Re: Hub Gears: no need to scoffjaw the warranty

[Edward Dolan]

<dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 31, 1:18 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:

[Quotation marks are messed up, so I will supply my own.]

> However, for a recumbent bicycle, that wide gearing range is not at all
> unreasonable, but nearer to a necessity.

Bents and climbing don't mix well, in other words.

>> Dust has really get that part right!

> The proper climbing technique
> on a recumbent bicycle is unlike that for an upright bicycle, where the
> preferred climbing technique of many is to stand and pedal at a
> relatively low cadence, while pulling on the handlebars to increase
> one's "effective" weight.

Nice try. Upright riders can sit or stand and easily switch back and
forth. Bent riders can't.

>> Bent riders are like potted plants.

> The (performance oriented) recumbent will also descend faster (snip)

"Also"? Where did "also" come from? 120rpm in a 15" gear? Isn't that
right about stall speed for you guys?

>> Many bent riders go downhill too fast and suffer the consequences.

> (where
> tight corners or rough surfaces do not limit speed too severely) than
> the upright.

I agree that in the real world, on real streets with potholes and
tight corners, uprights are safer to ride than bents (just sending a
little rhetoric back at you, there).

>> Bent riders need to slow down when the road gets rough.

> In particular, on a frontally or fully faired recumbent,
> the rider can pedal without increasing drag, so a very high gear can be
> used while going downhill.

The proselytizing gets old, Tom.

We all know about wind resistance and bents and all that stuff. OK?
Oh, and "comfort". Well, I've tried a bent, I didn't feel very
comfortable <g>. Sure enough, the next guy had to go around the
parking lot a little faster to show me up, and he crashed. Whoops!
Truth be told, that was on a short-wheelbase prototype (lots of
prototypes in the bent world, from my brief lookings, btw).

>> Fully faired recumbents are a pain in the neck. Mostly they don't work
>> very well.

We had a semi-regular bent rider on the Wednesday night "Tour of the
Inner Loop" in Houston (Planetary Bicycles, 6:00) and two or three
others who were occasionals. No problems here, but no thanks, either.
Not for riding on real roads, anyhow.

>> "Bent riders need to slow down when the road gets rough." - Ed Dolan

BTW, from what I've seen, the problem with mixing bents and bicycles
isn't wheelbase or profile (or slowing down on hills), it wobbling.
Does everyone wobble, or just the three or four guys I've ridden with?

>> The slower you go on any bike, the more you wobble.

(Don't get me wrong dept.): If you haven't "heard" me say before,
"there's a bent in everyone's future"-- kind of a parallel to your
"failure" thing in your sig. But, at 58-1/2 (three quarters,
actually), with a bad back, arthritis in the hands, and a difficulty
with one of the saddle contact areas (doing much better, thanks), I'm
not there yet.

>> Hang in there Dust - you will end up on a recumbent yet with all your
>> ailments.

Few bents are seen here in Austin, compared to bicycles. As in, you go
to a larger group ride, non-racer groups such as the esteemed ACA
weekend rides, you don't see a bent very often at all.

>> The largest group ride that I know of is RAGBRAI (Iowa). There are always
>> lots of recumbents on that ride.

Well... Houston is flat, Austin is hilly. Bingo! --D-y

>> "Bents and climbing don't mix well, in other words." - Dust

>>Regards,

>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:3861cf80-d66a-4379-9123-0a2fa1dccf06@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 31, 1:18 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> [Quotation marks are messed up, so I will supply my own.]
>
"dustoyevsky's" post is fine. It is Ed Dolan's Microsoft Windows Mail
6.0 that has been mucking up posts recently.

>> However, for a recumbent bicycle, that wide gearing range is not at all
>> unreasonable, but nearer to a necessity.
>
> Bents and climbing don't mix well, in other words.
>
>>> Dust has really get that part right!
>
>> The proper climbing technique
>> on a recumbent bicycle is unlike that for an upright bicycle, where the
>> preferred climbing technique of many is to stand and pedal at a
>> relatively low cadence, while pulling on the handlebars to increase
>> one's "effective" weight.
>
> Nice try. Upright riders can sit or stand and easily switch back and
> forth. Bent riders can't.
>
>>> Bent riders are like potted plants.
>
>> The (performance oriented) recumbent will also descend faster (snip)
>
> "Also"? Where did "also" come from? 120rpm in a 15" gear? Isn't that
> right about stall speed for you guys?
>
>>> Many bent riders go downhill too fast and suffer the consequences.
>
>> (where
>> tight corners or rough surfaces do not limit speed too severely) than
>> the upright.
>
> I agree that in the real world, on real streets with potholes and
> tight corners, uprights are safer to ride than bents (just sending a
> little rhetoric back at you, there).
>
>>> Bent riders need to slow down when the road gets rough.
>
>> In particular, on a frontally or fully faired recumbent,
>> the rider can pedal without increasing drag, so a very high gear can be
>> used while going downhill.
>
> The proselytizing gets old, Tom.
>
> We all know about wind resistance and bents and all that stuff. OK?
> Oh, and "comfort". Well, I've tried a bent, I didn't feel very
> comfortable <g>. Sure enough, the next guy had to go around the
> parking lot a little faster to show me up, and he crashed. Whoops!
> Truth be told, that was on a short-wheelbase prototype (lots of
> prototypes in the bent world, from my brief lookings, btw).
>
>>> Fully faired recumbents are a pain in the neck. Mostly they don't work
>>> very well.
>
> We had a semi-regular bent rider on the Wednesday night "Tour of the
> Inner Loop" in Houston (Planetary Bicycles, 6:00) and two or three
> others who were occasionals. No problems here, but no thanks, either.
> Not for riding on real roads, anyhow.
>
>>> "Bent riders need to slow down when the road gets rough." - Ed Dolan
>
> BTW, from what I've seen, the problem with mixing bents and bicycles
> isn't wheelbase or profile (or slowing down on hills), it wobbling.
> Does everyone wobble, or just the three or four guys I've ridden with?
>
>>> The slower you go on any bike, the more you wobble.
>
> (Don't get me wrong dept.): If you haven't "heard" me say before,
> "there's a bent in everyone's future"-- kind of a parallel to your
> "failure" thing in your sig. But, at 58-1/2 (three quarters,
> actually), with a bad back, arthritis in the hands, and a difficulty
> with one of the saddle contact areas (doing much better, thanks), I'm
> not there yet.
>
>>> Hang in there Dust - you will end up on a recumbent yet with all your
>>> ailments.
>
> Few bents are seen here in Austin, compared to bicycles. As in, you go
> to a larger group ride, non-racer groups such as the esteemed ACA
> weekend rides, you don't see a bent very often at all.
>
>>> The largest group ride that I know of is RAGBRAI (Iowa). There are always
>>> lots of recumbents on that ride.
>
> Well... Houston is flat, Austin is hilly. Bingo! --D-y
>
> >> "Bents and climbing don't mix well, in other words." - Dust
>
For the love of both Tullio Campagnolo and Shozo Shimano, get a real
newsreader, Ed!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

[Andre Jute]

On Feb 1, 12:45*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote in message
> >news:3861cf80-d66a-4379-9123-0a2fa1dccf06@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 31, 1:18 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > [Quotation marks are messed up, so I will supply my own.]
>
> *>
> "dustoyevsky's" post is fine. It is Ed Dolan's Microsoft Windows Mail
> 6.0 that has been mucking up posts recently.
>
>
>
> >> However, for a recumbent bicycle, that wide gearing range is not at all
> >> unreasonable, but nearer to a necessity.
>
> > Bents and climbing don't mix well, in other words.
>
> >>> Dust has really get that part right!
>
> >> The proper climbing technique
> >> on a recumbent bicycle is unlike that for an upright bicycle, where the
> >> preferred climbing technique of many is to stand and pedal at a
> >> relatively low cadence, while pulling on the handlebars to increase
> >> one's "effective" weight.
>
> > Nice try. Upright riders can sit or stand and easily switch back and
> > forth. Bent riders can't.
>
> >>> Bent riders are like potted plants.
>
> >> The (performance oriented) recumbent will also descend faster (snip)
>
> > "Also"? Where did "also" come from? 120rpm in a 15" gear? Isn't that
> > right about stall speed for you guys?
>
> >>> Many bent riders go downhill too fast and suffer the consequences.
>
> >> (where
> >> tight corners or rough surfaces do not limit speed too severely) than
> >> the upright.
>
> > I agree that in the real world, on real streets with potholes and
> > tight corners, uprights are safer to ride than bents (just sending a
> > little rhetoric back at you, there).
>
> >>> Bent riders need to slow down when the road gets rough.
>
> >> In particular, on a frontally or fully faired recumbent,
> >> the rider can pedal without increasing drag, so a very high gear can be
> >> used while going downhill.
>
> > The proselytizing gets old, Tom.
>
> > We all know about wind resistance and bents and all that stuff. OK?
> > Oh, and "comfort". Well, I've tried a bent, I didn't feel very
> > comfortable <g>. Sure enough, the next guy had to go around the
> > parking lot a little faster to show me up, and he crashed. Whoops!
> > Truth be told, that was on a short-wheelbase prototype (lots of
> > prototypes in the bent world, from my brief lookings, btw).
>
> >>> Fully faired recumbents are a pain in the neck. Mostly they don't work
> >>> very well.
>
> > We had a semi-regular bent rider on the Wednesday night "Tour of the
> > Inner Loop" in Houston (Planetary Bicycles, 6:00) and two or three
> > others who were occasionals. No problems here, but no thanks, either.
> > Not for riding on real roads, anyhow.
>
> >>> "Bent riders need to slow down when the road gets rough." - Ed Dolan
>
> > BTW, from what I've seen, the problem with mixing bents and bicycles
> > isn't wheelbase or profile (or slowing down on hills), it wobbling.
> > Does everyone wobble, or just the three or four guys I've ridden with?
>
> >>> The slower you go on any bike, the more you wobble.
>
> > (Don't get me wrong dept.): If you haven't "heard" me say before,
> > "there's a bent in everyone's future"-- kind of a parallel to your
> > "failure" thing in your sig. But, at 58-1/2 (three quarters,
> > actually), with a bad back, arthritis in the hands, and a difficulty
> > with one of the saddle contact areas (doing much better, thanks), I'm
> > not there yet.
>
> >>> Hang in there Dust - you will end up on a recumbent yet with all your
> >>> ailments.
>
> > Few bents are seen here in Austin, compared to bicycles. As in, you go
> > to a larger group ride, non-racer groups such as the esteemed ACA
> > weekend rides, you don't see a bent very often at all.
>
> >>> The largest group ride that I know of is RAGBRAI (Iowa). There are always
> >>> lots of recumbents on that ride.
>
> > Well... Houston is flat, Austin is hilly. Bingo! *--D-y
>
> > *>> "Bents and climbing don't mix well, in other words." - Dust
>
> For the love of both Tullio Campagnolo and Shozo Shimano, get a real
> newsreader, Ed!!!

Or we shall withdraw the benefice of John Boyd Dunlop from you. See
how you like riding on solid tyres. -- Andre Jute

> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
> - A. Derleth

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fntq3f$gbn$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:3861cf80-d66a-4379-9123-0a2fa1dccf06@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 31, 1:18 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [Quotation marks are messed up, so I will supply my own.]
> >
> "dustoyevsky's" post is fine. It is Ed Dolan's Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0
> that has been mucking up posts recently.

Then why aren't your posts equally messed up? The fact is that it is only
posts that come from Google Groups that are messed up and then only some of
them.
[...]

> For the love of both Tullio Campagnolo and Shozo Shimano, get a real
> newsreader, Ed!!!

Put your brain into gear and tell me why some messages from Google Groups
are messed up and others aren't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fntq3f$gbn$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3861cf80-d66a-4379-9123-0a2fa1dccf06@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jan 31, 1:18 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [Quotation marks are messed up, so I will supply my own.]
>>>
>> "dustoyevsky's" post is fine. It is Ed Dolan's Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0
>> that has been mucking up posts recently.
>
> Then why aren't your posts equally messed up? The fact is that it is only
> posts that come from Google Groups that are messed up and then only some of
> them.
> [...]
I am using Thunderbird (the Mozilla product, not the cheap wine from
Gallo), which does not seems to have the issues of a Micro$oft Vista
product (surprise, surprise).

>> For the love of both Tullio Campagnolo and Shozo Shimano, get a real
>> newsreader, Ed!!!
>
> Put your brain into gear and tell me why some messages from Google Groups
> are messed up and others aren't.
>
It seems that Ed Dolan's Micro$oft Windows Mail 6.0 is having problems
with posts originating from Google Groups [1]. Why this is so remains a
mystery, but Micro$oft products have some history of such problems.

[1] Gurgle Gropes for gene.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth