Mario Is Back!!!! [Archive] - Triangle Cycling

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 12:47 AM

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:29 -0800 (PST), OMC <mcreed53@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Is_Cipollinis_comeback_already_over_article_174817 .html
>
> "by the end of the day it seems that Cipollini and charismatic Rock
> Racing owner Micheal Ball had already fallen out,"
>
> How charismatic is this Ball dude if everyone body who meets him hates
> him?

All Ball has to do is say something anti-American and half of the population
of the USA will instantly worship him.

OMC

01-04-1970, 12:48 AM

On Jan 19, 4:28 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote in messagenews:a3s4p3lbul8ed1as8sdv3r2e7pb9d55n02@4ax .com...
>
> > On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:29 -0800 (PST), OMC <mcree...@msn.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Is_Cipollinis_comeback_already_ov...
>
> > "by the end of the day it seems that Cipollini and charismatic Rock
> > Racing owner Micheal Ball had already fallen out,"
>
> > How charismatic is this Ball dude if everyone body who meets him hates
> > him?
>
> All Ball has to do is say something anti-American and half of the population
> of the USA will instantly worship him.

And other half thinks Kunich is a nut job, I guess that would make us
100% in agreement !

Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_article_174887.ht ml

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:48 AM

Tom Kunich wrote:

> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote in message
> news:a3s4p3lbul8ed1as8sdv3r2e7pb9d55n02@4ax.com...
>
>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:29 -0800 (PST), OMC <mcreed53@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Is_Cipollinis_comeback_already_over_article_174817 .html
>>>
>>
>>
>> "by the end of the day it seems that Cipollini and charismatic Rock
>> Racing owner Micheal Ball had already fallen out,"
>>
>> How charismatic is this Ball dude if everyone body who meets him hates
>> him?
>
>
> All Ball has to do is say something anti-American and half of the
> population of the USA will instantly worship him.
>

Hey Assclown,

Define "anti-American."

Magilla

Bill C

01-04-1970, 12:50 AM

On Jan 20, 3:52*pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:

>
> Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...

Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
the younger guys.
Bill C

hizark21@yahoo.com

01-04-1970, 12:50 AM

On Jan 20, 1:11 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>
> Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
> the younger guys.
> Bill C

I noticed that Mario will be racing only in the US
(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jan08/jan20news )
"With the awareness of the former sprinter in Italy, the team would
have better chances of receiving wildcard invites to races like
Tirreno-Adriatico, Sanremo or even the Giro d'Italia. However, the
team is only registered for 2008 as a Continental team, which
prohibits its participation at least for the duration of this year.??"

In some ways this makes a lot sense for Mario. There is less
competition for Mario and he be of great PR value to Ball.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:50 AM

Bill C wrote:

> On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>
>
> Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
> the younger guys.
> Bill C

Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. He was not known for his
insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
D.S.. This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
they will accomplish neither.

That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
single NRC event. They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
bagging blood.

Magilla

Bill C

01-04-1970, 12:52 AM

On Jan 21, 6:22*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>
> > Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
> > the younger guys.
> > *Bill C
>
> Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. *He was not known for his
> insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
> D.S.. *This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
> guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
> they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
> they will accomplish neither.
>
> That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
> single NRC event. *They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
> bagging blood.
>
> Magilla

Nah, I think they'll do fine against the domestic teams. Gotta wonder
what Cipo knows, other than hit the brakes and turn around, when it
comes to climbs. Anyone still got one of those of T-shirts with Cipo
bailing?
Bill C

Black Range

01-04-1970, 12:52 AM

On Jan 21, 10:22*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>
> > Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
> > the younger guys.
> > *Bill C
>
> Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. *He was not known for his
> insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
> D.S.. *This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
> guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
> they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
> they will accomplish neither.
>
> That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
> single NRC event. *They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
> bagging blood.
>
> Magilla

cipo not known for his insightful race strategy? so how do you win the
rainbow bands and not the gay ones that michael ball wears without
being half smart? 191 wins in a career that spans from 1989 to 2005
really speaks for itself. When a guy can motorpace at 80kmh you know
he's got talent. Two of my mates saw him on the way to a race in
Belgium sitting behind the domina vacanze team car going down a main
road with the hatch up. The guy is a freight train and he'd more than
likely lead himself out if he was to race for ball in america.

