A life of privilege [Archive]

Edward Dolan

12-31-1969, 07:00 PM

"ZBicyclist" <ZBicyclist@excite.com> wrote in message
news:38UAj.8315$Mh2.2824@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article <b4idnRDA7pBj1E7anZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>>> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>>
>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>>
>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>
> Even Wikipedia gets these right.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_virtues

Saint Edward the Great is a Great Saint and only concerns himself with the
theological virtues. I leave all the lesser virtues to sinners like ZB and
Michael Press.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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In some Christian traditions, there are four cardinal virtues: prudence,
temperance, fortitude, and justice. These were derived initially from
Plato's scheme (see Protagoras 330b, which also includes piety (hosiotes))
and adapted by Saint Ambrose, Augustine of Hippo, and Thomas Aquinas (see
Summa Theologica II(I).61).

The term "cardinal" comes from the Latin cardo or hinge; the cardinal
virtues are so called because they are hinges upon which the door of the
moral life swings.

Plato identified them with the classes of the city described in the
Republic, and with the faculties of man. Temperance was associated with the
producing classes, the farmers and craftsmen, and with the animal appetites;
fortitude with the warrior class and with the spirited element in man;
prudence with the rulers and with reason. Justice stands outside the class
system and divisions of man, and rules the proper relationship among the
three of them.

It may have been taken up from there into Jewish philosophy; Wisdom 8:7
reads, "She [Wisdom] teacheth temperance, and prudence, and justice, and
fortitude, which are such things as men can have nothing more profitable in
life."

It was certainly taken up in Christianity, as St. Augustine, discussing the
morals of the church, described them:

For these four virtues (would that all felt their influence in their minds
as they have their names in their mouths!), I should have no hesitation in
defining them: that temperance is love giving itself entirely to that which
is loved; fortitude is love readily bearing all things for the sake of the
loved object; justice is love serving only the loved object, and therefore
ruling rightly; prudence is love distinguishing with sagacity between what
hinders it and what helps it.

These "cardinal" virtues are not the same as the three theological virtues:
faith, hope, and charity (see 1 Corinthians 13). Together, they comprise
what is known as the seven cardinal virtues, also known as the heavenly
virtues.

History of the Virtues

While history suggests that the first four date back to Greek philosophers
and were applicable to all people seeking to live moral lives, the
theological virtues appear to be specific to Christians as written by Paul
in The New Testament.

In Genesis, Chapter 28 Jacob describes his vision of a ladder or stairway
leading to heaven. In oral tradition, the three principal rungs on the
ladder were denominated Faith, Hope and Love. (The King James Version of the
Bible uses "charity," but "charity" was derived from caritas, or "love.")
These three are mentioned in Chapter 13 of First Corinthians: And now these
three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Because of this reference, the seven attributes are sometimes grouped as
four cardinal virtues (prudence, temperance, fortitude, justice) and three
heavenly graces (faith, hope, charity).

The cardinal virtues are distinguished from the capital virtues. The capital
virtues are often paired with the much more widely known capital (or
"deadly") sins. The capital virtues are: humility, liberality, brotherly
love, meekness, chastity, temperance, and diligence. The capital sins,
sometimes called the "seven deadly sins," are pride, avarice (greed), envy,
wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth.

still just me

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:32:25 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
>of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
>without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
>the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
>wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.

Cold and wet with precipitation? Those are just days to go jogging.

Mike

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

In article <40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102ddc@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, fiultra@yahoo.com says...
> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> curtains.
>
Well, for your neigbours sake, I am glad you don't perform these tasks in the opposite order. But it is nice to hear of
someone else who is an all-season cyclist. The weather here is never really cold (although the 120 kmh winds can be a
bit of a trial), but sometimes I feel I am the only one in the city who does a regular cycle-commute in the wet season.

Mike

Jay

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

Andre Jute wrote:
> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> curtains.
>
> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>
> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> on end.
>
Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Jay

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102ddc@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> curtains.
>
> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>
> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> on end.
>
> Andre Jute
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html
>
Hey my friend A Man!

We *choose* to live here. Ain't no chains on our ankles. Anyone who don't
like it, is free to leave. Many have indeed left this area for NV or AZ,
whatever. The only problem there, is obviously WATER because those states
are mostly DESERT. (Caps used because some folks who moved, for some reason
did not know beforehand, they were moving into the AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN
DESERT.)

In my general part of the US, locals refer to these parts, various
affectionate ways - the Heartland - northern plains, couple others. My
great-great-grandparents emigrated from Germany and Austria. They got their
land through the Homestead Act of 1862. That land is still in my family
today. I will never sell it, though I do not live on it. Long story.

Long story short, we (in these parts) like the dramatic change of seasons.
We adapt.

Stoic German-Austrian J.

Jay

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102ddc@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> curtains.
>
> I was once somewhat embarrassed, at how easily life came to me. That was
> when I was a young idealist liberal, probably a Democrat, as an undergrad,
> on an academic scholarship.

Now, in middle life, I take what I can get, legally, and always trying to be
nice about it. So others don't catch on, that I am just out for my own good.

And I am not trying to mend my ways.

truth to tell - J.

Camilo

01-04-1970, 04:32 AM

On Mar 3, 1:32 pm, Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> on end.

Don't feel sorry for me Andre. I get to ski about 6 months of the
year and that is more fun and better all around exercise than
cycling. Oh, I love cycling too, and do it the other 6 months of the
year.

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 04:39 AM

On Mar 4, 9:01*pm, Mike <m.fee@iirrll..ccrrii..nnzz> wrote:
> In article <40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, fiul...@yahoo.com says...> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > curtains.
>
> Well, for your neigbours sake, I am glad you don't perform these tasks in the opposite order. But it is nice to hear of
> someone else who is an all-season cyclist. The weather here is never really cold (although the 120 kmh winds can be a
> bit of a trial), but sometimes I feel I am the only one in the city who does a regular cycle-commute in the wet season.
>
> Mike

All-season cyclist, sure, but not all-weather cyclist. The point of "a
life of privilege" is that I live in Ireland which has, believe it or
not, what is officially described as a "Mediterranean climate".
Observably it hardly ever rains here so hard or often, or is so cold,
or so windy, that cycling is impossible -- or even uncomfortable. I
did wear long underwear for one ride this winter (for the first time
in several years), but in the main my gripes are mickey mouse stuff:
eyes that tear for a bit until I get warm, goggles that fog up. It's
stuff that the real hard men of cycling, who commute in snow and
whatnot, would just laugh off. Here's one for you: my paclite jacket
has gone mouldy in my rackpack -- because I haven't worn it in two or
three years; the implication is that in all that time, I have never
been caught in a rainstorm too heavy for the light cotton jacket I
often wear when it is a soft day -- local patois for the sort of
pervasive damp mist of tiny droplets, not quite rain, not quite dry,
for which tweeds is the recommended remedy for all but cyclists.

120kph winds? You're not serious, are you? 30kph and I stay home,
knowing that in an hour or two the wind will be gone.

Mind you, the Tourist Board won't want me saying this, but every time
I come to my front door to test really heavy rain -- that is precisely
the time I always see the major touring bikers go by, looking
forlornly like wet chickens. This is after all the birthplace of
Murphy of Murphy's Law.

Wind 25kph today, 12 degrees C, rode 11km because that was all I had
time for.

Andre Jute
"Ireland is so damp, if you throw your soiled shorts in the corner of
an evening, in the morning you can pick enough mushrooms for a fine
breakfast." -- Butch Roberts, fishing boat captain

Mike

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

In article <3647d891-5b4f-4c84-aab0-954e11e76fd9@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>, fiultra@yahoo.com says...
> On Mar 4, 9:01*pm, Mike <m.fee@iirrll..ccrrii..nnzz> wrote:
> > In article <40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, fiul...@yahoo.com says...> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > > curtains.
> >
> > Well, for your neigbours sake, I am glad you don't perform these tasks in the opposite order. But it is nice to hear of
> > someone else who is an all-season cyclist. The weather here is never really cold (although the 120 kmh winds can be a
> > bit of a trial), but sometimes I feel I am the only one in the city who does a regular cycle-commute in the wet season.
> >
> > Mike
>
> All-season cyclist, sure, but not all-weather cyclist. The point of "a
> life of privilege" is that I live in Ireland which has, believe it or
> not, what is officially described as a "Mediterranean climate".
> Observably it hardly ever rains here so hard or often, or is so cold,
> or so windy, that cycling is impossible -- or even uncomfortable. I
> did wear long underwear for one ride this winter (for the first time
> in several years), but in the main my gripes are mickey mouse stuff:
> eyes that tear for a bit until I get warm, goggles that fog up. It's
> stuff that the real hard men of cycling, who commute in snow and
> whatnot, would just laugh off. Here's one for you: my paclite jacket
> has gone mouldy in my rackpack -- because I haven't worn it in two or
> three years; the implication is that in all that time, I have never
> been caught in a rainstorm too heavy for the light cotton jacket I
> often wear when it is a soft day -- local patois for the sort of
> pervasive damp mist of tiny droplets, not quite rain, not quite dry,
> for which tweeds is the recommended remedy for all but cyclists.
>
> 120kph winds? You're not serious, are you? 30kph and I stay home,
> knowing that in an hour or two the wind will be gone.
>
Wellington, New Zealand isn't _all_ that different to Ireland in its weather - except for the fact that it moves past
us a lot faster! We are a bit drier (~1000 mm rain a year), a little warmer (summers around 20-23 C, winters 6-12 C on
a typoical day), snow very uncommon. But it is very windy. Something like 120 kph would be a fierce gust, but 80-90 kph
gusts are a weekly ocurrance, and it isn't uncommon to be cycling in 'still air' at 35-40 kph (assuming you are
commuting in the 'right' direction). The cross-winds are the real killers.

About 18 years ago I spent 12 months and 24,000 km cycling all over Europe. To my best recollection, there were only 6-
7 days in the whole time and distance (up in Denmark mostly), that compared in wind velocity to an 'average' spring or
autumn equinox day back at home.

Mike

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

Jay Bollyn wrote:
>
> The crummy winter weather in Chicago makes one appreciate the nice summer
> weather even more.[...]

Hey, four counties north we have had about twice the snow as Chicago.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

On Mar 5, 3:48*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > curtains.
>
> > Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> > of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> > without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> > the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> > wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>
> > I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> > and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> > on end.
>
> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
you could now be a grimacing softy.

Cruella de Ville
About this time I usually have a little snack. Bring a Dalmatian puppy.

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

Andre Jute wrote:
> On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
>>> curtains.
>>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
>>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
>>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
>>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
>>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
>>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
>>> on end.
>> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
>> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
>> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
>> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>>
>
> See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
> you could now be a grimacing softy.
>
Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.

Of course, the last time it was really cold here was 1995, when it was
-35°C temperature, with a wind chill of -55°C. Of course, I worked
outside for the full day.

Later in the same year, I worked a full day outside with the temperature
being at 35°C and a heat index of 50°C.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

mark@drumbent.com

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

On Mar 4, 11:31 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> >>> curtains.
> >>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> >>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> >>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> >>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> >>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
> >>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> >>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> >>> on end.
> >> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
> >> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
> >> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
> >> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>
> > See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
> > you could now be a grimacing softy.
>
> Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.
>
> Of course, the last time it was really cold here was 1995, when it was
> -35°C temperature, with a wind chill of -55°C. Of course, I worked
> outside for the full day.
>
> Later in the same year, I worked a full day outside with the temperature
> being at 35°C and a heat index of 50°C.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Here in Ottawa it was predicted that we were in for a cold, hard
winter. Instead, it's actually been relatively mild, but damn have we
got a lot of snow! We had our largest single-day snowfall back on
Dec. 17, and the season total so far is 237cm (93 inches). As I type
we're getting hit with what could be another 20cm, and if that happens
then we'd be in 2nd place for our all-time snowfall accumulation.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/03/04/more-snow.html

I'm cycling as always, but am getting a little tired of the slush and
snow and will be downright giddy whenever Spring decides to show up.

Mark

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

On Mar 5, 4:31 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> >>> curtains.
> >>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> >>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> >>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> >>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> >>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
> >>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> >>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> >>> on end.
> >> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
> >> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
> >> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
> >> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>
> > See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
> > you could now be a grimacing softy.
>
> Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.
>
> Of course, the last time it was really cold here was 1995, when it was
> -35°C temperature, with a wind chill of -55°C. Of course, I worked
> outside for the full day.
>
> Later in the same year, I worked a full day outside with the temperature
> being at 35°C and a heat index of 50°C.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

I grew up in a desert called the Little Karroo. In summer noonday
temperatures could be 120 degrees Fahrenheit, in winter open water
would be frozen every morning. Left for more temperate climes as soon
as I could. Mind you, the heat didn't stop us boys taking twenty and
thirty mile cycling trips; we were used to it, and would swim in the
river on our return and complain about the water being cold, brrr.

Andre Jute
Sometime Bedouin

Ozark Bicycle

01-04-1970, 04:41 AM

On Mar 4, 10:31*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> >>> curtains.
> >>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> >>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> >>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> >>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> >>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
> >>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> >>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> >>> on end.
> >> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
> >> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
> >> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
> >> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>
> > See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
> > you could now be a grimacing softy.
>
> Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.

Did you really live in Quebec?

>
> Of course, the last time it was really cold here was 1995, when it was
> -35°C temperature, with a wind chill of -55°C. Of course, I worked
> outside for the full day.
>
> Later in the same year, I worked a full day outside with the temperature
> being at 35°C and a heat index of 50°C.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

datakoll

01-04-1970, 04:42 AM

time for a run on the beach

Luke

01-04-1970, 04:42 AM

In article
<42e38b62-9465-4ef8-9f07-875c280d558e@v3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
<mark@drumbent.com> wrote:

> Here in Ottawa it was predicted that we were in for a cold, hard
> winter. Instead, it's actually been relatively mild, but damn have we
> got a lot of snow! We had our largest single-day snowfall back on
> Dec. 17, and the season total so far is 237cm (93 inches). As I type
> we're getting hit with what could be another 20cm, and if that happens
> then we'd be in 2nd place for our all-time snowfall accumulation.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/03/04/more-snow.html
>
> I'm cycling as always, but am getting a little tired of the slush and
> snow and will be downright giddy whenever Spring decides to show up.
>
> Mark

Well Toronto received another 10-15cm last night. But forecasts call
for another 10 to 15 Friday. But presently it's 0 Celsius - positively
balmy. And sunny! Think I'll go for a ride...

mark@drumbent.com

01-04-1970, 04:42 AM

On Mar 5, 4:19 am, m...@drumbent.com wrote:
> On Mar 4, 11:31 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Andre Jute wrote:
> > >>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > >>> curtains.
> > >>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> > >>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> > >>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> > >>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> > >>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
> > >>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> > >>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> > >>> on end.
> > >> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
> > >> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
> > >> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
> > >> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>
> > > See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
> > > you could now be a grimacing softy.
>
> > Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.
>
> > Of course, the last time it was really cold here was 1995, when it was
> > -35°C temperature, with a wind chill of -55°C. Of course, I worked
> > outside for the full day.
>
> > Later in the same year, I worked a full day outside with the temperature
> > being at 35°C and a heat index of 50°C.
>
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> Here in Ottawa it was predicted that we were in for a cold, hard
> winter. Instead, it's actually been relatively mild, but damn have we
> got a lot of snow! We had our largest single-day snowfall back on
> Dec. 17, and the season total so far is 237cm (93 inches). As I type
> we're getting hit with what could be another 20cm, and if that happens
> then we'd be in 2nd place for our all-time snowfall accumulation.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/03/04/more-snow.html
>
> I'm cycling as always, but am getting a little tired of the slush and
> snow and will be downright giddy whenever Spring decides to show up.
>
> Mark

And to add to what I wrote above, we succeeded that amount and so
welcome to our 2nd snowiest winter. Problem is, they just forecasted
what could be our worst storm yet, with a possible 30 - 50 cm starting
Friday night and through the weekend!

This is our 3rd storm warning in a week, and as of tonight there's a
complete ban on street parking across the urban core so that crews can
get the current accumulation off the roads before this next load comes
in. Being early March I'm sure they were hoping to just leave it so it
would melt away in the coming weeks. But as it is right now on some
side streets emerg. vehicles are having difficulties getting through.

And while it's great to have no parked cars around, the cycling is not
so great. I'll take dry streets and -20C temps over this mess any
day!

Mark

A Muzi

01-04-1970, 04:44 AM

datakoll wrote:
> time for a run on the beach

Her husband's home?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 04:44 AM

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> time for a run on the beach

I went to the local beach a couple of weeks ago, and had it all to
myself (except for the gulls).

I actually saw a couple of people trying to surf in a windy day in
November on the same beach.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Ozark Bicycle

01-04-1970, 04:44 AM

On Mar 5, 12:15*pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> time for a run on the beach

There's nothing worse than having the runs on the beach, especially if
one is some distance from the bath house.

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 04:44 AM

On Mar 5, 8:57*pm, Mike <m.fee@iirrll..ccrrii..nnzz> wrote:
> In article <3647d891-5b4f-4c84-aab0-954e11e76...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>, fiul...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > On Mar 4, 9:01*pm, Mike <m.fee@iirrll..ccrrii..nnzz> wrote:
> > > In article <40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, fiul...@yahoo.com says...> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > > > curtains.
>
> > > Well, for your neigbours sake, I am glad you don't perform these tasks in the opposite order. But it is nice to hear of
> > > someone else who is an all-season cyclist. The weather here is never really cold (although the 120 kmh winds can be a
> > > bit of a trial), but sometimes I feel I am the only one in the city who does a regular cycle-commute in the wet season.
>
> > > Mike
>
> > All-season cyclist, sure, but not all-weather cyclist. The point of "a
> > life of privilege" is that I live in Ireland which has, believe it or
> > not, what is officially described as a "Mediterranean climate".
> > Observably it hardly ever rains here so hard or often, or is so cold,
> > or so windy, that cycling is impossible -- or even uncomfortable. I
> > did wear long underwear for one ride this winter (for the first time
> > in several years), but in the main my gripes are mickey mouse stuff:
> > eyes that tear for a bit until I get warm, goggles that fog up. It's
> > stuff that the real hard men of cycling, who commute in snow and
> > whatnot, would just laugh off. Here's one for you: my paclite jacket
> > has gone mouldy in my rackpack -- because I haven't worn it in two or
> > three years; the implication is that in all that time, I have never
> > been caught in a rainstorm too heavy for the light cotton jacket I
> > often wear when it is a soft day -- local patois for the sort of
> > pervasive damp mist of tiny droplets, not quite rain, not quite dry,
> > for which tweeds is the recommended remedy for all but cyclists.
>
> > 120kph winds? You're not serious, are you? 30kph and I stay home,
> > knowing that in an hour or two the wind will be gone.
>
> Wellington, New Zealand isn't _all_ that different to Ireland in its weather - except for the fact that it moves past
> us a lot faster! We are a bit drier (~1000 mm rain a year), a little warmer (summers around 20-23 C, winters 6-12 C on
> a typoical day), snow very uncommon. But it is very windy. Something like 120 kph would be a fierce gust, but 80-90 kph
> gusts are a weekly ocurrance, and it isn't uncommon to be cycling in 'still air' at 35-40 kph (assuming you are
> commuting in the 'right' direction). The cross-winds are the real killers.
>
> About 18 years ago I spent 12 months and 24,000 km cycling all over Europe.. To my best recollection, there were only 6-
> 7 days in the whole time and distance (up in Denmark mostly), that compared in wind velocity to an 'average' spring or
> autumn equinox day back at home.
>
> Mike

Denmark is practically flat, so the wind would bother you there if
there is any. But I live and ride in a set of low hills defining
valleys. We get some wind up the river -- I live right on the river
and am in fact listening to it burble as I write this -- but nothing
like that; once out of town any serious wind is noteworthy, though
there is one dangerous crossing. But I rode there fifteen years before
being blown of, and never knew about it until the truckie who picked
me up told me it was a dangerous corner for concentrating the wind.
The next day I bobbled around to my physician, a neighbour and a chum,
but he wasn't worried by the huge spreading bruise from my knee to my
armpit: "Why should I worrry?" he said. "You walked in here, didn't
you? I worry when you're carried in."

Andre Jute
Windfarms are a blight on the countryside, too

datakoll

01-04-1970, 04:44 AM

i carry a stick
looks like fun but a mask and special tool eg the jaws of maytag with
air tank in the duffel maybe a filter over the camera.

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 04:45 AM

On Mar 6, 1:32*am, "Jay" <jbol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Andre Jute" <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102ddc@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > curtains.
>
> > Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> > of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> > without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> > the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> > wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>
> > I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> > and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> > on end.
>
> > Andre Jute
> >http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html
>
> Hey my friend A Man!
>
> We *choose* to live here. Ain't no chains on our ankles. Anyone who don't
> like it, is free to leave. Many have indeed left this area for NV or AZ,
> whatever. The only problem there, is obviously WATER because those states
> are mostly DESERT. (Caps used because some folks who moved, for some reason
> did not know beforehand, they were moving into the AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN
> DESERT.)
>
> In my general part of the US, locals refer to these parts, various
> affectionate ways - the Heartland - northern plains, couple others. My
> great-great-grandparents emigrated from Germany and Austria. They got their
> land through the Homestead Act of 1862. That land is still in my family
> today. I will never sell it, though I do not live on it. Long story.
>
> Long story short, we (in these parts) like the dramatic change of seasons.
> We adapt.
>
> Stoic German-Austrian J.

I grew up in an official desert, though by the time I was into my
teens irrigation had made it really a semi-desert. Hot as hell, colder
than Alaska just before dawn on a winter's day. We used to go hang on
the fence at the airport to see the plane land. Before the stairs,
they'd wheel out two sofas. The stairs were very side because the
copilot and the flight attendant both stood at the top beside the
door. We were all waiting for the tourists to come out. British people
were absolutely guaranteed to come into that dry heat, 100 degress F
minimum, often much more, and keel right over while half out of the
plane door. Then they would be laid out on the benches and wheeled
into the shade.

I bet if I went back, I'd faint right in the plane door, despite
living half my life in hot countries like Africa, South America and
Australia.

Nothing stoic about me, Jay; I can't even imagine fatalism or
stoicism. I'm a viking with celtic song in his soul. I shall rage,
rage against they dying of the light (1) till my very last breath.

Andre Jute
Impedance is futile, you will be simulated into the Dutch city bike of
the Borg. (2)

(1) Thanks, Dylan. (2) Thanks, Gene.

still just me

01-04-1970, 04:45 AM

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:32:45 -0600, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:

>My
>great-great-grandparents emigrated from Germany and Austria. They got their
>land through the Homestead Act of 1862. That land is still in my family
>today. I will never sell it, though I do not live on it. Long story.

Friggin newbie!

:-)

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 04:45 AM

Jay Bollyn wrote:
> "Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:40fd372b-e261-41f1-8994-435ac8102ddc@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
>> curtains.
>>
>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>>
>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
>> on end.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html
>>
> Hey my friend A Man!
>
> We *choose* to live here. Ain't no chains on our ankles. Anyone who don't
> like it, is free to leave. Many have indeed left this area for NV or AZ,
> whatever.

I left Chicagoland and moved north of the Cheddar Curtain.

> The only problem there, is obviously WATER because those states
> are mostly DESERT. (Caps used because some folks who moved, for some reason
> did not know beforehand, they were moving into the AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN
> DESERT.)
>
A pox on Bill Richardson for suggesting taking Great Lakes water outside
their watershed. When Phoenix is humid from people watering their lawns,
that is NOT a real water shortage.

> In my general part of the US, locals refer to these parts, various
> affectionate ways - the Heartland - northern plains, couple others. My
> great-great-grandparents emigrated from Germany and Austria. They got their
> land through the Homestead Act of 1862. That land is still in my family
> today. I will never sell it, though I do not live on it. Long story.
>
> Long story short, we (in these parts) like the dramatic change of seasons.
> We adapt.
>
The winters are much milder in the southern tier of Wisconsin counties
and farther south.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

datakoll

01-04-1970, 04:45 AM

ahhhaaa Jute is a BABOON!

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 04:45 AM

Andre Jute wrote:
>
> Denmark is practically flat, so the wind would bother you there if
> there is any.[...]

Due to viscous drag, wind speed is much lower near the ground. On flat
windy rides, I have passed many a better rider on my lowracer due to
this effect.

Here is a Dutch bicycle that is sensible for their flat, windy
conditions:
<http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/html/index.php?taal=en&selectie=taifun>.

Flame away!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 04:47 AM

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fqnuoh$hho$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Andre Jute wrote:
>>
>> Denmark is practically flat, so the wind would bother you there if
>> there is any.[...]
>
> Due to viscous drag, wind speed is much lower near the ground. On flat
> windy rides, I have passed many a better rider on my lowracer due to this
> effect.
>
> Here is a Dutch bicycle that is sensible for their flat, windy conditions:
> <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/html/index.php?taal=en&selectie=taifun>.
>
> Flame away!

Wind is the nemesis of all cyclists, no matter what kind of bike you are
riding. I have spent 30 years cursing the god damn ****ing wind here in SW
Minnesota. It takes all the fun out of cycling.

The wind is finally being put to some good use however. Wind power
generators (big windmills) are going up all over the countryside. It of
course ruins the landscape, but we need the energy I guess. Either that or
carpet atom bomb the Muslims of the Middle East so we can TAKE their ****ing
oil from them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

still just me

01-04-1970, 04:47 AM

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:24:17 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>A pox on Bill Richardson for suggesting taking Great Lakes water outside
>their watershed. When Phoenix is humid from people watering their lawns,
>that is NOT a real water shortage.

Western tradition: Settle people in an area totally inhospitable to
human life due to a lack of water, then steal it from another state to
turn it into the same.

JimmyMac

01-04-1970, 04:47 AM

1. The destrcutcive yield modern strategic nuclear weapons (bombs)
would not preclude the necessity of "carpet bombing".
2. Nuclear radiation would make the area bombed unsuitable for
pilfering and pumping of oil far enough into the future that by then
alternative fuels will largely replaced dino-crude as a major source
for fuel.
3. You are as perceptive as the average tree stump, so allow me to
remind you that this was deliberately top posted. Go ahead and issue
your predictable copy paste boilerplate rant. No one will give a
****.

On Mar 5, 11:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fqnuoh$hho$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> > Andre Jute wrote:
>
> >> Denmark is practically flat, so the wind would bother you there if
> >> there is any.[...]
>
> > Due to viscous drag, wind speed is much lower near the ground. On flat
> > windy rides, I have passed many a better rider on my lowracer due to this
> > effect.
>
> > Here is a Dutch bicycle that is sensible for their flat, windy conditions:
> > <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/html/index.php?taal=en&selectie=t...>.
>
> > Flame away!
>
> Wind is the nemesis of all cyclists, no matter what kind of bike you are
> riding. I have spent 30 years cursing the god damn ****ing wind here in SW
> Minnesota. It takes all the fun out of cycling.
>
> The wind is finally being put to some good use however. Wind power
> generators (big windmills) are going up all over the countryside. It of
> course ruins the landscape, but we need the energy I guess. Either that or
> carpet atom bomb the Muslims of the Middle East so we can TAKE their ****ing
> oil from them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

JimmyMac

01-04-1970, 04:47 AM

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 04:55 AM

On Mar 7, 9:02*am, m...@drumbent.com wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:19 am, m...@drumbent.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 11:31 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> Andre Jute wrote:
> > > >>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
> > > >>> curtains.
> > > >>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
> > > >>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
> > > >>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
> > > >>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
> > > >>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
> > > >>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> > > >>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> > > >>> on end.
> > > >> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
> > > >> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
> > > >> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
> > > >> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>
> > > > See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
> > > > you could now be a grimacing softy.
>
> > > Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.
>
> > > Of course, the last time it was really cold here was 1995, when it was
> > > -35°C temperature, with a wind chill of -55°C. Of course, I worked
> > > outside for the full day.
>
> > > Later in the same year, I worked a full day outside with the temperature
> > > being at 35°C and a heat index of 50°C.
>
> > > --
> > > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> > > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> > Here in Ottawa it was predicted that we were in for a cold, hard
> > winter. *Instead, it's actually been relatively mild, but damn have we
> > got a lot of snow! *We had our largest single-day snowfall back on
> > Dec. 17, and the season total so far is 237cm (93 inches). *As I type
> > we're getting hit with what could be another 20cm, and if that happens
> > then we'd be in 2nd place for our all-time snowfall accumulation.
>
> >http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/03/04/more-snow.html
>
> > I'm cycling as always, but am getting a little tired of the slush and
> > snow and will be downright giddy whenever Spring decides to show up.
>
> > Mark
>
> And to add to what I wrote above, we succeeded that amount and so
> welcome to our 2nd snowiest winter. *Problem is, they just forecasted
> what could be our worst storm yet, with a possible 30 - 50 cm starting
> Friday night and through the weekend!
>
> This is our 3rd storm warning in a week, and as of tonight there's a
> complete ban on street parking across the urban core so that crews can
> get the current accumulation off the roads before this next load comes
> in. Being early March I'm sure they were hoping to just leave it so it
> would melt away in the coming weeks. But as it is right now on some
> side streets emerg. vehicles are having difficulties getting through.
>
> And while it's great to have no parked cars around, the cycling is not
> so great. *I'll take dry streets and -20C temps over this mess any
> day!
>
> Mark

That's so unfair! I can almost, almost, almost taste spring on the tip
of my tongue. Today a pretty girl in a shop asked if she could come
cycling with me; someone told her I know all the best rides.

Andre Jute
Canted forward in anticipation already

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:02 AM

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8db8ae58-c960-4e14-b1d1-fdf2314214a6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE OI IDIOTS!

> 1. The destructive yield [of] modern strategic nuclear weapons (bombs)
> would not [?] preclude the necessity of "carpet bombing".

But I want to kill ALL of them. Yea, leave not a single one left alive! That
is what I learned from reading the story of Tamerlane.

> 2. Nuclear radiation would make the area bombed unsuitable for
> pilfering and pumping of oil far enough into the future that by then
> alternative fuels will largely replaced dino-crude as a major source
> for fuel.

There are plenty of third world denizens who would be willing to work in
contaminated areas for a little food and water. They lead short and
miserable lives anyway, so it would not make any difference what kills them.
Give them some bad whiskey and some loose women to **** and they will be
happy as larks despite their shortened life span.

> 3. You are as perceptive as the average tree stump, so allow me to
> remind you that this was deliberately top posted. Go ahead and issue
> your predictable copy paste boilerplate rant. No one will give a
> ****.

No one except you of course!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

> On Mar 5, 11:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fqnuoh$hho$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > Andre Jute wrote:
>>
>> >> Denmark is practically flat, so the wind would bother you there if
>> >> there is any.[...]
>>
>> > Due to viscous drag, wind speed is much lower near the ground. On flat
>> > windy rides, I have passed many a better rider on my lowracer due to
>> > this
>> > effect.
>>
>> > Here is a Dutch bicycle that is sensible for their flat, windy
>> > conditions:
>> > <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/html/index.php?taal=en&selectie=t...>.
>>
>> > Flame away!
>>
>> Wind is the nemesis of all cyclists, no matter what kind of bike you are
>> riding. I have spent 30 years cursing the god damn ****ing wind here in
>> SW
>> Minnesota. It takes all the fun out of cycling.
>>
>> The wind is finally being put to some good use however. Wind power
>> generators (big windmills) are going up all over the countryside. It of
>> course ruins the landscape, but we need the energy I guess. Either that
>> or
>> carpet atom bomb the Muslims of the Middle East so we can TAKE their
>> ****ing
>> oil from them.

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 05:02 AM

"Ozark Bicycle" wrote:
> On Mar 4, 10:31 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Mar 5, 3:48 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> Every day when I rise I put on cycling trousers before I even open the
>>>>> curtains.
>>>>> Today was the first day since I started doing that in the second week
>>>>> of January that I've had to take the cycling trousers off again
>>>>> without going biking, even if for a short run, and I've thrice made
>>>>> the 20+km run to Kilmacsimon already this year without once getting
>>>>> wet. But today was cold and wet and hail fell.
>>>>> I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
>>>>> and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
>>>>> on end.
>>>> Hey, I rode a bicycle (Peugeot P-8 with minimal tread tires) to school
>>>> every day in junior high school in Wisconsin. Wore nothing more than a
>>>> wool cap, mittens and windbreaker over a cotton sweatshirt in the
>>>> winter. Never really was bothered by the weather.
>>> See, it's turned you into a hard case. If you'd gone to school by SUV,
>>> you could now be a grimacing softy.
>> Moving to Wisconsin from Quebec made the winters seem rather mild.
>
> Did you really live in Quebec?
>
Right about here I think (relying on memories from when I was 4 years
old)
[1]:<http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=41.885244,+-87.621614&ie=UTF8&ll=46.754623,-71.345698&spn=0.00161,0.003648&t=h&z=18>.

The back yard of the house was on the Cap Rouge River a short distance
from the Saint Lawrence.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

JimmyMac

01-04-1970, 05:02 AM

On Mar 8, 4:45 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8db8ae58-c960-4e14-b1d1-fdf2314214a6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE OI IDIOTS!

Couldn't help your predictable self could you?

> > 1. The destructive yield [of] modern strategic nuclear weapons (bombs)
> > would not [?] preclude the necessity of "carpet bombing".

Good catch ... revised the sentence and left out the "of" and
neglected to remove the "not, but you got the idea.

> But I want to kill ALL of them. Yea, leave not a single one left alive! That
> is what I learned from reading the story of Tamerlane.

Understood but shat don't you understand about carpet bombing employed
when bombs were far less powerfule. I REPEAT ... The destructive
yield of modern strategic nuclear weapons (bombs) would preclude the
necessity of "carpet bombing".

> > 2. Nuclear radiation would make the area bombed unsuitable for
> > pilfering and pumping of oil far enough into the future that by then
> > alternative fuels will largely replaced dino-crude as a major source
> > for fuel.
>
> There are plenty of third world denizens who would be willing to work in
> contaminated areas for a little food and water. They lead short and
> miserable lives anyway, so it would not make any difference what kills them.
> Give them some bad whiskey and some loose women to **** and they will be
> happy as larks despite their shortened life span.

It is precisely this less than endearing quality of yours that we have
all come to recognize ..... your complete lack of sensitivity and
compassion for your fellow man. Is it any wonder why you haven't got
a single friend and are so poorly regarded? You earned your
reputation, but the question remains, were you born an ******* or did
you work at it all you life?

> > 3. You are as perceptive as the average tree stump, so allow me to
> > remind you that this was deliberately top posted. Go ahead and issue
> > your predictable copy paste boilerplate rant. No one will give a
> > ****.
>
> No one except you of course!

Dullard... "no one", by definition, is all inclusive. No wonder you
were a failure as a librarian.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> > On Mar 5, 11:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:fqnuoh$hho$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> >> > Andre Jute wrote:
>
> >> >> Denmark is practically flat, so the wind would bother you there if
> >> >> there is any.[...]
>
> >> > Due to viscous drag, wind speed is much lower near the ground. On flat
> >> > windy rides, I have passed many a better rider on my lowracer due to
> >> > this
> >> > effect.
>
> >> > Here is a Dutch bicycle that is sensible for their flat, windy
> >> > conditions:
> >> > <http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/html/index.php?taal=en&selectie=t...>.
>
> >> > Flame away!
>
> >> Wind is the nemesis of all cyclists, no matter what kind of bike you are
> >> riding. I have spent 30 years cursing the god damn ****ing wind here in
> >> SW
> >> Minnesota. It takes all the fun out of cycling.
>
> >> The wind is finally being put to some good use however. Wind power
> >> generators (big windmills) are going up all over the countryside. It of
> >> course ruins the landscape, but we need the energy I guess. Either that
> >> or
> >> carpet atom bomb the Muslims of the Middle East so we can TAKE their
> >> ****ing
> >> oil from them.

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:03 AM

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:09b8bc61-65a8-4a0f-9625-7a9fa6e50625@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 8, 4:45 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[...]
>> > 2. Nuclear radiation would make the area bombed unsuitable for
>> > pilfering and pumping of oil far enough into the future that by then
>> > alternative fuels will largely replaced dino-crude as a major source
>> > for fuel.
>>
>> There are plenty of third world denizens who would be willing to work in
>> contaminated areas for a little food and water. They lead short and
>> miserable lives anyway, so it would not make any difference what kills
>> them.
>> Give them some bad whiskey to drink and some loose women to **** and they
>> will be happy as larks despite their shortened life span.
>
> It is precisely this less than endearing quality of yours that we have
> all come to recognize ..... your complete lack of sensitivity and
> compassion for your fellow man. Is it any wonder why you haven't got
> a single friend and are so poorly regarded? You earned your
> reputation, but the question remains, were you born an ******* or did
> you work at it all you life?

I am a realist and I refuse to deal in pabulum anymore. I leave that to
younger folks who still have some hope for the future.

So why aren't most folks realists like me you may well ask? It is because no
one, but no one, reads history anymore. If they did, they would KNOW that it
is all for nothing. But even so we cannot learn from our history because of
the way our human nature is constituted. We are doomed to make the same
blunders over and over for all eternity. Please read up on the myth of
Sisyphus.

The one constant in mankind's history is hatred of anyone who is different
in even the slightest way. I have simply taken it one step further and hate
everyone equally, whether they are different or not. I consign everyone to
Hell, our true home and ultimate destiny!

Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the so-called
cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity. Alas, all delusions of those
who have been smitten with religion. Verily I tell you that there is not one
person in a million who can see through the veil of Maya. You have to be
Great for that and only Ed Dolan is Great!

Thus spake Zarathustra.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Red Cloud

01-04-1970, 05:04 AM

On Mar 8, 6:22 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:09b8bc61-65a8-4a0f-9625-7a9fa6e50625@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 8, 4:45 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> [...]
> >> > 2. Nuclear radiation would make the area bombed unsuitable for
> >> > pilfering and pumping of oil far enough into the future that by then
> >> > alternative fuels will largely replaced dino-crude as a major source
> >> > for fuel.
>
> >> There are plenty of third world denizens who would be willing to work in
> >> contaminated areas for a little food and water. They lead short and
> >> miserable lives anyway, so it would not make any difference what kills
> >> them.
> >> Give them some bad whiskey to drink and some loose women to **** and they
> >> will be happy as larks despite their shortened life span.
>
> > It is precisely this less than endearing quality of yours that we have
> > all come to recognize ..... your complete lack of sensitivity and
> > compassion for your fellow man. Is it any wonder why you haven't got
> > a single friend and are so poorly regarded? You earned your
> > reputation, but the question remains, were you born an ******* or did
> > you work at it all you life?
>
> I am a realist and I refuse to deal in pabulum anymore. I leave that to
> younger folks who still have some hope for the future.
>
> So why aren't most folks realists like me you may well ask? It is because no
> one, but no one, reads history anymore. If they did, they would KNOW that it
> is all for nothing. But even so we cannot learn from our history because of
> the way our human nature is constituted. We are doomed to make the same
> blunders over and over for all eternity. Please read up on the myth of
> Sisyphus.
>
> The one constant in mankind's history is hatred of anyone who is different
> in even the slightest way. I have simply taken it one step further and hate
> everyone equally, whether they are different or not. I consign everyone to
> Hell, our true home and ultimate destiny!
>
> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the so-called
> cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity. Alas, all delusions of those
> who have been smitten with religion. Verily I tell you that there is not one
> person in a million who can see through the veil of Maya. You have to be
> Great for that and only Ed Dolan is Great!
>
> Thus spake Zarathustra.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

The problem of your point is you are living in Whitepenis NASCAR
nation. Did you know that despise of housing market and subprime
mortgage collapse, those CEO have earn more than ever? 2007 was
boomed time for those subprime mortgage and Financial CEO.
Why they made so much earning despite of the depression? BEcause they
just don't give you ****. They don't care what happened to you or
society in general. Their attitude is the core of what Whitepenis
NASCAR mentality is all about. They don't give you ****. That is
what United State of AmeriKKKa is all about. Nobody give you ****.
Really. Who gives you ****? REally. Nobody. You can cry all you want.
You can complain all your want. Nobody cares. They take money and
they run and say "Have nice day!".

Welcome to Whitepenis NASCAR nation!

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 05:04 AM

In article <b4idnRDA7pBj1E7anZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:

> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the so-called
> cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.

Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?

prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.

--
Michael Press

A Muzi

01-04-1970, 05:05 AM

> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the so-called
>> cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.

Michael Press wrote:
> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.

Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to keep
me busy!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Jay

01-04-1970, 05:07 AM

"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote in message
news:13t8hqfbl08ms64@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>>> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>
> Michael Press wrote:
>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>
> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to keep me
> busy!
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
>
Oh, no!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114369/

The Se7en legend lives on. Much like Jason. Just when you think he is
dead...

Fearful of the dark - J.

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 05:07 AM

In article <13t8hqfbl08ms64@corp.supernews.com>,
A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
> >> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
> >> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>
> Michael Press wrote:
> > Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
> > prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>
> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to
> keep me busy!

Sloth. I like sloth.

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 05:07 AM

Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>>> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>
> Michael Press wrote:
>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>
> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to keep
> me busy!

The secrets to successfully running a LBS are revealed! ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 05:07 AM

In article <13t8hqfbl08ms64@corp.supernews.com>,
A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the so-called
>>> cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>
> Michael Press wrote:
>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>
> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to keep
> me busy!

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away (okay, back in the '60s)
I read a Readers' Digest bio about William Beebe, creator of
the Bathysphere, in which he was quoted as saying something to
the effect of: "The greatest sin is boredom."

That stuck with me. This world is so full of wonderments,
the appreciation of which is greatly facilitated by bicycling.

When people admit to being bored, I confess I'll regard
and discount them as vacuous. I know that's a terrible
thing to say about anybody, but I just fail to understand
how anyone can be bored. Heck, I've known a few bi-polar
people who've plombed the depths the despair, but even
they weren't bored. Ennui is like just giving up, rolling
over, and deciding to die on the spot. "FTW, I'm outa here."

That print by Albrecht Durer, titled "Melancholia"
http://www.alchemylab.com/melancholia.htm
pisses me off something fierce, and makes me wanna kick
the guy-in-the-picture's ass. He needs to spread his
wings and ride his bike.

If you're of a spiritual/intuitve nature, being bored
boils down to denying the elaborate mystique of Creation.

If you're of a scientific/analytical nature, being
bored smacks of quitting and despairingly giving-up.

And if you're of an artistic/creative nature, being
bored means your creative pilot light has been blown
out and you don't feel like relighting it or letting
anyone/anything else relight it for you so you could
continue to embellish the world.

Boredom is stupidity, wastefulness, detrimentality and
destructiveness. The next step down from boredom is
downright malevolence. Boredom is the threshold of evil.

cheers,
Tom

My mom got talked into subscribing. Okay, I admit
to deriving occasional enjoyment from Reader's Digest.
Please don't bug me about it.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 05:08 AM

Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article <13t8hqfbl08ms64@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>>>> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to
>> keep me busy!
>
> Sloth. I like sloth.

Here is the bicycle for you then, since it offers a sloth-like riding
position: <http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/costin/Monky1.jpg>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Crispin

01-04-1970, 05:08 AM

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:45:22 -0500, Tim McNamara
<timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

>In article <13t8hqfbl08ms64@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> >> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>> >> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>> > Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>> > prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>>
>> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to
>> keep me busy!
>
>Sloth. I like sloth.

Gluttony. I prefer gluttony.

Andre Jute

01-04-1970, 05:09 AM

On Mar 9, 11:33*pm, Camilo <campasc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 3, 1:32 pm, Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel sorry for people who live in places like the American midwest
> > and Canada and suchlike, and have this crap day after day for months
> > on end.
>
> Don't feel sorry for me Andre. *I get to ski about 6 months of the
> year and that is more fun and better all around exercise than
> cycling. *Oh, I love cycling too, and do it the other 6 months of the
> year.

Like I said, a life of privilege, meaning weather that suits my
inclination. Lucky you, to have weather that suits your inclination.
Those guys in Illinois and Wisconson should take up nordic cross-
country ski-walking...

Andre Jute
As I was coming home from Kilmacsimon Quay, fingers like blocks of
ice, two Volvo estates came by with windsurf boards on top, racing for
the sea before the big wave should arrive. Some people are quite mad.

A Muzi

01-04-1970, 05:09 AM

>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>>>> so-called cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.

>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.

> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to keep
>> me busy!

Tom Sherman wrote:
> The secrets to successfully running a LBS are revealed! ;)

A guy who can't laugh at himself has no humor.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Bill Sornson

01-04-1970, 05:09 AM

A Muzi wrote:

> A guy who can't laugh at himself has no humor.

TAKE THAT BACK THIS INSTANT!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill "need an emoticon thingy denoting 'sheepish grin'" S.

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:10 AM

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
news:47d49af0$0$22803$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>A Muzi wrote:
>
>> A guy who can't laugh at himself has no humor.
>
> TAKE THAT BACK THIS INSTANT!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill "need an emoticon thingy denoting 'sheepish grin'" S.

Well, here is a perfect example of what is wrong with all these confounded
cycling newsgroups. Even the redoubtable Tom Sherman of ARBR, who is not as
stupid as he seems, encourages this sort of dumb repartee. I think there
must be an awful lot of lonely folks in this old world!

Bill Sornson, always a man of few words, is ever ready with a snide remark
or two as long as he does not need to expound at length on anything. He is
an example of a man who probably can think, but refuses to do so, at least
on these cycling newsgroups.

As bad as RBM is, it can't compare to the Australian group. Of course that
group is composed exclusively of Aborigines who are dark of mind and soul.
Mostly all you can ever get out of them are a few grunts here and there. The
English group pretends to be more intelligent but may actually be even
dumber. In any event, ALL the cycling groups are equally zany. I am
convinced that only the dumbest of the dumb ever post messages on Usenet.

All you bozos should be modeling yourselves after the Great One. Yea, Ed
Dolan the Great is as a beacon for you if you but open your eyes. Follow in
my footsteps and all will be right with the world. Go your own way and all
will be bedlam.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Fabrizio Mazzoleni

01-04-1970, 05:10 AM

On Mar 9, 8:28*pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:

>
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far away (okay, back in the '60s)
> I read a Readers' Digest bio about William Beebe, creator of
> the Bathysphere, in which he was quoted as saying something to
> the effect of: "The greatest sin is boredom."
>

Tom, back then us cool kids were into the Apollo 11 mission.
The guys that were into deep-sea submersible stuff never
really scored with the hotties at school.

Just an observation of mine, don't spend too much time
worrying about it.

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:10 AM

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ls92rf.ld.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <13t8hqfbl08ms64@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>> Anyone who does not agree with the above has been blinded by the
>>>> so-called
>>>> cardinal virtues of faith, hope and charity.
>>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> Where do you get that? Theology for the congregation?
>>> prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance.
>>
>> Pride, anger, gluttony, lust, envy, greed and sloth are enough to keep
>> me busy!
>
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far away (okay, back in the '60s)
> I read a Readers' Digest bio about William Beebe, creator of
> the Bathysphere, in which he was quoted as saying something to
> the effect of: "The greatest sin is boredom."
>
> That stuck with me. This world is so full of wonderments,
> the appreciation of which is greatly facilitated by bicycling.
>
> When people admit to being bored, I confess I'll regard
> and discount them as vacuous. I know that's a terrible
> thing to say about anybody, but I just fail to understand
> how anyone can be bored. Heck, I've known a few bi-polar
> people who've plombed the depths the despair, but even
> they weren't bored. Ennui is like just giving up, rolling
> over, and deciding to die on the spot. "FTW, I'm outa here."
>
> That print by Albrecht Durer, titled "Melancholia"
> http://www.alchemylab.com/melancholia.htm
> pisses me off something fierce, and makes me wanna kick
> the guy-in-the-picture's ass. He needs to spread his
> wings and ride his bike.
>
> If you're of a spiritual/intuitve nature, being bored
> boils down to denying the elaborate mystique of Creation.
>
> If you're of a scientific/analytical nature, being
> bored smacks of quitting and despairingly giving-up.
>
> And if you're of an artistic/creative nature, being
> bored means your creative pilot light has been blown
> out and you don't feel like relighting it or letting
> anyone/anything else relight it for you so you could
> continue to embellish the world.
>
> Boredom is stupidity, wastefulness, detrimentality and
> destructiveness. The next step down from boredom is
> downright malevolence. Boredom is the threshold of evil.

All of the above is only too true, but even so other people can be
incredibly boring, especially when you can't escape their presence. Frankly,
I am never more alone and bored than when I am with other people. When I am
by myself, I am NEVER bored. Go figure!

We need to distinguish between boredom and depression however. They are two
different things entirely. Everyone understands boredom but unless you have
depression you are not ever likely to understand it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:10 AM

"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <edward_whitebone@stream.com> wrote in message
news:90234165-b615-473e-b74d-1ff295982459@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 9, 8:28 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:

>
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far away (okay, back in the '60s)
> I read a Readers' Digest bio about William Beebe, creator of
> the Bathysphere, in which he was quoted as saying something to
> the effect of: "The greatest sin is boredom."
>
>>Tom, back then us cool kids were into the Apollo 11 mission.

Fab, you were never cool in your entire freaking life!

>>The guys that were into deep-sea submersible stuff never
really scored with the hotties at school.

Too bad the dip****s didn't all drown! But by all means tell us what you
know about the "hotties". Were these the school whores?

>>Just an observation of mine, don't spend too much time
worrying about it.

We worry about you ... oh fabulous Fab! You stay away from ARBR for months
at a time and then when you do show up you post **** and nonsense. It seems
the least you could do is to tell us about those "hotties" since you brought
the subject up. Were these run-of-the-mill whores or special whores? Tom
Sherman especially would like to know.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 05:10 AM

In article <90234165-b615-473e-b74d-1ff295982459@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Fabrizio Mazzoleni <edward_whitebone@stream.com> writes:
> On Mar 9, 8:28*pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>>
>> A long time ago, in a galaxy far away (okay, back in the '60s)
>> I read a Readers' Digest bio about William Beebe, creator of
>> the Bathysphere, in which he was quoted as saying something to
>> the effect of: "The greatest sin is boredom."
>>
> Tom, back then us cool kids were into the Apollo 11 mission.

http://www.vancouvermaritimemuseum.com/modules/vmmuseum/treasures/?artifactid=92

> The guys that were into deep-sea submersible stuff never
> really scored with the hotties at school.

How do you know?

> Just an observation of mine, don't spend too much time
> worrying about it.

Okay, I won't.

In my day, the guys who /really/ scored with the hotties
at school were into Arts classes. The Occies
(Occupational/shop) guys who were a step away from being
relegated to Vancouver Tech were at the bottom of the
social barrel.

The Acedemics were just nerds who had no idea of what was
going on in real life as they memorized the Mendelev
Atomic Chart. The Artsies sold the best hash. The Occies
could get your Vauxhall working again, at least enough to
get you home -- sometimes. And the jox wanted to kill you
during a boisterous game of Rugby. Basketball was considered
a girl's game. At school assemblies we had to sing "O Canada
at the beginning and "God Save the Queen" at the end.

Then there were the Bible readings & reciting of the
Christrian prayer at the beginning of every school day.

cheers,
Tom

A lot of people don't even realize HRM is also the
Queen of Canada, albeit in a formal sense.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:22 AM

"Tom Keats" <tkeats@2005.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n0d8rf.5k.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
[...]
> In my day, the guys who /really/ scored with the hotties
> at school were into Arts classes.

That is the reason why respectable folks would never have anything to do
with artists. They were traditionally always regarded as trash people. I
think they had it right too! Artists have the morality of swine.

The Occies
> (Occupational/shop) guys who were a step away from being
> relegated to Vancouver Tech were at the bottom of the
> social barrel.

These would be the future blue collar workers, all of whom seem to lack
social skills. This is where Tom Keats ended up, a dock worker who labors by
the sweat of his brow.

> The Acedemics were just nerds who had no idea of what was
> going on in real life as they memorized the Mendelev
> Atomic Chart.

These are the only kinds of people that you ever want to have any
association with. They can be difficult, but ultimately they are the most
rewarding. They have souls and minds which they have cultivated.

The Artsies sold the best hash. The Occies
> could get your Vauxhall working again, at least enough to
> get you home -- sometimes. And the jox wanted to kill you
> during a boisterous game of Rugby. Basketball was considered
> a girl's game. At school assemblies we had to sing "O Canada
> at the beginning and "God Save the Queen" at the end.

The athletes make the best warriors. They need to go into the military
services where they can express their surplus of testosterone.

> Then there were the Bible readings & reciting of the
> Christrian prayer at the beginning of every school day.

These types end up as caretakers of one sort or another. Thank God for them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 05:22 AM

In article <W4WdnR_497GRXEranZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:

>> (Occupational/shop) guys who were a step away from being
>> relegated to Vancouver Tech were at the bottom of the
>> social barrel.
>
> These would be the future blue collar workers, all of whom seem to lack
> social skills. This is where Tom Keats ended up, a dock worker who labors by
> the sweat of his brow.

Richard Brautigan lives on in me.

>> The Acedemics were just nerds who had no idea of what was
>> going on in real life as they memorized the Mendelev
>> Atomic Chart.
>
> These are the only kinds of people that you ever want to have any
> association with. They can be difficult, but ultimately they are the most
> rewarding. They have souls and minds which they have cultivated.

They can't discuss anything noteworthy.

And they're too, too meticulous about their bike-riding presentation,
what with their helmets and yellow-&-black killer bee suits with the
bum-flaps, &c. Trying to look like the local bicycle parking-meter
cops. Heh.

Y'know how you can tell a pyromaniac type by the way they
lingeringly gawk at a lit match? Well you can similarly
tell an Academic/analytical type as they enrapturedly
dawdle in stationery dept's.

cheers, & beware the Killer Bees,
Tom (Richard Brautigan)

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Edward Dolan

01-04-1970, 05:35 AM

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dkdirf.1i3.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <W4WdnR_497GRXEranZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
[...]
>>> The Acedemics [Academics] were just nerds who had no idea of what was
>>> going on in real life as they memorized the Mendelev [Mendeleev]
>>> Atomic Chart.
>>
>> These are the only kinds of people that you ever want to have any
>> association with. They can be difficult, but ultimately they are the most
>> rewarding. They have souls and minds which they have cultivated.
>
> They can't discuss anything noteworthy.

This coming from a dock worker (a blue collar type) who no doubt only wants
to discuss loose women and bad beer, but not necessarily in that order.

> And they're too, too meticulous about their bike-riding presentation,
> what with their helmets and yellow-&-black killer bee suits with the
> bum-flaps, &c. Trying to look like the local bicycle parking-meter
> cops. Heh.

I know the type. They are only pretend academics, pseudo-intellectuals if
you will. It takes a Great One to know the difference. True academics and
intellectuals are retiring and humble - like ME!

> Y'know how you can tell a pyromaniac type by the way they
> lingeringly gawk at a lit match? Well you can similarly
> tell an Academic/analytical type as they enrapturedly
> dawdle in stationery dept's.

We intellectuals love words the way working slobs like Tom Keats loves bad
beer and loose women, but not necessarily in that order.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota