Kunich: Paris trip postponed by logic from 12 year old

[MagillaGorilla]

Asshat,

I think we should postpone our counter-espionage trip to infiltrate the
LNDD. After reading this editorial from a 14 year old girl, I think she
might - hello - have a point.

Magilla

-------------------------------



Dear Velo,

It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in the
sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on drugs to
do well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.

It is especially disappointing when they deny the facts when - hello -
the samples prove it. T-Mobile has every right to pull away from a team
who does not race honestly, and I support them fully.

I intend to keep racing and hope that one day, I can race in an
environment without the doping scandals.

Sincerely
Hannah Hayduk
Kutztown, Pennsylvania

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13778.0.html

[Carl Sundquist]

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fjkf4v$qcb$1@aioe.org...
> Asshat,
>
> I think we should postpone our counter-espionage trip to infiltrate the
> LNDD. After reading this editorial from a 14 year old girl, I think she
> might - hello - have a point.
>
> Magilla
>
> -------------------------------
>
>
>
> Dear Velo,
>
> It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in the
> sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on drugs to do
> well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.
>
> It is especially disappointing when they deny the facts when - hello - the
> samples prove it. T-Mobile has every right to pull away from a team who
> does not race honestly, and I support them fully.
>
> I intend to keep racing and hope that one day, I can race in an
> environment without the doping scandals.
>
> Sincerely
> Hannah Hayduk
> Kutztown, Pennsylvania
>
> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13778.0.html

How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?

[Tom Kunich]

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
news:p1l7j.2793$m6.1004@newsfe18.lga...
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fjkf4v$qcb$1@aioe.org...
>>
>> It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in the
>> sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on drugs to do
>> well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.
>
> How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?

Carl, these guys know nothing about nothing and pretend to be experts about
everything.

I related my experience with a scientific instrument manufacturer dealing
with a high end French lab that couldn't figure out how to use the
instruments and so instead of trying to learn how they simply claimed that
it didn't work and sent it back. Hey, I was there when the chemist tested it
and it was perfect.

Then reading that bit about how the forms were all made out improperly,
other labs couldn't find the positive that the French lab reported etc. -
that tells me that nothing has changed.

And now that we see that there is to be a SECOND "B" test but this time by
the same lab that made the original test - well, I think we can see the
handwriting on the wall.

This is the sort of funny business that the loudmouths here want. It makes
them feel good to see people accused of things whether or not they had
anything to do with it.

[MagillaGorilla]

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fjkf4v$qcb$1@aioe.org...
>
>> Asshat,
>>
>> I think we should postpone our counter-espionage trip to infiltrate
>> the LNDD. After reading this editorial from a 14 year old girl, I
>> think she might - hello - have a point.
>>
>> Magilla
>>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Velo,
>>
>> It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in
>> the sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on
>> drugs to do well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.
>>
>> It is especially disappointing when they deny the facts when - hello -
>> the samples prove it. T-Mobile has every right to pull away from a
>> team who does not race honestly, and I support them fully.
>>
>> I intend to keep racing and hope that one day, I can race in an
>> environment without the doping scandals.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Hannah Hayduk
>> Kutztown, Pennsylvania
>>
>> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13778.0.html
>
>
> How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?


Dorney Park needs to get their ridiculous lines under control before I
would drop $40 on that carnival.

Magilla

[MagillaGorilla]

Tom Kunich wrote:

> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:p1l7j.2793$m6.1004@newsfe18.lga...
>
>>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fjkf4v$qcb$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>>
>>> It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in
>>> the sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on
>>> drugs to do well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.
>>
>>
>> How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?
>
>
> Carl, these guys know nothing about nothing and pretend to be experts
> about everything.
>
> I related my experience with a scientific instrument manufacturer
> dealing with a high end French lab that couldn't figure out how to use
> the instruments and so instead of trying to learn how they simply
> claimed that it didn't work and sent it back. Hey, I was there when the
> chemist tested it and it was perfect.
>
> Then reading that bit about how the forms were all made out improperly,
> other labs couldn't find the positive that the French lab reported etc.
> - that tells me that nothing has changed.
>
> And now that we see that there is to be a SECOND "B" test but this time
> by the same lab that made the original test - well, I think we can see
> the handwriting on the wall.
>
> This is the sort of funny business that the loudmouths here want. It
> makes them feel good to see people accused of things whether or not they
> had anything to do with it.
>


We'll see what happens with the appeal. But it's unlikely he will win
from a statistical standpoint.

