Tressoplast Cloth Tape

[Tom Nakashima]

Anyone still use it?
I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
-tom

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Anyone still use it?
> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> -tom

I used Tressoplast for several years - "as is". The shellac thing
seems an affect, IMO, right up there with twine and beeswax.

[landotter]

On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Anyone still use it?
> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> -tom

Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
ride the curve before the levers.

After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.

[A Muzi]

Tom Nakashima wrote:
> Anyone still use it?
> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?

Green is a discontinued color at Velox.

Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.

p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.

Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/

mmmm... Gold Spidel...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Nakashima]

French Polish -
An article on shellacking cloth handlebar tape:
http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
-tom

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 11:02 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > Anyone still use it?
> > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> > -tom
>
> Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
> the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
> ride the curve before the levers.
>
> After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
> Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.

Geez, if ya only get two weeks outta cloth tape, how long does cork
last? 72hrs?

[Tom Nakashima]

"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d78aeebc-9a27-4ac0-a761-5ba76ed8f825@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Anyone still use it?
>> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
>> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
>> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>> -tom
>
> Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
> the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
> ride the curve before the levers.
>
> After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
> Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.

Yes, I'll be taping a dropped bar, but "track style" the lower section.
I thought of starting mid bar and working down to the plug. But may
reconsider because of the overlaps if put on dry. That was the reason
for asking about dressings.
-tom

[Mark]

landotter wrote:
> On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Anyone still use it?
>> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
>> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
>> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>> -tom
>
> Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
> the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
> ride the curve before the levers.
>
> After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
> Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.

I put some used cork tape on my commuter, then wrapped over it with some
cateye cloth (it's what the LBS had). The idea was to get something a
bit soft but durable; also the cork tape was torn in a few spots and
needed a bit of "support". Alas, the Cateye tape never was terribly
durable, and it's worn through at my usual hand positions. I may try to
get some Tressostar (?different from Tressoplast?) to replace the Cateye
with; IIRC the Tressostar wore like iron (seemed to turn /into/ iron
after a few weeks).

Mark

[landotter]

On Dec 12, 11:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 11:02 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone still use it?
> > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> > > -tom
>
> > Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
> > the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
> > ride the curve before the levers.
>
> > After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
> > Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.
>
> Geez, if ya only get two weeks outta cloth tape, how long does cork
> last? 72hrs?

Nah, it'd just take me two weeks to get sick of it. But hey, it's a
step up from the crapola that was/is Benotto Cello.

I like the generic $4 closed cell black stuff from Nashbar. I replace
it yearly, with a bit of the old tape in the insides of curves to make
things super comfy.

Cloth tape is for ankles and squash rackets.

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 12, 9:26 am, Mark <remove.mandmlj.t...@remove.comcast.this.net>
wrote:
> I may try to
> get some Tressostar (?different from Tressoplast?)

Tressostar is Velox's cloth tape. Tressoplast is Zefal's brand of the
same thing.

[Tom Nakashima]

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13m09ndbrcsmm7d@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team Peugeot
> here with fresh white cloth tape:
> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
> mmmm... Gold Spidel...
> --
> Andrew Muzi

No droolin for me!
In my younger days I used to enjoy viewing Concourse d-Elegance
bikes, even had a few, but got rid of them all. Today, I enjoy the "Rat
Bikes" I like them beat-up and ragged. I love the bikes that have paid
their dues on the road, they are fun to ride.
-tom

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:28:30 -0600, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:

[snip tape]

>http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/

Dear Andrew,

Thanks!

Three pre-war bicycles.

1914 Thomann with flip-flop hub, massive "quick-release" butterflies
on the rear axle, a forward-facing dropout, tiny half-inch chain,and
those strange new cable-operated brakes, the rear brake presumably for
when the hub is flipped to the freewheel:

http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191461.html

***

1907 Peugeot with a proper spoon brake, decent inch-pitch chain, a
rear-facing dropout, and the ever-handy rear hub oiler:

http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191420.html

***

1903 Ondiana with a nice old frame bag, wooden ends on the moustache
handlebar, and another tiny-pitch chain, this one wrapped around a
curiously threaded hub. I can't recall seeing that much thread exposed
on an old hub, so I wonder if it was once an early gear-cluster design
(which preferred tiny-pitch chain) that the owner replaced for the
sake of simplicity.

http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191415.html

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 12:28 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > Anyone still use it?
> > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.
>
> Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/

Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!


>
> mmmm... Gold Spidel...
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[* * Chas]

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13m09ndbrcsmm7d@corp.supernews.com...
> Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > Anyone still use it?
> > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.
>
> Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> mmmm... Gold Spidel...
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Great site.... I moved back from the keyboard. I spilled a glass of wine
on my favorite keyboard several weeks ago and trashed it. There's drool
all over my lap instead.

Chas.

[richard]

Team Peugeot??? Those were built with 531 RED, not green (PY-10 vs PX-10)?

A Muzi wrote:
> Tom Nakashima wrote:
>> Anyone still use it?
>> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
>> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
>> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.
>
> Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> mmmm... Gold Spidel...

[Jay Beattie]

On Dec 12, 10:26 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 11:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:02 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Anyone still use it?
> > > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> > > > -tom
>
> > > Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
> > > the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
> > > ride the curve before the levers.
>
> > > After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
> > > Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.
>
> > Geez, if ya only get two weeks outta cloth tape, how long does cork
> > last? 72hrs?
>
> Nah, it'd just take me two weeks to get sick of it. But hey, it's a
> step up from the crapola that was/is Benotto Cello.

Au contraire! The Benotto Celo tape was uber-groovy. You could do
blinding effects with it: http://masiguy.blogspot.com/2005/08/i-just-love-this-stuff.html
-- not to mention the elusive checkered pattern (mastered by a select
few). It came in a zillion colors, too.

