldcold1130/BNStory/Science/home

--
JF

"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always
cool and unruffled under all circumstances. "
- Thomas Jefferson

[Zoot Katz]

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:29:09 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote, in part:

>I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>
>Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
>we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
>worst weather conditions for riding, short
>of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.
/
I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff. The only bike
with fenders and treaded tires is das Mule. I rode it all last winter
just not on snow. Xtracycles are lots of fun on snow. That light
rear end demands a gentle touch. Only two body dabs before I got it.

Yesterday was beautiful. I had a head wind all the way to the PNE and
was plastered with snow by the time I arrived. Visibility was an
issue crossing the top of park. The ride home was grand. It had sorta
stopped snowing and the streets were quiet. The surface was passable
as the cars hadn't torn it all up yet.

Today was horrible except for the bit I rode along on a closed Cambie
Blvd. Alberta St was okay too because it hadn't been salted. Ontario
St. sucked bad at the intersection.

Riding on the snow wasn't too bad except the places where cars have
screwed up the surface. The slush ruts are a *****. The surface
challenges made a routine 27 minute ride into a 40 minute puzzle.

I took the lane on Main coming home and got bathed in salted slurpee
but made pretty good time compared to the "bike route" slush trough.
--
zk

[Stephen Harding]

Tom Keats wrote:
> I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>
> Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
> we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
> worst weather conditions for riding, short
> of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.

Ice here this morning and my icebike isn't prep'ed yet
for the season (studded knobbies/12v 20W headlight),
so it's a V8/4WD global warmer ride to the office this
morning.

> Having to slog my weekly trip to the
> laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.

Now you know how a Comanche felt when his horse got
stolen!

> What really chafes is that last Thursday &
> Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
> go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
> then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
> work week.
>
> I hope it just rains next weekend.
> That, I can deal with.

Nope! If it's winter and there's going to be
precipitation, I want snow!


SMH

[It's Chris]

"Slush" is not snow. It's the weather's version of diarrhea.

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[Tom Keats]

In article <Y7M4j.36178$Zn.18493@edtnps90>,
"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lm00jf.rl2.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>>
>> Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
>> we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
>> worst weather conditions for riding, short
>> of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.
>>
>> Having to slog my weekly trip to the
>> laundromat afoot was almost intolerable.
>>
>> What really chafes is that last Thursday &
>> Friday were beautiful days, but I had to
>> go to work. I get a crummy weekend, and
>> then it'll be nice again during the upcoming
>> work week.
>>
>> I hope it just rains next weekend.
>> That, I can deal with.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Tom
>
> Oops. It would help if I wrote the post, wouldn't it?
>
> It's all in the timing.

When you're working afternoon shift, there's not much
wriggle-room for timing. Yeah, I could ride to work
(from near Main & 41st to Nelson & Blundell in East
Richmond) but I've already got my ride-sharing arrangement.
And there's enough big-rig traffic out that way to render
riding an unpleasant experience. So, I'm foregoing the
cycle-commuting option. Besides, my job is often physically
arduous, and at the end of a shift I don't have many calories
left to ride home. During the week I ride around, doing
errand runs before going to work. I'm immensely thankful
for those opportunities. A little riding before work gets
the blood flowing, and perks me up. But weekends are supposed
to be my Freedom days.

> I live out by Chilliwack. I got the ride in early
> yesterday. Windy, flurries, but doable. Today was a rest day, and tomorrow
> it's supposed to be 11 C in Vancouver. It's all good.

Being so far up the Fraser Valley, I imagine you got a
bigger dump of snow than we did in Vancouver (Proper.)
That Pineapple Express is predicted to deluge us.
Bring it on!

Anyways, I'm just whinin' & gripin', because it's all
I can do about the situation. Poor, poor, pitiful me :-)

When I get the 'flu, I can't help but think about how
I took all my previous, happily healthy days for granted.
I guess being preempted from riding is a similar thing.
Oh, well.


cheers,
Tom
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[Jim Flom]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
> When you're working afternoon shift, there's not much
> wriggle-room for timing. Yeah, I could ride to work
> (from near Main & 41st to Nelson & Blundell in East
> Richmond) but I've already got my ride-sharing arrangement.
> And there's enough big-rig traffic out that way to render
> riding an unpleasant experience. So, I'm foregoing the
> cycle-commuting option. Besides, my job is often physically
> arduous, and at the end of a shift I don't have many calories
> left to ride home. During the week I ride around, doing
> errand runs before going to work. I'm immensely thankful
> for those opportunities. A little riding before work gets
> the blood flowing, and perks me up. But weekends are supposed
> to be my Freedom days.