Nobody is obligated to agree with the arbitrators decision, whichever
way they decide.

But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
by the labs is no longer going to wash. If anything, history has shown
cyclists are slandering lab techs. The list of cyclists who have
claimed innocense and attacked the lab science only to later admit they
juiced seems to get larger every year.


Magilla

[Donald Munro]

Carl Sundquist wrote:
>> How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?
>
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Dorney Park needs to get their ridiculous lines under control before I
> would drop $40 on that carnival.

Presumably Magilla prefers ronde champ style $10 pick ups.

[RicodJour]

On Dec 11, 1:21 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> > "MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:fjkf4v$qcb$1@aioe.org...
>
> >> Asshat,
>
> >> I think we should postpone our counter-espionage trip to infiltrate
> >> the LNDD. After reading this editorial from a 14 year old girl, I
> >> think she might - hello - have a point.
>
> >> Magilla
>
> >> -------------------------------
>
> >> Dear Velo,
>
> >> It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in
> >> the sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on
> >> drugs to do well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.
>
> >> It is especially disappointing when they deny the facts when - hello -
> >> the samples prove it. T-Mobile has every right to pull away from a
> >> team who does not race honestly, and I support them fully.
>
> >> I intend to keep racing and hope that one day, I can race in an
> >> environment without the doping scandals.
>
> >> Sincerely
> >> Hannah Hayduk
> >> Kutztown, Pennsylvania
>
> >>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13778.0.html
>
> > How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?
>
> Dorney Park needs to get their ridiculous lines under control before I
> would drop $40 on that carnival.

As if you didn't know that sideshow freaks get in free.

R

[Bob Schwartz]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
> by the labs is no longer going to wash.

Dumbass,

Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
incompetent. And they are. Regardless of the results they
got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
in France) to write them up.

Please try and keep up,

Bob Schwartz

[Bob Schwartz]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> If anything, history has shown
> cyclists are slandering lab techs.

Oh wait, I get it now.

http://www.velonews.com/images/news/12272.18614.f.jpg

She wears the same kind of glasses as Fignon. That's
a trigger for you, isn't it?

Bob Schwartz

[Michael Press]

In article <fjlhi5$eic$1@aioe.org>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
> by the labs is no longer going to wash. If anything, history has shown
> cyclists are slandering lab techs. The list of cyclists who have
> claimed innocense and attacked the lab science only to later admit they
> juiced seems to get larger every year.

You never spent time in a laboratory trying to get
reliable numbers. You have no idea what it takes.
Let me paint a metaphor. You go to shop class and
work four weeks to make and paint a birdhouse.
How did it turn out? Now make us a pair of matched
mahogany end tables.

How long did it take you to get respectable at
a mid-week criterium? Getting reliable, repeatable
numbers counting molecules is very hard work. You
do not know how hard, and how it is that folks
who have gotten reliable numbers can tell when
somebody else is going through the motions.

--
Michael Press

[amit.ghosh@gmail.com]

On Dec 11, 9:29 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
> > But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
> > by the labs is no longer going to wash.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
> levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
> incompetent.



> Regardless of the results they
> got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
> stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
> in France) to write them up.

can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?

(this isn't a challenge, i honestly want to know).

everything you need should be here :

http://landiscase.wikispaces.com/

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed
>> over by the labs is no longer going to wash.
>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
> levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
> incompetent. And they are. Regardless of the results they
> got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
> stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
> in France) to write them up.
>
> Please try and keep up,
>
> Bob Schwartz


I got news for you, Barack, the entire medical profession in this
country is awash in reckless acts every day that result is
dismemberment, injury, and death.

