most loved / hated jerseys & team kits

[rick@elevengear.us]

I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
training.

However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
time you put it on?

And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
logos?

.... and for what reasons?

Full disclosure here: I have my own small cycling apparel company and
always enjoy learning more about people's tastes, what they select
and
why.

Thanks,
-Rick

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Dec 10, 10:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
> choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
> training.
>
> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
> time you put it on?
>
> And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
> like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
> logos?
>
> ... and for what reasons?
>
> Full disclosure here: I have my own small cycling apparel company and
> always enjoy learning more about people's tastes, what they select
> and
> why.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick

The weirdest jersey I ever raced in was at the San Jose track in 1984.
In the Madison there were pre-decided trade teams and each team was
given a jersey. I think I got a Morgan Hill one, I had just moved to
the Bay Area and had never even heard of the place before.

-ilan

[Bret]

On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
> choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
> training.
>
> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
> time you put it on?
>
> And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
> like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
> logos?
>
> ... and for what reasons?
>
> Full disclosure here: I have my own small cycling apparel company and
> always enjoy learning more about people's tastes, what they select
> and
> why.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick

I rode for a Denver team named "Maglia Rosa" in 1984. We had pink
jerseys with "Maglia Rosa" in script down the side panel. The main
sponsor was a bike shop named "I like bikes" and so this was printed
prominently on the jersey and legs, so large that it violated USCF
rules and for a while I had to wear tape on my short legs. I liked the
jersey a lot, but it wasn't the sort of thing you'd want to wear every
day and it wasn't a big hit with the general public. I once heard a
couple discussing my jersey while I was stopped at a light. She liked
it, he hated it.

Bret

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:36:59 -0800 (PST), rick@elevengear.us wrote:

>I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
>choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
>training.
>
>However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
>riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
>time you put it on?
>
>And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
>like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
>logos?
>
>... and for what reasons?
>

Plain and simple NYC jersey:

http://www.jt10000.com/images/esg971.jpg

REPRESENT!!!

[derFahrer@gmail.com]

> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
> time you put it on?

one year we had royal blue shorts that, no matter how much you shook
it, would always show a wet spot upon exiting the porta-potty before
the race.

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Dec 10, 10:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
> choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
> training.
>
> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
> time you put it on?
>
> And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
> like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
> logos?
>
> ... and for what reasons?
>
> Full disclosure here: I have my own small cycling apparel company and
> always enjoy learning more about people's tastes, what they select
> and
> why.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick

Carl should post a picture of his NCL kit. It would be interesting to
know if it was is most loved or most hated getup.

-ilan

[Donald Munro]

rick wrote:
> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every time
> you put it on?

People competing in blazers make me cringe.

> And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you like
> wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or logos?

A virtual wool LIVEDRUNK(tm) jersey.

[Michael Press]

In article
<eab30bf6-3437-4d07-b47e-9675ee4b8e43@i12g2000prf.googl
egroups.com>,
rick@elevengear.us wrote:

> I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
> choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
> training.
>
> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
> time you put it on?
>
> And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
> like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
> logos?
>
> ... and for what reasons?
>
> Full disclosure here: I have my own small cycling apparel company and
> always enjoy learning more about people's tastes, what they select
> and
> why.

You going to send your respondents some kit for
helping you out with the marketing?
A quality jersey with Team Toulouse?

--
Michael Press
RBR Marketing Director

[Bret]

On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> riding/competing in, ...

Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.

http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html

Bret

[Dan Connelly]

Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104.jpg

[Tom Kunich]

"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
news:KPj7j.5464$fl7.200@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net ...
> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104.jpg

MY EYES MY EYES!!!!

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Dec 10, 5:19 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
wrote:
> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG...

Dan, you didn't say if you liked it or hated it. --D-y

[Kyle Legate]

Dan Connelly wrote:
> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104.jpg
>
Jesus, Dan, I think you win.

I thought the earlier years of my team jersey were bad as I have worn,
hanging on the wall here:

http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2_sm.jpg

As you can see, they got better in the later years. The last jersey I
raced in is the Gears jersey hanging on the wall, not the one hanging on
the 'models'. The type of fabric makes more of a difference than the
design on whether I liked to wear it. Most of the jerseys were standard
Louis Garneau polyester, but the third orange/blue design in that series
used a different weave and weight of polyester which sucked to ride in,
I thought.

Now, if I don't ride 'vintage' team kit I like to keep it vaguely
communist with the Republic of Anaerobia, but this fabric is not so
great either, in my opinion.

http://www.anaerobia.com

But no matter how comfortable it is, I would never wear Dan's jersey.

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Dec 10, 4:36 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:

> Plain and simple NYC jersey:
>
> http://www.jt10000.com/images/esg971.jpg
>
> REPRESENT!!!

I'd like a "Defend Brooklyn" jersey, if the place
hadn't already been overrun by hipsters.

Failing that, a "Save the G" (www.savetheg.org) kit.
The G is so borough it isn't even hip.

Ben

[rick@elevengear.us]

> one year we had royal blue shorts that, no matter how much you shook
> it, would always show a wet spot upon exiting the porta-potty before
> the race.

One of many, many reasons black shorts should be the law!

(I mean congratulations on winning and all, but ... eeew):
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/worldcup0708/sydney07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/worldcup0708/sydney07/sydney076/madison2

[Ted van de Weteringe]

derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> one year we had royal blue shorts that, no matter how much you shook
> it, would always show a wet spot upon exiting the porta-potty before
> the race.

Masters team?

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Dec 11, 1:19 am, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> > one year we had royal blue shorts that, no matter how much you shook
> > it, would always show a wet spot upon exiting the porta-potty before
> > the race.
>
> One of many, many reasons black shorts should be the law!
>
> (I mean congratulations on winning and all, but ... eeew):http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/worldcup0708/sydney07/index.ph...

I thought the McEwen shorts were the reason to go back to black:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2002/jul02/tdf/?id=stage18/FSmcewen

-ilan

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Dec 10, 6:49 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 11, 1:19 am, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>
> > > one year we had royal blue shorts that, no matter how much you shook
> > > it, would always show a wet spot upon exiting the porta-potty before
> > > the race.
>
> > One of many, many reasons black shorts should be the law!
>
> > (I mean congratulations on winning and all, but ... eeew):http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/worldcup0708/sydney07/index.ph...
>
> I thought the McEwen shorts were the reason to go back to black:http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2002/jul02/tdf/?id=stage18/FSmcewen

These guys played a part:

http://cucinatestarossa.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/red_bike_shorts_1.jpg
--D-y

[rick@elevengear.us]

>http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG...
> MY EYES MY EYES!!!!

All things being equal I think the (ex) TMobile squadra has the best
looking kit. Gerolsteiner is um, well, I can understand the
relationship to water and all but ... not my favorite. You gotta think
how much better a rider like Rebellin must be if he can win races
while in the baby blue fade kit of the german water company. Just my
opinion.

-Rick

[webhead]

On Dec 11, 7:19 am, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> >http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG...
> > MY EYES MY EYES!!!!
>
> All things being equal I think the (ex) TMobile squadra has the best
> looking kit. Gerolsteiner is um, well, I can understand the
> relationship to water and all but ... not my favorite. You gotta think
> how much better a rider like Rebellin must be if he can win races
> while in the baby blue fade kit of the german water company. Just my
> opinion.
>
> -Rick

I think Francaise has a nice outfit. The white with the clover has an
elegant appearance. The baby blue isn't that bad imho. Lampre is just
a little brighter I think.
A few weeks ago I saw a rider with a jersey which had a giant orange
on it. Looked like it was sponsored by an orange juice company.
Haven't been able to find out more about it though :(

[MagillaGorilla]

rick@elevengear.us wrote:

>>http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG...
>>MY EYES MY EYES!!!!
>
>
> All things being equal I think the (ex) TMobile squadra has the best
> looking kit. Gerolsteiner is um, well, I can understand the
> relationship to water and all but ... not my favorite. You gotta think
> how much better a rider like Rebellin must be if he can win races
> while in the baby blue fade kit of the german water company. Just my
> opinion.
>
> -Rick
>


The T-Mobile kit looks like a Hustler centerfold of a black woman.

Rebellin is a doper too. Nobody drops DiLuca in Italy that many times
unless you're on the Gold Plan with Ferarri. DiLuca should have just
paid the extra 20,000 Euros.

Magilla

[Tom Kunich]

"webhead" <webhead@telenet.be> wrote in message
news:b43fa910-ea91-4676-9a09-4a1359feba38@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 11, 7:19 am, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>> >http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG...
>> > MY EYES MY EYES!!!!
>>
>> All things being equal I think the (ex) TMobile squadra has the best
>> looking kit. Gerolsteiner is um, well, I can understand the
>> relationship to water and all but ... not my favorite. You gotta think
>> how much better a rider like Rebellin must be if he can win races
>> while in the baby blue fade kit of the german water company. Just my
>> opinion.
>
> I think Francaise has a nice outfit. The white with the clover has an
> elegant appearance. The baby blue isn't that bad imho. Lampre is just
> a little brighter I think.
> A few weeks ago I saw a rider with a jersey which had a giant orange
> on it. Looked like it was sponsored by an orange juice company.
> Haven't been able to find out more about it though :(

There has never been another jersey quite as elegant as the La Vie Claire
jersey from the mid-80's. It was taken from a Piet Mondrian painting.

http://www.bernardhinault.com/completed%20pages/gall84/gall84-tdf5.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie_Claire

[derFahrer@gmail.com]

> > one year we had royal blue shorts that, no matter how much you shook
> > it, would always show a wet spot upon exiting the porta-potty before
> > the race.
>
> Masters team?

are you implying something there? :-)

(there was a mix -- some masters some not. everyone seemed to have
the problem. after a while you just said, ah well who cares, nothing
I can do about it).

[Dan Connelly]

dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
> On Dec 10, 5:19 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> wrote:
>> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG...
>
> Dan, you didn't say if you liked it or hated it. --D-y

Sheila Moon makes great stuff,

[rick@elevengear.us]

> These guys played a part:
>
> http://cucinatestarossa.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/red_bike_short...
> --D-y

Okay that does it! I'll start collecting for a hall of shame cycling
photo collection and will post it to www.elevengear.com in a few days.

-Rick

[h squared]

derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:

> everyone seemed to have
> the problem. after a while you just said, ah well who cares, nothing
> I can do about it).
>

um, what about using t.p. instead of the usual shake-n-spot?

(on second thought, never mind, i don't want to know that much about how
those thingies work...)
hh

[Ted van de Weteringe]

h squared wrote:
> um, what about using t.p. instead of the usual shake-n-spot?

Tube pressure? Terminate-a-penis? Tampon protocol? Or the one thing
you don't get in portapotties... toilet paper.

[derFahrer@gmail.com]

On Dec 11, 2:05 pm, h squared <cle...@c.o.m.c.a.s.t.n.e.t> wrote:

> um, what about using t.p. instead of the usual shake-n-spot?

using TP? next thing you'll be suggesting that we sit down to pee.

[Ted van de Weteringe]

Dan Connelly wrote:
> dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
>>> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104.jpg
>>
>> Dan, you didn't say if you liked it or hated it.
>
> Sheila Moon makes great stuff,

....but this is not part of it?

[Michael Press]

In article
<rubrum-4C8D52.19363911122007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.
net>,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote:

> In article
> <eab30bf6-3437-4d07-b47e-9675ee4b8e43@i12g2000prf.googl
> egroups.com>,
> rick@elevengear.us wrote:
>
> > I know many here are racers or former racers. Racers have very little
> > choice what to wear when racing and maybe a little discretion when
> > training.
> >
> > However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> > riding/competing in, or which jerseys and kits did you cringe every
> > time you put it on?
> >
> > And when not obliged to wear the sponsors kit, what jerseys do you
> > like wearing? Subtle or loud, Technical polyesters or wool? Generic or
> > logos?
> >
> > ... and for what reasons?
> >
> > Full disclosure here: I have my own small cycling apparel company and
> > always enjoy learning more about people's tastes, what they select
> > and
> > why.
>
> You going to send your respondents some kit for
> helping you out with the marketing?
> A quality jersey with Team Toulouse?

Somebody was supposed to say "There is no Team Toulouse."

Hello? Is this think on?

--
Michael Press

[h squared]

Ted van de Weteringe wrote:
> h squared wrote:
>> um, what about using t.p. instead of the usual shake-n-spot?
>
> Tube pressure? Terminate-a-penis? Tampon protocol? Or the one thing
> you don't get in portapotties... toilet paper.

i guess in that case you really are s.o.l. (seeping onto leg)

h
if only the most loved/hated jerseys came with some kind of t.p.
carrying pocket...nah, even if it were possible, it would never work-
too much weight to carry and all that ;)

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <5sb3dlF17v6vqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dan Connelly wrote:
> > Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
> > http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104.j
> > pg
> >
> Jesus, Dan, I think you win.