Call me naive but do the american audience find him to be a 'wanker'.

AM.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:52 AM

Bill C wrote:
> On Jan 21, 6:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bill C wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>>
>>>Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
>>>the younger guys.
>>> Bill C
>>
>>Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. He was not known for his
>>insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
>>D.S.. This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
>>guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
>>they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
>>they will accomplish neither.
>>
>>That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
>>single NRC event. They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
>>bagging blood.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Nah, I think they'll do fine against the domestic teams. Gotta wonder
> what Cipo knows, other than hit the brakes and turn around, when it
> comes to climbs. Anyone still got one of those of T-shirts with Cipo
> bailing?
> Bill C

Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
they are racing against don't even have half that.

Magilla

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-04-1970, 12:53 AM

> Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
> they are racing against don't even have half that.

Right. Big budgets sure worked well for Telekom/T-Mobile...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bill C wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 6:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Bill C wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is
>>>>>in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>>>
>>>>Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
>>>>the younger guys.
>>>> Bill C
>>>
>>>Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. He was not known for his
>>>insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
>>>D.S.. This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
>>>guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
>>>they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
>>>they will accomplish neither.
>>>
>>>That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
>>>single NRC event. They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
>>>bagging blood.
>>>
>>>Magilla
>>
>>
>> Nah, I think they'll do fine against the domestic teams. Gotta wonder
>> what Cipo knows, other than hit the brakes and turn around, when it
>> comes to climbs. Anyone still got one of those of T-shirts with Cipo
>> bailing?
>> Bill C
>
>
> Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
> they are racing against don't even have half that.
>
> Magilla

Bill C

01-04-1970, 12:53 AM

On Jan 21, 1:07*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

>
> Do fine? *They supposedly have a $8 million budget. *The domestic teams
> they are racing against don't even have half that.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's his latest playtoy. They'll win some domestic races, stir up
some ****, get some press, and piss off a ton of old folks.
Sounds like the standard X-games type mentality. The more controversy
he can stir up, and the more **** he can get the GB's to say about, or
do to his team the better for him.
**** Europe went nuts for cowboy ****, 8 mil, aint **** if it makes
his crap the hot new jean, or whatever over there.
Don't think he really gives a **** about the cycling end as long as
they generate a buzz.
Win, or lose he can make it work for him. It's about business.
Bill C

amit.ghosh@gmail.com

01-04-1970, 12:53 AM

On Jan 21, 1:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
> > they are racing against don't even have half that.
>
> Right. Big budgets sure worked well for Telekom/T-Mobile...
>

so you're comparing rock racing to a team that raced in all the top
events all over the world for over ten years ?

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-04-1970, 12:53 AM

<amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 21, 1:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> > Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
>> > they are racing against don't even have half that.
>>
>> Right. Big budgets sure worked well for Telekom/T-Mobile...
>>
>
> so you're comparing rock racing to a team that raced in all the top
> events all over the world for over ten years ?

I'm suggesting that expectations might be a bit on the high side (for Rock
Racing), if someone is expecting phenomenal results just from throwing money
at the sport. The "Supergroups" of the 70s & 80s didn't work out too well,
nor have cycling teams that have had too many leaders and not enough
support. Although for Rock Racing I guess we're looking at a group of
"Rock"stars who have come out of retirement. Maybe it's a different dynamic
that could work. But I don't think so.