I don't think I'd be into commuting much either. But you're closer to the
city! That's been my "I wish I were..." since I came here. Yes you have to
deal with more traffic, but there's just more riding culture where you are.
I'm a frikkin' anomoly out here. maybe instead of doing errandss you can
get a fun ride in once or twice a week to hold you over till the weekend,
and if it gets like this, then at least you got something in. This time of
year, early morning is out and so is evening, so we're pretty much locked
into 8 am to 4 pm. My schedule is flexible that I can ride at lunch this
time of year if I need to. But the grass is always greener. Vancouver area
looks like cycling mecca from this angle.

> Being so far up the Fraser Valley, I imagine you got a
> bigger dump of snow than we did in Vancouver (Proper.)
> That Pineapple Express is predicted to deluge us.
> Bring it on!

Yeah it looks like serious rain tomorrow. But I think you might have gotten
more snow. Abbotsford got a lot I heard. We got more today than last
night. Wednesday looks nice. I'm 150 kilometers off my goal for the
year -- a fitness goal I may actually attain for a change!

--
JF

"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always
cool and unruffled under all circumstances. "
- Thomas Jefferson

[Tom Keats]

In article <oRM4j.36183$Zn.2941@edtnps90>,
"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote...
>>
>> When you're working afternoon shift, there's not much
>> wriggle-room for timing. Yeah, I could ride to work
>> (from near Main & 41st to Nelson & Blundell in East
>> Richmond) but I've already got my ride-sharing arrangement.
>> And there's enough big-rig traffic out that way to render
>> riding an unpleasant experience. So, I'm foregoing the
>> cycle-commuting option. Besides, my job is often physically
>> arduous, and at the end of a shift I don't have many calories
>> left to ride home. During the week I ride around, doing
>> errand runs before going to work. I'm immensely thankful
>> for those opportunities. A little riding before work gets
>> the blood flowing, and perks me up. But weekends are supposed
>> to be my Freedom days.
>
> I don't think I'd be into commuting much either. But you're closer to the
> city!

Heh :-) I'm right in it!

> That's been my "I wish I were..." since I came here. Yes you have to
> deal with more traffic, but there's just more riding culture where you are.
> I'm a frikkin' anomoly out here.

Kudos to you for being a cycling ambassador out
there in the car-centric realms. Yeah, there's
tons of riding culture here, and it's wonderful.

But Chilliwack is a pretty town, as is Hope.
If I had money, I'd retire up there.

> maybe instead of doing errandss you can
> get a fun ride in once or twice a week to hold you over till the weekend,
> and if it gets like this, then at least you got something in. This time of
> year, early morning is out and so is evening, so we're pretty much locked
> into 8 am to 4 pm. My schedule is flexible that I can ride at lunch this
> time of year if I need to. But the grass is always greener. Vancouver area
> looks like cycling mecca from this angle.

I've had it good. I'm having it good. For the record,
my original post was largely tongue-in-cheek. A few
non-riding days out of the year is really no big whoop.
Although one really feels it when one is deprived, and
would love the opportunity to ride to the supermarket
for frozen perogies & sour cream. And t.p., lightbulbs,
garbage bags, a couple of cans of Chef Boy-Ar-Dee stuff,
a bag of grapefruits, a sack of powdered milk, a dozen
eggs, a couple of loaves of bread, block of cheese,
bottle o' catsup, a cabbage, green onions, a dozen leeks,
sesame oil, the right kind of noodles, pre-BBQ'd chicken,
garlic sausage, Keen's hot mustard, blueberry pancake syrup,
can o' King Oscar sardines (in olive oil, lightly smoked,)
Ritz cheese crackers, tomato soup, a little thingie of
Ben & Jerry's oreo ice cream, Polskie Ogorkie dill pickles,
J-Cloths, frozen fish 'n chips, tater tots, and a roll
of Certs. And a dozen wieners and a couple of boxes of
"original" (orange-coloured powdered cheese) K.D. And a
shaker of Hy's Cajun Seasoning. And some lamb chops and
turkey thighs to toss in the freezer. And some pepperoni
and Twizzlers to gnaw on for the ride home.

>> Being so far up the Fraser Valley, I imagine you got a
>> bigger dump of snow than we did in Vancouver (Proper.)
>> That Pineapple Express is predicted to deluge us.
>> Bring it on!
>
> Yeah it looks like serious rain tomorrow. But I think you might have gotten
> more snow. Abbotsford got a lot I heard. We got more today than last
> night. Wednesday looks nice. I'm 150 kilometers off my goal for the
> year -- a fitness goal I may actually attain for a change!


My current goal is to attain a Nikon d40X DSLR camera.
By the time I can afford it, there'll be something better
available for the same price.

Life is all about dealing with moving targets. I guess
it keeps it interesting.


cheers,
Tom

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[It's Chris]

From: jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net (Jim*Flom)

>Be afraid. Be very afraid.
>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071130.wcoldcold1130/BNStory/Science/home
>--
>JF

Is it just me, or does that article sound a lot like the movie "The Day
After Tomorrow"?

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[Tom Keats]

In article <nfa7l3p6pau9sc05h81k5tj5crp9a3ksni@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:29:09 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
> wrote, in part:
>
>>I was snowed out of riding, this weekend.
>>
>>Please don't "Icebike" me. In Vancouver
>>we're talkin' "Slushbike" -- perhaps the
>>worst weather conditions for riding, short
>>of tornadoes, hurricanes or dense fog.
> /
> I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.

You're nutz <grin>

> The only bike
> with fenders and treaded tires is das Mule. I rode it all last winter
> just not on snow. Xtracycles are lots of fun on snow. That light
> rear end demands a gentle touch. Only two body dabs before I got it.

After hoofin' it to the laundromat, I subesquently
hoofed it to the Cambie St retox centre. Multitudinous
times I recovered from near wipeouts, umbrella in one
hand, and eco-friendly shopping bag in the other.
How one flails one's arms has a lot to do with recovering
from wiping out.

> Yesterday was beautiful.

No it wasn't. Friday was beautiful. It was a Big Sky day,
in fact. Saturday stunk, and Sunday stunk even worse.

> I had a head wind all the way to the PNE and
> was plastered with snow by the time I arrived. Visibility was an
> issue crossing the top of park. The ride home was grand. It had sorta
> stopped snowing and the streets were quiet. The surface was passable
> as the cars hadn't torn it all up yet.
>
> Today was horrible

Yes, it was.
> except for the bit I rode along on a closed Cambie
> Blvd. Alberta St was okay too because it hadn't been salted. Ontario
> St. sucked bad at the intersection.

There was a lake @ Cambie & 41st tonight. I had to jaywalk around it.

> Riding on the snow wasn't too bad except the places where cars have
> screwed up the surface. The slush ruts are a *****. The surface
> challenges made a routine 27 minute ride into a 40 minute puzzle.
>
> I took the lane on Main coming home and got bathed in salted slurpee
> but made pretty good time compared to the "bike route" slush trough.

Check-out Uncle Ming's Kitchen @ Main & 64th.

They serve their stuff up on paper plates (and
the tea in paper cups,) but it ain't bad. I like
their Sing Cho chow mein. Walk outa there with a
big yellow saffron curry smile on yer face.

Across the street is Wo's. They make a to-die-for
hot & sour soup with lots o' stuff in it.

Both places proffer $5.oo(+/-) lunch deals.


cheers,
Tom

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[Zoot Katz]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>> /
>> I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.
>
>You're nutz <grin>

I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
feel more like spring.
--
zk

[Tom Keats]

In article <19885-47543998-887@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>,
dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net (It's Chris) writes:

> "Slush" is not snow. It's the weather's version of diarrhea.

That's a good way of phrasing it.

Vancouver snow actually does start out as real snow,
coming down from the north and across the Western
Cordillera mountains. But then the more temperate
ocean weather from the west has to meddle with it.
It's kind of like the ol' one-two punch combination.

In the darkness of night a slush puddle at the end
of a sidewalk at an intersection has a very granular
appearance, just like asphalt. In fact it looks like
wet asphalt.

Some of those suckers get to be a foot or more deep
when the storm drains back up, as one discovers when
stepping into them.


cheers,
Tom

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[Mike Schway]

In article <4ic9l3t0rc4ms71gkv6ui1n4nb2v8ln1d9@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>
> >> /
> >> I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.
> >
> >You're nutz <grin>
>
> I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
> just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
> almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
> feel more like spring.

If spring comes with 50 mph headwinds! :-( (Bellingham)
OTOH, the trip home was a "breeze" :-)

--Mike

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[Tom Keats]

In article <4ic9l3t0rc4ms71gkv6ui1n4nb2v8ln1d9@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>
>>> /
>>> I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.
>>
>>You're nutz <grin>
>
> I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
> just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
> almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
> feel more like spring.

You must've been stewing in your own juices.

I have yet to try out those rain pants I got
from MEC. I ripped that cheap poncho I got from
Canadian Tire. Oh, well. I guess I got my $3.59
worth of use from it. And I still have the
dry sack, which might be useful for other stuff.

I've gotta get to 3-Vets and acquire another pair
of those $10 cordura gaiters.

Gotta love this mercurial weather -- ya step outside
to see what it's like, and ya see it's raining.
So you go back inside, suit-up appropriately, step
outside again and the rain has stopped and the sky
is beginning to clear up. Step inside again to doff
all the rain gear, only to find it's raining again.

That's what I really appreciated about my dearly
departed rain cape -- putting it on/taking it off
was no major undertaking. Unlike those MEC rain
pants (which, BTW, don't have slits to access
underlying trouser pockets.)


cheers,
Tom

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[Zoot Katz]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:08:28 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <4ic9l3t0rc4ms71gkv6ui1n4nb2v8ln1d9@4ax.com>,
> Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:34:55 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> /
>>>> I insisted on riding just to spite the nasty stuff.
>>>
>>>You're nutz <grin>
>>
>> I felt crazier today dressed in full rain gear. It stopped raining
>> just as I'd left the house and I didn't see another drop until I was
>> almost home again. The sun was out and the warm temperatures made it
>> feel more like spring.
>
>You must've been stewing in your own juices.
>
Well, actually not. There's sufficient ventilation in the jacket and
the under garments wick. I just had to remove an insulating layer
until the evening ride home.

The Sugoi rain pants (they classed them as them "tights") don't fit
over trousers or shoes. They're fleece lined so I wear them over
shorts or knickers and poly knit tights in really cold weather.
The Activa booties are a bit of a hassle to put on but I've always
been comfortable and dry in that rain gear.

>I have yet to try out those rain pants I got
>from MEC. I ripped that cheap poncho I got from
>Canadian Tire. Oh, well. I guess I got my $3.59
>worth of use from it. And I still have the
>dry sack, which might be useful for other stuff.
>
>I've gotta get to 3-Vets and acquire another pair
>of those $10 cordura gaiters.
>
>Gotta love this mercurial weather -- ya step outside
>to see what it's like, and ya see it's raining.
>So you go back inside, suit-up appropriately, step
>outside again and the rain has stopped and the sky
>is beginning to clear up. Step inside again to doff
>all the rain gear, only to find it's raining again.
>
Today the rain had subsided to spits and showers when I was dressing
to leave. It started raining again halfway up the hill and continued
to rain all my way to Commercial Drive. It kept raining so I finished
my business down there and rode back to Mt. Pleasant before the rain
stopped long enough for me to have a coffee in the sun.

>That's what I really appreciated about my dearly
>departed rain cape -- putting it on/taking it off
>was no major undertaking. Unlike those MEC rain
>pants (which, BTW, don't have slits to access
>underlying trouser pockets.)
>
Neither pair of my K-Way rain pants nor the Sugoi ones have trouser
pocket access. Even the Pioneer brand construction grade bibs require
reaching over the waistband for pocket access. They do have a zipped
rain proof fly though. It's like putting holes in a boat; you want to
keep 'em to the minimum.