Claiming that you have somehow isolated French lab techs as being out of
the norm is a joke. In any event, the arbitrators in the Landis case
disagree with you on substance and wrote an 84 page report that explains
their position.

Where's your 84-page report that shows they are wrong?

Thanks,

Dennis Quaid

[Bob Schwartz]

amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 11, 9:29 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
>>> by the labs is no longer going to wash.
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
>> levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
>> incompetent.
>
>
>
>> Regardless of the results they
>> got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
>> stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
>> in France) to write them up.
>
> can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
>
> (this isn't a challenge, i honestly want to know).
>
> everything you need should be here :
>
> http://landiscase.wikispaces.com/
>

Well, I am not one of the Landis wonks. I am going from
the arbitration decisions.

http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/Landis%20Final%20(20-09-07)%20(3).pdf
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDissent.pdf

Floyd was convicted based on the IRMS results. Even the
convicting arbitrators accepted that the T/E ratio result
was not acceptable.

My favorite passage is this one, p81, paragraph 311:

"In response to these assertions the Panel finds that the
practises of the Lab in training its employees appears to
lack the vigor the Panel would expect in the circumstances
given the enormous consequences to athletes of an AAF.
Furthermore, the other matters introduced in evidence and
referred to in this section do give some cause for concern.
Nevertheless, like other parts of the evidence in this
matter there are no ISL Rule violations that might result
in the Panel accepting the Respondent’s allegations as
affecting the AAF in this case."

The technicians were observed operating the machine
incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
regarding technician knowledge or training.

Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
the transcription errors, deleting results.

Bob Schwartz

[Bob Schwartz]

Wait, I've got a new favorite passage from the arbitration
ruling. First, from the dissent:

http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDissent.pdf

In Part B under "Legal Analysis", Campbell discusses how
the French lab cherry picked steps from different test
runs to produce a positive result.

In the majority ruling:

http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/Landis%20Final%20(20-09-07)%20(3).pdf

Starting in paragraph 254, it's all OK. No discussion of
whether this is proper lab practice. Since they didn't
know it was Floyd's sample there could be no conspiracy,
so whatever they did was OK.

Bob Schwartz

[rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com]

On Dec 11, 9:02 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> >> they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
> >> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab.
>
> > can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
>
> The technicians were observed operating the machine
> incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
> the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
> the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
> regarding technician knowledge or training.
>
> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
> the transcription errors, deleting results.

Dumbass,

Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Dec 11, 9:29 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
>>>> by the labs is no longer going to wash.
>>>
>>> Dumbass,
>>>
>>> Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
>>> levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
>>> incompetent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regardless of the results they
>>> got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>>> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
>>> stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
>>> in France) to write them up.
>>
>>
>> can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
>>
>> (this isn't a challenge, i honestly want to know).
>>
>> everything you need should be here :
>>
>> http://landiscase.wikispaces.com/
>>
>
> Well, I am not one of the Landis wonks. I am going from
> the arbitration decisions.
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/Landis%20Final%20(20-09-07)%20(3).pdf
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDissent.pdf
>
>
> Floyd was convicted based on the IRMS results. Even the
> convicting arbitrators accepted that the T/E ratio result
> was not acceptable.
>
> My favorite passage is this one, p81, paragraph 311:
>
> "In response to these assertions the Panel finds that the
> practises of the Lab in training its employees appears to
> lack the vigor the Panel would expect in the circumstances
> given the enormous consequences to athletes of an AAF.
> Furthermore, the other matters introduced in evidence and
> referred to in this section do give some cause for concern.
> Nevertheless, like other parts of the evidence in this
> matter there are no ISL Rule violations that might result
> in the Panel accepting the Respondent’s allegations as
> affecting the AAF in this case."
>
> The technicians were observed operating the machine
> incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
> the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
> the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
> regarding technician knowledge or training.
>
> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
> the transcription errors, deleting results.
>
> Bob Schwartz


So riddle me this joker, why did Floyd Landis agree to subject himself
to such an unfair system when he took out his UCI license? Landis and
the rest of the cyclists were free to unioninze and tell everyone they
were not starting any race until WADA upgraded their standards.