Dan does not win. I will demonstrate below.

> I thought the earlier years of my team jersey were bad as I have worn,
> hanging on the wall here:
>
> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2_sm.jpg

That's an 80x60 image. Something larger?

http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2.jpg
http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow1.jpg

> As you can see, they got better in the later years. The last jersey I
> raced in is the Gears jersey hanging on the wall, not the one hanging on
> the 'models'. The type of fabric makes more of a difference than the
> design on whether I liked to wear it. Most of the jerseys were standard
> Louis Garneau polyester, but the third orange/blue design in that series
> used a different weave and weight of polyester which sucked to ride in,
> I thought.

Nothing wrong with the orange and blue designs, to my mind.

> Now, if I don't ride 'vintage' team kit I like to keep it vaguely
> communist with the Republic of Anaerobia, but this fabric is not so
> great either, in my opinion.
>
> http://www.anaerobia.com

Too bad. I lurve their Poseur jersey.

> But no matter how comfortable it is, I would never wear Dan's jersey.

I promised some ugly jersey:

Ayako Toyooka, 2007 Japanese national Cyclocross Champion:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a003
http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a001

Leopard print, fades, mauve...her own name, spelled out across the
middle of the shirt, is pretty much the most tasteful design element.

BTW, you can just make out the Pearl Izumi logo on one leg.

This podium shot has her jersey covered up by what is presumably the CX
championship jersey, but you get a nice photo of a set of full-length
tights that she did not wear for the race, in the same leopard fade.

This is of course because UCI rules mandate wearing team kit on the
podium, but because it was cold, or possibly there was a delay between
the race end and the ceremony, she would have popped into some comfy
tights in the interval.

Now that's a nice jersey:

http://flickr.com/photos/rcousine/2106753372/
http://flickr.com/photos/rcousine/2105972193/in/photostream/

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[Kyle Legate]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <5sb3dlF17v6vqU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
>>> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104.j
>>> pg
>> >
>> Jesus, Dan, I think you win.
>
> Dan does not win. I will demonstrate below.
>
>> I thought the earlier years of my team jersey were bad as I have worn,
>> hanging on the wall here:
>>
>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2_sm.jpg
>
> That's an 80x60 image. Something larger?
>
> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2.jpg
> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow1.jpg
>
This last one's the one. I don't know how the thumbnail got linked. I
agree the blue and orange isn't so bad, I always wore it when I trained
and was thankful I wasn't a member of the Japanese National team.

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:02:31 -0800 (PST), Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
>> riding/competing in, ...
>
>Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
>theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
>different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
>had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>
>http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html

I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.

[Carl Sundquist]

"Bret" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:09f7a68e-c318-4efd-bd39-0972296551e5@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
>> riding/competing in, ...
>
> Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
> theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
> different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
> had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>
> http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>
> Bret

Marressi shoes. Wish they were still around.

Yeah, I know the name is still around. So are Motobecane, Mercier, Schwinn,
Raleigh, etc.

[derFahrer@gmail.com]

On Dec 13, 6:15 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:

> >http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>
> I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.

... and the bike, imho, looks much cooler than what we have now,
without all the cables sprouting from the bars, the clunky-looking
threadless stem, oversized tubes.

(not a retro-grouch)

[MagillaGorilla]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:02:31 -0800 (PST), Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>>
>>>However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
>>>riding/competing in, ...
>>
>>Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
>>theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
>>different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
>>had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>>
>>http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>
>
> I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.


If I ever looked over in a race and saw preying mantis eyes with that
Puerto Rican cooler lid, I'd crush his trachea with a Zanoli hit like
something out of a bad Davis Phinney dream. There's your ****in' asthma
TUE right there.

"Greg...look what he did to me...Greg..."

Magilla

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<ca7b6b03-ea8b-4ae8-a5df-d4eacb65f3a0@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"derFahrer@gmail.com" <derFahrer@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 13, 6:15 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > >http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
> >
> > I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.
>
> ... and the bike, imho, looks much cooler than what we have now,
> without all the cables sprouting from the bars, the clunky-looking
> threadless stem, oversized tubes.
>
> (not a retro-grouch)

Silly: the cable thing is why you're supposed to use Campy shifters. Or
SRAM, I guess.