I wore a pair of K-way for the Sunday slush-fest figuring I'd fall
and didn't to hole the good pants. I fell though didn't hole the
coated nylon. My lower half was drenched by the time I got home.
Saturday's snow and colder temperature I wore only double front
dungarees over lycra bib knickers and no rain jacket. I just brushed
off the snow that plastered my front and had plenty of time to dry at
my destination before riding home.

Okay, Saturday night was more beautiful than Saturday day. I rode
home part way with Donald and Chris. Ours were the only tire tracks
on parts of the ride. We met a few other cyclists out enjoying the
silence. Snow, real snow, in Vancouverr is always magical.

I'll try to remember packing that cape like you lost. Ask me for it
next time we bump into each other. I might have it with me and
forgotten. It's seldom been used and the only use I can think of
would be partial rain protection for the rare passenger on the
Xtracycle. Check The Grind whenever you're down that way.
--
zk

[Stephen Harding]

Zoot Katz wrote:

> over trousers or shoes. They're fleece lined so I wear them over
> shorts or knickers and poly knit tights in really cold weather.

Knickers??!!!

There's a type of clothing one doesn't hear much of any more!

I would think it would be either shorts or full length wear
tights or pants. The three quarter length of knickers seems
obsolete.

Most of my "cycling clothes" are actually warm fabric blends
of underwear or polartec type vests or coats over normal street
clothes. I do take the marine rain gear out of the boat during
winter storage and transfer it to the bike for anti-slush,
snow or rain work.

But I would think knickers would be an "in between" duty garment
better substituted with other types of apparel.

We are talking the three quarter length pants (to the calves),
right? Perhaps tighter fitting than the type used by 1930's
golfers I suppose.


SMH

[Zoot Katz]

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:32:59 GMT, Stephen Harding
<smharding16@msn.com> wrote:

>Zoot Katz wrote:
>
>> over trousers or shoes. They're fleece lined so I wear them over
>> shorts or knickers and poly knit tights in really cold weather.
>
>Knickers??!!!
>
>There's a type of clothing one doesn't hear much of any more!
>
>I would think it would be either shorts or full length wear
>tights or pants. The three quarter length of knickers seems
>obsolete.
>
Maybe obsolete but I like 'em. The little bit of knee coverage is
nice when the weather is iffy and turns colder.

I've two pair of bib knickers and one pair with a waistband. The
waistband pair is only suitable for underwear at this point. I'll
replace them with bibs because they're more comfortable. I wear them
mostly in spring and fall or in winter as a base layer.

I've a nice pair of wool climbing knickers that always get favourable
comments from style savvy cyclists. I wear them with knee socks and
shorts or knickers under them.

>Most of my "cycling clothes" are actually warm fabric blends
>of underwear or polartec type vests or coats over normal street
>clothes. I do take the marine rain gear out of the boat during
>winter storage and transfer it to the bike for anti-slush,
>snow or rain work.
>
>But I would think knickers would be an "in between" duty garment
>better substituted with other types of apparel.
>
>We are talking the three quarter length pants (to the calves),
>right? Perhaps tighter fitting than the type used by 1930's
>golfers I suppose.
>
>
I have a two pairs of docked trousers and a pair of wool loggers
pants that are a bit longer than knickers or "plus fours". I like 'em
because they stay out of the chainwheel. They look okay with tights
sticking out the bottom or better with anklets. They just look like
your pants are too short when worn with regular sport socks.
--
zk

[Zoot Katz]

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:55:22 -0800, Zoot Katz
<zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote and then added:

>>
>>I would think it would be either shorts or full length wear
>>tights or pants. The three quarter length of knickers seems
>>obsolete.
>>
>Maybe obsolete but I like 'em. The little bit of knee coverage is
>nice when the weather is iffy and turns colder.

Showing a bit of calf is tres-sexy in an understated way.
Scarified shins or maybe a little ink are sexier than varicose veins.
Greasy chainring tattoos are hot on bare flesh, not hot on chinos.
--
zk

[Stephen Harding]

Zoot Katz wrote:

> pants that are a bit longer than knickers or "plus fours". I like 'em
> because they stay out of the chainwheel. They look okay with tights

Ah there's a benefit I didn't think of!

I get a bit annoyed during colder months having to put
the reflective cuff strap on the right pant leg bottom
to keep it out of the chain rings and grease.


SMH