But they didn't.

So what is Landis complaining about after the fact - that he's an idiot
for agreeing to such a stupid system? **** that.

The Landis case is a great example of how political apathy by cyclists
in general can come back to sodomize you with a steel pipe.

Even after the public revelations of lab incompetency in the Landis
case, I have yet to see a single rider engage in a sit-down (recall
riders were not shy about protesting the helmet rule back in the early
90's).

Coal and steel workers from the 1920's were smart enough to have unions.
Cyclists don't have unions because they're too busy jerking off to the
team gear they get in January and wearing their Oakley baseball cap
backwards at press conferences.

Believe it or not, there's actually a REASON why all these employment
groups unionized.

The fact that pro cyclists did not unionize and will never unionize says
something about their intelligence and wherewithall compared to coal and
steel workers from the 1920's.

If Landis and the rest of the pros want to get blacklungs and bet their
$700,000/year contract on a 31 year old French girl lab tech's ability
to run an IRMS machine without any manuals, then that's fine with me.

But I certainly won't contribute to an expost facto defense that rolled
the dice and lost the case back when Landis originally agreed to these
queer rules when he took out a UCI license.

All of this goes back to incompetency by the UCI and USAC in failing to
adequately protect their licensees from lab deficiencies. Had
Ochowitz spent more time paying attention to these details he would have
been riding a $15 million/year iShares gravy train team with Landis on
it...instead he and his Springs henchmen were too busy travelling around
the world on membership dime to race junkets (do all the CEO's really
need to spend weeks at every Olympics and Tour of California and Tour de
Georgia, etc.?) and making back-room deals to swindle $100,000 of BMC
money from the USAC membership while figuring out a way to fire
Bisceglia once he found out about it.

And every person in here happily sends their license fee to these Pinto
manufacturers despite the existence of a viable alternative (FIAC).

I've got more comedy material with this lot than a late night talk show
during the Nixon administration.

Magilla

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> If anything, history has shown
>> cyclists are slandering lab techs.
>
>
> Oh wait, I get it now.
>
> http://www.velonews.com/images/news/12272.18614.f.jpg
>
> She wears the same kind of glasses as Fignon. That's
> a trigger for you, isn't it?
>
> Bob Schwartz


The only way to find out if she's a Fignon operative is to do her from
behind and see if she has a System U tramp stamp on her lower back.

Magilla

[Donald Munro]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations, the
>> transcription errors, deleting results.
>
rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.

The moral of the story is don't buy your crystal meth (or LSD)
from sophomore level chemistry students.

[Bob Schwartz]

rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 11, 9:02 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>> they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>>>> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab.
>>> can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
>> The technicians were observed operating the machine
>> incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
>> the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
>> the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
>> regarding technician knowledge or training.
>>
>> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
>> the transcription errors, deleting results.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.

Its remedial. Fudging test results is something they should
have had in General Chem as Freshman.

Bob Schwartz

[Tom Kunich]

<rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:728330b8-7d34-4422-8557-cb1c8a17fcba@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 11, 9:02 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> >> they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>> >> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab.
>>
>> > can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
>>
>> The technicians were observed operating the machine
>> incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
>> the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
>> the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
>> regarding technician knowledge or training.
>>
>> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
>> the transcription errors, deleting results.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.

And yet it delights you to know that despite the fact that they didn't know
how to operate the machinery properly, that the initial finding of 4.5:1 and
the second finding of 11:l plainly demonstrate a bacteriological
contaminant that completely disqualifies the samples or that they didn't
even understand proper documentation procedures, that you're more than
willing to accept the findings of a completely incompetent laboratory and
destroy the life's work of an athlete.

