brain drain at rbt...

[Crescentius Vespasianus]

Slowly but surely, the true brains of
rbt are going away. I'm sure some day
I'll see someone will write a "how do
you fix this" question, and the only
coherent reply will be, "can't you
afford to buy a new bike?" At least
there is the archives, that's usually
where I search first. It's sad, but we
are in a disposable society, and
knowledge is no longer valued. Only
money fixes everything now.

[Clive George]

"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13qko9glt6gar3b@corp.supernews.com...
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and the
> only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?" At
> least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first. It's
> sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

For some people, maybe. But take hope - there are still people around who
value knowledge and the nous required to make something work, even if it may
appear simpler to just but a new one.

(or get somebody from one of the poorer countries - lack of money is a
strong incentive to learning to fix things.)

However there's also the issue that mechanical things are improving, and
with them, reliability. Combine this with the ease of communication provided
by the internet, and you not only have fewer problems, but many of them have
well defined solutions which are already there - leaving people interested
in such things with little to do but bicker.

Which brings us neatly back to what I guess prompted your post - Sheldon's
efforts have been a major part of this. It will be interesting to see who
will pick up the torch.

cheers,
clive

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13qko9glt6gar3b@corp.supernews.com...
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and the
> only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?" At
> least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first. It's
> sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want to be
bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly explain
something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer than a
60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60 seconds!) is too much
bother.

But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are miles
& miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept, and never quite
figuring out that the person at the other end lost interest many paragraphs
prior.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

[datakoll]

On Feb 6, 8:28*pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> I'll see someone will write a "how do
> you fix this" question, and the only
> coherent reply will be, "can't you
> afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> there is the archives, that's usually
> where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> are in a disposable society, and
> knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> money fixes everything now.

can't ypou afford Prozac?

[andresmuro@aol.com]

On Feb 6, 6:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> rbt are going away. I'm sure some day
> I'll see someone will write a "how do
> you fix this" question, and the only
> coherent reply will be, "can't you
> afford to buy a new bike?" At least
> there is the archives, that's usually
> where I search first. It's sad, but we
> are in a disposable society, and
> knowledge is no longer valued. Only
> money fixes everything now.

I think that there are still good sources of info that I can rely on.
Peter, Mike, Andrew and Jobst are pretty reliable. Once in a while
Gene comes along and then I need to get a secret text decoder to
figure out if the content had any practical value, if it was purely
poetic, or if a door to a different dimension opened up and let some
text enter into the newsgroup. Gene is the uncertainty principle
manifested at the macro level. Other times jb pops up in the middle of
a discussion with some diatribe against JB which usually does not add
any value to the discussion but makes me feel like drinking some jb.

So basically I think that you can get some good and useful information
as long as you can figure out what is valuable. Its like trying to
figure out what real news is. There are some sources out there but
they are all mixed in with the junk.

Andres

[landotter]

On Feb 6, 7:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> rbt are going away.

Bull crap. The minutia of bicycles is much more known than ever. While
we may not ever replace the dear iconoclast Sheldon (may the FSM
forgive that beard dye), the craft has been reseeded the world over
due to his web site. It's Sheldon who convinced me to build wheels
without fancy tools using only a ruler, a bicycle and a spoke wrench,
and to respace frames with lumber and kitchen chairs. The expertise
that I have in bar tape chirality, that's natural skill, except for
the word "chirality" which I learned from Madison's own A. Muzi.

Yes, we may lose some generational skills like nailing on cleats and
brushing tubies en route--but how many of you value the skill required
in wiring on an ordinary tire?

[Martin Borsje]

on 7-2-2008, Crescentius Vespasianus supposed :
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some day
> I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and the only
> coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?" At least there
> is the archives, that's usually where I search first. It's sad, but we are
> in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer valued. Only money fixes
> everything now.

Time for a bikewiki maybe?

[catzz66]

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?"
> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

Don't necessarily agree. With a worn out entry level bike, getting a
new one might be good advice. A good bike will be worth maintaining and
fixing when some component wears out.

[Kinky Cowboy]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:28:43 -0700, Crescentius Vespasianus
<jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Slowly but surely, the true brains of
>rbt are going away. I'm sure some day
>I'll see someone will write a "how do
>you fix this" question, and the only
>coherent reply will be, "can't you
>afford to buy a new bike?" At least
>there is the archives, that's usually
>where I search first. It's sad, but we
>are in a disposable society, and
>knowledge is no longer valued. Only
>money fixes everything now.

Only money always fixed everything, we just use it differently now.
Why would I want to spend 2 hours repairing a $20 part? It isn't that
we're dumb or lazy, it's that manufactured goods keep getting cheaper
and cheaper while labour keeps getting more and more expensive.

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary

[Paul Cassel]

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?"
> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

I've read similar laments in other ng's. I think that the moderated Web
based Boards are replacing the Usenet which, due to various problems,
has decreased in informational density especially in the last few years.

I've seen several of these moderated Boards which retain a lot of useful
information givers but without the rancor which I've often seen here.

-paul

[Scott Gordo]

On Feb 6, 8:28*pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> I'll see someone will write a "how do
> you fix this" question, and the only
> coherent reply will be, "can't you
> afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> there is the archives, that's usually
> where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> are in a disposable society, and
> knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> money fixes everything now.

Dear Heart Attack 29er Man,

Puh-leeze. I get accurate, easily comprehended, succinct, thoughtful
responses from experienced people every time I ask a technical
question here. Best resource I know of, and it's free! Every newsgroup
should be this good. Maybe if you ask a direct and OT question, you'll
get a direct and OT answer.

/s

[SMS]

Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?"
> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

There are now so many esoteric web sites on specific topics that often
the need for r.b.t. (or other newsgroups) is less. I've solved many
computer, bicycle, cell phone, and home repair problems with a simple
Google search, marveling (and being thankful) that someone took the time
to post detailed instructions on how to fix something. The web sites
often have diagrams and photographs as well, making them more clear than
simple text posts. I've referred to Sheldon's web site many times,
usually for tire and rim sizing issues. His clarity and wisdom will
outlive him for decades to come.

All of us have some specialized knowledge that many others would find
very useful, and that doesn't necessarily lend itself to a newsgroup, or
that is inquired about often enough that it's easier to write up some
instructions and put them up on the web (there are plenty of free web
hosting places to do this).

Something that you think no one else is interested in, there are
probably plenty of people interested in. I've been startled to see the
number of hits on some of my extremely esoteric sites, i.e. if you want
to know how to order Northern Chinese style snack food at restaurants
that don't put these items on their English menu, see
"http://nordicgroup.us/dianxin/dianxin.pdf".

