Heiden chasing Longo

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
Her kids are pretty strong as well.

-ilan

[GoneBeforeMyTime]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:76dec1e3-7f3a-4f30-a3f4-dcc155bb9a67@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
> is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
> http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
> Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>
> -ilan

Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?

GBMT

[MagillaGorilla]

ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:

> Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
> is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
> http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
> Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>
> -ilan


Yeah,

I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
such competitions.

Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.

Magilla

[Carl Sundquist]

"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
news:e62dndKDssPdnRHanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@sti.net...
>
> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:76dec1e3-7f3a-4f30-a3f4-dcc155bb9a67@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>> is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>> http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
>> Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>>
>> -ilan
>
> Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?
>

At one point she skied competitively, but it may have been Alpine, not
Nordic. AFAIK, she lives in Grenoble. They do a bit of skiing there.

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jan 15, 1:37 am, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:76dec1e3-7f3a-4f30-a3f4-dcc155bb9a67@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
> > is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
> >http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
> > Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>
> > -ilan
>
> Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?
>
> GBMT

Well, they don't ski too much in Palo Alto, so I assume she is keeping
fit all year round with bike riding. I lived there for 15 years and
never saw anyone roller skiing or even roller skating seriously.
Anyway, she just lucked out that they invented the skating style for X-
country.

-ilan

[GoneBeforeMyTime]

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
news:abUij.20417$hO4.6358@newsfe19.lga...
>
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
> news:e62dndKDssPdnRHanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@sti.net...
>>
>> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:76dec1e3-7f3a-4f30-a3f4-dcc155bb9a67@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>>> is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>>> http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
>>> Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>>>
>>> -ilan
>>
>> Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?
>>
>
> At one point she skied competitively, but it may have been Alpine, not
> Nordic. AFAIK, she lives in Grenoble. They do a bit of skiing there.

Didn't she live on Mount Lemmon at 9000 feet in Arizona, or maybe I am wrong
about that.

GBMT

[HC]

This just in..... There are no ski slopes in Grenoble!


"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
news:abUij.20417$hO4.6358@newsfe19.lga...
>
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
> news:e62dndKDssPdnRHanZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@sti.net...
>>
>> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:76dec1e3-7f3a-4f30-a3f4-dcc155bb9a67@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>>> is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>>> http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&option=com_content&task=view
>>> Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>>>
>>> -ilan
>>
>> Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?
>>
>
> At one point she skied competitively, but it may have been Alpine, not
> Nordic. AFAIK, she lives in Grenoble. They do a bit of skiing there.

[GoneBeforeMyTime]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0a8f74c3-9318-4498-839a-acacf11ada2a@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 15, 1:37 am, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:76dec1e3-7f3a-4f30-a3f4-dcc155bb9a67@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>> > is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>> >http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
>> > Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>>
>> > -ilan
>>
>> Does Longo ski? I don't think so. Does Beth even ride the bike anymore?
>>
>> GBMT
>
> Well, they don't ski too much in Palo Alto, so I assume she is keeping
> fit all year round with bike riding. I lived there for 15 years and
> never saw anyone roller skiing or even roller skating seriously.
> Anyway, she just lucked out that they invented the skating style for X-
> country.
>
> -ilan

Well, the Sierra Range is not even a days drive from there, and that's where
the skiing takes place for the most part. I assume she goes to Tahoe area,
or points south of there. If she active in both, then she is really active,
hey!

GBMT

[Donald Munro]

HC wrote:
> This just in..... There are no ski slopes in Grenoble!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/19/travel/0720francewarm.php

[HC]

Grenoble....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=grenoble,+France&ie=UTF8&ll=45.205263,5.767822&spn=0.643434,1.167297&z=10&om=1

My sister lives in Abondance (and has a holiday rental Bernex)....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=ABONDANCE,+France&sll=45.205263,5.767822&sspn=0.643434,1.167297&ie=UTF8&ll=46.29002,6.738739&spn=0.63105,1.167297&z=10&om=1

As Ever, etc.
HC


"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:478c9b29$0$11463$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster. com...
> HC wrote:
>> This just in..... There are no ski slopes in Grenoble!
>
> http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/19/travel/0720francewarm.php
>

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jan 20, 11:02 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
> > is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
> >http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
> > Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>
> > -ilan
>
> Yeah,
>
> I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
> competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
> such competitions.
>
> Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.
>
> Magilla

She won the entire women's division.

-ilan

[MagillaGorilla]

ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:

> On Jan 20, 11:02 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>>>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>>>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
>>>Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>>
>>>-ilan
>>
>>Yeah,
>>
>>I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
>>competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
>>such competitions.
>>
>>Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> She won the entire women's division.
>
> -ilan


Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it. And out of
those 23, maybe 4 are serious. So she beat 4 women. The rest are
recreational skiiers.

Big whoop.

Let's see her beat some Olympians.

Magilla

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jan 21, 5:31*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 11:02 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
> >>>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
> >>>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
> >>>Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>
> >>>-ilan
>
> >>Yeah,
>
> >>I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
> >>competitive. *Millions of women that age all over the world train for
> >>such competitions.
>
> >>Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. *Just 6 women do it.
>
> >>Magilla
>
> > She won the entire women's division.
>
> > -ilan
>
> Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it. *And out of
> those 23, maybe 4 are serious. *So she beat 4 women. *The rest are
> recreational skiiers.
>
> Big whoop.
>
> Let's see her beat some Olympians.

9,000 at the Birkie:

http://www.birkie.com/

I'm guessing more than 23 over-45 women, but you can look it up, and
yes, it is a "big whoop" compared to anything in cycling, including
RAGBRAI <g>. And that's just Cable. New England, Rockies, Sierra
Nevadas... lotta XC Ski folks out there.

"Beating Olympians"? I think she already did that in three different
sports-- ski, skate, bike.

World RR Champ, 1980, also US RR champ. Also won Coors Classic.

(Wiki):
For most of her speed skating career, Heiden was still a junior, but
she already belonged to the absolute world top. This led to the
situation that she participated in both junior and "regular"
championships during the same season several times, both with great
successes. This was most obvious in 1979, when she became World
Allround Champion and, three weeks afterwards, World Junior Allround
Champion, while at both championships winning all four distances. In
addition, in between those two championships, she also won silver at
the World Sprint Championships, winning both 1,000 m races.
Much was expected of her the following year at the 1980 Winter
Olympics, but an ankle injury prevented her from skating at her full
potential. Despite that, she still managed to win a bronze medal on
the 3,000 m. (end Wiki quote)

Masters in Civil Engineering, married, children, lives in Palo Alto.
Her brother Eric is an MD.

So, top-drawer accomplishments in sport, and a life after. And she
still skis (no idea IRT Eric's contemporary athletic participation).

In rebuttal to your usual "failure to be impressed", I'd offer the
idea that, like in cycling and other "amateur" sports, you can go
enter some little race somewhere and have to get past the Beth Reids
of the world in order to win. That's a good dose of "legitimacy" IMHO.
It's also a fine opportunity for some to readjust their social
adjustment <g> (instead of crying "no fair!") but that's another
story. --D-y

[MagillaGorilla]

dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:

> On Jan 21, 5:31 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 20, 11:02 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
>>>>>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
>>>>>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
>>>>>Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>>
>>>>>-ilan
>>
>>>>Yeah,
>>
>>>>I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
>>>>competitive. Millions of women that age all over the world train for
>>>>such competitions.
>>
>>>>Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. Just 6 women do it.
>>
>>>>Magilla
>>
>>>She won the entire women's division.
>>
>>>-ilan
>>
>>Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it. And out of
>>those 23, maybe 4 are serious. So she beat 4 women. The rest are
>>recreational skiiers.
>>
>>Big whoop.
>>
>>Let's see her beat some Olympians.
>
>
> 9,000 at the Birkie:
>
> http://www.birkie.com/
>
> I'm guessing more than 23 over-45 women, but you can look it up, and
> yes, it is a "big whoop" compared to anything in cycling, including
> RAGBRAI <g>. And that's just Cable. New England, Rockies, Sierra
> Nevadas... lotta XC Ski folks out there.
>
> "Beating Olympians"? I think she already did that in three different
> sports-- ski, skate, bike.
>
> World RR Champ, 1980, also US RR champ. Also won Coors Classic.
>
> (Wiki):
> For most of her speed skating career, Heiden was still a junior, but
> she already belonged to the absolute world top. This led to the
> situation that she participated in both junior and "regular"
> championships during the same season several times, both with great
> successes. This was most obvious in 1979, when she became World
> Allround Champion and, three weeks afterwards, World Junior Allround
> Champion, while at both championships winning all four distances. In
> addition, in between those two championships, she also won silver at
> the World Sprint Championships, winning both 1,000 m races.
> Much was expected of her the following year at the 1980 Winter
> Olympics, but an ankle injury prevented her from skating at her full
> potential. Despite that, she still managed to win a bronze medal on
> the 3,000 m. (end Wiki quote)
>
> Masters in Civil Engineering, married, children, lives in Palo Alto.
> Her brother Eric is an MD.
>
> So, top-drawer accomplishments in sport, and a life after. And she
> still skis (no idea IRT Eric's contemporary athletic participation).
>
> In rebuttal to your usual "failure to be impressed", I'd offer the
> idea that, like in cycling and other "amateur" sports, you can go
> enter some little race somewhere and have to get past the Beth Reids
> of the world in order to win. That's a good dose of "legitimacy" IMHO.
> It's also a fine opportunity for some to readjust their social
> adjustment <g> (instead of crying "no fair!") but that's another
> story. --D-y
>


Which Olympians did she beat in cycling? When Beth Heiden competed in
skating, it was a very shallow depth of competition (probably not a
whole different than it is now). 1980 was when only amateurs could
compete in the Olympics anyway.

Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
supposedly 'great' she was.

Magilla

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
> supposedly 'great' she was.
>
> Magilla

This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
be compared meaningfully to anything
previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.

I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.

-ilan

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jan 21, 12:42*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 5:31 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>On Jan 20, 11:02 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>>>Jeannie Longo isn't the only senior out there. Beth Reid, AKA Heiden,
> >>>>>is still winning races at age 48 in cross country skiing:
> >>>>>http://host358.ipowerweb.com/~swixraci/index.php?Itemid=6&id=132&opti...
> >>>>>Her kids are pretty strong as well.
>
> >>>>>-ilan
>
> >>>>Yeah,
>
> >>>>I'm sure women's cross country skiing for women over 45 is real
> >>>>competitive. *Millions of women that age all over the world train for
> >>>>such competitions.
>
> >>>>Oh no wait, no, I'm sorry. *Just 6 women do it.
>
> >>>>Magilla
>
> >>>She won the entire women's division.
>
> >>>-ilan
>
> >>Okay, so instead of 6 women doing it, maybe 23 women do it. *And out of
> >>those 23, maybe 4 are serious. *So she beat 4 women. *The rest are
> >>recreational skiiers.
>
> >>Big whoop.
>
> >>Let's see her beat some Olympians.
>
> > 9,000 at the Birkie:
>
> >http://www.birkie.com/
>
> > I'm guessing more than 23 over-45 women, but you can look it up, and
> > yes, it is a "big whoop" compared to anything in cycling, including
> > RAGBRAI <g>. And that's just Cable. New England, Rockies, Sierra
> > Nevadas... lotta XC Ski folks out there.
>
> > "Beating Olympians"? I think she already did that in three different
> > sports-- ski, skate, bike.
>
> > World RR Champ, 1980, also US RR champ. Also won Coors Classic.
>
> > (Wiki):
> > For most of her speed skating career, Heiden was still a junior, but
> > she already belonged to the absolute world top. This led to the
> > situation that she participated in both junior and "regular"
> > championships during the same season several times, both with great
> > successes. This was most obvious in 1979, when she became World
> > Allround Champion and, three weeks afterwards, World Junior Allround
> > Champion, while at both championships winning all four distances. In
> > addition, in between those two championships, she also won silver at
> > the World Sprint Championships, winning both 1,000 m races.
> > Much was expected of her the following year at the 1980 Winter
> > Olympics, but an ankle injury prevented her from skating at her full
> > potential. Despite that, she still managed to win a bronze medal on
> > the 3,000 m. (end Wiki quote)
>
> > Masters in Civil Engineering, married, children, lives in Palo Alto.
> > Her brother Eric is an MD.
>
> > So, top-drawer accomplishments in sport, and a life after. And she
> > still skis (no idea IRT Eric's contemporary athletic participation).
>
> > In rebuttal to your usual "failure to be impressed", I'd offer the
> > idea that, like in cycling and other "amateur" sports, you can go
> > enter some little race somewhere and have to get past the Beth Reids
> > of the world in order to win. That's a good dose of "legitimacy" IMHO.
> > It's also a fine opportunity for some to readjust their social
> > adjustment <g> (instead of crying "no fair!") but that's another
> > story. * --D-y
>
> Which Olympians did she beat in cycling? *When Beth Heiden competed in
> skating, it was a very shallow depth of competition (probably not a
> whole different than it is now). *1980 was when only amateurs could
> compete in the Olympics anyway.
>
> Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
> supposedly 'great' she was.

I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.

I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.

They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
flinger.

And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
"all the above".

I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?

Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?

Giants by 11. --D-y

[MagillaGorilla]

ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
>>supposedly 'great' she was.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
> be compared meaningfully to anything
> previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
> comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
>
> I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
>
> -ilan
>


So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden
wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.

Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is bull****:

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13939.0.html

Magilla

[Tom Kunich]

<ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0cc77d12-0468-48ef-8272-1c78a93e89b0@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
>> supposedly 'great' she was.
>
> This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
> be compared meaningfully to anything
> previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
> comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
>
> I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.

You don't really think that a moron will be able to "get out" of anything at
all do you Ilan?

[Michael Press]

In article <fn3780$hs1$1@aioe.org>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
> >>supposedly 'great' she was.
> >>
> >>Magilla
> >
> >
> > This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
> > be compared meaningfully to anything
> > previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
> > comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
> >
> > I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
> >
> > -ilan
> >
>
>
> So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden
> wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.
>
> Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is bull****:
>
> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13939.0.html

He [Steve Johnson] explained that USA Cycling is not
responsible for deciding [a sentence], they are only
responsible for enforcing it. That means that had he
paid attention, and made the decision that that was the
wrong outcome, he was not under any obligation to
enforce it. It's evident in the way the Spanish
federation has dealt with Iban Mayo, where the UCI just
goes around shopping for test results that they like.

The Spanish federation decided we're not going to
enforce that, sorry. That's what Steve Johnson could
have done - had he been astute enough to pay attention
and intelligent enough to understand it. It's possible
he's not smart enough to understand the science. But
in that case he shouldn't be in charge of USA Cycling.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <fn3780$hs1$1@aioe.org>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
> >>supposedly 'great' she was.
> >>
> >>Magilla
> >
> >
> > This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
> > be compared meaningfully to anything
> > previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
> > comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
> >
> > I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
> >
> > -ilan
> >
>
>
> So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden
> wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.
>
> Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is bull****:
>
> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13939.0.html

From my point of view, the problem that is taking
cycling backwards and not forwards is that it's
becoming polarized. You have teams like Team High
Horse, or whatever they're called these days, and
Jonathan Vaughters' team, and they are saying we don't
care about winning, we just want to be clean and so
it's okay with us to get whatever place we get because
we're not doping. You know what? That's one of the most
offensive things you could ever say. That immediately
accuses everyone who finishes ahead you of doping.
That's hypocrisy. That's asinine. They have to stop
saying that. It's all fine and good that they are
against doping, but for them to say we're not
interested in winning, we're just interested in being
clean is an accusation of anyone that is better than them.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <fn3780$hs1$1@aioe.org>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
> >>supposedly 'great' she was.
> >>
> >>Magilla
> >
> >
> > This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
> > be compared meaningfully to anything
> > previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
> > comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
> >
> > I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
> >
> > -ilan
> >
>
>
> So compare to 1998. That should be good enough to show that Heiden
> wouldn't have qualified for the Olympics had she competed in the 1990's.
>
> Even Floyd Landis says the Olympics is bull****:
>
> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13939.0.html

"I want to make clear my intention is not to make Steve
Johnson look bad. I believe he is intelligent enough to
be in the position he's in, and I believe he has the
right intentions. But I also understand that he's
afraid politically to say anything, when that shouldn't
be the case. There shouldn't be political pressure on
Steve Johnson to avoid the answers to those questions.
The problem is not Steve Johnson, the problem is the
fact that there's pressure on him to be unable to
answer those questions. That in itself is a problem."

Come one Floyd, don't pull punches.
Call him a spineles invertebrate.

--
Michael Press

[Steven Bornfeld]

dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
>
> I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
> either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
> say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.
>
> I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
> saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.
>
> They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
> flinger.
>
> And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
> professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
> careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
> pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
> "all the above".
>
> I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?
>
> Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?
>
> Giants by 11. --D-y



Nice post--thanks.

Steve

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jan 22, 12:38 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0cc77d12-0468-48ef-8272-1c78a93e89b0@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 21, 7:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Why don't you post her times compared to today's skaters and see how
> >> supposedly 'great' she was.
>
> > This is truly impressive ignorance. Skating time today can no longer
> > be compared meaningfully to anything
> > previous to 1998 because of the introduction of clap skates. It's like
> > comparing time trial times today to those before aero bars.
>
> > I'm wondering how you're going to get out of this one.
>
> You don't really think that a moron will be able to "get out" of anything at
> all do you Ilan?

Actually, I find these Magilla responses sort of entertaining, nothing
fazes him. Such calm in the face of adversity is usually commendable.

I find Magilla somewhat similar to the failed graduate student types
who dominate Wikipedia editing. They will insist on removing anything
you contribute on your own area of expertise and will be undaunted
until I call on one of my own WIkipedia admin friends. It's all part
of the democratization of the Internet, the price to pay for freedom.

-ilan

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jan 21, 5:49*pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
>
> > I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
> > either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
> > say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.
>
> > I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
> > saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.
>
> > They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
> > flinger.
>
> > And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
> > professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
> > careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
> > pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
> > "all the above".
>
> > I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?
>
> > Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?
>
> > Giants by 11. *--D-y
>
> * * * * Nice post--thanks.

You're welcome, Giants fan <g>. --D-y

[Donald Munro]

ilanpsi wrote:
> I find Magilla somewhat similar to the failed graduate student types who
> dominate Wikipedia editing. They will insist on removing anything you
> contribute on your own area of expertise and will be undaunted until I
> call on one of my own WIkipedia admin friends. It's all part of the
> democratization of the Internet, the price to pay for freedom.

I wonder if he's tried to edit this page:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla>

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jan 22, 7:17*am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 5:49*pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
>
> > > I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
> > > either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
> > > say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.
>
> > > I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
> > > saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.
>
> > > They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
> > > flinger.
>
> > > And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
> > > professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
> > > careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
> > > pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
> > > "all the above".
>
> > > I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?
>
> > > Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?
>
> > >Giantsby11. *--D-y
>
> > * * * * Nice post--thanks.
>
> You're welcome,Giantsfan <g>. *--D-y

Missed the spread. Had confidence in the D. Got the V. Sweet.

Sons of Niskayuna, rejoice! --D-y

[Bill C]

On Feb 3, 11:44*pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 7:17*am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 5:49*pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
>
> > > > I remember poor old Eddy Merckx not getting a lot of slack from you,
> > > > either, Maggie. Actually, the word is "respect". That's OK, like they
> > > > say, you know he is but I doubt the reverse is true <g>.
>
> > > > I never saw Eddy race, except with Lance at the Greune two-man TT. I
> > > > saw Beth ride in the Coors, 1980. Class of the field.
>
> > > > They're both still "great", and you don't have to agree, feces-
> > > > flinger.
>
> > > > And my God, what will the world come to if people compete in non-
> > > > professional sports and *enjoy themselves* while having successful
> > > > careers and raising families and so forth? Extra props for former
> > > > pros, Olympians, UCI (international class) riders, etc. who can juggle
> > > > "all the above".
>
> > > > I mean, we get the hierarchy and history stuff already, OK?
>
> > > > Give it a rest, go on to the Superbowl?
>
> > > >Giantsby11. *--D-y
>
> > > * * * * Nice post--thanks.
>
> > You're welcome,Giantsfan <g>. *--D-y
>
> Missed the spread. Had confidence in the D. Got the V. Sweet.
>
> Sons of Niskayuna, rejoice! * --D-y- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yep, nice job by the Giants. They kcked our ass from beginning to end.
No fluke that they won. They were tougher and the better team last
night.
Looks like little Eli's grown up.
Bill C