...when variables collide...

[Michael Baldwin]

>The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
>know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
>variables is.

>I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
>commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
>Jobst Brandt

Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". Mr.
Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.

RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. I feel that to chronologically
list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
intelligence of those who frequent RBT. Though accurate and true, out
of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
self-indulging and boastful.

Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
of component parts. These characteristics are typically measured in one
of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
both.

Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING

(quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
[variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
[attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
same type. For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. By
matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
same tension. (end quote)

Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
assembling part components into a wheel. He's also identified that
variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
maximum strength.

I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
Quality and Fitness for Use. The term was my simplistic way to
illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. Controlling
the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
characteristics were in control as well.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

[The Troll Feeder]

On Jan 15, 5:09 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> >The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
> >know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
> >variables is.
> >I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
> >commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
> >Jobst Brandt
>
> Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
> from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". Mr.
> Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.
>
> RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
> enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. I feel that to chronologically
> list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
> intelligence of those who frequent RBT. Though accurate and true, out
> of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
> self-indulging and boastful.
>
> Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
> procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
> of component parts. These characteristics are typically measured in one
> of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
> manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
> From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
> both.
>
> Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING
>
> (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
> [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
> [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
> same type. For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. By
> matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
> same tension. (end quote)
>
> Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
> assembling part components into a wheel. He's also identified that
> variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
> being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
> maximum strength.
>
> I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
> those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
> Quality and Fitness for Use. The term was my simplistic way to
> illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
> techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. Controlling
> the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
> characteristics were in control as well.
>
> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

First

--
THE Troll Feeder

Beating other troll feeders to the trowel since 2008.

[almost_fast@yahoo.com]

On Jan 15, 7:09*pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> >The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
> >know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
> >variables is.
> >I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
> >commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
> >Jobst Brandt
>
> *Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
> from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". * Mr.
> Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is. *
>
> *RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
> enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. *I feel that to chronologically
> list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
> intelligence of those who frequent RBT. *Though accurate and true, out
> of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
> self-indulging and boastful. * *
>
> *Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
> procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
> of component parts. *These characteristics are typically measured in one
> of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
> manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
> From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
> both.
>
> Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING
>
> (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
> [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
> [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
> same type. *For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. *By
> matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
> same tension. (end quote) *
>
> *Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
> assembling part components into a wheel. *He's also identified that
> variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
> being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
> maximum strength.
>
> *I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
> those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
> Quality and Fitness for Use. *The term was my simplistic way to
> illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
> techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. *Controlling
> the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
> characteristics were in control as well.
>
> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Thanks Mike. Welcome to RBT, hope you grow a thick skin and hang
around. Nice to have a new voice that's thoughtful and experienced.

[jim beam]

Michael Baldwin wrote:
>> The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
>> know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
>> variables is.
>
>> I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
>> commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
>> Jobst Brandt
>
> Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
> from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". Mr.
> Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is.
>
> RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
> enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. I feel that to chronologically
> list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
> intelligence of those who frequent RBT. Though accurate and true, out
> of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
> self-indulging and boastful.
>
> Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
> procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
> of component parts. These characteristics are typically measured in one
> of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
> manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
> From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
> both.
>
> Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING
>
> (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
> [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
> [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
> same type. For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. By
> matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
> same tension. (end quote)
>
> Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
> assembling part components into a wheel. He's also identified that
> variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
> being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
> maximum strength.
>
> I coined the phrase "when variables collide" over 25 years ago. I used
> those three words to open a presentation on The Concept of Variation,
> Quality and Fitness for Use. The term was my simplistic way to
> illustrate and reinforce the need for Statistical Process Control (SPC)
> techniques in component part manufacturing and assembly. Controlling
> the identified key characteristics of the process insured that the
> characteristics were in control as well.
>
> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
>

even if one had ever heard the expression before, it's not like it's
hard to figure out what it means - even if one hasn't done any
statistical control. but that won't stop jobst trolling for an excuse
to try lording it over the plebes - only a wooden box will get in the
way of that.

[zarfus1@gmail.com]

On Jan 15, 8:09*pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> >The above reference is a mystery to me. I don't
> >know what variables are involved nor what a collision of
> >variables is.
> >I suggest you don't use it, because it is not
> >commonly recognized and confuses the issue.
> >Jobst Brandt
>
> *Senior RBT contributor Jobst Brandt has suggested I explain or refrain
> from using my so called mystery phrase, "when variables collide". * Mr.
> Brandt has also suggested that I may not even know what a variable is. *
>
> *RBT contributors as a whole, are very talented individuals who've
> enjoyed many unsung accomplishments. *I feel that to chronologically
> list my own achievements, would be, in general, an insult to the overall
> intelligence of those who frequent RBT. *Though accurate and true, out
> of mutual respect I've omitted details that some may consider
> self-indulging and boastful. * *
>
> *Characteristics is a word that can be used to describe the steps,
> procedures, specifications and processes of the manufacture and assembly
> of component parts. *These characteristics are typically measured in one
> of two ways. Either variable, meaning measurable by some definitive
> manner, or attribute, meaning accept / reject by a specific standard.
> From Mr. Brandt's book, the Bicycle Wheel, I'd like to site examples of
> both.
>
> Page 111, FINAL TENSIONING
>
> (quote) Spoke tension can be measured directly with a tensiometer
> [variable data] but it also can be determined by comparing the tone
> [attribute data] of the wheel to another properly-tensioned wheel of the
> same type. *For the best ring, pluck the spokes at the nipples. *By
> matching the tones of the spokes they can be brought very close to the
> same tension. (end quote) *
>
> *Mr. Brandt has identified spoke tension as a characteristic of
> assembling part components into a wheel. *He's also identified that
> variable data (tensiometer) and/or attribute data (the plucked tone) as
> being the key characteristics of components assembled into a wheel of
> maximum strength.


Hey, I read that book. I broke a spoke about a month ago, resulting
in a curved and rubbing wheel. After replacing the spoke, I
tightened it until the tone matched the adjacent spokes from the same
side of the wheel.

I then spun the wheel by hand, and the wheel was perfectly true and
needed no further adjustment...

I thought it was marvellous.

[Michael Baldwin]

>It seems the rudest folks are all anonymous.
>Jobst Brandt

Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 8:53pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:19am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:09am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:04pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:14pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:38pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

...7 replies to _OTHER_ posts, your silence is deafening Mr. Brandt...

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

[Michael Press]

In article
<cc3c193d-96a5-4ac6-b5ea-26577f13ad47@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
The Troll Feeder <the.troll.feeder@gmail.com> wrote:

> --
> THE Troll Feeder
>
> Beating other troll feeders to the trowel since 2008.

Trough? I do not understand trowel here.

--
Michael Press

[jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org]

Michael Baldwin writes:

>> It seems the rudest folks are all anonymous.
>> Jobst Brandt

> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 8:53pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:19am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:09am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:04pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:14pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:38pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt

> ..7 replies to _OTHER_ posts, your silence is deafening Mr. Brandt...

> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

You seem to have a knack for cryptography. What do the above dates
have to do with colliding variables? What replies are you missing?

Jobst Brandt

[_]

On 17 Jan 2008 02:00:17 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

> Michael Baldwin writes:
>
>>> It seems the rudest folks are all anonymous.
>>> Jobst Brandt
>
>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 8:53pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:19am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> Date: Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:09am (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:04pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 10:17pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:14pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 7:38pm (EST+5) From: jobst.brandt
>
>> ..7 replies to _OTHER_ posts, your silence is deafening Mr. Brandt...
>
>> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
>
> You seem to have a knack for cryptography. What do the above dates
> have to do with colliding variables? What replies are you missing?
>
> Jobst Brandt

Yours, it seems.

Maybe he's lonely, and thinks you're his type.

[Tosspot]

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <cc3c193d-96a5-4ac6-b5ea-26577f13ad47@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> The Troll Feeder <the.troll.feeder@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> --
>> THE Troll Feeder
>>
>> Beating other troll feeders to the trowel since 2008.
>
> Trough? I do not understand trowel here.

It's a variable thing.

[IK]

Tosspot <Frank.Leake@esa.int> wrote in news:fmmtq3$l4i$03$1@news.t-
online.com:

> It's a variable thing....

.... which collides every now and then