Congratulations.

[Michael Press]

In article
<728330b8-7d34-4422-8557-cb1c8a17fcba@i29g2000prf.googl
egroups.com>,
rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:

> On Dec 11, 9:02 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > >> they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
> > >> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab.
> >
> > > can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
> >
> > The technicians were observed operating the machine
> > incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
> > the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
> > the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
> > regarding technician knowledge or training.
> >
> > Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
> > the transcription errors, deleting results.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.

I did better in freshman chemistry lab. Had to show up
0800 hours, Saturday too. And it was all wet chemistry.

--
Michael Press

[MagillaGorilla]

RicodJour wrote:

> On Dec 11, 1:21 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:fjkf4v$qcb$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>>>Asshat,
>>
>>>>I think we should postpone our counter-espionage trip to infiltrate
>>>>the LNDD. After reading this editorial from a 14 year old girl, I
>>>>think she might - hello - have a point.
>>
>>>>Magilla
>>
>>>>-------------------------------
>>
>>>>Dear Velo,
>>
>>>>It is depressing how many people have doping issues. As a junior in
>>>>the sport of racing, I am disappointed on how many "pros" rely on
>>>>drugs to do well. They are robbing people who actually work hard.
>>
>>>>It is especially disappointing when they deny the facts when - hello -
>>>>the samples prove it. T-Mobile has every right to pull away from a
>>>>team who does not race honestly, and I support them fully.
>>
>>>>I intend to keep racing and hope that one day, I can race in an
>>>>environment without the doping scandals.
>>
>>>>Sincerely
>>>>Hannah Hayduk
>>>>Kutztown, Pennsylvania
>>
>>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13778.0.html
>>
>>>How do you know she's 14? Did you pick her up at Dorney Park?
>>
>>Dorney Park needs to get their ridiculous lines under control before I
>>would drop $40 on that carnival.
>
>
> As if you didn't know that sideshow freaks get in free.
>
> R


Got a mapquest link to that gate entrance? The coupon I have says I
qualify if I bring your sister.

Magilla

[Michael Press]

In article
<475ee6ba$0$1769$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Bob Schwartz wrote:
> >> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations, the
> >> transcription errors, deleting results.
> >
> rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> > Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.
>
> The moral of the story is don't buy your crystal meth (or LSD)
> from sophomore level chemistry students.

I knew an organiker researched LSD syntheses. Would
painstakingly track down a synthesis from ingredients
you could still get, pull the bound journal, and find
the article razored out.

--
Michael Press

[Bob Schwartz]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed
>>> over by the labs is no longer going to wash.
>>
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
>> levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
>> incompetent. And they are. Regardless of the results they
>> got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
>> stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
>> in France) to write them up.
>>
>> Please try and keep up,
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
>
> I got news for you, Barack, the entire medical profession in this
> country is awash in reckless acts every day that result is
> dismemberment, injury, and death.
>
> Claiming that you have somehow isolated French lab techs as being out of
> the norm is a joke. In any event, the arbitrators in the Landis case
> disagree with you on substance and wrote an 84 page report that explains
> their position.
>
> Where's your 84-page report that shows they are wrong?

I'm referencing their 84 page report where they discuss why
they threw out the T/E Ratio result along with the rest of
the sloppy **** the French lab did.

Please try and keep up,

Bob Schwartz

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed
>>>> over by the labs is no longer going to wash.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dumbass,
>>>
>>> Any framing and screwing happens at the administrative
>>> levels. The charge against the lab techs is that they are
>>> incompetent. And they are. Regardless of the results they
>>> got, they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>>> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab. They did
>>> stuff that would cause auditors (if they have lab auditors
>>> in France) to write them up.
>>>
>>> Please try and keep up,
>>>
>>> Bob Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> I got news for you, Barack, the entire medical profession in this
>> country is awash in reckless acts every day that result is
>> dismemberment, injury, and death.
>>
>> Claiming that you have somehow isolated French lab techs as being out
>> of the norm is a joke. In any event, the arbitrators in the Landis
>> case disagree with you on substance and wrote an 84 page report that
>> explains their position.
>>
>> Where's your 84-page report that shows they are wrong?
>
>
> I'm referencing their 84 page report where they discuss why
> they threw out the T/E Ratio result along with the rest of
> the sloppy **** the French lab did.
>
> Please try and keep up,
>
> Bob Schwartz


Okay, then you also read the parts where they explained why they found
Landis guilty.


Magilla

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> Wait, I've got a new favorite passage from the arbitration
> ruling. First, from the dissent:
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDissent.pdf
>
>
> In Part B under "Legal Analysis", Campbell discusses how
> the French lab cherry picked steps from different test
> runs to produce a positive result.
>
> Bob Schwartz


-------

Campbell also voted to acquit Tyler "I owe $40,0000 to a Spanish
gynecologist named Dr. Fuentes" Hamilton.

Let me ask you something, Bob. Does your health insurance cover getting
Pro Tour semen pumped out of your stomach?


Magilla

[MagillaGorilla]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> Wait, I've got a new favorite passage from the arbitration
> ruling. First, from the dissent:
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDissent.pdf
>
>
> In Part B under "Legal Analysis", Campbell discusses how
> the French lab cherry picked steps from different test
> runs to produce a positive result.
>
> In the majority ruling:


Dear Oprah,

Campbell failed to apply the mandatory regimented test that the WADA
protocol calls for when triaging the seriousness of an ISO lab violation.

The manjority applied the correct test, which they painstakingly
detailed in their report. Whether or not they got the details right
remains to be seen when the appeal decision is rendered.

But Campbell's logic paints with such a wide brush that the finished
canvas ends up looking like a Highlights drawing by some 4 year old
whose mother took Thalidomide.

If Campbell could explain why Hamilton owed $40,000 to a gynecologist in
Spain (Fuentes), then perhaps I could take him more seriously as an
arbitrator.

Magilla

[Bob Schwartz]

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Campbell also voted to acquit Tyler "I owe $40,0000 to a Spanish
> gynecologist named Dr. Fuentes" Hamilton.
>
> Let me ask you something, Bob. Does your health insurance cover getting
> Pro Tour semen pumped out of your stomach?

Just because I think Tyler did it doesn't mean I don't
see a problem with showing a test result to the guy
that developed the test, telling him that it belongs
to gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, and asking him if it
is positive. So I could see where Campbell was coming
from with that. And other of his points in that case.

It has been quite some time since a Believer in Tyler
has shown up here.

Bob Schwartz

[MagillaGorilla]

Tom Kunich wrote:

> <rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:728330b8-7d34-4422-8557-cb1c8a17fcba@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Dec 11, 9:02 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> they did stuff that I can tell you would cause you
>>> >> problems in a sophomore level chemistry lab.
>>>
>>> > can you give me a concrete example of what you're talking about ?
>>>
>>> The technicians were observed operating the machine
>>> incorrectly, and the lab couldn't show that they knew how
>>> the instrument worked. Nor could they look it up because
>>> the documentation was missing. But there is no rule
>>> regarding technician knowledge or training.
>>>
>>> Other stuff... skipping scheduled instrument calibrations,
>>> the transcription errors, deleting results.
>>
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> Those all sound pretty normal for a sophomore level chemistry lab.
>
>
> And yet it delights you to know that despite the fact that they didn't
> know how to operate the machinery properly, that the initial finding of
> 4.5:1 and the second finding of 11:l plainly demonstrate a
> bacteriological contaminant that completely disqualifies the samples or
> that they didn't even understand proper documentation procedures, that
> you're more than willing to accept the findings of a completely
> incompetent laboratory and destroy the life's work of an athlete.
>
> Congratulations.
>

The Sinka***** case shows you probably owe those same French lab girls a
bottle of Chanel No. 5 for Christmas to show them just how sorry you are
for saying all these bad things about them for the past 18 months.

Nothing says sorry like a bottle of Chanel.

Magilla

[Tom Kunich]

"Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:KmD7j.52910$eY.10024@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> Campbell also voted to acquit Tyler "I owe $40,0000 to a Spanish
>> gynecologist named Dr. Fuentes" Hamilton.
>>
>> Let me ask you something, Bob. Does your health insurance cover getting
>> Pro Tour semen pumped out of your stomach?
>
> Just because I think Tyler did it doesn't mean I don't
> see a problem with showing a test result to the guy
> that developed the test, telling him that it belongs
> to gold medalist Tyler Hamilton, and asking him if it
> is positive. So I could see where Campbell was coming
> from with that. And other of his points in that case.
>
> It has been quite some time since a Believer in Tyler
> has shown up here.

I will say it yet again - unless the "good guys" can win without cheating
they can't win at all.

[MagillaGorilla]

Michael Press wrote:

> In article <fjlhi5$eic$1@aioe.org>,
> MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>But the idea that cyclists are routinely getting framed or screwed over
>>by the labs is no longer going to wash. If anything, history has shown
>>cyclists are slandering lab techs. The list of cyclists who have
>>claimed innocense and attacked the lab science only to later admit they
>>juiced seems to get larger every year.
>
>
> You never spent time in a laboratory trying to get
> reliable numbers. You have no idea what it takes.
> Let me paint a metaphor. You go to shop class and
> work four weeks to make and paint a birdhouse.
> How did it turn out? Now make us a pair of matched
> mahogany end tables.
>
> How long did it take you to get respectable at
> a mid-week criterium? Getting reliable, repeatable
> numbers counting molecules is very hard work. You
> do not know how hard, and how it is that folks
> who have gotten reliable numbers can tell when
> somebody else is going through the motions.
>


Dude,

I spent so much time in labs that I could tell you which insect species
will survive the carousel g-ride on the HCT setting of a Beckman Coulter
centrifuge (ticks* kick the bejesus out of anything else on this planet).

Don't tell me you've never done it on a late Friday afternoon either,
brother.

I use to cross-contaminate the contiguous wells in ELISA tests all the
time in the rinse & blot step and then call up the 1-800 number on the
box and tell them to send me more stuff because it sure as hell wasn't
my fault.

Lab directors loved me. They called me Stock Boy.

I could probably teach you a thing or two about how to re-stock your lab
for free.


Magilla

*arachnid, insect - same thing.

[Ted van de Weteringe]

Michael Press wrote:
> I did better in freshman chemistry lab.

Ah, but we were talking about frenchman chemistry lab.

[Michael Press]

In article
<q17vl351m1s73tm3c6n45c5po308cp6qm1@4ax.com>,
Ted van de Weteringe <myfullname@xs4all.nl.invalid>
wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> > I did better in freshman chemistry lab.
>
> Ah, but we were talking about frenchman chemistry lab.

No mystery why freshman labs are scheduled when they
are. But nobody was around except the hind teat
graduate student minding the absolute EtOH.

-- I'd like the powdered Al, Fe2O3, KMnO4, C3H5(OH)3,
and Mg wire to go, please.

-- Would you like dry sand with that?

--
Michael Press

[Kyle Legate]

Michael Press wrote:
>
> -- I'd like the powdered Al, Fe2O3, KMnO4, C3H5(OH)3,
> and Mg wire to go, please.
>
Expect a visit from Homeland Security.

[Michael Press]

In article <5sj607F19fd4cU1@mid.individual.net>,
Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> >
> > -- I'd like the powdered Al, Fe2O3, KMnO4, C3H5(OH)3,
> > and Mg wire to go, please.
> >
> Expect a visit from Homeland Security.

I over-egged the custard.
Cancel the Mg ribbon.

--
Michael Press