Winter boots & Power Grip pedal straps [Archive]

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:27 PM

On Dec 17, 12:49 pm, JBIthaca <jbon...@ithaca.edu> wrote:
> I am looking to use my mountain bike for commuting and some on/off
> road rides of 2-3 hours this winter.
>
> Do any of you use winter boots or winter sneakers and Power Grip
> straps? How have they worked out? Pluses or minuses?
>
> http://www.ekosport.com/pg_benefits.shtml
>
> If so, what brand & model of boots? I am looking for a boot that would
> be good to about 10-15 degrees that is somewhat waterproof and warm.
> I am not looking at Sorel Caribous or similar as they are too heavy.
>
> Thanks for any and all replies.

I wore Blundstone boots for several Chicago winters and found them to
be nearly perfect as they are seamless and slip in and out of clips
effortlessly. I'm sure they'd work fine with Pwr Grips as well. They
aren't insulated, but run very wide, so you can run thick socks when
it's bitter, and thin socks with a thicker insole when it's cooler.
Waterproof and Beatle boot-esque as well.

http://www.blundstoneusa.com/

Careful with the sizing. The half sizes are AFAIK, just wider. I wear
an 11.5 American sized boot, but a size 10 for boots made in Oz. Got
my third pair in a decade on my dogs right now. After a break in, they
feel like house slippers.

David L. Johnson

01-03-1970, 10:27 PM

Peter Cole

01-03-1970, 10:27 PM

futrino

01-03-1970, 10:27 PM

JBIthaca wrote:
> I am looking to use my mountain bike for commuting and some on/off
> road rides of 2-3 hours this winter.
>
> Do any of you use winter boots or winter sneakers and Power Grip
> straps? How have they worked out? Pluses or minuses?
>
> http://www.ekosport.com/pg_benefits.shtml
>
> If so, what brand & model of boots? I am looking for a boot that would
> be good to about 10-15 degrees that is somewhat waterproof and warm.
> I am not looking at Sorel Caribous or similar as they are too heavy.
>
> Thanks for any and all replies.

I commute in Iowa with the power grips. 3.6 miles each way. I just
use a leather dress shoe, currently "hush puppies" and sometimes the
birkenstock london clog with back enclosed. I find the leather seamless
shoes do just fine. no air in. If it is really cold, then the socks
get thicker, currently just using bike socks, It has been around 15F
on cold days, today it was 30 and I overheated. Only t-shirt, pullover
med weight, and a windstopper fleece jacket. Under 10F and I don't
like to ride.

The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look doubtful
for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still not very
big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot on the
larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an intersection, I am
still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach down and pull the
strap over more.

The whole bike is looking terrible from all the sand/salt from the last
ice storm.

When the straps break, I will probably get some more, I do believe they
make a larger size than I have, and I will look for those.

Scott Gordo

01-03-1970, 10:32 PM

On Dec 18, 10:29 am, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
> JBIthaca wrote:
> > I am looking to use my mountain bike for commuting and some on/off
> > road rides of 2-3 hours this winter.
>
> > Do any of you use winter boots or winter sneakers and Power Grip
> > straps? How have they worked out? Pluses or minuses?
>
> >http://www.ekosport.com/pg_benefits.shtml
>
> > If so, what brand & model of boots? I am looking for a boot that would
> > be good to about 10-15 degrees that is somewhat waterproof and warm.
> > I am not looking at Sorel Caribous or similar as they are too heavy.
>
> > Thanks for any and all replies.
>
> The classic solution: LL Bean "snow sneakers":http://tinyurl.com/3d99hq
>
> I've used Power Grips with sneakers, and they're OK. I never commuted in
> them, but used them off-road for a while before I went clipless. I
> recall riding one day in single digits with just plain sneakers (& heavy
> socks) and I was OK (to my surprise).

You know, it never occurred to me before, but sneakers might be just
the ticket in cold weater since they flex (unlike ridgid cycling
shoes) and thereby circulate blood. Instead of having to curl and
release your toes within the confines of your shoes....

Hmmm....

/s

Zoot Katz

01-03-1970, 10:33 PM

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:41:23 -0600, futrino <futon@qwest.net> wrote:

>The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look doubtful
>for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still not very
>big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot on the
>larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an intersection, I am
>still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach down and pull the
>strap over more.
>
>The whole bike is looking terrible from all the sand/salt from the last
>ice storm.
>
>When the straps break, I will probably get some more, I do believe they
>make a larger size than I have, and I will look for those.

PowerGrip makes a longer strap specifically for boots. My regular
straps went through two years of constant use before going over to
clipless pedals.

I still use the PowerGrips regularly on the Xtracycle. I've clipless
pedals on three bikes so there's consistent pedal release relfex when
switching bikes.

They've stood a lot of use over seven years but are now starting to
get a bit floppy. They are tattered in spots but I don't fear their
failing any time soon. I sometimes have to wiggle in if I'm wearing
lugged soles but I like the resulting connection. These PowerGrips
have been fitted to three different pairs of pedals.

The straps have 2" of tail sticking out the clamp the way they're
currently adjusted for my size 42 and 43 street shoes. Even my size
ten, lace-to-the-toe, smooth soled, iron-workers boots leave another
quarter inch of strap adjustment. . . . on this set of pedals They've
been on other pedals and didn't fit the boots.

Try creasing the straps the other way and see if that saves reaching
down to pull on over your shoes.

Tim McNamara

01-03-1970, 10:33 PM

In article <47682263.5000505@qwest.net>, futrino <futon@qwest.net>
wrote:

> The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> down and pull the strap over more.

Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
sole?

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:33 PM

On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> wrote:
>
> > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> sole?

IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
straps.

I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).

futrino

01-03-1970, 10:33 PM

Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article <47682263.5000505@qwest.net>, futrino <futon@qwest.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
>>doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
>>not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
>>on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
>>intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
>>down and pull the strap over more.
>
>
>
> Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> sole?

http://www.hushpuppies.com/en-US/Product/NVSZZZZ/dress/men/17537/Mens/Brown/H10707/Strategy.aspx

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3cqh2h

just regular shoes. these straps are also on powergrip brand pedals,
on the last hole. They fit, but it really takes some manuvering.
The birks work great, except for no tread for traction in the snow.

I do raise my seat about an inch when riding the puppies.

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:34 PM

On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > sole?
>
> IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> straps.
>
> I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).

Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
uncle.

Luke

01-03-1970, 10:34 PM

In article
<56ac4f4c-8cf7-44e8-96a6-74078a8b343d@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Scott Gordo <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 18, 10:29 am, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > JBIthaca wrote:
> > > I am looking to use my mountain bike for commuting and some on/off
> > > road rides of 2-3 hours this winter.
> >
> > > Do any of you use winter boots or winter sneakers and Power Grip
> > > straps? How have they worked out? Pluses or minuses?
> >
> > >http://www.ekosport.com/pg_benefits.shtml
> >
> > > If so, what brand & model of boots? I am looking for a boot that would
> > > be good to about 10-15 degrees that is somewhat waterproof and warm.
> > > I am not looking at Sorel Caribous or similar as they are too heavy.
> >
> > > Thanks for any and all replies.
> >
> > The classic solution: LL Bean "snow sneakers":http://tinyurl.com/3d99hq
> >
> > I've used Power Grips with sneakers, and they're OK. I never commuted in
> > them, but used them off-road for a while before I went clipless. I
> > recall riding one day in single digits with just plain sneakers (& heavy
> > socks) and I was OK (to my surprise).
>
> You know, it never occurred to me before, but sneakers might be just
> the ticket in cold weater since they flex (unlike ridgid cycling
> shoes) and thereby circulate blood. Instead of having to curl and
> release your toes within the confines of your shoes....
>
> Hmmm....
>
> /s

It amazes me how much more insulation is required of a (stiff sole)
cold weather cycling boot over pedestrian winter footwear in order to
keep the tootsie's toasty! Run of the mill cotton tube socks that would
normally suffice for sub zero strolling must be replaced with several
woolen ones when winter cycling.

I attribute this to two reasons, both of which diminish circulation: as
you point out, the constraint of foot flex and, I suspect, the decrease
in force constantly loading then unloading the foot while pedalling
(compared with walking).

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:34 PM

On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > sole?
>
> > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > straps.
>
> > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> uncle.

But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
price of less than $20 the last time I looked.

Zoot Katz

01-03-1970, 10:34 PM

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:53:36 -0800 (PST), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
>> > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
>> > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
>> > sole?
>>
>> IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
>> standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
>> model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
>> straps.
>>
>> I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
>> using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
>> strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
>Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
>similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
>flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
>uncle.

The material most resembles light narrow conveyor belt or wide thin
fan belting. It's flat, flexible but doesn't stretch.

I've contemplated using pieces cut from bicycle tires and maybe
compensating that bit of stretch with their adjustment.

Making my bike belts from used tires leaves enough scrap of
sufficient length for several future experiments. A wide Kevlar
belted slick might be my first choice provided it wasn't too thick.
Straps cut from radial-ply tires lay flatter than those cut from most
bias-ply tires. There is a lot of variation in the weaves of the
casings between different qualities and brands of tire. If a thin
supple tire has enough width left after cutting out the molded
shoulder profile it could probably be made to work

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:35 PM

On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > sole?
>
> > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > straps.
>
> > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > uncle.
>
> But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> price of less than $20 the last time I looked.

Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:35 PM

On Dec 18, 8:46 pm, Zoot Katz <zootk...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:53:36 -0800 (PST), landotter
>
>
>
> <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> >> > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> >> > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> >> > sole?
>
> >> IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> >> standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> >> model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> >> straps.
>
> >> I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> >> using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> >> strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> >Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> >similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> >flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> >uncle.
>
> The material most resembles light narrow conveyor belt or wide thin
> fan belting. It's flat, flexible but doesn't stretch.
>
> I've contemplated using pieces cut from bicycle tires and maybe
> compensating that bit of stretch with their adjustment.
>
> Making my bike belts from used tires leaves enough scrap of
> sufficient length for several future experiments. A wide Kevlar
> belted slick might be my first choice provided it wasn't too thick.
> Straps cut from radial-ply tires lay flatter than those cut from most
> bias-ply tires. There is a lot of variation in the weaves of the
> casings between different qualities and brands of tire. If a thin
> supple tire has enough width left after cutting out the molded
> shoulder profile it could probably be made to work

I do have a supply of tires from the LBS's detritus pile and a pair of
nekkid MKS Sylvans on the city bike. I'll see if I get inspired this
week.

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:35 PM

On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > sole?
>
> > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > straps.
>
> > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > uncle.
>
> > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...

I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
DIYing the mounting hardware, too?

BTW, it does occur to me that a pair of leather (laminated with a
stiffner layer) Powergrips might be pretty appealing on a retro-bike.

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:36 PM

On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > uncle.
>
> > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> DIYing the mounting hardware, too?

Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
sheet stock in a minute or three.
>
> BTW, it does occur to me that a pair of leather (laminated with a
> stiffner layer) Powergrips might be pretty appealing on a retro-bike.

Sure would. I've got some worn out engineer boots that might want to
donate their cowhide!

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:37 PM

On Dec 19, 12:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > > uncle.
>
> > > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> > I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> > Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> > yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> > DIYing the mounting hardware, too?
>
> Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
> allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
> connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
> sheet stock in a minute or three.
>

Well, I bolted a length of tire up to the sides of the MKS--works just
like the Powergrip--however, the tire I used is much too stretchy to
be of real use. I might try some boot leather later.

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:37 PM

On Dec 19, 12:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > > uncle.
>
> > > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> > I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> > Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> > yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> > DIYing the mounting hardware, too?
>
> Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
> allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
> connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
> sheet stock in a minute or three.

Are you familiar with how the Powergrip hardware works? The newer/
current version is pretty clever yet simple. An improvement over the
original design (as still used in the "extra large" version), IMO.
>
>
>
> > BTW, it does occur to me that a pair of leather (laminated with a
> > stiffner layer) Powergrips might be pretty appealing on a retro-bike.
>
> Sure would. I've got some worn out engineer boots that might want to
> donate their cowhide!

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

On Dec 19, 4:32 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 12:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > > > uncle.
>
> > > > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > > > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > > > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > > > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > > > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > > > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > > > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> > > I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> > > Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> > > yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> > > DIYing the mounting hardware, too?
>
> > Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
> > allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
> > connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
> > sheet stock in a minute or three.
>
> Are you familiar with how the Powergrip hardware works? The newer/
> current version is pretty clever yet simple. An improvement over the
> original design (as still used in the "extra large" version), IMO.
>
Sure, seen the pictures with that little outrigger fitting.

But as I can bolt to the outside of the Sylvans:
http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=6346&catID=196

It's not needed in my case.

Like I wrote before, the mock-up worked, but the tire was simply too
stretchy. Leather should be the ticket. If I actually needed securing,
I'd just get some clips and straps, which work fine for my low-profile
boots. :-P

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

On Dec 19, 4:44 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 4:32 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 19, 12:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > > > > uncle.
>
> > > > > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > > > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > > > > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > > > > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > > > > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > > > > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > > > > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > > > > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> > > > I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> > > > Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> > > > yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> > > > DIYing the mounting hardware, too?
>
> > > Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
> > > allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
> > > connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
> > > sheet stock in a minute or three.
>
> > Are you familiar with how the Powergrip hardware works? The newer/
> > current version is pretty clever yet simple. An improvement over the
> > original design (as still used in the "extra large" version), IMO.
>
> Sure, seen the pictures with that little outrigger fitting.
>
> But as I can bolt to the outside of the Sylvans:http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=6346&catID=196
>
> It's not needed in my case.
>
> Like I wrote before, the mock-up worked, but the tire was simply too
> stretchy. Leather should be the ticket. If I actually needed securing,
> I'd just get some clips and straps, which work fine for my low-profile
> boots. :-P

The Powergrip mounting hardware allows quick and easy adjustment for
different shoes/boots. I've found that very handy when I transition
from summer shoes to bulkier winter boots. Part of the goodness of the
Powergrip design is that, properly adjusted, it *does* secure you to
the pedal; better than clips and straps, IMO, unless you use cleated
shoes - and much easier to enter and exit in the bargain.

Peter Cole

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

landotter wrote:
> On Dec 19, 4:32 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:

>> Are you familiar with how the Powergrip hardware works? The newer/
>> current version is pretty clever yet simple. An improvement over the
>> original design (as still used in the "extra large" version), IMO.
>>
> Sure, seen the pictures with that little outrigger fitting.
>
> But as I can bolt to the outside of the Sylvans:
> http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=6346&catID=196
>
> It's not needed in my case.
>
> Like I wrote before, the mock-up worked, but the tire was simply too
> stretchy. Leather should be the ticket. If I actually needed securing,
> I'd just get some clips and straps, which work fine for my low-profile
> boots. :-P

I seem to recall someone making the straps from milk jugs, The claimed
advantage was it didn't flop.

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

On Dec 19, 5:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 4:44 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 4:32 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 19, 12:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > > > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > > > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > > > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > > > > > uncle.
>
> > > > > > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > > > > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > > > > > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > > > > > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > > > > > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > > > > > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > > > > > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > > > > > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> > > > > I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> > > > > Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> > > > > yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> > > > > DIYing the mounting hardware, too?
>
> > > > Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
> > > > allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
> > > > connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
> > > > sheet stock in a minute or three.
>
> > > Are you familiar with how the Powergrip hardware works? The newer/
> > > current version is pretty clever yet simple. An improvement over the
> > > original design (as still used in the "extra large" version), IMO.
>
> > Sure, seen the pictures with that little outrigger fitting.
>
> > But as I can bolt to the outside of the Sylvans:http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=6346&catID=196
>
> > It's not needed in my case.
>
> > Like I wrote before, the mock-up worked, but the tire was simply too
> > stretchy. Leather should be the ticket. If I actually needed securing,
> > I'd just get some clips and straps, which work fine for my low-profile
> > boots. :-P
>
> The Powergrip mounting hardware allows quick and easy adjustment for
> different shoes/boots. I've found that very handy when I transition
> from summer shoes to bulkier winter boots. Part of the goodness of the
> Powergrip design is that, properly adjusted, it *does* secure you to
> the pedal; better than clips and straps, IMO, unless you use cleated
> shoes - and much easier to enter and exit in the bargain.

The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
titsup five miles from the trailhead.

I've commuted for years with clips n' straps on your run of the mill
Wellgo mtb pedals. No problems. Just used the clip to keep from
sliding off the pedal in sketchy traffic. I've never tightened a toe
strap, I just set them so the shoe barely slides in. Works for me.
Blundstone boots fit a standard mtb clip like a a hand in a glove.
Now, after my main commuter was stolen, and I rode rubber block pedals
on my vintage bike for a year, I'm converted back to my Gothenburg
aesthetic--flat pedals all the way. However, I may go to a bear trap
type, as the Sylvans aren't the best grippers when your shoe soles are
cold and hard. I do love the way they look, so they may stay for that
reason alone. For 2-3 mile trips, aesthetics may take precedence over
practicality.

Zoot Katz

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:26:55 -0800 (PST), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com> wrote, in part:

>The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
>adjust them on the fly.

Nope. They're adjusted once for the shoe your wearing. They're tight
when your foot is in proper position. They get loose when you point
your toes inward.

>If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
>set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
>titsup five miles from the trailhead.

They're nice if you're just going around town too. They don't scuff
up your leather dress shoes.

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

On Dec 19, 7:26 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 5:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 19, 4:44 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 19, 4:32 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 19, 12:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 19, 6:04 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 9:00 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 8:41 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 7:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 5:21 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:10 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <47682263.5000...@qwest.net>, futrino <fu...@qwest.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The power straps made it through the last two winters, but look
> > > > > > > > > > > > doubtful for this year. They are on the largest setting, and still
> > > > > > > > > > > > not very big. I actually have to reach down and pull strap overfoot
> > > > > > > > > > > > on the larger shoes. (size us 9) If I take off from an
> > > > > > > > > > > > intersection, I am still able to get the toe leverage, until I reach
> > > > > > > > > > > > down and pull the strap over more.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Eh? I have a pair of PowerGrips on old Campy pedals and they
> > > > > > > > > > > accommodate my size 13s just fine. I'm having a hard time picturing
> > > > > > > > > > > size 9s being a squeeze. Are you wearing shoes with a really thick
> > > > > > > > > > > sole?
>
> > > > > > > > > > IIRC, The Powergrip mounting design changed over time, making the
> > > > > > > > > > standard size less able to accept large shoes. Hence the "extra large"
> > > > > > > > > > model, which is similar to the original design, albeit with longer
> > > > > > > > > > straps.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I've a pair of the newer design on a pair of MKS AR-8 pedals and
> > > > > > > > > > using size 10-10.5 shoes there is only about an additional 1/4" of
> > > > > > > > > > strap adjustment left (IOW, the strap is close to being maxed out).
>
> > > > > > > > > Seems it would be *very* easy to make some from scratch. Cordura or
> > > > > > > > > similar, some interfacing to build up stiffness and bond 3-4 layers, a
> > > > > > > > > flame to seal the edges, a few grommets and screws, and bob's your
> > > > > > > > > uncle.
>
> > > > > > > > But is it worth the candle? Standard size Powergrips had a street
> > > > > > > > price of less than $20 the last time I looked.
>
> > > > > > > Could be worth it. Might try with a pair of old Michelins I've got
> > > > > > > hanging here. My only grip with Powergrips is that they material looks
> > > > > > > like it should be on a 70s stationary bike. Gack. I do know the trick
> > > > > > > about turning them inside out to lose the logos--but tires would look
> > > > > > > cool and are free. Plus, gotta have crafty things to do while drinking
> > > > > > > beer! I can't wait to dig out my long missed bag of random fasteners...
>
> > > > > > I only use the Powergrips on my "mule"/errand/utility bike, so the
> > > > > > Powergrips fit right in with the whole "working bike" aesthetic. But,
> > > > > > yeah, used tires would be cool in some apps. Are you planning on
> > > > > > DIYing the mounting hardware, too?
>
> > > > > Don't think I'll need any as I got the MKS Sylvan touring pedals that
> > > > > allow you to bolt stuff to the sides. If I need to move the outer
> > > > > connection outboard a bit, it's nothing that couldn't be made from
> > > > > sheet stock in a minute or three.
>
> > > > Are you familiar with how the Powergrip hardware works? The newer/
> > > > current version is pretty clever yet simple. An improvement over the
> > > > original design (as still used in the "extra large" version), IMO.
>
> > > Sure, seen the pictures with that little outrigger fitting.
>
> > > But as I can bolt to the outside of the Sylvans:http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=6346&catID=196
>
> > > It's not needed in my case.
>
> > > Like I wrote before, the mock-up worked, but the tire was simply too
> > > stretchy. Leather should be the ticket. If I actually needed securing,
> > > I'd just get some clips and straps, which work fine for my low-profile
> > > boots. :-P
>
> > The Powergrip mounting hardware allows quick and easy adjustment for
> > different shoes/boots. I've found that very handy when I transition
> > from summer shoes to bulkier winter boots. Part of the goodness of the
> > Powergrip design is that, properly adjusted, it *does* secure you to
> > the pedal; better than clips and straps, IMO, unless you use cleated
> > shoes - and much easier to enter and exit in the bargain.
>
> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> adjust them on the fly.

Well, not exactly "on the fly", in the sense that a toestrap is, but
easy, nonetheless.

> If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> I've commuted for years with clips n' straps on your run of the mill
> Wellgo mtb pedals. No problems. Just used the clip to keep from
> sliding off the pedal in sketchy traffic. I've never tightened a toe
> strap, I just set them so the shoe barely slides in. Works for me.
> Blundstone boots fit a standard mtb clip like a a hand in a glove.
> Now, after my main commuter was stolen, and I rode rubber block pedals
> on my vintage bike for a year, I'm converted back to my Gothenburg
> aesthetic--flat pedals all the way. However, I may go to a bear trap
> type, as the Sylvans aren't the best grippers when your shoe soles are
> cold and hard. I do love the way they look, so they may stay for that
> reason alone. For 2-3 mile trips, aesthetics may take precedence over
> practicality.

Peter Cole

01-03-1970, 10:38 PM

landotter wrote:

> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> titsup five miles from the trailhead.

I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
way when I broke a rib.

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 10:41 PM

Peter Cole wrote:
> landotter wrote:
>
>> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
>> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
>> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
>> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
> they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
> way when I broke a rib.

The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
relatively loose.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:43 PM

On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote:
> > landotter wrote:
>
> >> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> >> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> >> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> >> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> > I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
> > they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
> > way when I broke a rib.
>
> The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
> relatively loose.

Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
and spoons as well, I take it?

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:44 PM

On Dec 20, 8:46*pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Peter Cole wrote:
> > > landotter wrote:
>
> > >> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> > >> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> > >> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> > >> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> > > I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
> > > they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
> > > way when I broke a rib.
>
> > The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
> > relatively loose.
>
> Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
> over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
> and spoons as well, I take it?

He's good with Vaseline, though.

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 10:44 PM

landotter wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>> landotter wrote:
>>>> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
>>>> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
>>>> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
>>>> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>>> I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
>>> they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
>>> way when I broke a rib.
>> The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
>> relatively loose.
>
> Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
> over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
> and spoons as well, I take it?
>
My question is why do they sell ATB's with clips and straps? That is
just asking for a no-speed fall with one foot trapped in a pedal.

Some new inventions are actually better. "Clipless" [1] pedals are one
of them.

[1] Which of course, involve clipping into a pedal.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Jay Beattie

01-03-1970, 10:44 PM

On Dec 20, 6:46*pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Peter Cole wrote:
> > > landotter wrote:
>
> > >> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> > >> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> > >> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> > >> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> > > I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
> > > they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
> > > way when I broke a rib.
>
> > The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
> > relatively loose.
>
> Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
> over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
> and spoons as well, I take it?

Well, with deep lug sole MTB shoes and typically low speed
maneuvering, it is conceivable that even loose toe clips could trip
you up trail riding. I don't see the danger on the road. I have seen
more people struggle to get out of clipless than toe clips, but in
some of those cases it was due to early design flaws (like the first
generation budget Time death pedals). -- Jay Beattie.

landotter

01-03-1970, 10:44 PM

On Dec 20, 8:50 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:46 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Peter Cole wrote:
> > > > landotter wrote:
>
> > > >> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> > > >> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> > > >> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> > > >> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> > > > I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
> > > > they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
> > > > way when I broke a rib.
>
> > > The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
> > > relatively loose.
>
> > Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
> > over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
> > and spoons as well, I take it?
>
> He's good with Vaseline, though.

You need work with your game, man!

Process Tom of Finland, Leatherman tool, 6ft, and the name Ulf--then
you can make a proper squidgy insult!! (or a hell of a dance party!)

Chugga chugga, Woo woo!

Tom Sherman

01-03-1970, 10:44 PM

Jay Beattie wrote:
> On Dec 20, 6:46 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Cole wrote:
>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
>>>>> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
>>>>> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
>>>>> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>>>> I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
>>>> they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
>>>> way when I broke a rib.
>>> The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
>>> relatively loose.
>> Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
>> over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
>> and spoons as well, I take it?
>
> Well, with deep lug sole MTB shoes and typically low speed
> maneuvering, it is conceivable that even loose toe clips could trip
> you up trail riding.

Yes, for some reason my Trek ATB came with clips and straps. I must go
up to Waterloo to sample the water!

> I don't see the danger on the road. I have seen
> more people struggle to get out of clipless than toe clips, but in
> some of those cases it was due to early design flaws (like the first
> generation budget Time death pedals).

If one has to make an unplanned stop (e.g. moron pulling out of driveway
without looking, clueless pedestrian wandering into the street) while
wearing clips and straps, there will be no time to reach down to loosen
a strap. This makes them unsuitable for urban/suburban riding, unless
used on a trike.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Ozark Bicycle

01-03-1970, 10:44 PM

On Dec 20, 10:16*pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:50 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 8:46 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 20, 8:35 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Peter Cole wrote:
> > > > > landotter wrote:
>
> > > > >> The Powergrips sound cool, and even cooler now that I know you can
> > > > >> adjust them on the fly. If I get back into mtbing, I'll deffo try a
> > > > >> set, as it sure is nice to be wearing real shoes if your bike goes
> > > > >> titsup five miles from the trailhead.
>
> > > > > I used them for MTB'ing, and they do have that advantage, but I think
> > > > > they're also a bit risky, they can trap your foot. I found out the hard
> > > > > way when I broke a rib.
>
> > > > The worst for trapping one's foot are clips and straps, even when
> > > > relatively loose.
>
> > > Yes, those four or five lifetimes I'd have to live before I had a tip
> > > over, the thought is harrowing. You have a hard time with toothpaste
> > > and spoons as well, I take it?
>
> > He's good with Vaseline, though.
>
> You need work with your game, man!
>
> Process Tom of Finland, Leatherman tool, 6ft, and the name Ulf--then
> you can make a proper squidgy insult!! (or a hell of a dance party!)

Say wha?

>
> Chugga chugga, Woo woo!