Taylor Phinney Article [Archive]

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:13 AM

Bret wrote:
> "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html

We'll see how Phinney does. As for winning junior worlds TT, I got 2
words for you: Jeff Evanshine. Danny Pate was the U-boat commander
world champion in the TT about 3 years ago and he never ended up living
up to the expectation.

All these age-graded categories are embarassing and really need to stop.
All they do is inflate results by dumbing-down the competition.

It makes me sick.

Do you see Major League Baseball conducting Little League World Series
at the same time as the MLB World Series and then extrapolating the
talents of the Little League winners to what they might do when they get
to the major leagues? NO.

What the **** happened to Jeff Evanshine, Magan Long, Tyler Farrar,
Danny Pate, Tom Danielson, and countless other riders who were
supposedly the next big thing simply because they won age-graded races?

Age-graded races are a disgrace, and their results mean jack.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:13 AM

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:13 AM

Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <61b01119-2148-4776-964a-74a0c05be2d7@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>> gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>> percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>> good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>> fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>
>> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> I really hope he gets some good guidance. His parents seem to be doing things the
> right way with respect to his participation.
>

I just watched him at the recent World Cup track cycling meet in LA.

Davis Phinney was there, and obviously excited. When I first saw him,
he was in the infield as Taylor got ready to start his race. My first
impression was how rock hard Davis' forearm looked. He gave me a smile,
so I said "Hi." Then I noticed his seemingly involuntary movements.

He headed for the stairs that give access from the infield to the track
surface, and I was worried. He had his camera, so he obviously wanted
to get a picture. I kept an eye on him, and he negotiated the stairs
both directions without holding the railing, still shaking, but OK.

I wish the kid the best (he seems to have what it takes), and his
parents, too!

That Velo News article has already reached my house in print form....

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

On Jan 25, 12:15*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bret wrote:
> > "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> > gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> > percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> > good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> > fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> We'll see how Phinney does. *As for winning junior worlds TT, I got 2
> words for you: Jeff Evanshine. *Danny Pate was the U-boat commander
> world champion in the TT about 3 years ago and he never ended up living
> up to the expectation.
>
> All these age-graded categories are embarassing and really need to stop.
> * All they do is inflate results by dumbing-down the competition.
>
> It makes me sick.
>
> Do you see Major League Baseball conducting Little League World Series
> at the same time as the MLB World Series and then extrapolating the
> talents of the Little League winners to what they might do when they get
> to the major leagues? *NO.
>
> What the **** happened to Jeff Evanshine, Magan Long, Tyler Farrar,
> Danny Pate, Tom Danielson, and countless other riders who were
> supposedly the next big thing simply because they won age-graded races?
>
> Age-graded races are a disgrace, and their results mean jack.
>
> Magilla

The World Cup and National Pursuit wins were not age graded.

unforgiven99@juno.com

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

On Jan 25, 2:15 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bret wrote:
> > "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> > gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> > percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> > good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> > fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> We'll see how Phinney does. As for winning junior worlds TT, I got 2
> words for you: Jeff Evanshine. Danny Pate was the U-boat commander
> world champion in the TT about 3 years ago and he never ended up living
> up to the expectation.
>
> All these age-graded categories are embarassing and really need to stop.
> All they do is inflate results by dumbing-down the competition.
>
> It makes me sick.
>
> Do you see Major League Baseball conducting Little League World Series
> at the same time as the MLB World Series and then extrapolating the
> talents of the Little League winners to what they might do when they get
> to the major leagues? NO.
>
> What the **** happened to Jeff Evanshine, Magan Long, Tyler Farrar,
> Danny Pate, Tom Danielson, and countless other riders who were
> supposedly the next big thing simply because they won age-graded races?
>
> Age-graded races are a disgrace, and their results mean jack.
>
> Magilla

Yeah, and remember about ten years back some kid, Fabian
Somethingorother, won a pair of back to back junior TT titles.
Haven't heard from him since.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

Bret wrote:

> On Jan 25, 12:15 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bret wrote:
>>
>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>
>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>
>>We'll see how Phinney does. As for winning junior worlds TT, I got 2
>>words for you: Jeff Evanshine. Danny Pate was the U-boat commander
>>world champion in the TT about 3 years ago and he never ended up living
>>up to the expectation.
>>
>>All these age-graded categories are embarassing and really need to stop.
>> All they do is inflate results by dumbing-down the competition.
>>
>>It makes me sick.
>>
>>Do you see Major League Baseball conducting Little League World Series
>>at the same time as the MLB World Series and then extrapolating the
>>talents of the Little League winners to what they might do when they get
>>to the major leagues? NO.
>>
>>What the **** happened to Jeff Evanshine, Magan Long, Tyler Farrar,
>>Danny Pate, Tom Danielson, and countless other riders who were
>>supposedly the next big thing simply because they won age-graded races?
>>
>>Age-graded races are a disgrace, and their results mean jack.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> The World Cup and National Pursuit wins were not age graded.

There are at least 30 active pros including guys like David Z. And Levi
L. who could kick the bile out of Phinney's pursuit time (as could Lance
anytime he wanted). But they simply elected not to race on the track
because it's a ****ing distraction from road racing.

Let's get this straight: there are no male equivalents of Leontien van
Moorsel.

Also, nobody who will win a medal in the pursuit in Beijing should be
ramping up now. It's way too early.

I know the way this story will finish: Phinney will get 5th in the
pursuit at Beijing and be offered some neo-pro contract with a domestic
pro team and you'll never hear of him again unless you look beyond 20th
place in NRC races. And then when the London Olympics come around in
2012, you'll read these same articles about Phinney trying to win the
gold medal in 2012.

**** the pursuit. The only reason anybody rides the event is because
it's an Olympic event and everybody and their uncle wants to go to the
Olympics (except for Floyd and Lance, of course).

This whole pursuit thing only exists because of the Olympics.
Otherwise, nobody gives a **** and the best pursuiters in the world
never even bother to race on the track.

I know Carl doesn't like to hear that, but it's the truth.

Magilla

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

On Jan 25, 1:30*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bret wrote:
> > On Jan 25, 12:15 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Bret wrote:
>
> >>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> >>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> >>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> >>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> >>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> >>We'll see how Phinney does. *As for winning junior worlds TT, I got 2
> >>words for you: Jeff Evanshine. *Danny Pate was the U-boat commander
> >>world champion in the TT about 3 years ago and he never ended up living
> >>up to the expectation.
>
> >>All these age-graded categories are embarassing and really need to stop.
> >> *All they do is inflate results by dumbing-down the competition.
>
> >>It makes me sick.
>
> >>Do you see Major League Baseball conducting Little League World Series
> >>at the same time as the MLB World Series and then extrapolating the
> >>talents of the Little League winners to what they might do when they get
> >>to the major leagues? *NO.
>
> >>What the **** happened to Jeff Evanshine, Magan Long, Tyler Farrar,
> >>Danny Pate, Tom Danielson, and countless other riders who were
> >>supposedly the next big thing simply because they won age-graded races?
>
> >>Age-graded races are a disgrace, and their results mean jack.
>
> >>Magilla
>
> > The World Cup and National Pursuit wins were not age graded.
>
> There are at least 30 active pros including guys like David Z. And Levi
> L. who could kick the bile out of Phinney's pursuit time (as could Lance
> anytime he wanted). *But they simply elected not to race on the track
> because it's a ****ing distraction from road racing.
>
> Let's get this straight: there are no male equivalents of Leontien van
> Moorsel.
>
> Also, nobody who will win a medal in the pursuit in Beijing should be
> ramping up now. *It's way too early.
>
> I know the way this story will finish: Phinney will get 5th in the
> pursuit at Beijing and be offered some neo-pro contract with a domestic
> pro team and you'll never hear of him again unless you look beyond 20th
> place in NRC races. *And then when the London Olympics come around in
> 2012, you'll read these same articles about Phinney trying to win the
> gold medal in 2012.
>
> **** the pursuit. * The only reason anybody rides the event is because
> it's an Olympic event and everybody and their uncle wants to go to the
> Olympics (except for Floyd and Lance, of course).
>
> This whole pursuit thing only exists because of the Olympics.
> Otherwise, nobody gives a **** and the best pursuiters in the world
> never even bother to race on the track.
>
> I know Carl doesn't like to hear that, but it's the truth.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You could be right, but I think this is more likely to turn out like
the very similar Contador thread:
http://tinyurl.com/2nq6yp

Bret

Bob Schwartz

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> **** the pursuit. The only reason anybody rides the event is because
> it's an Olympic event and everybody and their uncle wants to go to the
> Olympics (except for Floyd and Lance, of course).

Dude,

Sounds like you're carrying around a boatload of bitterness
over the whole thing about going faster in corners.

Bob Schwartz

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fndgsn$gmf$1@aioe.org...
>
> **** the pursuit. The only reason anybody rides the event is because
> it's an Olympic event and everybody and their uncle wants to go to the
> Olympics (except for Floyd and Lance, of course).
>
> This whole pursuit thing only exists because of the Olympics. Otherwise,
> nobody gives a **** and the best pursuiters in the world never even bother
> to race on the track.
>
> I know Carl doesn't like to hear that, but it's the truth.
>
>

Dude,

I've accepted that for about 20 years now and haven't tried to convince
anyone otherwise.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:15 AM

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> **** the pursuit. The only reason anybody rides the event is because
>> it's an Olympic event and everybody and their uncle wants to go to the
>> Olympics (except for Floyd and Lance, of course).
>
>
> Dude,
>
> Sounds like you're carrying around a boatload of bitterness
> over the whole thing about going faster in corners.
>
> Bob Schwartz

I said **** the pursuit and I meant it. There is no Carnival Cruise of
bitterness involved.

The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.

Magilla

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:16 AM

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>> **** the pursuit. The only reason anybody rides the event is
>>> because it's an Olympic event and everybody and their uncle wants to
>>> go to the Olympics (except for Floyd and Lance, of course).
>>
>>
>> Dude,
>>
>> Sounds like you're carrying around a boatload of bitterness
>> over the whole thing about going faster in corners.
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
>
> I said **** the pursuit and I meant it. There is no Carnival Cruise of
> bitterness involved.
>
> The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
> a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.
>
>
> Magilla

You seem to have some strong opinions about track racing. However,
they're just yours. You have our permission to keep further opinions on
this subject to yourself. As for Taylor Phinney, time will tell, as it
always does.

I love to watch track racing; I love to ride the track, too. I only
wish I could race it successfully!

ronaldo_jeremiah

01-04-1970, 01:16 AM

On Jan 25, 4:34*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. *Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
> a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.
>
> Magilla

Andy Hampsten rode the track at Junior Worlds. His event? The
pursuit. Let me know if you want the details, I just came across them
the other day when I was cleaning out my basement.

-rj

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:19 AM

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:

> On Jan 25, 4:34 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
>>a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Andy Hampsten rode the track at Junior Worlds. His event? The
> pursuit. Let me know if you want the details, I just came across them
> the other day when I was cleaning out my basement.
>
> -rj

Everybody makes mistakes as a teenager, including The Hamster.

Magilla

Bob Schwartz

01-04-1970, 01:19 AM

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On Jan 25, 4:34 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
>> a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.
>>
>> Magilla
>
> Andy Hampsten rode the track at Junior Worlds. His event? The
> pursuit. Let me know if you want the details, I just came across them
> the other day when I was cleaning out my basement.
>
> -rj

You're thinking Lemond (silver medal, 1979). Hampsten also took a
silver at Junior Worlds (1980, TTT).

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz

01-04-1970, 01:19 AM

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
>
>> On Jan 25, 4:34 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The velodrome is a gerbil wheel. Not even Andy Hamster rode it and he's
>>> a hamster, which is very close to a gerbil.
>>>
>>> Magilla
>>
>>
>> Andy Hampsten rode the track at Junior Worlds. His event? The
>> pursuit. Let me know if you want the details, I just came across them
>> the other day when I was cleaning out my basement.
>>
>> -rj
>
>
> Everybody makes mistakes as a teenager, including The Hamster.
>
> Magilla

It was Lemond. And it turned out OK. The key thing is to go
faster in the turns.

Bob Schwartz

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:19 AM

Scott

01-04-1970, 01:19 AM

On Jan 26, 10:22*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bret wrote:
> > "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> > gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> > percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> > good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> > fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>
> Magilla

Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)

If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
to the elite cats.

You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
the world.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:19 AM

Bret wrote:

> On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bret wrote:
>>
>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>
>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>
>>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> AFAIK, he was playing soccer in Italy until a few years ago when the
> family returned to Boulder.

In other words, he's been racing and riding his bike since he was 5.

Thanks,

Magilla

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:20 AM

On Jan 26, 11:28*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Bret wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Bret wrote:
>
> >>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> >>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> >>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> >>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> >>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> >>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> >>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>
> >>Magilla
>
> > AFAIK, he was playing soccer in Italy until a few years ago when the
> > family returned to Boulder.
>
> In other words, he's been racing and riding his bike since he was 5.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From what I've seen, most kids in Italy spend the day practicing
wheelies on their scooters.

Bret

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 01:20 AM

"Bret" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:da0bc610-d402-4dab-9b00-2449e4d61237@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> From what I've seen, most kids in Italy spend the day practicing
> wheelies on their scooters.

Where are you living right now Bret? When I was visiting France a few years
ago the thing that really shocked me was that I never saw a single
recreational cyclist until a couple of days before the finish of the Tour de
France in Paris. In a little more than a week in Burgundy I saw one cyclist
and he was a farmer heading out to his fields pulling a cart load of tools.

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:20 AM

On Jan 26, 1:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Bret" <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:da0bc610-d402-4dab-9b00-2449e4d61237@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > From what I've seen, most kids in Italy spend the day practicing
> > wheelies on their scooters.
>
> Where are you living right now Bret? When I was visiting France a few years
> ago the thing that really shocked me was that I never saw a single
> recreational cyclist until a couple of days before the finish of the Tour de
> France in Paris. In a little more than a week in Burgundy I saw one cyclist
> and he was a farmer heading out to his fields pulling a cart load of tools.

I've ridden in the French Alps, Pyrenees and Basque region and three
different areas of Provence. There were plenty of cyclists. Mont
Ventoux was teeming with cyclists when I was there. I can't say how
many of them were French. I kept running into people with full Postal
kits and riding Treks. A first I assumed they were Americans, but none
of them were. I spoke to a guy riding a Richard Sachs on top of the
Tourmalet. He was from Amsterdam.

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:22 AM

On Jan 26, 3:33*pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 26, 10:22*am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Bret wrote:
> > > "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> > > gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> > > percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> > > good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> > > fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> > >http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> > So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> > altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>
> > Magilla
>
> Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>
> If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
> riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
> years ago. *He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
> to the elite cats.
>
> You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
> shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
> parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. *All the difference in
> the world.

Dumbass -

It always warms my heart to see parents living vicariously through
their children.

<sarcasm off>

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:22 AM

Scott wrote:
> On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Bret wrote:
>>
>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>
>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>
>>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>
> If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
> riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
> years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
> to the elite cats.
>
> You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
> shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
> parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
> the world.

Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.

I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-*****?

The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.

Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.

Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
time trial, not Mari Holden.

**** the LA gerbil wheel.

Magilla

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

On Jan 26, 4:58*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Bret wrote:
>
> >>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> >>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> >>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> >>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> >>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> >>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> >>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>
> >>Magilla
>
> > Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>
> > If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
> > riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
> > years ago. *He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
> > to the elite cats.
>
> > You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
> > shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
> > parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. *All the difference in
> > the world.
>
> Everybody I brought up had parents. *It's an undisputed fact.
>
> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. *He won worlds and then he
> imploded. *What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
> to be the next big deal? *How about Roy Knickman? * What about Poppy-*****?
>
> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>
> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. *Most of the Olympic medal
> contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
> it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>
> I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
> Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. *All these early season world
> athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
> people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>
> Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
> Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
> Olympic year. *The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
> ****ing Olympics. *In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
> time trial, not Mari Holden.
>
> **** the LA gerbil wheel.

Dumbass -

That is all true.

Ya gotta admit though, a 17 year old riding a 4:24 is impressive.

I vote for doping and some TdF wins.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Scott

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

On Jan 26, 5:58*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Bret wrote:
>
> >>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> >>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> >>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> >>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> >>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> >>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> >>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>
> >>Magilla
>
> > Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>
> > If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
> > riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
> > years ago. *He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
> > to the elite cats.
>
> > You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
> > shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
> > parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. *All the difference in
> > the world.
>
> Everybody I brought up had parents. *It's an undisputed fact.
>
> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. *He won worlds and then he
> imploded. *What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
> to be the next big deal? *How about Roy Knickman? * What about Poppy-*****?
>
> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>
> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. *Most of the Olympic medal
> contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
> it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>
> I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
> Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. *All these early season world
> athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
> people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>
> Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
> Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
> Olympic year. *The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
> ****ing Olympics. *In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
> time trial, not Mari Holden.
>
> **** the LA gerbil wheel.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, everybody has/had parents. The point, dumbass, is they didn't
have HIS parents. He's in the perfect situation of having perhaps the
best possible genetics, he has supportive parents who are helping, but
not pushing, and he has a tight knit group of close friends who are
also very good cyclists.

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bret wrote:
>>>
>>>> "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>> gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>> percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>> good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>> fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>>
>>>> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>>
>>> So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>> altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>>
>>> Magilla
>>
>>
>> Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>>
>> If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>> riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>> years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>> to the elite cats.
>>
>> You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>> shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>> parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>> the world.
>
>
> Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>
> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-*****?
>
> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>
> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
> contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
> it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>
> I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing. Everything
> about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world athletic cup
> events dilutes their importance because few of the top people contest
> them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>
> Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
> Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
> Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
> ****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
> time trial, not Mari Holden.
>
> **** the LA gerbil wheel.
>
>
> Magilla

I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning"
session on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM.
Due to the unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was
rescheduled to begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the last
race still running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators for the
"evening" session were scheduled to be admitted.

So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an
Olympic year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't
check his facts.

It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup event.

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

In article <fngkvb$v74$1@aioe.org>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> Scott wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Bret wrote:
> >>
> >>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> >>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> >>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> >>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> >>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
> >>
> >>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
> >>
> >>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> >>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
> >>
> >>Magilla
> >
> >
> > Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
> >
> > If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
> > riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
> > years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
> > to the elite cats.
> >
> > You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
> > shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
> > parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
> > the world.
>
>
> Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>
> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-*****?
>
> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>
> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
> contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
> it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>
> I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
> Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
> athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
> people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>
> Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
> Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
> Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
> ****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
> time trial, not Mari Holden.
>
> **** the LA gerbil wheel.

It is good for a youngster to learn how to win.
Let it be where ever. If he is pummeled in the
top events, then there you are. It is easy to
bet the percentages and say he will become fodder.

--
Michael Press

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

KG wrote:

> On Jan 26, 4:58 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Bret wrote:
>>
>>>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>
>>>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>
>>>>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>>>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>
>>>>Magilla
>>
>>>Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>>
>>>If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>>>riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>>>years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>>>to the elite cats.
>>
>>>You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>>>shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>>>parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>>>the world.
>>
>>Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>>
>>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>>to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-*****?
>>
>>The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
>>Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>>
>>Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
>>like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
>>contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
>>it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>>
>>I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
>>Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
>>athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
>>people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>>
>>Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
>>Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
>>Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
>>****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
>>time trial, not Mari Holden.
>>
>>**** the LA gerbil wheel.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> That is all true.
>
> Ya gotta admit though, a 17 year old riding a 4:24 is impressive.
>
> I vote for doping and some TdF wins.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.

That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
and fast boards. A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.

So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.

Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. Phinney won't get
that much better.

I'm sure people are trying to convince him to skip college because of
his 4:24, but that's just a big mistake.

**** the gerbil wheel.

Magilla

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

On Jan 26, 6:21*pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> KG wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 4:58 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Scott wrote:
>
> >>>On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>Bret wrote:
>
> >>>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
> >>>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
> >>>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
> >>>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
> >>>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>
> >>>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>
> >>>>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
> >>>>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>
> >>>>Magilla
>
> >>>Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>
> >>>If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
> >>>riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
> >>>years ago. *He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
> >>>to the elite cats.
>
> >>>You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
> >>>shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
> >>>parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. *All the difference in
> >>>the world.
>
> >>Everybody I brought up had parents. *It's an undisputed fact.
>
> >>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. *He won worlds and then he
> >>imploded. *What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
> >>to be the next big deal? *How about Roy Knickman? * What about Poppy-*****?
>
> >>The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
> >>Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>
> >>Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
> >>like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. *Most of the Olympic medal
> >>contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
> >>it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>
> >>I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
> >>Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. *All these early season world
> >>athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
> >>people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>
> >>Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
> >>Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
> >>Olympic year. *The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
> >>****ing Olympics. *In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
> >>time trial, not Mari Holden.
>
> >>**** the LA gerbil wheel.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > That is all true.
>
> > Ya gotta admit though, a 17 year old riding a 4:24 is impressive.
>
> > I vote for doping and some TdF wins.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
>
> That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
> and fast boards. *A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
> 4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.
>
> So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.
>
> Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. * Phinney won't get
> that much better.

Dumbass -

Boardman did it in Superman position. He couldn't do anything near
that in a normal aero position.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

amit.ghosh@gmail.com

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

On Jan 26, 9:21 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@
>
> That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
> and fast boards. A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
> 4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.

ekimov also rode fast pursuits and people thought he would win the
tour.

but that said 4:24 is a fast time if you look at other times on that
track. when the worlds were in LA bartko won the gold with about a
4:25 and 4:45 would also have won the gold in barcelona (boardman rode
about a 4:25 in qualifying).

ekimov didn't win the tour, but he was a solid pro for two decades.

but the lesson here for all the dreamers: if you've been racing for
more than a year and can't drop the entire field at a local race you
will not ride in the protour.

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fngpqc$di6$1@aioe.org...
>
> So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.
>
> Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. Phinney won't get
> that much better.

I'm not disagreeing with you about TP, but Boardman rode what was a world
record in '92 with a 4:23. Who would have predicted that he could (with
partial thanks to Obree) drop another 12 seconds?

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:23 AM

amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 26, 9:21 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@
>> That 4:24 was on an indoor velodrome with no wind and ideal temperature
>> and fast boards. A lot of guys in their young twenties could do a sub
>> 4:20 over 4 years ago on an outdoor velodrome with wind.
>
> ekimov also rode fast pursuits and people thought he would win the
> tour.
>
> but that said 4:24 is a fast time if you look at other times on that
> track. when the worlds were in LA bartko won the gold with about a
> 4:25 and 4:45 would also have won the gold in barcelona (boardman rode
> about a 4:25 in qualifying).
>
> ekimov didn't win the tour, but he was a solid pro for two decades.
>
> but the lesson here for all the dreamers: if you've been racing for
> more than a year and can't drop the entire field at a local race you
> will not ride in the protour.

They say the LA track is getting faster as the wood surface ages. I
just heard Roger Young (track director) say that to some visitors, but I
don't know whether it's true.

The Kilo record there is a 1:01.2; this year, the winner did a 1:02
point something.

ronaldo_jeremiah

01-04-1970, 01:24 AM

On Jan 26, 10:25*pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
>
> You're thinking Lemond (silver medal, 1979). Hampsten also took a
> silver at Junior Worlds (1980, TTT).
>
> Bob Schwartz

No, I'm not. Hampsten rode the pursuit in 1980 at the Junior Worlds
in Mexico City. He rode 3:40 for 3K.

The pacing of his ride is reviewed in detail in a track training
manual written by Norman Sheil.

-rj

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:24 AM

Scott wrote:

> On Jan 26, 5:58 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Bret wrote:
>>
>>>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>
>>>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>
>>>>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>>>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>
>>>>Magilla
>>
>>>Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>>
>>>If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>>>riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>>>years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>>>to the elite cats.
>>
>>>You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>>>shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>>>parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>>>the world.
>>
>>Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>>
>>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>>to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-*****?
>>
>>The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
>>Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>>
>>Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
>>like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
>>contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
>>it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>>
>>I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
>>Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
>>athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
>>people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>>
>>Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
>>Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
>>Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
>>****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
>>time trial, not Mari Holden.
>>
>>**** the LA gerbil wheel.
>>
>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Yeah, everybody has/had parents. The point, dumbass, is they didn't
> have HIS parents. He's in the perfect situation of having perhaps the
> best possible genetics, he has supportive parents who are helping, but
> not pushing, and he has a tight knit group of close friends who are
> also very good cyclists.

The best possible genetics?

Lance's parents never even rode a bike. As far as genetics go for
Taylor Phinney, when will he start showing symptoms of MS?

Taylor Phinney will in all likelihood ride himself into oblivion based
upon the laws of statistical probabilities. His parents should be
supporting him to go to college and stop aimlessly riding around in
circles on a gerbil wheel.

The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
slightest glimpse of talent.

Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor Phinney....there's
a pattern of writing checks you can't cover with these predictions.

Thanks,

Magilla

Bob Schwartz

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> On Jan 26, 10:25 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
>> You're thinking Lemond (silver medal, 1979). Hampsten also took a
>> silver at Junior Worlds (1980, TTT).
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
>
> No, I'm not. Hampsten rode the pursuit in 1980 at the Junior Worlds
> in Mexico City. He rode 3:40 for 3K.
>
> The pacing of his ride is reviewed in detail in a track training
> manual written by Norman Sheil.

Sho' nuf, page 66.

The results listing in the back: http://www.cvccbike.com/7-11gp/ip.html
doesn't even show him.

Bob Schwartz

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
>> On Jan 26, 5:58 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Bret wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>>>> gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>>>> percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>>>> good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>>>> fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>>
>>>>> So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>>>> altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>>
>>>>> Magilla
>>>
>>>> Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>>>
>>>> If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>>>> riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>>>> years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>>>> to the elite cats.
>>>
>>>> You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>>>> shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>>>> parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>>>> the world.
>>>
>>> Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>>>
>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>> Poppy-*****?
>>>
>>> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
>>> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>>>
>>> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
>>> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
>>> contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
>>> it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>>>
>>> I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
>>> Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
>>> athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
>>> people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>>>
>>> Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
>>> Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
>>> Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
>>> ****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
>>> time trial, not Mari Holden.
>>>
>>> **** the LA gerbil wheel.
>>>
>>> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> Yeah, everybody has/had parents. The point, dumbass, is they didn't
>> have HIS parents. He's in the perfect situation of having perhaps the
>> best possible genetics, he has supportive parents who are helping, but
>> not pushing, and he has a tight knit group of close friends who are
>> also very good cyclists.
>
>
> The best possible genetics?
>
> Lance's parents never even rode a bike. As far as genetics go for
> Taylor Phinney, when will he start showing symptoms of MS?
>
> Taylor Phinney will in all likelihood ride himself into oblivion based
> upon the laws of statistical probabilities. His parents should be
> supporting him to go to college and stop aimlessly riding around in
> circles on a gerbil wheel.
>
> The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
> nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
> slightest glimpse of talent.
>
> Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor Phinney....there's
> a pattern of writing checks you can't cover with these predictions.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla

Isn't the jury still out on three of the four you named above?

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fniami$5va$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>>If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>>>>riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>>>>years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>>>>to the elite cats.
>>>
>>>>You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>>>>shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>>>>parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>>>>the world.
>>>
>>>Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.

After the WC in Oz, a friend of mine emailed me and asked about TP. I didn't
know much so I googled. He and Davis rode the 50 mile version of Tour of
Tucson in 2000 when Taylor was 10 years old.
http://perimeterbicycling.com/!ETT/ETT00-50.htm Didn't win of course, but it
would be a stretch to classify a 10 year old presumably traveling 800 miles
to ride a 50 mile event as "very recreationally at best".

>>>
>>>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>>imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>>>to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>>Poppy-*****?

As we both know, Evanshine didn't just win Jr Worlds then implode. There
were signs of trouble along the way. I was perepheral to the situation, but
IIRC his parents were a bit overindulgent and he was lacking some discipline
that he should have been able to acquire in the military.

FWIW, how many "next big deals" can you reasonably expect to actually turn
out to be a true "big deal"? All of them? Of course not. Your measure for
(other people's) success is an incredibly harsh one. How close have have you
come to meeting your own standards?

>>>
>>>The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
>>>Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>>>
>>>Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
>>>like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado.

It is? Who didn't show up for Jr Worlds that was eligible and competitive?

>>>Most of the Olympic medal
>>>contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
>>>it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.

Time? Maybe.
Money? Why should they care? It's not their dime.
Emotions? You're joking, right?

>
> The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
> nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
> slightest glimpse of talent.
>
> Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor Phinney....there's a
> pattern of writing checks you can't cover with these predictions.

Evanshine was a SoCal guy.

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

"Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:479cb5b0$0$29971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning" session
> on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM. Due to the
> unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was rescheduled to
> begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the last race still
> running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators for the "evening"
> session were scheduled to be admitted.
>
> So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an Olympic
> year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't check his
> facts.
>
> It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
> event.

Colin,

Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top tier
riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of reasons:
riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they may (as noted
by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training cycle that is not
conducive to travel or a particular training block (it was six weeks out
from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify additional spots for
Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for experience development.

Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with the
expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the world cups.

Kurgan Gringioni

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

On Jan 27, 11:21*am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Colin Campbell" <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>
> news:479cb5b0$0$29971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> > I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. *I worked the "morning" session
> > on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM. Due to the
> > unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was rescheduled to
> > begin at 9AM. *I left the "morning" session with the last race still
> > running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators for the "evening"
> > session were scheduled to be admitted.
>
> > So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an Olympic
> > year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't check his
> > facts.
>
> > It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
> > event.
>
> Colin,
>
> Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top tier
> riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of reasons:
> riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they may (as noted
> by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training cycle that is not
> conducive to travel or a particular training block (it was six weeks out
> from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify additional spots for
> Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for experience development.
>
> Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with the
> expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the world cups.

Have you ever ridden on a track before? From what I can gather, it
doesn't seem like you have.

thanks,

John Hansen

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:479cb5b0$0$29971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>
>> I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning"
>> session on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM.
>> Due to the unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was
>> rescheduled to begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the
>> last race still running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators
>> for the "evening" session were scheduled to be admitted.
>>
>> So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an
>> Olympic year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't
>> check his facts.
>>
>> It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
>> event.
>
>
> Colin,
>
> Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top
> tier riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of
> reasons: riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they
> may (as noted by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training
> cycle that is not conducive to travel or a particular training block (it
> was six weeks out from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify
> additional spots for Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for
> experience development.
>
> Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with
> the expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the
> world cups.

If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard
right now. It's simply too early.

If you are going hard now, you are risking burnout or stagnation by
August.

Trust me, Phinney will not medal in Beijing and then he - and all his
vicarious phans in here - will have another 4 years to think about how
the gorilla called it right once again.

Until you can show me photos of Jack Nicholson or Demi Moore sitting in
the stands at the Home Depot track in LA, it's just an indoor gerbil
wheel outside the city limits of LA to keep the leprosy from infecting
the chosen people of that area: celebrities.

The problem with Americans is they get retarded about the Olympics and
they get even more retarded about thinking Americsn are better athletes
than they really are. Taylor Phinney will pull a Bode Miller at the
Olympics, except he won't have any endorsements from Nike to fall back on.

Mark my great ape words,

Magilla

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:25 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:479cb5b0$0$29971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning"
>> session on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM.
>> Due to the unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was
>> rescheduled to begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the
>> last race still running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators
>> for the "evening" session were scheduled to be admitted.
>>
>> So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an
>> Olympic year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't
>> check his facts.
>>
>> It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
>> event.
>
> Colin,
>
> Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top
> tier riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of
> reasons: riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they
> may (as noted by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training
> cycle that is not conducive to travel or a particular training block (it
> was six weeks out from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify
> additional spots for Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for
> experience development.
>
> Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with
> the expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the
> world cups.

All valid points. I always think how much it would cost to get to all
four World Cup track meets. When we had to go to the velodrome for
volunteer orientation, two weeks before the WC, the Polish National Team
was already there. They participated in the local races that day,
leaving only crumbs for the local racers. Where does Poland get the
money for something like three weeks (or longer, I don't know when the
Poles arrived) out of the country? I know the Euro is strong, but....

I'd have to check, but I think the French and Germans, among others,
brought their best riders to LA.

Colin Campbell

01-04-1970, 01:26 AM

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> On Jan 27, 11:21 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Colin Campbell" <cmca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:479cb5b0$0$29971$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was a volunteer at the World Cup in LA. I worked the "morning" session
>>> on Friday, which was originally scheduled to begin at 11:30AM. Due to the
>>> unprecedented number of riders registered, that session was rescheduled to
>>> begin at 9AM. I left the "morning" session with the last race still
>>> running at 5:40PM, twenty minutes before spectators for the "evening"
>>> session were scheduled to be admitted.
>>> So I believe your rant about very few showing up, even fewer in an Olympic
>>> year, can be discounted as the ravings of someone who doesn't check his
>>> facts.
>>> It is true that some of the British sprinters skipped this World Cup
>>> event.
>> Colin,
>>
>> Don't overlap quantity with quality. As you noted, not all of the top tier
>> riders participated in the event. That can be for a number of reasons:
>> riders may have a contractual obligation to be elsewhere, they may (as noted
>> by the emotionally track-conflicted MG) be in a training cycle that is not
>> conducive to travel or a particular training block (it was six weeks out
>> from Worlds), national teams may be trying to qualify additional spots for
>> Worlds, or teams may be sending riders for experience development.
>>
>> Also, I tend to think that the world cups were designed partially with the
>> expectation that not all top tier riders would attend all of the world cups.
>
>
>
> Have you ever ridden on a track before? From what I can gather, it
> doesn't seem like you have.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> John Hansen

Has Carl Sundquist ever ridden the track? Maybe you'd better go to
USACycling.org and do a search on his name. If my memory is correct, I
watched him take a victory lap (at Blaine Minn.?) laying on his stomach
on the saddle, feet straight out behind him, and pedaling with one hand
while steering with the other. (What is that event called, anyway, Carl?)

Have _I_ ever ridden the track? Yes, since 1991, when I was a mere
stripling of 48. I've never distinguished myself, except by losing races.

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:26 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fniu04$b9l$1@aioe.org...
>
> If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
> Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard right
> now. It's simply too early.

There are two problems with his "ramp-up": He doesn't know what his limits
or expectations (time-wise) are. Since this is all new to him, it's
difficult to establish realistic time goals for him. His handlers can
predict that the fastest time will probably be in the 4:14 to 4:16 range,
but they have no idea how close he can get to that in the next 6 months or
the best way to get him there. Next year he will have a far better defined
baseline from which to draw up goals and training regimens.

>
> If you are going hard now, you are risking burnout or stagnation by
> August.

You're right, but in an atypical way. TP has no idea what he is -or isn't-
capable of. That can work in his favor. However, it also means that without
a baseline it's exceedingly difficult to fine tune his optimal performance
and errors of mis-coaching would be likely be more costly.

>
> Trust me, Phinney will not medal in Beijing and then he - and all his
> vicarious phans in here - will have another 4 years to think about how the
> gorilla called it right once again.

Has anyone in here posted that they believe that he will medal?

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 01:26 AM

In article <fniu04$b9l$1@aioe.org>,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:

> Taylor Phinney will pull a Bode Miller at the
> Olympics, except he won't have any endorsements from Nike to fall back on.
>
> Mark my great ape words,

Marked, and you are wrong, wrong, wrong. This is Bode Miller.

³It does matter that it¹s the Olympics. I just did it
my way. I¹m not a martyr, and I¹m not a do-gooder. I
just want to go out and rock. And man, I rocked here.²

People said, ŒWhy can¹t you stay in for the two weeks,
three weeks? You¹ve got the rest of your life to
experience the games the way everybody else does.¹ But
I like the whole package. I always have.²

³People want athletes to cater to their image of what
an athlete should be, but they also want them to fail
so they can feel like their screwups are all right. If
I make a priority shift, I¹ll make it because it¹s best
for me.²

³The same people who recognize I came out with no
medals should recognize I could have won three.²

Q: Are performance-enhancing drugs hurting sports?

A: What do you call aspirin? What do you call Creatine?
What do you call vitamin C? Those are all the same
thing. It's not any different than anything else. I
don't know why everybody takes issue with [steroids].

I think they should not worry about it and let athletes
do what they want to do - to be in proper training,
proper diet. I wish the most performance-enhancing
stuff on everybody in their life. I would wish you to
enhance your performance as much as you could.
Something that kills or causes bodily harm, that's not
performance-enhancing

Q: So you never worried that your competitors in skiing
could be taking something and have on edge on you?

A: Couldn't care less. It doesn't matter to me.

--
Michael Press

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:26 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fngpqc$di6$1@aioe.org...
>
>>
>> So I'm not sure how impressed I should really be.
>>
>> Boardman rode a 4:11 and that was over 12 years ago. Phinney won't
>> get that much better.
>
>
> I'm not disagreeing with you about TP, but Boardman rode what was a
> world record in '92 with a 4:23. Who would have predicted that he could
> (with partial thanks to Obree) drop another 12 seconds?

Anybdy who wants to win an Olympic medal better be going faster than the
blokes from Barcelona.

Ceramic bearings, more extensive wind tunnel testing, living at altitude
....Taylor Phinney has a lot of advantages over Boardman.

I figure a pursuiter will need to do a 4:15 or better to win a medal in
Beijing.

Plus if Phinney plans on going sober to Chinatown, he won't be able to
top the EPO and blood dopers. Somebody needs to inform Phinney that the
Spanish and Aussie track team didn't sign up for ACE testing. So while
that looks fine and dandy to Anorexic Drew Carey and Team High Horse, it
won't let you hear your national anthem in August while wearing a crown
of thorns.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/51197106.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A670BC9C5F6394B23C A96D640C844286CF

Thanks,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Michael Press wrote:

> In article <fngkvb$v74$1@aioe.org>,
> MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 26, 10:22 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bret wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"That kid is on a whole other level at 17 years old. He's truly
>>>>>gifted. He's doing things right now, today, off the couch, that 90
>>>>>percent of the world's population would never attain no matter how
>>>>>good the training. He's another species. He's neither slow-twitch nor
>>>>>fast-twitch, he's 'all-twitch.'"
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/13945.0.html
>>>>
>>>>So Allen Lim consider a guy who has been racing and riding a bike at
>>>>altitude for the past 12 years to be someone who is "off the couch."
>>>>
>>>>Magilla
>>>
>>>
>>>Dumbass (hey, that felt good, I called him a dumbass)
>>>
>>>If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>>>riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>>>years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>>>to the elite cats.
>>>
>>>You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>>>shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>>>parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>>>the world.
>>
>>
>>Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>>
>>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>>to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about Poppy-*****?
>>
>>The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
>>Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>>
>>Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
>>like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado. Most of the Olympic medal
>>contenders for the pursuit don't even want to be good right now because
>>it's a waste of time, money, and emotions.
>>
>>I am confident Phinney will be outside the medals in Beijing.
>>Everything about his ramp-up is wrong. All these early season world
>>athletic cup events dilutes their importance because few of the top
>>people contest them and even fewer show up in an Olympic year.
>>
>>Phinney winning a World Athletic Cup pursuit in an Olympic year is like
>>Mari Holden winning the world championship in the time trial in an
>>Olympic year. The real world championships in an Olympic year is the
>>****ing Olympics. In 2000, van Moorsel was the world chammpion in the
>>time trial, not Mari Holden.
>>
>>**** the LA gerbil wheel.
>
>
> It is good for a youngster to learn how to win.
> Let it be where ever. If he is pummeled in the
> top events, then there you are. It is easy to
> bet the percentages and say he will become fodder.
>

Winning cheap and easy is what did in Magen Long and is what defines
junior racing. It's bad because it teaches riders to expect victories
to come fast and easy when in fact victories in the elite ranks are rare
and hard to come by.

Junior racing is a form of child prostitution and should be treated as a
federal crime.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fniu04$b9l$1@aioe.org...
>
>>
>> If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
>> Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard
>> right now. It's simply too early.
>
>
> There are two problems with his "ramp-up": He doesn't know what his
> limits or expectations (time-wise) are. Since this is all new to him,
> it's difficult to establish realistic time goals for him. His handlers
> can predict that the fastest time will probably be in the 4:14 to 4:16
> range, but they have no idea how close he can get to that in the next 6
> months or the best way to get him there. Next year he will have a far
> better defined baseline from which to draw up goals and training regimens.
>

Next year isn't the Olympics though. And 4 years is an awful long time
to have to wait to ride in circles again on TV.

If Phinney doesn't win a medal in Beijing this year, he's gonna implode
once Doug Ellis decides to pull his Wall Street money from that sinkhole
Slipsemen.

Maybe he can write children's books like Erin Mirabella?

Thanks,

Magilla

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
news:lu8nj.11571$M24.4715@newsfe17.lga...
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>>>imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was suppose
>>>>to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>>>Poppy-*****?

BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
think about Grewal.

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fniami$5va$1@aioe.org...
>
>>>>
>>>>> If you knew anything at all about mini-Phinney, you'd know he'd been
>>>>> riding very recreationally at best up until he started racing two
>>>>> years ago. He's been kicking ass and taking names since stepping up
>>>>> to the elite cats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You can bring up Evanshine or whomever you want as an example of a
>>>>> shining star that faded away, but none of the folks you bring up had
>>>>> parents, or a support structure, like Taylor. All the difference in
>>>>> the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everybody I brought up had parents. It's an undisputed fact.
>
>
> After the WC in Oz, a friend of mine emailed me and asked about TP. I
> didn't know much so I googled. He and Davis rode the 50 mile version of
> Tour of Tucson in 2000 when Taylor was 10 years old.
> http://perimeterbicycling.com/!ETT/ETT00-50.htm Didn't win of course,
> but it would be a stretch to classify a 10 year old presumably traveling
> 800 miles to ride a 50 mile event as "very recreationally at best".
>
>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
>>>> suppose
>>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>>> Poppy-*****?
>
>
> As we both know, Evanshine didn't just win Jr Worlds then implode. There
> were signs of trouble along the way. I was perepheral to the situation,
> but IIRC his parents were a bit overindulgent and he was lacking some
> discipline that he should have been able to acquire in the military.
>
> FWIW, how many "next big deals" can you reasonably expect to actually
> turn out to be a true "big deal"? All of them? Of course not. Your
> measure for (other people's) success is an incredibly harsh one. How
> close have have you come to meeting your own standards?

Evanshine implosion began after he missed the random dope test after the
Freehold race in June of 1992. Him and his Greg LeMond-like
narcicisstic dad raised Caine with USAC but it did no good and he was
excluded from qualifying for the Barcelona road team. Although he went
on to ride with Saturn, Evanshine never recovered from that Olympic
exclusion and he ultimately quit the sport over it.

The reality is Evanshine's win at junior worlds road was never
indicative of his actual talent relative to all the other top pros.
Winning junior worlds was a false indicator of talent but because he was
from Colorado and American, Evenshine and his camp had it in their
myopic minds that you coud extrapolate a future of gold medals and Tour
de France stuffed lions from that one lucky day in Colorado.

The reality is junior worlds is a bull**** race that means nothing.
Eventually, reality spoiled his delusion.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fniami$5va$1@aioe.org...

>
> Time? Maybe.
> Money? Why should they care? It's not their dime.
> Emotions? You're joking, right?
>
>>

I don't joke.

Every cyclist - or athlete - only has x-amount of emotion and passion in
him or her. Everytime you expend so-called "super-motivation" in
competition or in the training regimen leading up to a big competition,
the neural laws of adaptation tell you that it will take more passion to
elicit the same energetic response. That's why older riders get stale
and lose their passion (i.e. emotion).

That's also why every guy gets tired of ****ing their girl.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fniami$5va$1@aioe.org...
>
>> The problem with you people who live in Colorado is you're all so
>> nearsighted and you inflate the future of everybody who shows even the
>> slightest glimpse of talent.
>>
>> Tom Danielson, Katie Compton, Jeff Evanshine, Taylor
>> Phinney....there's a pattern of writing checks you can't cover with
>> these predictions.
>
>
> Evanshine was a SoCal guy.

Evinrude was weaned on the mother nipple of Colorado Springs.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fniami$5va$1@aioe.org...
>
>>>>
>>>> The fact is if mini-Phinney grows up and tries to ride clean on
>>>> Slipsemen with Anorexic Drew Carey, he will ride himself into oblivion.
>>>>
>>>> Winning a World Athletic Cup event on the TRACK in the U.S. is a lot
>>>> like Evanshine winning worlds in Colorado.
>
>
> It is? Who didn't show up for Jr Worlds that was eligible and competitive?
>

Lots of guys who go on to be top pros do not race as juniors or simply
don't ride seriously as juniors.

Evanshine was merely the biggest fish in a small pond. Junior racing is
an illusion; it has shallow competition and top talent rarely rises to
the top in the junior ranks. Michael Jordan wasn't a stand-out
basketball player when he was under 18.

If you don't believe me that junior palmares are bogus, just ask Magen
Long.

She was the most decorated junior women in the history of the United
States, and quit the sport by her 21st birthday (once she found out all
those trophies she collected in her closet were meaningless and based on
dumbed-down junior competition).

Magilla

MagillaGorilla

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:

>
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:lu8nj.11571$M24.4715@newsfe17.lga...
>
>>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
>>>>> suppose
>>>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>>>> Poppy-*****?
>
>
> BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
> imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
> think about Grewal.

Well, Grewal went all God and **** because he got his ass handed to him
when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher
than an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold
medal in a meaningless race was blown out of proportion.

Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to
haunt them.

Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even
when he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years
after that.

Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.

Magilla

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

"Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:479d182d$0$6122$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> All valid points. I always think how much it would cost to get to all
> four World Cup track meets. When we had to go to the velodrome for
> volunteer orientation, two weeks before the WC, the Polish National Team
> was already there. They participated in the local races that day, leaving
> only crumbs for the local racers. Where does Poland get the money for
> something like three weeks (or longer, I don't know when the Poles
> arrived) out of the country? I know the Euro is strong, but....
>
> I'd have to check, but I think the French and Germans, among others,
> brought their best riders to LA.

It's not free of course, but you have to look at it like travel for a
moderate sized business, not four family vacations. As a business entity,
they will get special discounts for certain aspects of travel. Regarding
room and board, frequently the race organizer has made special arrangements,
either discount or gratis. Sometimes this can also include dining
arrangements, such as an institutional cafeteria. Also (I don't know if
every country operates in a like fashion), events/travel/training can be
subsidized by the national Olympic committee if a direct link between that
event (like an Olympic qualifier) and the Olympics can be shown.

Also, as I mentioned before, I don't think the UCI expected every country
(top rider) to participate in every single WC. The US certainly doesn't send
a full team to ride every event at each WC.

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

"Colin Campbell" <cmcampb@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:479d1a87$0$6147$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Has Carl Sundquist ever ridden the track? Maybe you'd better go to
> USACycling.org and do a search on his name. If my memory is correct, I
> watched him take a victory lap (at Blaine Minn.?) laying on his stomach on
> the saddle, feet straight out behind him, and pedaling with one hand while
> steering with the other. (What is that event called, anyway, Carl?)
>
> Have _I_ ever ridden the track? Yes, since 1991, when I was a mere
> stripling of 48. I've never distinguished myself, except by losing races.

It's an old rbr joke. John Hansen, aka Hansen Brother #1, once asked Shaun
Wallace if he had ever ridden a fixed gear.

BTW, I held the handlebar with both hands and coasted. I never tried to hold
it with one hand and pedal with the other. Would have been cool though.

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fnj8om$d8t$1@aioe.org...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fniami$5va$1@aioe.org...
>
>
>>
>> Time? Maybe.
>> Money? Why should they care? It's not their dime.
>> Emotions? You're joking, right?
>>
>>>
>
>
> I don't joke.
>
> Every cyclist - or athlete - only has x-amount of emotion and passion in
> him or her. Everytime you expend so-called "super-motivation" in
> competition or in the training regimen leading up to a big competition,
> the neural laws of adaptation tell you that it will take more passion to
> elicit the same energetic response. That's why older riders get stale and
> lose their passion (i.e. emotion).
>
> That's also why every guy gets tired of ****ing their girl.
>
> Magilla

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Every cyclist - or athlete - only has x-amount of emotion and passion in
> him or her. Everytime you expend so-called "super-motivation" in
> competition or in the training regimen leading up to a big competition,
> the neural laws of adaptation tell you that it will take more passion to
> elicit the same energetic response. That's why older riders get stale and
> lose their passion (i.e. emotion).
>
> That's also why every guy gets tired of ****ing their girl.

A change is as good as a holiday.

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fnj99d$er4$1@aioe.org...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
>>
>> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:lu8nj.11571$M24.4715@newsfe17.lga...
>>
>>>
>>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
>>>>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
>>>>>> suppose
>>>>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
>>>>>> Poppy-*****?
>>
>>
>> BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
>> imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
>> think about Grewal.
>
>
> Well, Grewal went all God and **** because he got his ass handed to him
> when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher than
> an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold medal in a
> meaningless race was blown out of proportion.
>
> Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to haunt
> them.
>
> Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even when
> he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years after that.
>
> Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.
>
> Magilla
>

Bret

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

On Jan 27, 5:57 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:lu8nj.11571$M24.4715@newsfe17.lga...
>
> >> "MagillaGorilla" <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>> I would like to bring up Evanshine again. He won worlds and then he
> >>>>> imploded. What ever happened to Tyler Farrar - I thought he was
> >>>>> suppose
> >>>>> to be the next big deal? How about Roy Knickman? What about
> >>>>> Poppy-*****?
>
> > BTW, I don't think you can classify any of your other three as having
> > imploded. IMO, if you want to add another person who imploded, you might
> > think about Grewal.
>
> Well, Grewal went all God and **** because he got his ass handed to him
> when he went over to Europe and realized that Euro-racing was tougher
> than an all-amateur BOYCOTTED Olympics. Once again, winning a gold
> medal in a meaningless race was blown out of proportion.
>
> Athletes have too many yes-people around them, and it comes back to
> haunt them.
>
> Grewal kind of just faded away...I'm not sure he ever imploded. Even
> when he got kicked off the 7-Eleven team, he rode for several years
> after that.
>
> Whereas Evinrude just up and quit one day.
>
> Magilla

Dumbass,

What stopped Grewal was rolling his jeep in James Canyon. He never
fully recovered from the injuries.

Bret

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 01:27 AM

"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
news:fnjahl$i6v$1@aioe.org...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
>>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fniu04$b9l$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>>
>>> If you are ramping up for the grand pooh-bah event of your lifetime -
>>> Beijing Olympics in August....you would never want to be going hard
>>> right now. It's simply too early.
>>
>>
>> There are two problems with his "ramp-up": He doesn't know what his
>> limits or expectations (time-wise) are. Since this is all new to him,
>> it's difficult to establish realistic time goals for him. His handlers
>> can predict that the fastest time will probably be in the 4:14 to 4:16
>> range, but they have no idea how close he can get to that in the next 6