I used this stuff for a few years until I realized that it was
dangerously slippery when wet (not a concern when I lived in
California -- but a major concern in Oregon). I switched back to
Tressostar -- and then the various post-cloth products. I wouldn't
use it on a bet today. -- Jay Beattie.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 12:26 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 11:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:02 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 10:47 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Anyone still use it?
> > > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> > > > -tom
>
> > > Dry is fine. I used to like to start at the plug and wrap up towards
> > > the stem, which keeps the overlapping bits from curling if you like to
> > > ride the curve before the levers.
>
> > > After about two weeks, discard and replace with cork tape.
> > > Alternately, shellac the cloth tape and develop a hip slouch.
>
> > Geez, if ya only get two weeks outta cloth tape, how long does cork
> > last? 72hrs?
>
> Nah, it'd just take me two weeks to get sick of it. But hey, it's a
> step up from the crapola that was/is Benotto Cello.


There are still people selling, buying and using that stuff. I always
thought it was horribly slick n' slippery but I guess someone likes
it. Sorta like tubies.


>
> I like the generic $4 closed cell black stuff from Nashbar. I replace
> it yearly, with a bit of the old tape in the insides of curves to make
> things super comfy.

I'm about to try some cork hybrid (part cork/part synthetic) from
Profile on one of my bikes. Standard 'cork tape' is so ^$*# fragile
(interestingly, the cheap stuff under the Nashbar name seems more
durable than the Cinelli stuff).
>
> Cloth tape is for ankles and

.....and wrists?! A little B&D can make the "offseason" more
interesting! ;-)

>squash rackets.

[A Muzi]

carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> [snip tape]
>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/

> Three pre-war bicycles.
-snip-
> 1903 Ondiana with a nice old frame bag, wooden ends on the moustache
> handlebar, and another tiny-pitch chain, this one wrapped around a
> curiously threaded hub. I can't recall seeing that much thread exposed
> on an old hub, so I wonder if it was once an early gear-cluster design
> (which preferred tiny-pitch chain) that the owner replaced for the
> sake of simplicity.
> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191415.html

I am not an expert but if one screws a single freewheel onto a more
recent 4-5-6-7 speed freewheel hub (thirty or more anachronistic years
in between) it would look just like that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:12:44 -0600, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:

>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> [snip tape]
>>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
>> Three pre-war bicycles.
>-snip-
>> 1903 Ondiana with a nice old frame bag, wooden ends on the moustache
>> handlebar, and another tiny-pitch chain, this one wrapped around a
>> curiously threaded hub. I can't recall seeing that much thread exposed
>> on an old hub, so I wonder if it was once an early gear-cluster design
>> (which preferred tiny-pitch chain) that the owner replaced for the
>> sake of simplicity.
>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191415.html
>
>I am not an expert but if one screws a single freewheel onto a more
>recent 4-5-6-7 speed freewheel hub (thirty or more anachronistic years
>in between) it would look just like that.

Dear Andrew,

That could explain it--an old bike with old parts replaced with new
parts.

That hub kinda-sorta looks like aluminum, as do several other parts,
which would be a bit odd in such an old bike, though there were a
surprising number of aluminum parts floating around even earlier than
1903.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Tom Nakashima]

"Hank Wirtz" <hank@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
news:d5e5f187-2c07-485e-b1b7-5be99a05eb15@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 12, 9:26 am, Mark <remove.mandmlj.t...@remove.comcast.this.net>
> wrote:
>> I may try to
>> get some Tressostar (?different from Tressoplast?)
>
> Tressostar is Velox's cloth tape. Tressoplast is Zefal's brand of the
> same thing.

I believe it's Velox Tressorex
http://www.velox.fr/fr/index.php?art=5&th=22
-tom

[A Muzi]

>>> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> [snip tape]
>>>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/

>> carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>>> Three pre-war bicycles.
>> -snip-
>>> 1903 Ondiana with a nice old frame bag, wooden ends on the moustache
>>> handlebar, and another tiny-pitch chain, this one wrapped around a
>>> curiously threaded hub. I can't recall seeing that much thread exposed
>>> on an old hub, so I wonder if it was once an early gear-cluster design
>>> (which preferred tiny-pitch chain) that the owner replaced for the
>>> sake of simplicity.
>>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191415.html

> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> I am not an expert but if one screws a single freewheel onto a more
>> recent 4-5-6-7 speed freewheel hub (thirty or more anachronistic years
>> in between) it would look just like that.

carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> That could explain it--an old bike with old parts replaced with new
> parts.
>
> That hub kinda-sorta looks like aluminum, as do several other parts,
> which would be a bit odd in such an old bike, though there were a
> surprising number of aluminum parts floating around even earlier than
> 1903.

The cap on the Washington Monument for example? It was horrendously
expensive, predating the modern electric furnace technique for smelting
aluminum which hadn't yet been developed.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 12, 12:59 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> "Hank Wirtz" <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:d5e5f187-2c07-485e-b1b7-5be99a05eb15@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 12, 9:26 am, Mark <remove.mandmlj.t...@remove.comcast.this.net>
> > wrote:
> >> I may try to
> >> get some Tressostar (?different from Tressoplast?)
>
> > Tressostar is Velox's cloth tape. Tressoplast is Zefal's brand of the
> > same thing.
>
> I believe it's Velox Tressorexhttp://www.velox.fr/fr/index.php?art=5&th=22
> -tom
Both are made by Velox.

I've never actually seen Tressorex before. I don't think they sell it
in the US.

Here's their description of Tressorex:
Rolls of woven cotton.