I suppose it's what you grow up with. To me that bike looks pretty
spindly, though my first race bike was a steel Pinarello that had pretty
much those proportions and a threaded stem.

Was less beautiful after I added a purple Trek OCLV fork,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[Bret]

On Dec 13, 6:17 am, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derFah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 6:15 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > >http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>
> > I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.
>
> ... and the bike, imho, looks much cooler than what we have now,
> without all the cables sprouting from the bars, the clunky-looking
> threadless stem, oversized tubes.
>
> (not a retro-grouch)

I'm glad you like it. You'll be happy to learn that it was
immortalized in paint:

http://fischer-wade.net/Misc%20Bike%20Stuff/album/slides/davidson.html

Not my idea and the source of much family friction exactly twenty
years ago. To make a long story short, apparently it's absolutely
necessary to call and thank people for Christmas presents on UPS
Delivery Day and and not actually wait until Christmas day.

Bret

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:57:51 -0600, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"Bret" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:09f7a68e-c318-4efd-bd39-0972296551e5@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>>> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
>>> riding/competing in, ...
>>
>> Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
>> theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
>> different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
>> had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>>
>> http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>>
>> Bret
>
>Marressi shoes. Wish they were still around.
>
>Yeah, I know the name is still around. So are Motobecane, Mercier, Schwinn,
>Raleigh, etc.

Yeah. I knew they were not right for me (shaped of the last) and
didn't try them, but those were clearly very well-thought out shoes.

[Bret]

On Dec 13, 11:57 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Bret" <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:09f7a68e-c318-4efd-bd39-0972296551e5@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
> >> However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> >> riding/competing in, ...
>
> > Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
> > theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
> > different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
> > had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>
> >http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>
> > Bret
>
> Marressi shoes. Wish they were still around.
>
> Yeah, I know the name is still around. So are Motobecane, Mercier, Schwinn,
> Raleigh, etc.

I remember being really disappointed that I couldn't replace those
shoes. I went through the same thing more recently with Duegi. I
bought my last pair on a trip to Italy.

Bret

[derFahrer@gmail.com]

On Dec 13, 3:45 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:

>
> Silly: the cable thing is why you're supposed to use Campy shifters. Or
> SRAM, I guess.

I do (Campy that is) ... and while I wouldn't trade the Record Ergo
for downtube shifters I still don't like the cable routing.

> I suppose it's what you grow up with. To me that bike looks pretty
> spindly, though my first race bike was a steel Pinarello that had pretty
> much those proportions and a threaded stem.
>
> Was less beautiful after I added a purple Trek OCLV fork,

you would have been in trouble had you ridden that in Italia.

[Bret]

On Dec 13, 7:53 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:02:31 -0800 (PST), Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>
> >>>However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
> >>>riding/competing in, ...
>
> >>Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
> >>theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
> >>different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
> >>had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>
> >>http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>
> > I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.
>
> If I ever looked over in a race and saw preying mantis eyes with that
> Puerto Rican cooler lid, I'd crush his trachea with a Zanoli hit like
> something out of a bad Davis Phinney dream. There's your ****in' asthma
> TUE right there.
>
> "Greg...look what he did to me...Greg..."
>
> Magilla

Those were Bolle's finest in their day. I can't help how they look
now. And I already have asthma, thanks.

Bret

[MagillaGorilla]

Bret wrote:

> On Dec 13, 6:17 am, "derFah...@gmail.com" <derFah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 13, 6:15 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>>
>>>I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.
>>
>> ... and the bike, imho, looks much cooler than what we have now,
>>without all the cables sprouting from the bars, the clunky-looking
>>threadless stem, oversized tubes.
>>
>>(not a retro-grouch)
>
>
> I'm glad you like it. You'll be happy to learn that it was
> immortalized in paint:
>
> http://fischer-wade.net/Misc%20Bike%20Stuff/album/slides/davidson.html
>
> Not my idea and the source of much family friction exactly twenty
> years ago. To make a long story short, apparently it's absolutely
> necessary to call and thank people for Christmas presents on UPS
> Delivery Day and and not actually wait until Christmas day.
>
> Bret


Those handlebar drops look like a virgin used them as a Sybian.

Thanks,

Magilla

[MagillaGorilla]

Bret wrote:

> On Dec 13, 7:53 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:02:31 -0800 (PST), Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>>
>>>>>However, I'm wondering what jerseys and kits out there did you like
>>>>>riding/competing in, ...
>>
>>>>Here's one I liked a lot from 1989. It had sort of an orange spiderman
>>>>theme. You can't tell from the picture, but the bike frame had
>>>>different colored neon brush strokes in various places and the jersey
>>>>had matching brush strokes on the back. Very artsy.
>>
>>>>http://fischer-wade.net/Road%20Racing/album/slides/road_1.html
>>
>>>I like it. I like the knocked-out grid.
>>
>>If I ever looked over in a race and saw preying mantis eyes with that
>>Puerto Rican cooler lid, I'd crush his trachea with a Zanoli hit like
>>something out of a bad Davis Phinney dream. There's your ****in' asthma
>>TUE right there.
>>
>>"Greg...look what he did to me...Greg..."
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Those were Bolle's finest in their day. I can't help how they look
> now. And I already have asthma, thanks.
>
> Bret


I had a Bolle bag, but lost it one day. ****in' pissed me off cause it
had one of those shoe compartments that no other bag I've purchased
since has...

Well Bret, sounds like you're on your way to being a pro. All you need
now is the extra 1% of rationalization logic to convince yourself that
taking 5 cc's of EPO a week is necessary to treat your blood disorder
(your definition of a blood disorder being the same as your definition
of asthma - that is, having a body that doesn't allow you to win a big
race).

Most of you people in here would have assimilated wonderfully into the
Manson Family. Charlie's coming up for parole again and I expect to see
a lot of you there.

Magilla

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <5sg84nF19f0r5U2@mid.individual.net>,
Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > In article <5sb3dlF17v6vqU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dan Connelly wrote:
> >>> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
> >>> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104
> >>> .j
> >>> pg
> >> >
> >> Jesus, Dan, I think you win.
> >
> > Dan does not win. I will demonstrate below.
> >
> >> I thought the earlier years of my team jersey were bad as I have worn,
> >> hanging on the wall here:
> >>
> >> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2_sm.jpg
> >
> > That's an 80x60 image. Something larger?
> >
> > http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2.jpg
> > http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow1.jpg
> >
> This last one's the one. I don't know how the thumbnail got linked. I
> agree the blue and orange isn't so bad, I always wore it when I trained
> and was thankful I wasn't a member of the Japanese National team.

Eh?

http://www.tashiroyasutaka.com/images/photo03.php

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[Bret]

On Dec 14, 6:48 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> WellBret, sounds like you're on your way to being a pro. All you need
> now is the extra 1% of rationalization logic to convince yourself that
> taking 5 cc's of EPO a week is necessary to treat your blood disorder
> (your definition of a blood disorder being the same as your definition
> of asthma - that is, having a body that doesn't allow you to win a big
> race).

The situation is quite the opposite. I don't like the idea of taking
medicine if I can avoid it. I don't even take vitamins or other
supplements. I've never raced on asthma medication because I dislike
the side effects and as a result, I have a reputation for throwing up
after hard efforts. The picture I linked to above is a Prologue TT. I
threw up within a minute of finishing. Field sprints were bad too.

Bret

[Carl Sundquist]

"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
news:rcousine-D74989.18542314122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>
> http://www.tashiroyasutaka.com/images/photo03.php


I think he's showing how high his brake levers feel.

[Kyle Legate]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <5sg84nF19f0r5U2@mid.individual.net>,
> Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>> In article <5sb3dlF17v6vqU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>>>> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
>>>>> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_4104
>>>>> .j
>>>>> pg
>>>> >
>>>> Jesus, Dan, I think you win.
>>> Dan does not win. I will demonstrate below.
>>>
>>>> I thought the earlier years of my team jersey were bad as I have worn,
>>>> hanging on the wall here:
>>>>
>>>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2_sm.jpg
>>> That's an 80x60 image. Something larger?
>>>
>>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2.jpg
>>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow1.jpg
>>>
>> This last one's the one. I don't know how the thumbnail got linked. I
>> agree the blue and orange isn't so bad, I always wore it when I trained
>> and was thankful I wasn't a member of the Japanese National team.
>
> Eh?
>
> http://www.tashiroyasutaka.com/images/photo03.php
>
Err.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a003

[Carl Sundquist]

> "Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:rcousine-D74989.18542314122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>>
>> http://www.tashiroyasutaka.com/images/photo03.php
>

"I have the pirate's treasure, a.k.a. the sunken chest!"

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <oZH8j.7148$su4.5742@newsfe14.lga>,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:

> > "Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> > news:rcousine-D74989.18542314122007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> >>
> >> http://www.tashiroyasutaka.com/images/photo03.php
> >
>
> "I have the pirate's treasure, a.k.a. the sunken chest!"

From his jealousy, we can tell that Carl's put on a bit of a pot belly
since winning gold in the three-legged race.

Sorry, six-legged race,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <5shgt9F19083bU2@mid.individual.net>,
Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > In article <5sg84nF19f0r5U2@mid.individual.net>,
> > Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >>> In article <5sb3dlF17v6vqU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dan Connelly wrote:
> >>>>> Team Sheila Moon, Coyote Point, Bay Area Prestige Series final:
> >>>>> http://www.veronikalenzi.com/coyotepoint120907large.php?imagename=IMG_41
> >>>>> 04
> >>>>> .j
> >>>>> pg
> >>>> >
> >>>> Jesus, Dan, I think you win.
> >>> Dan does not win. I will demonstrate below.
> >>>
> >>>> I thought the earlier years of my team jersey were bad as I have worn,
> >>>> hanging on the wall here:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2_sm.jpg
> >>> That's an 80x60 image. Something larger?
> >>>
> >>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow2.jpg
> >>> http://mbrc.dyndns.org:64314/2005photos/bikeshow1.jpg
> >>>
> >> This last one's the one. I don't know how the thumbnail got linked. I
> >> agree the blue and orange isn't so bad, I always wore it when I trained
> >> and was thankful I wasn't a member of the Japanese National team.
> >
> > Eh?
> >
> > http://www.tashiroyasutaka.com/images/photo03.php
> >
> Err.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a003

That's all Ayako, baby.

Style details I didn't notice before: pink bike, pink shoes, two-tone
bar tape.

Also, here's the third-place rider resting post-race in a Japanese
National Team jacket:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a006

Which we can now recognize, thanks to the photo of Tashiro above.

In Japan, they use locally-produced tires wrapped in shipping plastic as
a laurel wreath:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a007

The champions jersey for cyclocross is boring:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a018

But the paper decoration, whatever it is, is not.

The road championship jersey is way cooler:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbroemel/377105189/

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:24:10 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca>
wrote:

>Also, here's the third-place rider resting post-race in a Japanese
>National Team jacket:
>
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a006

The girl on the right doesn't look Japanese.

[Tom Kunich]

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
news:qaf8m3t8p176jf0ibaclhnj38kbmgbaren@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:24:10 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Also, here's the third-place rider resting post-race in a Japanese
>>National Team jacket:
>>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a006
>
> The girl on the right doesn't look Japanese.

The token Caucasian.

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <qaf8m3t8p176jf0ibaclhnj38kbmgbaren@4ax.com>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:24:10 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Also, here's the third-place rider resting post-race in a Japanese
> >National Team jacket:
> >
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a006
>
> The girl on the right doesn't look Japanese.

Now JT, I'm impressed that your Nippon-dar managed to detect that fact,
but a little disturbed that your man-dar wasn't triggered.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

[Donald Munro]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Those handlebar drops look like a virgin used them as a Sybian.

http://www.amazon.com/K-Force-Carbon-Shallow-Handlebar-31-8mm/dp/B000QSXWLA

[Howard Kveck]

In article <13m8nogkt54pu44@corp.supernews.com>, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
wrote:

> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
> news:qaf8m3t8p176jf0ibaclhnj38kbmgbaren@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:24:10 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Also, here's the third-place rider resting post-race in a Japanese
> >>National Team jacket:
> >>
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=/photos/2007/dec07/japan07/a006
> >
> > The girl on the right doesn't look Japanese.
>
> The token Caucasian.

??????????

Jusst to note, while the Japanese people are famous for believing all Japanese
look alike, there is a lot of variation in appearance.

--
tanx,
Howard

Safe when used as directed...

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