Somebody has probably done a study to show how many "support" riders it
takes, per leader, to consistently do well in big races. But maybe it's all
about making a splashy show at the starting line, not getting across the
finish line first?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 12:55 AM

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
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>
> The "Supergroups" of the 70s & 80s didn't work out too well,

La Vie Claire, just some of the members:

Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve Bauer.

amit.ghosh@gmail.com

01-04-1970, 12:55 AM

On Jan 21, 7:01 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:831aafa3-d351-4698-a393-e4a6c35304cc@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> > Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
> >> > they are racing against don't even have half that.
>
> >> Right. Big budgets sure worked well for Telekom/T-Mobile...
>
> > so you're comparing rock racing to a team that raced in all the top
> > events all over the world for over ten years ?
>
> I'm suggesting that expectations might be a bit on the high side (for Rock
> Racing), if someone is expecting phenomenal results just from throwing money
> at the sport. The "Supergroups" of the 70s & 80s didn't work out too well,
> nor have cycling teams that have had too many leaders and not enough
> support. Although for Rock Racing I guess we're looking at a group of
> "Rock"stars who have come out of retirement.

dumbass,

except it isn't a superteam, it's more like Slapshot.

William R. Mattil

01-04-1970, 12:55 AM

Tom Kunich wrote:

>
> La Vie Claire, just some of the members:
>
> Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve Bauer.
>
>

Dumbass

.... you sure about all of those ?

It's truely a wonderful thing when a self proclaimed "know it all" ****s up.

Bill

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 12:55 AM

"William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> La Vie Claire, just some of the members:
>>
>> Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve Bauer.
>>
> .... you sure about all of those ?

Yes, what's more it's on the net.

> It's truely a wonderful thing when a self proclaimed "know it all" ****s
> up.

Then perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.

William R. Mattil

01-04-1970, 12:55 AM

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:oyblj.1579$so6.606@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> La Vie Claire, just some of the members:
>>>
>>> Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve
>>> Bauer.
>>>
>> .... you sure about all of those ?
>
> Yes, what's more it's on the net.
>
>> It's truely a wonderful thing when a self proclaimed "know it all"
>> ****s up.
>
> Then perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.
>

Dumbass,

Then tell us all the year that LF rode for La Vie Claire then
..........And while you're at it what races did he enter wearing the
aforementioned Team jersey ? Those of us who actually know this stuff
would know for a fact that once GL joined there was no chance that LF
would have ridden for LVC. But then again you probably mean Laurent
Jalabert.

Yeah buddy ... if it's "on the net" then it couldn't be wrong.

Bill

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:55 AM

Tom Kunich wrote:

> "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:oyblj.1579$so6.606@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> La Vie Claire, just some of the members:
>>>
>>> Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve
>>> Bauer.
>>>
>> .... you sure about all of those ?
>
>
> Yes, what's more it's on the net.
>
>> It's truely a wonderful thing when a self proclaimed "know it all"
>> ****s up.
>
>
> Then perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.
>

Yeah, Kuneyisland Psychlone, I remember when Laurent Fignon rode for La
Vie Claire. Those were the days.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Magilla

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 12:56 AM

"William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mUblj.1588$so6.95@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net. ..
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:oyblj.1579$so6.606@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> La Vie Claire, just some of the members:
>>>>
>>>> Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve
>>>> Bauer.
>>>>
>>> .... you sure about all of those ?
>>
>> Yes, what's more it's on the net.
>>
>>> It's truely a wonderful thing when a self proclaimed "know it all" ****s
>>> up.
>>
>> Then perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.
>>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Then tell us all the year that LF rode for La Vie Claire then .........And
> while you're at it what races did he enter wearing the aforementioned Team
> jersey ? Those of us who actually know this stuff would know for a fact
> that once GL joined there was no chance that LF would have ridden for LVC.
> But then again you probably mean Laurent Jalabert.
>
> Yeah buddy ... if it's "on the net" then it couldn't be wrong.

My mistake - in 1987 Fignon was on Systeme U - I was incorrect.

So obviously that means that the super teams didn't work at all.

Oh, wait, you couldn't care less about the actual discussion but intended
only to pick at nits. How impertinent of me not to have seen that from the
start.

William R. Mattil

01-04-1970, 12:56 AM

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:mUblj.1588$so6.95@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net. ..
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>> news:oyblj.1579$so6.606@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net ...
>>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> La Vie Claire, just some of the members:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernard Hinault, Greg LeMond, Andy Hampsten, Laurent Fignon, Steve
>>>>> Bauer.
>>>>>
>>>> .... you sure about all of those ?
>>>
>>> Yes, what's more it's on the net.
>>>
>>>> It's truely a wonderful thing when a self proclaimed "know it all"
>>>> ****s up.
>>>
>>> Then perhaps you ought to look in the mirror.
>>>
>>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> Then tell us all the year that LF rode for La Vie Claire then
>> .........And while you're at it what races did he enter wearing the
>> aforementioned Team jersey ? Those of us who actually know this stuff
>> would know for a fact that once GL joined there was no chance that LF
>> would have ridden for LVC. But then again you probably mean Laurent
>> Jalabert.
>>
>> Yeah buddy ... if it's "on the net" then it couldn't be wrong.
>
> My mistake - in 1987 Fignon was on Systeme U - I was incorrect.

Indeed ....... As I knew right from the beginning. And it took you a
little while to figure it out.

>
> So obviously that means that the super teams didn't work at all.

Obvious ? maybe to the self proclaimed expert of all things.. Oops wait
a minute ..... you aren't an expert at all as this exchange has proven.

>
> Oh, wait, you couldn't care less about the actual discussion but
> intended only to pick at nits. How impertinent of me not to have seen
> that from the start.
>

I like this part ... "Picking Nits" ..... Pointing out an rather large
egregious error of yours is picking Nits ? Something which you never
fail to do when the opportunity presents itself ? That's funny. Also
entirely predictable. In a clumsy half-assed effort to deflect attention
from the content in question you choose to attack me when you have
absolutely no idea as to what I care about at all. Classic Tom <g>

Those people who *think* they know it all really annoy those of us that do.

And it's also great fun to watch someone who lives by a sword get
impaled by one.

Bill

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 12:56 AM

<amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0a2118e4-1c9c-47de-bcee-f758bc6feb4e@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I'm suggesting that expectations might be a bit on the high side (for
>> Rock
>> Racing), if someone is expecting phenomenal results just from throwing
>> money
>> at the sport. The "Supergroups" of the 70s & 80s didn't work out too
>> well,
>> nor have cycling teams that have had too many leaders and not enough
>> support. Although for Rock Racing I guess we're looking at a group of
>> "Rock"stars who have come out of retirement.
>
>
> dumbass,
>
> except it isn't a superteam, it's more like Slapshot.

Speaking of which, we haven't heard from the Hansen brothers in quite a
while.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:56 AM

amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:

> On Jan 21, 7:01 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
> wrote:
>
>><amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:831aafa3-d351-4698-a393-e4a6c35304cc@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>>On Jan 21, 1:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Do fine? They supposedly have a $8 million budget. The domestic teams
>>>>>they are racing against don't even have half that.
>>
>>>>Right. Big budgets sure worked well for Telekom/T-Mobile...
>>
>>>so you're comparing rock racing to a team that raced in all the top
>>>events all over the world for over ten years ?
>>
>>I'm suggesting that expectations might be a bit on the high side (for Rock
>>Racing), if someone is expecting phenomenal results just from throwing money
>>at the sport. The "Supergroups" of the 70s & 80s didn't work out too well,
>>nor have cycling teams that have had too many leaders and not enough
>>support. Although for Rock Racing I guess we're looking at a group of
>>"Rock"stars who have come out of retirement.
>
>
>
> dumbass,
>
> except it isn't a superteam, it's more like Slapshot.

Hey assfaces,

"Supergroups" = rock bands and not cycling teams.

Magilla

OMC

01-04-1970, 12:56 AM

On Jan 21, 8:39 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0a2118e4-1c9c-47de-bcee-f758bc6feb4e@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> I'm suggesting that expectations might be a bit on the high side (for
> >> Rock
> >> Racing), if someone is expecting phenomenal results just from throwing
> >> money
> >> at the sport. The "Supergroups" of the 70s & 80s didn't work out too
> >> well,
> >> nor have cycling teams that have had too many leaders and not enough
> >> support. Although for Rock Racing I guess we're looking at a group of
> >> "Rock"stars who have come out of retirement.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > except it isn't a superteam, it's more like Slapshot.
>
> Speaking of which, we haven't heard from the Hansen brothers in quite a
> while.

They are riding for Slipstream, they are Vaughters lost brothers,
triplets at birth......note the similar fashion eyewear.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:57 AM

Black Range wrote:

> On Jan 21, 10:22 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bill C wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>>
>>>Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
>>>the younger guys.
>>> Bill C
>>
>>Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. He was not known for his
>>insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
>>D.S.. This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
>>guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
>>they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
>>they will accomplish neither.
>>
>>That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
>>single NRC event. They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
>>bagging blood.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> cipo not known for his insightful race strategy? so how do you win the
> rainbow bands and not the gay ones that michael ball wears without
> being half smart? 191 wins in a career that spans from 1989 to 2005
> really speaks for itself. When a guy can motorpace at 80kmh you know
> he's got talent. Two of my mates saw him on the way to a race in
> Belgium sitting behind the domina vacanze team car going down a main
> road with the hatch up. The guy is a freight train and he'd more than
> likely lead himself out if he was to race for ball in america.
>
> Call me naive but do the american audience find him to be a 'wanker'.
>
> AM.

You win 191 races by sprinting faster than everyone else due to superior
genetics. Races that come down to field sprints on pancake flat courses
are relatively immune to ambush by competing race strategies.

Surely you don't believe that Allesandro Pettachi is also a superior
race tactician?

Ask 100 people in a U.S. shopping mall who Mario Cipollini is and you'll
be lucky to get 1 person to say they do.

Magilla

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 12:57 AM

"Black Range" <mradrianmiller@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:8e0dbb54-1c53-4e98-8f50-95beee0140c4@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> cipo not known for his insightful race strategy?

Never question magilla. It's like holding a discussion with an idiot. Cipo
was one of the better strategists though you have to admit when you have
talent and speed like his that strategy is a great deal easier to plan.

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 12:57 AM

In article
<8e0dbb54-1c53-4e98-8f50-95beee0140c4@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Black Range <mradrianmiller@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 10:22*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> > Bill C wrote:
> > > On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
> >
> > > Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
> > > the younger guys.
> > > *Bill C
> >
> > Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. *He was not known for his
> > insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
> > D.S.. *This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
> > guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
> > they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
> > they will accomplish neither.
> >
> > That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
> > single NRC event. *They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
> > bagging blood.
> >
> > Magilla
>
> cipo not known for his insightful race strategy? so how do you win the
> rainbow bands and not the gay ones that michael ball wears without
> being half smart? 191 wins in a career that spans from 1989 to 2005
> really speaks for itself. When a guy can motorpace at 80kmh you know
> he's got talent. Two of my mates saw him on the way to a race in
> Belgium sitting behind the domina vacanze team car going down a main
> road with the hatch up. The guy is a freight train and he'd more than
> likely lead himself out if he was to race for ball in america.
>
> Call me naive but do the american audience find him to be a 'wanker'.

I do not know. Speaking for myself, no. I have a working class bias, and
am disposed to respect bicycle racers that reach the high levels for making
the most of their gifts.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 12:57 AM

In article <n0llj.860$hI1.219@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I like this part ... "Picking Nits" ..... Pointing out an rather large
> egregious error of yours is picking Nits ?

I note that qualifying `egregious' with `rather large' is redundant.

--
Michael Press

amit.ghosh@gmail.com

01-04-1970, 12:57 AM

On Jan 22, 8:19 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

>
> Ask 100 people in a U.S. shopping mall who Mario Cipollini is and you'll
> be lucky to get 1 person to say they do.
>
> Magilla

so what ? you'd have to ask a thousand people to find one that knows
who alexander ovechkin is, but he signed a $124 million dollar
contract.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:58 AM

Tom Kunich wrote:

> "Black Range" <mradrianmiller@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:8e0dbb54-1c53-4e98-8f50-95beee0140c4@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> cipo not known for his insightful race strategy?
>
>
> Never question magilla. It's like holding a discussion with an idiot.
> Cipo was one of the better strategists though you have to admit when you
> have talent and speed like his that strategy is a great deal easier to
> plan.
>

Yeah, the next thing you're gonna tell me is Carl Lewis was a great
strategist too.

You people are delusional.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 12:59 AM

Michael Press wrote:

> In article
> <8e0dbb54-1c53-4e98-8f50-95beee0140c4@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Black Range <mradrianmiller@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>On Jan 21, 10:22 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Bill C wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>>>
>>>>Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
>>>>the younger guys.
>>>> Bill C
>>>
>>>Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. He was not known for his
>>>insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
>>>D.S.. This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
>>>guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
>>>they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
>>>they will accomplish neither.
>>>
>>>That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
>>>single NRC event. They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
>>>bagging blood.
>>>
>>>Magilla
>>
>>cipo not known for his insightful race strategy? so how do you win the
>>rainbow bands and not the gay ones that michael ball wears without
>>being half smart? 191 wins in a career that spans from 1989 to 2005
>>really speaks for itself.

Hey dumbasses,

You win 191 races by being a genetically superior athlete with more fast
twitch muscle fibers than anyone else. That's how.

It has nothing to do with "superior race strategy."

You people are ****ing morons.

Magilla

William R. Mattil

01-04-1970, 01:00 AM

Michael Press wrote:
> In article <n0llj.860$hI1.219@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> I like this part ... "Picking Nits" ..... Pointing out an rather large
>> egregious error of yours is picking Nits ?
>
> I note that qualifying `egregious' with `rather large' is redundant.
>

Thank you sir <g>

Bill

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 01:00 AM

Michael Press wrote:
>> I note that qualifying `egregious' with `rather large' is redundant.

William R. Mattil wrote:
> Thank you sir <g>

http://www.davidreilly.com/dodo/books/new_scientist/nwsci05.gif

Black Range

01-04-1970, 01:00 AM

On Jan 23, 11:00*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <8e0dbb54-1c53-4e98-8f50-95beee014...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > *Black Range <mradrianmil...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>On Jan 21, 10:22 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Bill C wrote:
>
> >>>>On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>
> >>>>Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
> >>>>the younger guys.
> >>>> Bill C
>
> >>>Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. *He was not known for his
> >>>insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
> >>>D.S.. *This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
> >>>guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
> >>>they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
> >>>they will accomplish neither.
>
> >>>That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
> >>>single NRC event. *They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
> >>>bagging blood.
>
> >>>Magilla
>
> >>cipo not known for his insightful race strategy? so how do you win the
> >>rainbow bands and not the gay ones that michael ball wears without
> >>being half smart? 191 wins in a career that spans from 1989 to 2005
> >>really speaks for itself.
>
> Hey dumbasses,
>
> You win 191 races by being a genetically superior athlete with more fast
> twitch muscle fibers than anyone else. *That's how.
>
> It has nothing to do with "superior race strategy."
>
> You people are ****ing morons.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

okay picture this, you're barrelling down the finish straight at
zolder, you have swung off at the correct time and 50m to go you get
the guilts about beating robbie mcewen, just a little fella from
australia and sit up. Why should you, Mario Cipollini one of the most
recognisable faces in Europe, take all the glory? It's really not fair
and you should give the little guys a go. And once you get home go
blame your mum for encouraging you to train, blame both your parents
for giving your physical characteristics and blame your teammates who
want you to win so they get a cut of the prize hence the team part.

Have you even raced beyond a coffee shop sprint? you can't ****ing
well be for real.

Really come on, no one is that stupid.

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 01:02 AM

In article <4796e496$0$12528$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> >> I note that qualifying `egregious' with `rather large' is redundant.
>
> William R. Mattil wrote:
> > Thank you sir <g>
>
> http://www.davidreilly.com/dodo/books/new_scientist/nwsci05.gif

The same people who did that casting must also do the ones for the Look cleats.

--
tanx,
Howard

Now it's raining pitchforks and women,
But I've already got a pitchfork...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:02 AM

Black Range wrote:

> On Jan 23, 11:00 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Michael Press wrote:
>>
>>>In article
>>><8e0dbb54-1c53-4e98-8f50-95beee014...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Black Range <mradrianmil...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Jan 21, 10:22 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Bill C wrote:
>>
>>>>>>On Jan 20, 3:52 pm, OMC <mcree...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Now it's a done deal, Cipo is in:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cipollini_signs_with_Rock_Racing_...
>>
>>>>>>Cool! That's great news. Hope this really works out, especially for
>>>>>>the younger guys.
>>>>>>Bill C
>>
>>>>>Cipo is a sprinter long past his prime. He was not known for his
>>>>>insightful race strategy, so not sure about him driving the car as a
>>>>>D.S.. This whole deal was just one big misguided publicity stunt by a
>>>>>guy who appears to like hiring antiques under the mis-assumption that
>>>>>they will win races or generate huge publicity in the U.S. when in fact
>>>>>they will accomplish neither.
>>
>>>>>That roster that Ball has right now will have a tough time winning a
>>>>>single NRC event. They are all has-beens who suck unless they're
>>>>>bagging blood.
>>
>>>>>Magilla
>>
>>>>cipo not known for his insightful race strategy? so how do you win the
>>>>rainbow bands and not the gay ones that michael ball wears without
>>>>being half smart? 191 wins in a career that spans from 1989 to 2005
>>>>really speaks for itself.
>>
>>Hey dumbasses,
>>
>>You win 191 races by being a genetically superior athlete with more fast
>>twitch muscle fibers than anyone else. That's how.
>>
>>It has nothing to do with "superior race strategy."
>>
>>You people are ****ing morons.
>>
>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> okay picture this, you're barrelling down the finish straight at
> zolder, you have swung off at the correct time and 50m to go you get
> the guilts about beating robbie mcewen, just a little fella from
> australia and sit up. Why should you, Mario Cipollini one of the most
> recognisable faces in Europe, take all the glory? It's really not fair
> and you should give the little guys a go. And once you get home go
> blame your mum for encouraging you to train, blame both your parents
> for giving your physical characteristics and blame your teammates who
> want you to win so they get a cut of the prize hence the team part.
>
> Have you even raced beyond a coffee shop sprint? you can't ****ing
> well be for real.
>
> Really come on, no one is that stupid.

What is the point to all this diatribe? I can't figure out what exactly
it is you are trying to say.

Once I find that out, I will be able to bash your head in with a
formidible response.

Magilla

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 01:21 AM

In article <fngbl5$1m7$1@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> Black Range wrote:

> > okay picture this, you're barrelling down the finish straight at
> > zolder, you have swung off at the correct time and 50m to go you get
> > the guilts about beating robbie mcewen, just a little fella from
> > australia and sit up. Why should you, Mario Cipollini one of the most
> > recognisable faces in Europe, take all the glory? It's really not fair
> > and you should give the little guys a go. And once you get home go
> > blame your mum for encouraging you to train, blame both your parents
> > for giving your physical characteristics and blame your teammates who
> > want you to win so they get a cut of the prize hence the team part.
> >
> > Have you even raced beyond a coffee shop sprint? you can't ****ing
> > well be for real.
> >
> > Really come on, no one is that stupid.
>
>
> What is the point to all this diatribe? I can't figure out what exactly
> it is you are trying to say.
>
> Once I find that out, I will be able to bash your head in with a
> formidible response.

I think he's actually trying to equate Cipo's strength with "strategy." But it's
hard to tell.

--
tanx,
Howard

Now it's raining pitchforks and women,
But I've already got a pitchfork...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?