Here's the same site's description of Tressostar:
Reinforced cotton handlebar ribbon of superior quality.

I'd guess that the cloth tape market in the US is small enough that
there's no point in pitching your $2.50 roll against your $3 roll.

Andy - you sell NOS of both models, how do they compare?

[A Muzi]

>> Mark <remove.mandmlj.t...@remove.comcast.this.net> wrote:
>>> I may try to
>>> get some Tressostar (?different from Tressoplast?)

> "Hank Wirtz" <hank@wirtznet.net> wrote
>> Tressostar is Velox's cloth tape. Tressoplast is Zefal's brand of the
>> same thing.

Tom Nakashima wrote:
> I believe it's Velox Tressorex
> http://www.velox.fr/fr/index.php?art=5&th=22

Tressostar and Tressorex are Velox products.
Tressoplast was their competitor; acquired by Zéfal.

There were several cotton tape vendors each with products at multiple
quality levels at one time (Gaslo, Chimiplast, Dissoplast, etc).
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:37:20 -0600, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:

>>>> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> [snip tape]
>>>>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
>>> carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> Three pre-war bicycles.
>>> -snip-
>>>> 1903 Ondiana with a nice old frame bag, wooden ends on the moustache
>>>> handlebar, and another tiny-pitch chain, this one wrapped around a
>>>> curiously threaded hub. I can't recall seeing that much thread exposed
>>>> on an old hub, so I wonder if it was once an early gear-cluster design
>>>> (which preferred tiny-pitch chain) that the owner replaced for the
>>>> sake of simplicity.
>>>> http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/article-191415.html
>
>> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> I am not an expert but if one screws a single freewheel onto a more
>>> recent 4-5-6-7 speed freewheel hub (thirty or more anachronistic years
>>> in between) it would look just like that.
>
>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> That could explain it--an old bike with old parts replaced with new
>> parts.
>>
>> That hub kinda-sorta looks like aluminum, as do several other parts,
>> which would be a bit odd in such an old bike, though there were a
>> surprising number of aluminum parts floating around even earlier than
>> 1903.
>
>The cap on the Washington Monument for example? It was horrendously
>expensive, predating the modern electric furnace technique for smelting
>aluminum which hadn't yet been developed.

Dear Andrew,

I used to think so and even used the same example.

But the pure aluminum cap cost only $256.10 in 1884, about the price
of three bicycles, for a one-offe 6.27 lb casting:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9511/Binczewski-9511.html

The complicated estimate for the original copper-aluminum cap was only
$50 (gold plated!) or $75 (for platinum plating).

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9511/Binczewski-9511.html

A Scientific American article on 1896 aluminum rims will appear
shortly.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[landotter]

On Dec 12, 3:44 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> French Polish -
> An article on shellacking cloth handlebar tape:http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
> Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
> -tom

Yup. They sort of remind me of bonito flakes.

"Hey this miso soup really sticks to your ribs!"

http://tinyurl.com/2nvj6s

[still just me]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
<tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:

>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.

Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.

[A Muzi]

>>> Mark <remove.mandmlj.t...@remove.comcast.this.net> wrote:
>>>> I may try to
>>>> get some Tressostar (?different from Tressoplast?)

>> "Hank Wirtz" <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
>>> Tressostar is Velox's cloth tape. Tressoplast is Zefal's brand of the
>>> same thing.

> "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> I believe it's Velox Tressorexhttp://www.velox.fr/fr/index.php?art=5&th=22

Hank Wirtz wrote:
> Both are made by Velox.
> I've never actually seen Tressorex before. I don't think they sell it
> in the US.
> Here's their description of Tressorex:
> Rolls of woven cotton.
> Here's the same site's description of Tressostar:
> Reinforced cotton handlebar ribbon of superior quality.
> I'd guess that the cloth tape market in the US is small enough that
> there's no point in pitching your $2.50 roll against your $3 roll.
> Andy - you sell NOS of both models, how do they compare?

Sorry, we run through cloth tape here like milk at a 7-11, no NOS*.

We can't get Zéfal Tressoplast any longer. Theoretically, Tressostar
costs pennies more than Tressorex but only the 'premium' tape is readily
available. I wrote 'premium' because the modern weave/materials are
uniformly difficult to wrap compared to vintage cloth tape.

[* I refill the classic cardboard boxes now with Velox Tressostar tape]
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 5:02 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 3:44 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > French Polish -
> > An article on shellacking cloth handlebar tape:http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
> > Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
> > -tom
>
> Yup. They sort of remind me of bonito flakes.
>
> "Hey this miso soup really sticks to your ribs!"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2nvj6s

Howz it work on handlebars?

[landotter]

On Dec 12, 5:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:

> I'm about to try some cork hybrid (part cork/part synthetic) from
> Profile on one of my bikes. Standard 'cork tape' is so ^$*# fragile
> (interestingly, the cheap stuff under the Nashbar name seems more
> durable than the Cinelli stuff).
>
>

The Cinelli stuff is indeed overpriced and fragile. I do the "closed
cell" stuff, which is cork free:

http://tinyurl.com/yshnpf

Pretty much what you get OEM on most bikes these days. Very durable.
Far more comfy than the $20 fancy schmancy tape the BS across town
talked me into last year.

[landotter]

On Dec 12, 5:12 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 5:02 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12, 3:44 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > > French Polish -
> > > An article on shellacking cloth handlebar tape:http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
> > > Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
> > > -tom
>
> > Yup. They sort of remind me of bonito flakes.
>
> > "Hey this miso soup really sticks to your ribs!"
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2nvj6s
>
> Howz it work on handlebars?

It makes them succulent!