In every newsgroup there are those that do not have any coherent
response to the actual question and instead feel compelled to respond in
some other way. Occasionally the question _does_ lend itself to a
response that is not exactly on topic, but not usually. I haven't
noticed this problem getting any worse.

[A Muzi]

-snip-
Clive George wrote:
> However there's also the issue that mechanical things are improving, and
> with them, reliability.

Or frequently, just new problems.

> Combine this with the ease of communication
> provided by the internet, and you not only have fewer problems, but many
> of them have well defined solutions which are already there - leaving
> people interested in such things with little to do but bicker.-snip-

There's always that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Michael Baldwin]

Clive says

>Sheldon's efforts have been a major part of this. It
>will be interesting to see who will pick up the
>torch.

Maybe Atlas?

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

[Elmo]

Clive George wrote:
> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:13qko9glt6gar3b@corp.supernews.com...
>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
>> some day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question,
>> and the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new
>> bike?" At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search
>> first. It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is
>> no longer valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>
> For some people, maybe. But take hope - there are still people around
> who value knowledge and the nous required to make something work, even
> if it may appear simpler to just but a new one.
>
> (or get somebody from one of the poorer countries - lack of money is a
> strong incentive to learning to fix things.)
>
> However there's also the issue that mechanical things are improving, and
> with them, reliability. Combine this with the ease of communication
> provided by the internet, and you not only have fewer problems, but many
> of them have well defined solutions which are already there - leaving
> people interested in such things with little to do but bicker.
>
> Which brings us neatly back to what I guess prompted your post -
> Sheldon's efforts have been a major part of this. It will be interesting
> to see who will pick up the torch.
>
> cheers,
> clive

We walk in the footprints of those who have gone before us.
When the "net" first started all the bike questions were new, and bit by
bit, (parden the digital pun,) a collective knowledge base was built,
including Sheldons website. Now we don't need to ask the question on
r.b.t because we can find it already on the net or by trawling through
old r.b.t postings. The only drawback is that we now tend to discuss
opinions as all the facts have generally been established, (excepting
helmet effectiveness of course).

[A Muzi]

> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
>> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and the
>> only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?" At
>> least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first. It's
>> sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
>> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want to be
> bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly explain
> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer than a
> 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60 seconds!) is too much
> bother.
>
> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are miles
> & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept, and never quite
> figuring out that the person at the other end lost interest many paragraphs
> prior.

Just like real life!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13qkrudrv4lj4b6@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
>>> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
>>> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?"
>>> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
>>> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
>>> valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want to
>> be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly explain
>> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer
>> than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60 seconds!)
>> is too much bother.
>>
>> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are
>> miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept, and
>> never quite figuring out that the person at the other end lost interest
>> many paragraphs prior.
>
> Just like real life!
> Andrew Muzi

It.... isn't?

By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday), but
saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best get to
the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the worst hit.
Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last flight out to
Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like everything got cancelled
today until early this evening. We have it so easy in California...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[datakoll]

On Feb 6, 10:31*pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 6, 6:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> > rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> > I'll see someone will write a "how do
> > you fix this" question, and the only
> > coherent reply will be, "can't you
> > afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> > there is the archives, that's usually
> > where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> > are in a disposable society, and
> > knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> > money fixes everything now.
>
> I think that there are still good sources of info that I can rely on.
> Peter, Mike, Andrew and Jobst are pretty reliable. Once in a while
> Gene comes along and then I need to get a secret text decoder to
> figure out if the content had any practical value, if it was purely
> poetic, or if a door to a different dimension opened up and let some
> text enter into the newsgroup. Gene is the uncertainty principle
> manifested at the macro level. Other times jb pops up in the middle of
> a discussion with some diatribe against JB which usually does not add
> any value to the discussion but makes me feel like drinking some jb.
>
> So basically I think that you can get some good and useful information
> as long as you can figure out what is valuable. Its like trying to
> figure out what real news is. There are some sources out there but
> they are all mixed in with the junk.
>
> Andres

I'm leaving for the coast. I'm a Brown disciple and a reader of Muzi,
Chalo, Ornee, et al. Brown told me to get a vernier caliper.
I haven't got the slightest idea: Brown excelled at Part A mates with
Part B if done just so the used his vast knowledge and Asimov NE
approach and the newly invented internet to dispell ignorance.
We had something in common there. I used the bicycle and internet as
part foundation for the science research I developed. Brown was
absolutely essential for my work. I told him that and he was pleased.
My family once lived down the road from Brown. He found that amusing.
We came within a hair of saving the country had not Organized Crime
interfered. History slipped from our grasp.
Brown's bicycle information is a big deal with global warming and
should "stand the test of time(s)" We're taught a small group of
people are necessary for moving ideas forward: Brown is several
thousand.
I have a gift for generating empathy with the environment. I can speak
with animals. So the big game are the large brained marine mammals on
the west coast. I'm Brown's age so this is my shot past the WTC and
NASA where the mob and the Feds have put up a closed door. They
threaten to follow me but maybe not. There are people in psychology
and marine biology believing the Rosetta is mine.
That pleased Brown. And off course I have a new yellow 29'er (from
Chalo)for land recognition from my "animal friends."

[Brian Huntley]

On Feb 6, 11:06 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 6, 10:31 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 6:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> > > rbt are going away. I'm sure some day
> > > I'll see someone will write a "how do
> > > you fix this" question, and the only
> > > coherent reply will be, "can't you
> > > afford to buy a new bike?" At least
> > > there is the archives, that's usually
> > > where I search first. It's sad, but we
> > > are in a disposable society, and
> > > knowledge is no longer valued. Only
> > > money fixes everything now.
>
> > I think that there are still good sources of info that I can rely on.
> > Peter, Mike, Andrew and Jobst are pretty reliable. Once in a while
> > Gene comes along and then I need to get a secret text decoder to
> > figure out if the content had any practical value, if it was purely
> > poetic, or if a door to a different dimension opened up and let some
> > text enter into the newsgroup. Gene is the uncertainty principle
> > manifested at the macro level. Other times jb pops up in the middle of
> > a discussion with some diatribe against JB which usually does not add
> > any value to the discussion but makes me feel like drinking some jb.
>
> > So basically I think that you can get some good and useful information
> > as long as you can figure out what is valuable. Its like trying to
> > figure out what real news is. There are some sources out there but
> > they are all mixed in with the junk.
>
> > Andres
>
> I'm leaving for the coast. I'm a Brown disciple and a reader of Muzi,
> Chalo, Ornee, et al. Brown told me to get a vernier caliper.
> I haven't got the slightest idea: Brown excelled at Part A mates with
> Part B if done just so the used his vast knowledge and Asimov NE
> approach and the newly invented internet to dispell ignorance.
> We had something in common there. I used the bicycle and internet as
> part foundation for the science research I developed. Brown was
> absolutely essential for my work. I told him that and he was pleased.
> My family once lived down the road from Brown. He found that amusing.
> We came within a hair of saving the country had not Organized Crime
> interfered. History slipped from our grasp.
> Brown's bicycle information is a big deal with global warming and
> should "stand the test of time(s)" We're taught a small group of
> people are necessary for moving ideas forward: Brown is several
> thousand.
> I have a gift for generating empathy with the environment. I can speak
> with animals. So the big game are the large brained marine mammals on
> the west coast. I'm Brown's age so this is my shot past the WTC and
> NASA where the mob and the Feds have put up a closed door. They
> threaten to follow me but maybe not. There are people in psychology
> and marine biology believing the Rosetta is mine.
> That pleased Brown. And off course I have a new yellow 29'er (from
> Chalo)for land recognition from my "animal friends."

Saying "Brown" like that makes it sounds like a bad UPS ad, Gene.

Speaking of Sheldon's verniers, I bought a bunch of cheap plastic ones
($5/half dozen, I think) and handed them out a jokey gifts at the
office. I was somewhat shocked that nobody else knew how to read one.
What do they teach in the school of hard knocks these days, anyway?
Does everything have to be digital?

[datakoll]

fsm?

http://www.visit-fsm.org/

the beard is an allusion to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

pass the soup
and keep running

[Tom Sherman]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
> news:13qkrudrv4lj4b6@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
>>>> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
>>>> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?"
>>>> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
>>>> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
>>>> valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want to
>>> be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly explain
>>> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer
>>> than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60 seconds!)
>>> is too much bother.
>>>
>>> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are
>>> miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept, and
>>> never quite figuring out that the person at the other end lost interest
>>> many paragraphs prior.
>> Just like real life!
>> Andrew Muzi
>
> It.... isn't?
>
> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday), but
> saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best get to
> the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the worst hit.
> Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last flight out to
> Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like everything got cancelled
> today until early this evening. We have it so easy in California...
>
Oh come on, it was only 35 cm of snow.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[A Muzi]

>>> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure some
>>>> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
>>>> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?"
>>>> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
>>>> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
>>>> valued. Only money fixes everything now.

>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want to
>>> be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly explain
>>> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer
>>> than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60 seconds!)
>>> is too much bother.
>>> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are
>>> miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept, and
>>> never quite figuring out that the person at the other end lost interest
>>> many paragraphs prior.

> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote
>> Just like real life!

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> It.... isn't?
> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday), but
> saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best get to
> the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the worst hit.
> Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last flight out to
> Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like everything got cancelled
> today until early this evening. We have it so easy in California...

Everything here is a total mess. You'd think an administration in
SnowLand with a huge tax bite could clear the streets. But, no.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[* * Chas]

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:SKwqj.10966$hI1.6288@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
> news:13qkrudrv4lj4b6@corp.supernews.com...
> >> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
some
> >>> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question,
and
> >>> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new
bike?"
> >>> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
> >>> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no
longer
> >>> valued. Only money fixes everything now.
> >
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want
to
> >> be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly
explain
> >> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer
> >> than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60
seconds!)
> >> is too much bother.
> >>
> >> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are
> >> miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept,
and
> >> never quite figuring out that the person at the other end lost
interest
> >> many paragraphs prior.
> >
> > Just like real life!
> > Andrew Muzi
>
> It.... isn't?
>
> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday),
but
> saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best
get to
> the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the worst
hit.
> Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last flight out
to
> Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like everything got
cancelled
> today until early this evening. We have it so easy in California...
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>

"We have it so easy in California..."

Except for SFO..... ;-(

Chas.

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

>> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
>> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday),
>> but saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best
>> get to the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the
>> worst hit. Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last
>> flight out to Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like
>> everything got cancelled today until early this evening. We have it so
>> easy in California...
>>
> Oh come on, it was only 35 cm of snow.

Um, actually, I was being rather kind by not pointing that out. It really
didn't seem like all that much snow that was shutting everything down
(although I'm told it was considerably worse today). But what the heck,
we've got an airport that pretty much shuts down with the slightest amount
of fog.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:foea4t$mfv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
>> news:13qkrudrv4lj4b6@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
>>>>> some day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question,
>>>>> and the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new
>>>>> bike?" At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search
>>>>> first. It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is
>>>>> no longer valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want to
>>>> be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly explain
>>>> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer
>>>> than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60 seconds!)
>>>> is too much bother.
>>>>
>>>> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are
>>>> miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept, and
>>>> never quite figuring out that the person at the other end lost interest
>>>> many paragraphs prior.
>>> Just like real life!
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>
>> It.... isn't?
>>
>> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
>> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday),
>> but saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best
>> get to the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the
>> worst hit. Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last
>> flight out to Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like
>> everything got cancelled today until early this evening. We have it so
>> easy in California...
>>
> Oh come on, it was only 35 cm of snow.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Tom Sherman]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
>>> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday),
>>> but saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best
>>> get to the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the
>>> worst hit. Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last
>>> flight out to Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like
>>> everything got cancelled today until early this evening. We have it so
>>> easy in California...
>>>
>> Oh come on, it was only 35 cm of snow.
>
> Um, actually, I was being rather kind by not pointing that out. It really
> didn't seem like all that much snow that was shutting everything down
> (although I'm told it was considerably worse today). But what the heck,
> we've got an airport that pretty much shuts down with the slightest amount
> of fog.

Yes, 35 cm is only about 14 inches.

With the wind blowing snow and the plows not being able to keep up, it
was almost impossible to tell where the road actually was today.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[nmp]

datakoll wrote:

> fsm?

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>

[landotter]

On Feb 7, 7:24 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> fsm?
>
> http://www.visit-fsm.org/
>
SPAM eating tropical weirdos.

[datakoll]

OK, Why would you want to spend 2 hours repairing a $20 part?

[Andre Jute]

On Feb 7, 4:16*pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>

Just to make Ed Dolan (1) insanely jealous, near the bottom of this
page I am receiving a complicated electronics formula directly from
the hand of the Creator:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20124%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
Scroll down to the illustration near the bottom. It takes a lot of
cycling to achieve muscle tone like that.

The Master Formula of Tube Amps is here, just so Creepy Carl doesn't
call me a liar again because he's too dumb to ask where it is:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20141%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm

No brain drain at RBT. All I see is natural attrition (albeit a huge
lump of it all at once with Sheldon's death). All usenet groups go
through phases; this one too will pass.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

[datakoll]

On Feb 7, 11:34*am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 7:24 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:> fsm?
>
> >http://www.visit-fsm.org/
>
> SPAM eating tropical weirdos.

BASK DUDE BASK!

Sheldon was not in this morning's launch report from KSC as: "
under(went) further testing " ?

[datakoll]

On Feb 7, 1:01*pm, Paul Cassel <pcasselremo...@comremovecast.net>
wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. *I'm sure some
> > day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question, and
> > the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new bike?" *
> > At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first. *
> > It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no longer
> > valued. *Only money fixes everything now.
>
> I've read similar laments in other ng's. I think that the moderated Web
> based Boards are replacing the Usenet which, due to various problems,
> has decreased in informational density especially in the last few years.
>
> I've seen several of these moderated Boards which retain a lot of useful
> information givers but without the rancor which I've often seen here.
>
> -paul

RBT is moderated by Google and those other rational boards who send
their rejects here.

[Tom Sherman]

Paul Cassel wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
>> some day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question,
>> and the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new
>> bike?" At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search
>> first. It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is
>> no longer valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>
> I've read similar laments in other ng's. I think that the moderated Web
> based Boards are replacing the Usenet which, due to various problems,
> has decreased in informational density especially in the last few years.
>
> I've seen several of these moderated Boards which retain a lot of useful
> information givers but without the rancor which I've often seen here.
>
Those moderated forums are also deadly dull. Some also tend to weed out
information unfavorable to their advertisers.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Tom Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
>>>>> some day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this"
>>>>> question, and the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to
>>>>> buy a new bike?" At least there is the archives, that's usually
>>>>> where I search first. It's sad, but we are in a disposable society,
>>>>> and knowledge is no longer valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>
>>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want
>>>> to be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly
>>>> explain something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that
>>>> takes longer than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to
>>>> take... 60 seconds!) is too much bother.
>>>> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts
>>>> are miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple
>>>> concept, and never quite figuring out that the person at the other
>>>> end lost interest many paragraphs prior.
>
>> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote
>>> Just like real life!
>
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> It.... isn't?
>> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
>> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight
>> (Wednesday), but saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and
>> thought maybe I'd best get to the Madison airport ASAP and see if I
>> could get out before the worst hit. Yikes, it was like the fall of
>> Saigon! I got on the very last flight out to Denver, and from there to
>> San Francisco. Looks like everything got cancelled today until early
>> this evening. We have it so easy in California...
>
> Everything here is a total mess. You'd think an administration in
> SnowLand with a huge tax bite could clear the streets. But, no.
>
It is no better here, even though they put all the garbage trucks into
service as plows.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

>> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
>> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday),
> but
>> saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best
> get to
>> the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the worst
> hit.
>> Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last flight out
> to
>> Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like everything got
> cancelled
>> today until early this evening. We have it so easy in California...
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
>
> "We have it so easy in California..."
>
> Except for SFO..... ;-(

It's really unfortunate that United doesn't consider San Jose a co-terminal
to San Francisco. San Jose is almost never affected by weather, but they
won't generally let you change your return to go there instead (when SFO is
shut down by the tiniest amount of fog, which is often the case in the
summer).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"* * Chas" <verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com> wrote in message
news:gfednSUHtLP50jbanZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:SKwqj.10966$hI1.6288@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
>> news:13qkrudrv4lj4b6@corp.supernews.com...
>> >> "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
> some
>> >>> day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this" question,
> and
>> >>> the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to buy a new
> bike?"
>> >>> At least there is the archives, that's usually where I search first.
>> >>> It's sad, but we are in a disposable society, and knowledge is no
> longer
>> >>> valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>> >
>> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> >> It's not just a product issue, it's communication. People don't want
> to
>> >> be bothered, or they simply don't have the skills, to properly
> explain
>> >> something, *or* listen. It takes too long. Anything that takes longer
>> >> than a 60-second commercial (which just happens to take... 60
> seconds!)
>> >> is too much bother.
>> >>
>> >> But everything balances out, which explains why some usenet posts are
>> >> miles & miles long, trying to explain a dreadfully simple concept,
> and
>> >> never quite figuring out that the person at the other end lost
> interest
>> >> many paragraphs prior.
>> >
>> > Just like real life!
>> > Andrew Muzi
>>
>> It.... isn't?
>>
>> By the way, I just got out of your neck of the woods yesterday. I was
>> originally scheduled to leave Madison (for ORD-SFO) tonight (Wednesday),
> but
>> saw the weather report yesterday (Tuesday) and thought maybe I'd best
> get to
>> the Madison airport ASAP and see if I could get out before the worst
> hit.
>> Yikes, it was like the fall of Saigon! I got on the very last flight out
> to
>> Denver, and from there to San Francisco. Looks like everything got
> cancelled
>> today until early this evening. We have it so easy in California...
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
>
> "We have it so easy in California..."
>
> Except for SFO..... ;-(
>
> Chas.
>
>

[sergio]

On 7 Feb, 23:58, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> It is no better here, even though they put all the garbage trucks into
> service as plows.

Once you are done, please, send them over to Naples.

Sergio
Pisa
P.s. By the way, today I rode four hours in shorts, with snow capped
mountains in far sight.

[A Muzi]

>> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
>>> some day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this"
>>> question, and the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to
>>> buy a new bike?" At least there is the archives, that's usually
>>> where I search first. It's sad, but we are in a disposable society,
>>> and knowledge is no longer valued. Only money fixes everything now.

> Paul Cassel wrote:
>> I've read similar laments in other ng's. I think that the moderated
>> Web based Boards are replacing the Usenet which, due to various
>> problems, has decreased in informational density especially in the
>> last few years.
>> I've seen several of these moderated Boards which retain a lot of
>> useful information givers but without the rancor which I've often seen
>> here.

Tom Sherman wrote:
> Those moderated forums are also deadly dull. Some also tend to weed out
> information unfavorable to their advertisers.

The tone of conversation here on r.b.t. is generally acceptable to me.
Sure, not always on topic. Gentlemanly? Hardly.

But nowhere near as threatening as your average sidewalk outside a bar
at bar time. And no knives!

Soon it will be spring and we can all be heroes, explaining once more
how the little unscrewy thing on a presta valve works, etc.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Sherman]

Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>>>> Slowly but surely, the true brains of rbt are going away. I'm sure
>>>> some day I'll see someone will write a "how do you fix this"
>>>> question, and the only coherent reply will be, "can't you afford to
>>>> buy a new bike?" At least there is the archives, that's usually
>>>> where I search first. It's sad, but we are in a disposable society,
>>>> and knowledge is no longer valued. Only money fixes everything now.
>
>> Paul Cassel wrote:
>>> I've read similar laments in other ng's. I think that the moderated
>>> Web based Boards are replacing the Usenet which, due to various
>>> problems, has decreased in informational density especially in the
>>> last few years.
>>> I've seen several of these moderated Boards which retain a lot of
>>> useful information givers but without the rancor which I've often
>>> seen here.
>
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Those moderated forums are also deadly dull. Some also tend to weed
>> out information unfavorable to their advertisers.
>
> The tone of conversation here on r.b.t. is generally acceptable to me.
> Sure, not always on topic. Gentlemanly? Hardly.
>
> But nowhere near as threatening as your average sidewalk outside a bar
> at bar time. And no knives!
>
Knives? Here (and in most other US cities) the really bad places are not
traditional bars, but clubs. After midnight, a bullet resistant vest is
a good thing to be wearing.

> Soon it will be spring and we can all be heroes, explaining once more
> how the little unscrewy thing on a presta valve works, etc.

Or we can argue about the value of a valve cap on a presta valve.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[datakoll]

On Feb 7, 6:49*pm, sergio <serva...@df.unipi.it> wrote:
> On 7 Feb, 23:58, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>
> > It is no better here, even though they put all the garbage trucks into
> > service as plows.
>
> Once you are done, please, send them over to Naples.
>
> Sergio
> Pisa
> P.s. By the way, today I rode four hours in shorts, with snow capped
> mountains in far sight.

Sergio bought a trainer?

[Tom Sherman]

Sergio Servadio wrote:
> On 7 Feb, 23:58, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> It is no better here, even though they put all the garbage trucks into
>> service as plows.
>
> Once you are done, please, send them over to Naples.
>
To remove garbage or snow?
<http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=40.84999847,14.30000019>

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Kerry Montgomery]

"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8f307ada-9d3d-447e-a327-995df3e0c24f@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 4:16 pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>

Just to make Ed Dolan (1) insanely jealous, near the bottom of this
page I am receiving a complicated electronics formula directly from
the hand of the Creator:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20124%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
Scroll down to the illustration near the bottom. It takes a lot of
cycling to achieve muscle tone like that.

The Master Formula of Tube Amps is here, just so Creepy Carl doesn't
call me a liar again because he's too dumb to ask where it is:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20141%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm

No brain drain at RBT. All I see is natural attrition (albeit a huge
lump of it all at once with Sheldon's death). All usenet groups go
through phases; this one too will pass.


Andre,
What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?
What does this post have to do with RBT?
Kerry

[datakoll]

http://www.spiritburner.com/forum/

[Andre Jute]

On Feb 8, 2:30*am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
> "Andre Jute" <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8f307ada-9d3d-447e-a327-995df3e0c24f@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 7, 4:16 pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>
>
> Just to make Ed Dolan (1) insanely jealous, near the bottom of this
> page I am receiving a complicated electronics formula directly from
> the hand of the Creator:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20124%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
> Scroll down to the illustration near the bottom. It takes a lot of
> cycling to achieve muscle tone like that.
>
> The Master Formula of Tube Amps is here, just so Creepy Carl doesn't
> call me a liar again because he's too dumb to ask where it is:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20141%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
>
> No brain drain at RBT. All I see is natural attrition (albeit a huge
> lump of it all at once with Sheldon's death). All usenet groups go
> through phases; this one too will pass.
>
> Andre,
> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?

The dog that didn't bark in the night.

> What does this post have to do with RBT?

I don't know. I'm new here. I was just replying to NMT's post in which
he gave this reference
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>
Perhaps you should ask NMT what his post has to do with RBT, or you
might ask the RBTers, who were discussing the hicksville anti-monkey
Education Board which is intent on reversing the outcome of the Scopes
monkey trial, what their posts have to do with RBT.

> Kerry

HTH.

Are you RBT's resident Topic Police?

Andre Jute
Scofflaw

[datakoll]

On Feb 7, 10:07*pm, Brian Huntley <brian_hunt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 6, 11:06 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 10:31 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 6, 6:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> > > > rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> > > > I'll see someone will write a "how do
> > > > you fix this" question, and the only
> > > > coherent reply will be, "can't you
> > > > afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> > > > there is the archives, that's usually
> > > > where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> > > > are in a disposable society, and
> > > > knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> > > > money fixes everything now.
>
> > > I think that there are still good sources of info that I can rely on.
> > > Peter, Mike, Andrew and Jobst are pretty reliable. Once in a while
> > > Gene comes along and then I need to get a secret text decoder to
> > > figure out if the content had any practical value, if it was purely
> > > poetic, or if a door to a different dimension opened up and let some
> > > text enter into the newsgroup. Gene is the uncertainty principle
> > > manifested at the macro level. Other times jb pops up in the middle of
> > > a discussion with some diatribe against JB which usually does not add
> > > any value to the discussion but makes me feel like drinking some jb.
>
> > > So basically I think that you can get some good and useful information
> > > as long as you can figure out what is valuable. Its like trying to
> > > figure out what real news is. There are some sources out there but
> > > they are all mixed in with the junk.
>
> > > Andres
>
> > I'm leaving for the coast. I'm a Brown disciple and a reader of Muzi,
> > Chalo, Ornee, et al. Brown told me to get a vernier caliper.
> > I haven't got the slightest idea: Brown excelled at Part A mates with
> > Part B if done just so the used his vast knowledge and Asimov NE
> > approach and the newly invented internet to dispell ignorance.
> > We had something in common there. I used the bicycle and internet as
> > part foundation for the science research I developed. Brown was
> > absolutely essential for my work. I told him that and he was pleased.
> > My family once lived down the road from Brown. He found that amusing.
> > We came within a hair of saving the country had not Organized Crime
> > interfered. History slipped from our grasp.
> > Brown's bicycle information is a big deal with global warming and
> > should "stand the test of time(s)" We're taught a small group of
> > people are necessary for moving ideas forward: Brown is several
> > thousand.
> > I have a gift for generating empathy with the environment. I can speak
> > with animals. So the big game are the large brained marine mammals on
> > the west coast. I'm Brown's age so this is my shot past the WTC and
> > NASA where the mob and the Feds have put up a closed door. They
> > threaten to follow me but maybe not. There are people in psychology
> > and marine biology believing the Rosetta is mine.
> > That pleased Brown. And off course I have a new yellow 29'er (from
> > Chalo)for land recognition from my "animal friends."
>
> Saying "Brown" like that makes it sounds like a bad UPS ad, Gene.
>
> Speaking of Sheldon's verniers, I bought a bunch of cheap plastic ones
> ($5/half dozen, I think) and handed them out a jokey gifts at the
> office. I was somewhat shocked that nobody else knew how to read one.
> What do they teach in the school of hard knocks these days, anyway?
> Does everything have to be digital?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

damned if I'd go thru life with a name like Sheldon Brown. I'd change
to Romian Lettuce, or Winslow Fomer or Fredrick the Grate...

[Kerry Montgomery]

"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:00d7fbd4-d3ce-4017-8947-cad476d1bb4d@v17g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 8, 2:30 am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
> "Andre Jute" <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8f307ada-9d3d-447e-a327-995df3e0c24f@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 7, 4:16 pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>
>
> Just to make Ed Dolan (1) insanely jealous, near the bottom of this
> page I am receiving a complicated electronics formula directly from
> the hand of the
> Creator:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20124%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
> Scroll down to the illustration near the bottom. It takes a lot of
> cycling to achieve muscle tone like that.
>
> The Master Formula of Tube Amps is here, just so Creepy Carl doesn't
> call me a liar again because he's too dumb to ask where it
> is:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/KISS%20141%20by%20Andre%20Jute.htm
>
> No brain drain at RBT. All I see is natural attrition (albeit a huge
> lump of it all at once with Sheldon's death). All usenet groups go
> through phases; this one too will pass.
>
> Andre,
> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?

The dog that didn't bark in the night.

> What does this post have to do with RBT?

I don't know. I'm new here. I was just replying to NMT's post in which
he gave this reference
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster>
Perhaps you should ask NMT what his post has to do with RBT, or you
might ask the RBTers, who were discussing the hicksville anti-monkey
Education Board which is intent on reversing the outcome of the Scopes
monkey trial, what their posts have to do with RBT.

> Kerry

HTH.

Are you RBT's resident Topic Police?

Andre,
My newsreader didn't show any indication that your post was a reply, so
didn't know that you were responding to NMT's post. I haven't been following
any conversations on RBT about the hicksville anti-monkey Education Board.
Nope, not RBT's resident Topic Police.
Kerry

[Tom Sherman]

Andre Jute wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2:30 am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> Andre,
>> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?
>
> The dog that didn't bark in the night....

Ed Dolan hates footnotes in Usenet posts, which is all the more reason
to use them.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Andre Jute]

> Andre,
> My newsreader didn't show any indication that your post was a reply, so
> didn't know that you were responding to NMT's post.
[snip]
> Kerry

That's odd. It makes two now with that problem, Ed Dolan being the
other one.

Andre Jute
It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature -- Microsoft Excuse No.
1171

[Andre Jute]

On Feb 8, 3:48*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 2:30 am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Andre,
> >> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?
>
> > The dog that didn't bark in the night....
>
> Ed Dolan hates footnotes in Usenet posts, which is all the more reason
> to use them.

Heh-heh.

> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Have you asked your partner yet why she called your little one Missing
Comma?

The weather is here, wish you were, beautiful.

Andre Jute
Women love a sense of humour, as long as it isn't directed at them,
and not so broad that they laugh involuntarily and thereby crease
their skin.

[Zoot Katz]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:57:35 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote, in part:
\
>> Soon it will be spring and we can all be heroes, explaining once more
>> how the little unscrewy thing on a presta valve works, etc.
>
>Or we can argue about the value of a valve cap on a presta valve.

There is no discussion on valve caps except as to where they
disappear even though that question has been answered.

The great debate involves the screwyon thing holding the valve stem.
--
zk

[Barry]

> It's really unfortunate that United doesn't consider San Jose a co-terminal
> to San Francisco. San Jose is almost never affected by weather, but they
> won't generally let you change your return to go there instead (when SFO is
> shut down by the tiniest amount of fog, which is often the case in the
> summer).

Just to nit-pick a little bit - I doubt the airport is actually closed down by
the fog. Most likely the problems are that:

- a lot of planes and crews aren't approved to do the lowest approaches
("Category III")

- the runways at SFO are too close together to allow normal operations when
the weather is bad, basically limiting arrival traffic by half

[datakoll]

On Feb 8, 9:10*am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:07*pm, Brian Huntley <brian_hunt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 11:06 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 6, 10:31 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 6, 6:28 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> > > > > rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> > > > > I'll see someone will write a "how do
> > > > > you fix this" question, and the only
> > > > > coherent reply will be, "can't you
> > > > > afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> > > > > there is the archives, that's usually
> > > > > where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> > > > > are in a disposable society, and
> > > > > knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> > > > > money fixes everything now.
>
> > > > I think that there are still good sources of info that I can rely on..
> > > > Peter, Mike, Andrew and Jobst are pretty reliable. Once in a while
> > > > Gene comes along and then I need to get a secret text decoder to
> > > > figure out if the content had any practical value, if it was purely
> > > > poetic, or if a door to a different dimension opened up and let some
> > > > text enter into the newsgroup. Gene is the uncertainty principle
> > > > manifested at the macro level. Other times jb pops up in the middle of
> > > > a discussion with some diatribe against JB which usually does not add
> > > > any value to the discussion but makes me feel like drinking some jb.
>
> > > > So basically I think that you can get some good and useful information
> > > > as long as you can figure out what is valuable. Its like trying to
> > > > figure out what real news is. There are some sources out there but
> > > > they are all mixed in with the junk.
>
> > > > Andres
>
> > > I'm leaving for the coast. I'm a Brown disciple and a reader of Muzi,
> > > Chalo, Ornee, et al. Brown told me to get a vernier caliper.
> > > I haven't got the slightest idea: Brown excelled at Part A mates with
> > > Part B if done just so the used his vast knowledge and Asimov NE
> > > approach and the newly invented internet to dispell ignorance.
> > > We had something in common there. I used the bicycle and internet as
> > > part foundation for the science research I developed. Brown was
> > > absolutely essential for my work. I told him that and he was pleased.
> > > My family once lived down the road from Brown. He found that amusing.
> > > We came within a hair of saving the country had not Organized Crime
> > > interfered. History slipped from our grasp.
> > > Brown's bicycle information is a big deal with global warming and
> > > should "stand the test of time(s)" We're taught a small group of
> > > people are necessary for moving ideas forward: Brown is several
> > > thousand.
> > > I have a gift for generating empathy with the environment. I can speak
> > > with animals. So the big game are the large brained marine mammals on
> > > the west coast. I'm Brown's age so this is my shot past the WTC and
> > > NASA where the mob and the Feds have put up a closed door. They
> > > threaten to follow me but maybe not. There are people in psychology
> > > and marine biology believing the Rosetta is mine.
> > > That pleased Brown. And off course I have a new yellow 29'er (from
> > > Chalo)for land recognition from my "animal friends."
>
> > Saying "Brown" like that makes it sounds like a bad UPS ad, Gene.
>
> > Speaking of Sheldon's verniers, I bought a bunch of cheap plastic ones
> > ($5/half dozen, I think) and handed them out a jokey gifts at the
> > office. I was somewhat shocked that nobody else knew how to read one.
> > What do they teach in the school of hard knocks these days, anyway?
> > Does everything have to be digital?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> damned if I'd go thru life with a name like Sheldon Brown. I'd change
> to Romian Lettuce, or Winslow Fomer or Fredrick the Grate...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

brrrrrrrrrr brrrrrrrrrrr

hello? to whom am I speaking?

Fredrick the Grate here, what.....

[Tom Sherman]

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> damned if I'd go thru life with a name like Sheldon Brown. I'd change
> to Romian Lettuce, or Winslow Fomer or Fredrick the Grate...

I thought Sheldon Brown played for the Iggles:
<http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5945>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[datakoll]

On Feb 8, 9:24*am, "Barry" <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > It's really unfortunate that United doesn't consider San Jose a co-terminal
> > to San Francisco. San Jose is almost never affected by weather, but they
> > won't generally let you change your return to go there instead (when SFO is
> > shut down by the tiniest amount of fog, which is often the case in the
> > summer).
>
> Just to nit-pick a little bit - I doubt the airport is actually closed down by
> the fog. *Most likely the problems are that:
>
> - a lot of planes and crews aren't approved to do the lowest approaches
> ("Category III")
>
> - the runways at SFO are too close together to allow normal operations when
> the weather is bad, basically limiting arrival traffic by half

ah proved?

"No Fomer Fomer F-O-M-E-R no A"

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

>> It's really unfortunate that United doesn't consider San Jose a
>> co-terminal to San Francisco. San Jose is almost never affected by
>> weather, but they won't generally let you change your return to go there
>> instead (when SFO is shut down by the tiniest amount of fog, which is
>> often the case in the summer).
>
> Just to nit-pick a little bit - I doubt the airport is actually closed
> down by the fog. Most likely the problems are that:
>
> - a lot of planes and crews aren't approved to do the lowest approaches
> ("Category III")
>
> - the runways at SFO are too close together to allow normal operations
> when the weather is bad, basically limiting arrival traffic by half

The latter part is true. The runways are too close together so arrivals are,
in fact, reduced by one-half. And unfortunately, the fog tends to hit during
the busiest times (6-10am). Outbound traffic is affected every bit as much
as inbound because, with the exception of planes that have been there
overnight, the outbound runways aren't going to get any more traffic than
inbound.

The effect is that the airport is basically closed to anything that's not
long-distance and can't be easily diverted. It makes quite a mess of things.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Barry" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:ZcudnYghNqKG-zHanZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com...
>> It's really unfortunate that United doesn't consider San Jose a
>> co-terminal to San Francisco. San Jose is almost never affected by
>> weather, but they won't generally let you change your return to go there
>> instead (when SFO is shut down by the tiniest amount of fog, which is
>> often the case in the summer).
>
> Just to nit-pick a little bit - I doubt the airport is actually closed
> down by the fog. Most likely the problems are that:
>
> - a lot of planes and crews aren't approved to do the lowest approaches
> ("Category III")
>
> - the runways at SFO are too close together to allow normal operations
> when the weather is bad, basically limiting arrival traffic by half
>

[Tom Sherman]

Andre Jute wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 2:30 am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Andre,
>>>> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?
>>> The dog that didn't bark in the night....
>> Ed Dolan hates footnotes in Usenet posts, which is all the more reason
>> to use them.
>
> Heh-heh.
>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> Have you asked your partner yet why she called your little one Missing
> Comma?
>
Thankfully I live alone.

> The weather is here, wish you were, beautiful.
>
No, my version is written to be the reverse of the post card bromide
from the vacationer, "The weather is beautiful, wish you were here."

> Andre Jute
> Women love a sense of humour, as long as it isn't directed at them,
> and not so broad that they laugh involuntarily and thereby crease
> their skin.

Women love to have money spent on them.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Michael Press]

In article
<341258ee-0042-4592-bdf2-fd52f61eba2d@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Scott Gordo <blubberpuss@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 6, 8:28*pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> > rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> > I'll see someone will write a "how do
> > you fix this" question, and the only
> > coherent reply will be, "can't you
> > afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> > there is the archives, that's usually
> > where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> > are in a disposable society, and
> > knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> > money fixes everything now.
>
> Dear Heart Attack 29er Man,
>
> Puh-leeze. I get accurate, easily comprehended, succinct, thoughtful
> responses from experienced people every time I ask a technical
> question here. Best resource I know of, and it's free! Every newsgroup
> should be this good. Maybe if you ask a direct and OT question, you'll
> get a direct and OT answer.

I have received immediate helpful advice on
USENET groups for sewing, C language,
Vim editor, and others. Usenet has a daunting
reputation, belied by the presence of immediate
help on any subject from masters of their craft,
freely given. This is totally new.

All that is asked is that one describe the situation
and question lucidly.

--
Michael Press

[Jay Beattie]

On Feb 8, 4:48*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> On Feb 8, 2:30 am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>> Andre,
> >>>> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?
> >>> The dog that didn't bark in the night....
> >> Ed Dolan hates footnotes in Usenet posts, which is all the more reason
> >> to use them.
>
> > Heh-heh.
>
> >> --
> >> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> > Have you asked your partner yet why she called your little one Missing
> > Comma?
>
> Thankfully I live alone.
>
> > The weather is here, wish you were, beautiful.
>
> No, my version is written to be the reverse of the post card bromide
> from the vacationer, "The weather is beautiful, wish you were here."
>
> > Andre Jute
> > Women love a sense of humour, as long as it isn't directed at them,
> > and not so broad that they laugh involuntarily and thereby crease
> > their skin.
>
> Women love to have money spent on them.

Gawd. Vocabulary word for the day: misognyny.-- Jay Beattie.

[datakoll]

On Feb 8, 9:07*pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <341258ee-0042-4592-bdf2-fd52f61eb...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> *Scott Gordo <blubberp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 8:28*pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Slowly but surely, the true brains of
> > > rbt are going away. *I'm sure some day
> > > I'll see someone will write a "how do
> > > you fix this" question, and the only
> > > coherent reply will be, "can't you
> > > afford to buy a new bike?" *At least
> > > there is the archives, that's usually
> > > where I search first. *It's sad, but we
> > > are in a disposable society, and
> > > knowledge is no longer valued. *Only
> > > money fixes everything now.
>
> > Dear Heart Attack 29er Man,
>
> > Puh-leeze. I get accurate, easily comprehended, succinct, thoughtful
> > responses from experienced people every time I ask a technical
> > question here. Best resource I know of, and it's free! Every newsgroup
> > should be this good. Maybe if you ask a direct and OT question, you'll
> > get a direct and OT answer.
>
> I have received immediate helpful advice on
> USENET groups for sewing, C language,
> Vim editor, and others. Usenet has a daunting
> reputation, belied by the presence of immediate
> help on any subject from masters of their craft,
> freely given. This is totally new.
>
> All that is asked is that one describe the situation
> and question lucidly.
>
> --
> Michael Press- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

people over at Alt.Bees are hostile

[Tom Sherman]

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> ...
> people over at Alt.Bees are hostile

Do their comments sting?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Tom Sherman]

Jay Beattie wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:48 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2:30 am, "Kerry Montgomery" <kamon...@teleport.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Andre,
>>>>>> What does the (1) following Ed Dolan's name refer to?
>>>>> The dog that didn't bark in the night....
>>>> Ed Dolan hates footnotes in Usenet posts, which is all the more reason
>>>> to use them.
>>> Heh-heh.
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>> Have you asked your partner yet why she called your little one Missing
>>> Comma?
>> Thankfully I live alone.
>>
>>> The weather is here, wish you were, beautiful.
>> No, my version is written to be the reverse of the post card bromide
>> from the vacationer, "The weather is beautiful, wish you were here."
>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Women love a sense of humour, as long as it isn't directed at them,
>>> and not so broad that they laugh involuntarily and thereby crease
>>> their skin.
>> Women love to have money spent on them.
>
> Gawd. Vocabulary word for the day: misognyny.-- Jay Beattie.

I judge by what I observe.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[A Muzi]

> On Feb 8, 4:48 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> Women love to have money spent on them.

Jay Beattie wrote:
> Gawd. Vocabulary word for the day: misognyny.-- Jay Beattie.

I beg to differ.

Both kinds of human crave attention. Women can also enjoy the social
oneupsmanship of tangible affection symbols (mink, gold, etc). Where a
man may brag that he worked and saved or scrounged or found on ebay
cheap some social-points geegaw, it holds not a candle to a woman's
esteem by her peers when she gets flowers at work. That observation
isn't mysogynist.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Jay Beattie]

On Feb 9, 11:28*am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 4:48 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >> Women love to have money spent on them.
> Jay Beattie wrote:
> > Gawd. *Vocabulary word for the day: misognyny.-- Jay Beattie.
>
> I beg to differ.
>
> Both kinds of human crave attention. Women can also enjoy the social
> oneupsmanship of tangible affection symbols (mink, gold, etc). Where a
> man may brag that he worked and saved or scrounged or found on ebay
> cheap some social-points geegaw, it holds not a candle to a woman's
> esteem by her peers when she gets flowers at work. That observation
> isn't mysogynist.

I am perfectly fine with "some women love to have money spent on
them." Tom's blanket statement sounds misogynistic because it paints
all women as money grubbers, which clearly is not true, at least in my
world. -- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Sherman]

Jay Beattie wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:28 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 4:48 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>>> Women love to have money spent on them.
>> Jay Beattie wrote:
>>> Gawd. Vocabulary word for the day: misognyny.-- Jay Beattie.
>> I beg to differ.
>>
>> Both kinds of human crave attention. Women can also enjoy the social
>> oneupsmanship of tangible affection symbols (mink, gold, etc). Where a
>> man may brag that he worked and saved or scrounged or found on ebay
>> cheap some social-points geegaw, it holds not a candle to a woman's
>> esteem by her peers when she gets flowers at work. That observation
>> isn't mysogynist.
>
> I am perfectly fine with "some women love to have money spent on
> them." Tom's blanket statement sounds misogynistic because it paints
> all women as money grubbers, which clearly is not true, at least in my
> world. -- Jay Beattie.
>
They (both women and men) are into relationships for selfish reasons.
Love is a concept invented so people could delude themselves into
thinking that they are morally better than they actually are.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[still just me]

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:16:54 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>They (both women and men) are into relationships for selfish reasons.
>Love is a concept invented so people could delude themselves into
>thinking that they are morally better than they actually are.

Not me, I'm into it for the other person. That's why I date hot
babes... I can really get into them and provide maximum benefits!

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d43sq3locfs18m8utjt3s9mdj8rqf1kdqe@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:16:54 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>They (both women and men) are into relationships for selfish reasons.
>>Love is a concept invented so people could delude themselves into
>>thinking that they are morally better than they actually are.
>
> Not me, I'm into it for the other person. That's why I date hot
> babes... I can really get into them and provide maximum benefits!

Bikes are more reliable.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Brian Huntley]

On Feb 9, 10:42 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> OK, Why would you want to spend 2 hours repairing a $20 part?

I blew up a derailer about half way between Plaster Rock and San
Quentin, New Brunswick, once. I hitched to SQ, got a cheapo derailer
at a hardware store, and frankenstien (Stein?) monstered them
together. Next day, I did 130 km in the rain, but it was still better
than being stuck immobile, blue again.

Sometimes time is all you've got.

[Tom Sherman]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d43sq3locfs18m8utjt3s9mdj8rqf1kdqe@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:16:54 -0600, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They (both women and men) are into relationships for selfish reasons.
>>> Love is a concept invented so people could delude themselves into
>>> thinking that they are morally better than they actually are.
>>
>> Not me, I'm into it for the other person. That's why I date hot
>> babes... I can really get into them and provide maximum benefits!
>
> Bikes are more reliable.

Just make sure the door is secured with a lock that can not be easily
opened from the outside:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7098116.stm>.

(Note to the humorless: this posting should NOT be construed to be an
implication that I believe that Mike Jacoubowsky engages in such acts.)

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[A Muzi]

>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> They (both women and men) are into relationships for selfish reasons.
>>> Love is a concept invented so people could delude themselves into
>>> thinking that they are morally better than they actually are.

> "still just me" <wheeledBobNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Not me, I'm into it for the other person. That's why I date hot
>> babes... I can really get into them and provide maximum benefits!

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Bikes are more reliable.

And your sleek road bike doesn't care that you ride that dirty fixie on
rainy days for a different kind of pleasure.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tim McNamara]

Steven-

Thanks for removing the Chinese characters from your display name. That
unicode stuff still breaks or partially breaks a lot of internet
applications.