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 5:31 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 5:12 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 5:02 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 3:44 pm, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > French Polish -
> > > > An article on shellacking cloth handlebar tape:http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
> > > > Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
> > > > -tom
>
> > > Yup. They sort of remind me of bonito flakes.
>
> > > "Hey this miso soup really sticks to your ribs!"
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2nvj6s
>
> > Howz it work on handlebars?
>
> It makes them succulent!

There's a succulent born every minute.

[Peter Cole]

landotter wrote:
> On Dec 12, 5:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm about to try some cork hybrid (part cork/part synthetic) from
>> Profile on one of my bikes. Standard 'cork tape' is so ^$*# fragile
>> (interestingly, the cheap stuff under the Nashbar name seems more
>> durable than the Cinelli stuff).
>>
>>
>
> The Cinelli stuff is indeed overpriced and fragile. I do the "closed
> cell" stuff, which is cork free:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yshnpf
>
> Pretty much what you get OEM on most bikes these days. Very durable.
> Far more comfy than the $20 fancy schmancy tape the BS across town
> talked me into last year.

Yes, I've switched to this stuff from Cinelli. I like the feel just as
much, it's much more durable, and you can wrap it very tight without
fear of tearing. Plus, it's cheap.

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 12, 3:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 12:28 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > > Anyone still use it?
> > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.
>
> > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
> 1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!
>


My PX-10 has the same gap at the top of the BB/ST junction. Rides
fine, in the 20-odd years I've had it.

[* * Chas]

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
news:35bfa590-b36d-47e4-bd20-a72c407979f9@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 12, 12:28 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > > Anyone still use it?
> > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> >
> > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
> >
> > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
> >
> > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
wrap.
> >
> > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth
tape:http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
> 1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!

I noticed that too. The upper end Peugeots were usually assembled pretty
well. this may have been a reject frame, that's why it's in good shape???

Chas.

[Tom Nakashima]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iss0m311opa3oo7rkvcicu5mu71eg2he0v@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
> <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
>
> Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.

Yes, been reading about the dilutions, mixtures and formulas from
such craftsman... it's actually quite interesting.
The white cloth tape turns color when shellacked.
Back in the old days, some cyclist even had their signature shellacking's.
Sounds funny today, a "signature shellacking", but these cyclist were
quite serious.
Think I'm going to try it, something new... or old.
It's going on a 1968 Cinelli Pista "user bike"
Now if I could only find a set of Clement Criterium Seta's.
-tom

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 12, 9:22 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 3:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 12:28 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> > > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > > > Anyone still use it?
> > > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> > > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> > > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> > > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.
>
> > > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> > Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
> > 1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!
>
> My PX-10 has the same gap at the top of the BB/ST junction. Rides
> fine, in the 20-odd years I've had it.

Whether or not it leads to a failure, that sort of thing doesn't speak
well of the craftsmanship. And I wonder about what can't be readily
seen, like how well the tubes were mitered. I'm not picking on Peugeot
here, because they are certainly not alone in this. It's easy to
forget how sloppy some of these old production line frames could be,
including the higher end models. IMO, it really was the Japanese
makers who raised the bar in this area, in the late '70s and through
the '80s.

[* * Chas]

"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:fjrj2k$jut$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iss0m311opa3oo7rkvcicu5mu71eg2he0v@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
> > <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
> >
> > Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.
>
> Yes, been reading about the dilutions, mixtures and formulas from
> such craftsman... it's actually quite interesting.
> The white cloth tape turns color when shellacked.
> Back in the old days, some cyclist even had their signature
shellacking's.
> Sounds funny today, a "signature shellacking", but these cyclist were
> quite serious.
> Think I'm going to try it, something new... or old.
> It's going on a 1968 Cinelli Pista "user bike"
> Now if I could only find a set of Clement Criterium Seta's.
> -tom
>
>

Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the shellacked tape
looks:

http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html

I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars are!!!

Chas.

[* * Chas]

"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:fjrj2k$jut$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iss0m311opa3oo7rkvcicu5mu71eg2he0v@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
> > <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
> >
> > Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.
>
> Yes, been reading about the dilutions, mixtures and formulas from
> such craftsman... it's actually quite interesting.
> The white cloth tape turns color when shellacked.
> Back in the old days, some cyclist even had their signature
shellacking's.
> Sounds funny today, a "signature shellacking", but these cyclist were
> quite serious.
> Think I'm going to try it, something new... or old.
> It's going on a 1968 Cinelli Pista "user bike"
> Now if I could only find a set of Clement Criterium Seta's.
> -tom
>


As some have mentioned Velox makes 2 kinds on HB tape, Tressostar the
"premium" tape and Tressorex the standard quality tape.

Tressostar is the most durable but it's hard to get it to conform well
especially around the brake levers. It's also much coarser feeling.

Tressorex is softer, thinner and more pliable. It doesn't seem to be as
durable as older cotton HB tape. They both seem to be better than Cat's
Eye which is now being made in the PRC - China.

I can't stand the dry feel of cork and most of the foam based HB tapes.

I've been trying some fi'zi:k (Fizik - non affected spelling) Microtex
tape on several bikes. This is their standard tape with perforated holes
like leather steering wheel covers not the gel style. I like the soft
smooth feel. I'll have to ride it a while longer to see how durable it's
going to be.

Chas.

[Kerry Montgomery]

"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:fjrj2k$jut$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:iss0m311opa3oo7rkvcicu5mu71eg2he0v@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
>> <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
>>
>> Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.
>
> Yes, been reading about the dilutions, mixtures and formulas from
> such craftsman... it's actually quite interesting.
> The white cloth tape turns color when shellacked.
> Back in the old days, some cyclist even had their signature shellacking's.
> Sounds funny today, a "signature shellacking", but these cyclist were
> quite serious.
> Think I'm going to try it, something new... or old.
> It's going on a 1968 Cinelli Pista "user bike"
> Now if I could only find a set of Clement Criterium Seta's.

Tom,
Well, I don't have any Clement Criterium Seta's, but I do have a pair of NOS
(emphasis on the O) Clement Criterium Seta Extras.
Kerry

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 14, 12:42 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>
> news:35bfa590-b36d-47e4-bd20-a72c407979f9@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 12, 12:28 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > > > Anyone still use it?
> > > > I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > > there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > > over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> > > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> > > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> > > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
> wrap.
>
> > > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth
>
> tape:http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
>
>
> > Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
> > 1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!
>
> I noticed that too. The upper end Peugeots were usually assembled pretty
> well. this may have been a reject frame, that's why it's in good shape???
>
>

Or perhaps it's a "fake", a lower end frame re-painted/decaled and
built up to look the part? Perhaps Andrew Muzi can confirm or dispel
this idea from the available pics?

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 14, 12:47 am, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:fjrj2k$jut$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "still just me" <wheeledBobNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:iss0m311opa3oo7rkvcicu5mu71eg2he0v@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
> > > <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> > >>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
>
> > > Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.
>
> > Yes, been reading about the dilutions, mixtures and formulas from
> > such craftsman... it's actually quite interesting.
> > The white cloth tape turns color when shellacked.
> > Back in the old days, some cyclist even had their signature
> shellacking's.
> > Sounds funny today, a "signature shellacking", but these cyclist were
> > quite serious.
> > Think I'm going to try it, something new... or old.
> > It's going on a 1968 Cinelli Pista "user bike"
> > Now if I could only find a set of Clement Criterium Seta's.
> > -tom
>
> Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the shellacked tape
> looks:
>
> http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
>
> I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars are!!!
>
>

Coming soon: rod-actuated FDs make a comeback!

[Tom Nakashima]

"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote in message
news:qb6dnciPi5Azu__anZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:fjrj2k$jut$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>>
>> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iss0m311opa3oo7rkvcicu5mu71eg2he0v@4ax.com...
>> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:12 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
>> > <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Interesting, I didn't know you could mix your own from dry flakes.
>> >
>> > Most dedicated woodworkers do it that way as a rule.
>>
>> Yes, been reading about the dilutions, mixtures and formulas from
>> such craftsman... it's actually quite interesting.
>> The white cloth tape turns color when shellacked.
>> Back in the old days, some cyclist even had their signature
> shellacking's.
>> Sounds funny today, a "signature shellacking", but these cyclist were
>> quite serious.
>> Think I'm going to try it, something new... or old.
>> It's going on a 1968 Cinelli Pista "user bike"
>> Now if I could only find a set of Clement Criterium Seta's.
>> -tom
>>
>>
>
> Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the shellacked tape
> looks:
>
> http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
>
> I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars are!!!
>
> Chas.

Thanx Chas,
but already saw that site, as well as others.
Here's one Rivendell has done with the different colored cloth tapes
with and without Shellac:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/22?page=2#product=16-114

LOL, I can see there are not a whole lot of fans of sew-ups here.
I plan to use them on the velodrome.
-tom

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 13, 11:02 pm, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:

> I can't stand the dry feel of cork and most of the foam based HB tapes.
>
> I've been trying some fi'zi:k (Fizik - non affected spelling) Microtex
> tape on several bikes. This is their standard tape with perforated holes
> like leather steering wheel covers not the gel style. I like the soft
> smooth feel. I'll have to ride it a while longer to see how durable it's
> going to be.
>

I tried the Fizik stuff and took it off after about 100 miles. It just
felt wrong. Like the cheap vinyl padded tape of the '80s, by Pelten or
Vetta. I had the silver color - does that have a different texture
than the others?

You might want to check out "Eleganza" tape, marketed by Stella
Azzura, Bike Ribbon, and others. It's the two-tone stitched and
perforated stuff. The non-perforated half has a tacky rubber surface.
Very grippy, and the perforation keeps it from getting clammy. It's
also extremely durable. I like this stuff alot.

[A Muzi]

>>>> Tom Nakashima wrote:
>>>>> Anyone still use it?
>>>>> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
>>>>> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
>>>>> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>>>> Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>>>> Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
>>>> adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
>>>> great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>>>> p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
>>>> cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
>> wrap.

>>> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
>>>> Peugeot here with fresh white clothtape:
>>>>http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/

>> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote
>>> Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
>>> 1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!

> "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>> I noticed that too. The upper end Peugeots were usually assembled pretty
>> well. this may have been a reject frame, that's why it's in good shape???

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Or perhaps it's a "fake", a lower end frame re-painted/decaled and
> built up to look the part? Perhaps Andrew Muzi can confirm or dispel
> this idea from the available pics?

It's real. Check the rear ends and crown.

Braze lapses are not at all unusual for the era in that style bike. They
don't seem to fall apart to any greater degree than 'famous handmade'
brands so you might consider that lug gap a foible rather than a defect.

At least they don't show file marks! It's unclear whether Peugeot owned
any files.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[* * Chas]

"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:fju5ov$fts$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
<snip>
> > Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the shellacked
tape
> > looks:
> >
> > http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
> >
> > I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars are!!!
> >
> > Chas.
>
> Thanx Chas,
> but already saw that site, as well as others.
> Here's one Rivendell has done with the different colored cloth tapes
> with and without Shellac:
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/22?page=2#product=16-114
>
> LOL, I can see there are not a whole lot of fans of sew-ups here.
> I plan to use them on the velodrome.
> -tom
>
>

I got to ride on the Heyler briefly in 1980. It was almost dark and the
racing was finished. A friend let me take my Colnago road bike out on the
track for a couple of laps to get the feel of it.

Chas.

[* * Chas]

"Hank Wirtz" <hank@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
news:cbc49490-075b-462a-a35c-9ff364ff0199@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 11:02 pm, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>
> > I can't stand the dry feel of cork and most of the foam based HB
tapes.
> >
> > I've been trying some fi'zi:k (Fizik - non affected spelling) Microtex
> > tape on several bikes. This is their standard tape with perforated
holes
> > like leather steering wheel covers not the gel style. I like the soft
> > smooth feel. I'll have to ride it a while longer to see how durable
it's
> > going to be.
> >
>
> I tried the Fizik stuff and took it off after about 100 miles. It just
> felt wrong. Like the cheap vinyl padded tape of the '80s, by Pelten or
> Vetta. I had the silver color - does that have a different texture
> than the others?
>
> You might want to check out "Eleganza" tape, marketed by Stella
> Azzura, Bike Ribbon, and others. It's the two-tone stitched and
> perforated stuff. The non-perforated half has a tacky rubber surface.
> Very grippy, and the perforation keeps it from getting clammy. It's
> also extremely durable. I like this stuff alot.

I haven't put many miles on the Fizik tape yet. I got a couple of boxes
cheap so I'm trying it to see how durable it's going to be. I ride with
cycling gloves and I put a piece of high density foam inside in the palm
area. The Fizik tape does feel a little squishy.

Chas.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Dec 14, 11:59 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>> Tom Nakashima wrote:
> >>>>> Anyone still use it?
> >>>>> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> >>>>> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> >>>>> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> >>>> Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
> >>>> Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> >>>> adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> >>>> great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
> >>>> p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> >>>> cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
> >> wrap.
> >>> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>> Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> >>>> Peugeot here with fresh white clothtape:
> >>>>http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
> >> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote
> >>> Just don't look too closely at the lower head lug (4th pic down on
> >>> 1975 Peugeot). Legendary European Craftsmanship - those were the days!
> > "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> >> I noticed that too. The upper end Peugeots were usually assembled pretty
> >> well. this may have been a reject frame, that's why it's in good shape???
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > Or perhaps it's a "fake", a lower end frame re-painted/decaled and
> > built up to look the part? Perhaps Andrew Muzi can confirm or dispel
> > this idea from the available pics?
>
> It's real. Check the rear ends and crown.

Yes, the rear ends (Simplex dropouts) made me think it was "real".
OTOH, the fork could be from another bike.

>
> Braze lapses are not at all unusual for the era in that style bike. They
> don't seem to fall apart to any greater degree than 'famous handmade'
> brands so you might consider that lug gap a foible rather than a defect.

Kinda belies the idea of quality craftsmanship, eh?

>
> At least they don't show file marks! It's unclear whether Peugeot owned
> any files.

Why waste time filing? Paint it and ship it!

[still just me]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:59:13 -0600, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:

>At least they don't show file marks! It's unclear whether Peugeot owned
>any files.

Funniest thing I've seen posted in a long time... and a valid
question.

[Tom Nakashima]

"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote in message
news:6_SdnUt6YvirWv_anZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:fju5ov$fts$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>>
> <snip>
>> > Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the shellacked
> tape
>> > looks:
>> >
>> > http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
>> >
>> > I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars are!!!
>> >
>> > Chas.
>>
>> Thanx Chas,
>> but already saw that site, as well as others.
>> Here's one Rivendell has done with the different colored cloth tapes
>> with and without Shellac:
>> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/22?page=2#product=16-114
>>
>> LOL, I can see there are not a whole lot of fans of sew-ups here.
>> I plan to use them on the velodrome.
>> -tom
>>
>>
>
> I got to ride on the Heyler briefly in 1980. It was almost dark and the
> racing was finished. A friend let me take my Colnago road bike out on the
> track for a couple of laps to get the feel of it.
> Chas.

So what did you think of the banked track?
Actually it's Helyer,
but yes, sometimes they let road bikes on...the track riders usually are
off the velodrome.
It's a lot of fun.
-tom

[* * Chas]

"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:fjuhos$14q$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
> "* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote in message
> news:6_SdnUt6YvirWv_anZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> > "Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> > news:fju5ov$fts$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> >>
> > <snip>
> >> > Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the
shellacked
> > tape
> >> > looks:
> >> >
> >> > http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
> >> >
> >> > I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars
are!!!
> >> >
> >> > Chas.
> >>
> >> Thanx Chas,
> >> but already saw that site, as well as others.
> >> Here's one Rivendell has done with the different colored cloth tapes
> >> with and without Shellac:
> >> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/22?page=2#product=16-114
> >>
> >> LOL, I can see there are not a whole lot of fans of sew-ups here.
> >> I plan to use them on the velodrome.
> >> -tom
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I got to ride on the Heyler briefly in 1980. It was almost dark and
the
> > racing was finished. A friend let me take my Colnago road bike out on
the
> > track for a couple of laps to get the feel of it.
> > Chas.
>
> So what did you think of the banked track?
> Actually it's Helyer,
> but yes, sometimes they let road bikes on...the track riders usually are
> off the velodrome.
> It's a lot of fun.
> -tom
>

My typo - Helyer...

The freewheel took something away from diving down off the bank. Shortly
afterward I moved up to Bizerkley for vocational reasons and never went
back to try it with a fixed gear bike.

I would have liked to try sprint racing....

Chas.

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 14, 10:24 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote in messagenews:6_SdnUt6YvirWv_anZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> >news:fju5ov$fts$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
> > <snip>
> >> > Here's detailed instructions with some pictures of how the shellacked
> > tape
> >> > looks:
>
> >> >http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2006/03/shellac-basics_22.html
>
> >> > I don't want to hear any more about how anachronistic tubulars are!!!
>
> >> > Chas.
>
> >> Thanx Chas,
> >> but already saw that site, as well as others.
> >> Here's one Rivendell has done with the different colored cloth tapes
> >> with and without Shellac:
> >>http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/22?page=2#product=16-114
>
> >> LOL, I can see there are not a whole lot of fans of sew-ups here.
> >> I plan to use them on the velodrome.
> >> -tom
>
> > I got to ride on the Heyler briefly in 1980. It was almost dark and the
> > racing was finished. A friend let me take my Colnago road bike out on the
> > track for a couple of laps to get the feel of it.
> > Chas.
>
> So what did you think of the banked track?
> Actually it's Helyer,
> but yes, sometimes they let road bikes on...the track riders usually are
> off the velodrome.
> It's a lot of fun.
> -tom- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Marymoor Velodrome in Redmond ('burb of Seattle) is open to the
public. It's only a mile from work, and about a half-mile off my
commute route, so I've taken laps on my mountain bike and on a
fendered commuter. I kept meaning to try my uber-light Guerciotti on
it this summer, but never got around to it. I never could get going
fast enough on those other bikes to handle the bank of the track.

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 15, 5:46 am, richard <rmccl...@insight.bb.com> wrote:
> Team Peugeot??? Those were built with 531 RED, not green (PY-10 vs PX-10)?
>
>
>
> A Muzi wrote:
> > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> >> Anyone still use it?
> >> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> >> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> >> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you wrap.
>
> > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
> >http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> > mmmm... Gold Spidel...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They look like 1976 Peugeot decals, too, not '75. And the parts on my
'75 PX-10 weren't labeled Spidel. Its Mafac Competition brakes had a
stamped logo, not a sticker, which came later. I didn't go through a
translation of the page too closely, but I'm wondering of the frame
and build kit were sourced separately.

[* * Chas]

"Hank Wirtz" <hank@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
news:df60e240-dbe5-4194-845d-7acb8872e786@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 5:46 am, richard <rmccl...@insight.bb.com> wrote:
> > Team Peugeot??? Those were built with 531 RED, not green (PY-10 vs
PX-10)?
> >
> >
> >
> > A Muzi wrote:
> > > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > >> Anyone still use it?
> > >> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > >> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > >> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> >
> > > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
> >
> > > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
> >
> > > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
wrap.
> >
> > > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
> > >http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
> >
> > > mmmm... Gold Spidel...- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> They look like 1976 Peugeot decals, too, not '75. And the parts on my
> '75 PX-10 weren't labeled Spidel. Its Mafac Competition brakes had a
> stamped logo, not a sticker, which came later. I didn't go through a
> translation of the page too closely, but I'm wondering of the frame
> and build kit were sourced separately.

For some of the bikes shown on that website there's a before picture
showing all of the components unassembled.

I wouldn't judge the components as being incorrect especially on a French
bike from that time period. I have a number of classic French bikes from
the Spidel era. Some of the components are marked Spidel and some are
trademarked with Simplex, Stronglight, Mafac, etc..

Also bikes sold in France or other locals frequently have different
components than those imported into the US.

There is also a "Liste complete" link that has an additional 2 pages of
bikes.

Chas.

[* * Chas]

"Hank Wirtz" <hank@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
news:df60e240-dbe5-4194-845d-7acb8872e786@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 5:46 am, richard <rmccl...@insight.bb.com> wrote:
> > Team Peugeot??? Those were built with 531 RED, not green (PY-10 vs
PX-10)?
> >
> >
> >
> > A Muzi wrote:
> > > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > >> Anyone still use it?
> > >> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > >> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > >> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
> >
> > > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
> >
> > > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
> >
> > > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
wrap.
> >
> > > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
> > >http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
> >
> > > mmmm... Gold Spidel...- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> They look like 1976 Peugeot decals, too, not '75. And the parts on my
> '75 PX-10 weren't labeled Spidel. Its Mafac Competition brakes had a
> stamped logo, not a sticker, which came later. I didn't go through a
> translation of the page too closely, but I'm wondering of the frame
> and build kit were sourced separately.

Hank,

Check this site if you haven't already:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/bicycles/Peugeot/PX10_history.htm

Chas.

[still just me]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:01:58 -0800, "* * Chas"
<verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:

>
>For some of the bikes shown on that website there's a before picture
>showing all of the components unassembled.
>
>I wouldn't judge the components as being incorrect especially on a French
>bike from that time period. I have a number of classic French bikes from
>the Spidel era. Some of the components are marked Spidel and some are
>trademarked with Simplex, Stronglight, Mafac, etc..

Was the Spidel name being used in ' 75/6? I thought it came along
around '77 or '78.

[* * Chas]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:07p8m3d3lavn2gnr1h3egbq0s6vmht4veq@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:01:58 -0800, "* * Chas"
> <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >For some of the bikes shown on that website there's a before picture
> >showing all of the components unassembled.
> >
> >I wouldn't judge the components as being incorrect especially on a
French
> >bike from that time period. I have a number of classic French bikes
from
> >the Spidel era. Some of the components are marked Spidel and some are
> >trademarked with Simplex, Stronglight, Mafac, etc..
>
> Was the Spidel name being used in ' 75/6? I thought it came along
> around '77 or '78.

Spidel and FREXA were marketing combines which attempted to create pseudo
grupos to try and complete with Campagnolo, Shimano and later Suntour.

Spidel was an association of Mafac, Maillard, Simplex and Stronglight.

FREXA consisted of Huret, Maillard, Peyrard, Rigida, Poutrait-Morin and
Jeunehomme.

Sedis, Vitus and Nervex where somewhat involved also.

All of the companies remained independent and there was little if any
cooperation between them.

The French Tricolor logo was associated with FREXA and started appearing
in the early 1970s. I'm not sure when Spidel first appeared.

Here's some links for PX10 bikes:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Peugeot_home.htm

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/bicycles/Peugeot/PX10_history.htm

Chas.

[Donald Gillies]

"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> writes:

>Spidel and FREXA were marketing combines which attempted to create pseudo
>grupos to try and complete with Campagnolo, Shimano and later Suntour.

The problem with Spidel and FREXA was that you had to have something
"going for" your grouppo or the grouppo thing wouldn't work.
Campagnolo had reliability, spare parts, and good looks. Suntour had
the greatest shifting. Shimano later beat suntour in the shifting game.

French stuff wasn't especially beautiful, wasn't especially reliable,
and didn't exactly shift too well (until the SLJ 6600 came along, by
which time Simplex was practically toast.) Plus, when buying a french
part, there was always a real possibility of getting something with
.... french threads!

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

[Hank Wirtz]

On Dec 15, 4:54 pm, "* * Chas" <verktygj...@aol.spamski.com> wrote:
> "Hank Wirtz" <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:df60e240-dbe5-4194-845d-7acb8872e786@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 15, 5:46 am, richard <rmccl...@insight.bb.com> wrote:
> > > Team Peugeot??? Those were built with 531 RED, not green (PY-10 vs
> PX-10)?
>
> > > A Muzi wrote:
> > > > Tom Nakashima wrote:
> > > >> Anyone still use it?
> > > >> I'm going to be taping a handlebar with it, I can't remember if
> > > >> there's a dressing to put over? Trying to recall if you shellac
> > > >> over the cloth or leave it dry? Or other dressings?
>
> > > > Green is a discontinued color at Velox.
>
> > > > Cloth wraps from bottom to top, either simply ending (it's
> > > > adhesive-backed) or with a trim tape. Natural cotton is considered a
> > > > great handlebar medium itself without 'gilded lily' coatings.
>
> > > > p.s. Older Velox weave was easier to wrap without wrinkles. Today's
> > > > cotton tape is tough to get wrapped evenly - pull laterally as you
> wrap.
>
> > > > Try not to drool all over your keyboard when viewing the 1975 Team
> > > > Peugeot here with fresh white cloth tape:
> > > >http://velosvintage.ultim-blog.com/
>
> > > > mmmm... Gold Spidel...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > They look like 1976 Peugeot decals, too, not '75. And the parts on my
> > '75 PX-10 weren't labeled Spidel. Its Mafac Competition brakes had a
> > stamped logo, not a sticker, which came later. I didn't go through a
> > translation of the page too closely, but I'm wondering of the frame
> > and build kit were sourced separately.
>
> Hank,
>
> Check this site if you haven't already:
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/bicycles/Peugeot/PX10_history...
>
> Chas.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh, trust me, I've gone over that with a fine-tooth comb. A key
resource in my PX-10 education.

[still just me]

On 17 Dec 2007 01:51:13 -0800, gillies@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
wrote:

>French stuff wasn't especially beautiful, wasn't especially reliable,
>and didn't exactly shift too well (until the SLJ 6600 came along, by
>which time Simplex was practically toast.) Plus, when buying a french
>part, there was always a real possibility of getting something with
>... french threads!

Stupid Americans. I spit in your general direction!

[* * Chas]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ijiem390dsh9k4mrl48nnurd71uljrfpd1@4ax.com...
> On 17 Dec 2007 01:51:13 -0800, gillies@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
> wrote:
>
> >French stuff wasn't especially beautiful, wasn't especially reliable,
> >and didn't exactly shift too well (until the SLJ 6600 came along, by
> >which time Simplex was practically toast.) Plus, when buying a french
> >part, there was always a real possibility of getting something with
> >... french threads!
>
> Stupid Americans. I spit in your general direction!

"You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you
sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King,"
you and all your silly English K-nig-hts."

Fractional portions of a dead Brit king's foot....

We should have listened to Thomas Jefferson!

Chas.

[Tom Nakashima]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ijiem390dsh9k4mrl48nnurd71uljrfpd1@4ax.com...
> On 17 Dec 2007 01:51:13 -0800, gillies@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
> wrote:
>
>>French stuff wasn't especially beautiful, wasn't especially reliable,
>>and didn't exactly shift too well (until the SLJ 6600 came along, by
>>which time Simplex was practically toast.) Plus, when buying a french
>>part, there was always a real possibility of getting something with
>>... french threads!
>
> Stupid Americans. I spit in your general direction!

I once saw a guy try that against the wind.
-tom

[Tom Sherman]

* * Chas wrote:
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ijiem390dsh9k4mrl48nnurd71uljrfpd1@4ax.com...
>> On 17 Dec 2007 01:51:13 -0800, gillies@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> French stuff wasn't especially beautiful, wasn't especially reliable,
>>> and didn't exactly shift too well (until the SLJ 6600 came along, by
>>> which time Simplex was practically toast.) Plus, when buying a french
>>> part, there was always a real possibility of getting something with
>>> ... french threads!
>> Stupid Americans. I spit in your general direction!
>
> "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you
> sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King,"
> you and all your silly English K-nig-hts."...

"So, you think you could out-clever us French folk with your silly
knees-bent running about advancing behavior?! I wave my private parts at
your aunties, you cheesy lot of second hand electric donkey-bottom biters."

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter