This group is full of morons

[Kurgan Gringioni]

trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.

It's not the correct analogy.

The correct motorsports analogy is North American open wheel racing,
CART vs. IRL. The governing body vs. the sport's biggest race, the
race that overshadowed all other races on the circuit combined.

CART vs. IRL = UCI vs. ASO

The rbr dumbasses are comparing bike racing to NASCAR because they'd
like it to be successful like NASCAR. Well, it ain't happening. Bike
racing is going down the other road.

BTW, the open wheel analogy isn't perfect either, but it's way more
accurate than the NASCAR one.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Paul G.]

On Mar 7, 1:50 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.
>
> It's not the correct analogy.
>
> The correct motorsports analogy is North American open wheel racing,
> CART vs. IRL. The governing body vs. the sport's biggest race, the
> race that overshadowed all other races on the circuit combined.
>
> CART vs. IRL = UCI vs. ASO
>
> The rbr dumbasses are comparing bike racing to NASCAR because they'd
> like it to be successful like NASCAR. Well, it ain't happening. Bike
> racing is going down the other road.

I don't know about "full of morons" but you are certainly one. Go back
to my initial post. I compared how NASCAR and TOC responded to the
same Southern California rain storm. The cyclists raced on thru the
rain, the NASCAR pansies wussed out and postponed their race- and they
weren't even soaking wet and chilled to the bone.

There is no *real* comparison between cycling and any motorsport as
you can't bolt on what it takes to win bike races.

I was gonna let it drop, but you've given me an opening- I laughed my
ass off when I read this:

Tony Stewart injured in hard accident at Las Vegas Motor Speedway
4 days ago, LAS VEGAS -- Two-time NASCAR champion Tony Stewart bruised
his foot, but was otherwise fine following a frightening crash Sunday
at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

"I was kind of worried, my legs, my entire legs from my hips down were
just tingling," Stewart said. "And I had pain in my lower back and
that kind of scared me a little bit. I've not had my legs tingle like
that before. "I was kind of worried about, 'What's going on here?"'
Stewart wrecked 108 laps into the race when the right front tire on
his Toyota failed. It sent the car hard into the wall, and he
immediately called for help. "I'm hurt," he radioed his team before
slowly climbing from the car. He gingerly walked with the assistance
of two emergency personnel into a waiting car that took him to the
infield care centre.
**************************

What a wuss. "A bruised foot"! Rumor has it when he radioed for help
he actually said "Mama! Mama!" Hell, I saw George Hincapie finish the
first stage of the TOC- he was all torn up from a wheel touching crash
at 40 mph. He went on to win a stage. There's no comparison between
George Hincapie and this Tony Stewart eunuch. George has heart.
-Paul

(This reminds me of watching soccer with one of my Norwegian in-laws.
I was kidding him about soccer vs cycling- soccer players are prone
to histrionics, lying on the field feigning grievous injury when
fouled in the hopes of getting their opponent a red card. I was
laughing at the play acting soccer stars, comparing that to cyclists
who jump up covered with blood and get right back on their bike. My
relative had no sense of humor about this. ;-) )

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message ...
> trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.
>
> It's not the correct analogy.


stupido estremità

I bet your sister compares Dale Earnhardt to Tom Boonen.

[ST]

On 3/7/08 1:50 AM, in article
ab6b686a-9cca-49f9-8a96-2f64affe41df@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Kurgan
Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.
>
> It's not the correct analogy.
>
> The correct motorsports analogy is North American open wheel racing,
> CART vs. IRL. The governing body vs. the sport's biggest race, the
> race that overshadowed all other races on the circuit combined.
>
> CART vs. IRL = UCI vs. ASO
>
> The rbr dumbasses are comparing bike racing to NASCAR because they'd
> like it to be successful like NASCAR. Well, it ain't happening. Bike
> racing is going down the other road.
>
> BTW, the open wheel analogy isn't perfect either, but it's way more
> accurate than the NASCAR one.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.


Dumbass-

This is a cycling group! **** CART/IRL

Get it!!

[Fred Fredburger]

I take it this means your opinion of the group has risen.

[Donald Munro]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.

Dumbass,
This thread is becoming quite entertaining, however you are messing up
your troll index with all your responses.

[Carl Sundquist]

"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote in message
news:5b90d04a-b9bb-426b-8e82-168e834086ad@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 7, 1:50 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.
>>
>> It's not the correct analogy.
>>
>> The correct motorsports analogy is North American open wheel racing,
>> CART vs. IRL. The governing body vs. the sport's biggest race, the
>> race that overshadowed all other races on the circuit combined.
>>
>> CART vs. IRL = UCI vs. ASO
>>
>> The rbr dumbasses are comparing bike racing to NASCAR because they'd
>> like it to be successful like NASCAR. Well, it ain't happening. Bike
>> racing is going down the other road.
>
> I don't know about "full of morons" but you are certainly one. Go back
> to my initial post. I compared how NASCAR and TOC responded to the
> same Southern California rain storm. The cyclists raced on thru the
> rain, the NASCAR pansies wussed out and postponed their race- and they
> weren't even soaking wet and chilled to the bone.
>
> There is no *real* comparison between cycling and any motorsport as
> you can't bolt on what it takes to win bike races.
>
> I was gonna let it drop, but you've given me an opening- I laughed my
> ass off when I read this:
>
> Tony Stewart injured in hard accident at Las Vegas Motor Speedway
> 4 days ago, LAS VEGAS -- Two-time NASCAR champion Tony Stewart bruised
> his foot, but was otherwise fine following a frightening crash Sunday
> at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
>
> "I was kind of worried, my legs, my entire legs from my hips down were
> just tingling," Stewart said. "And I had pain in my lower back and
> that kind of scared me a little bit. I've not had my legs tingle like
> that before. "I was kind of worried about, 'What's going on here?"'
> Stewart wrecked 108 laps into the race when the right front tire on
> his Toyota failed. It sent the car hard into the wall, and he
> immediately called for help. "I'm hurt," he radioed his team before
> slowly climbing from the car. He gingerly walked with the assistance
> of two emergency personnel into a waiting car that took him to the
> infield care centre.
> **************************
>
> What a wuss. "A bruised foot"! Rumor has it when he radioed for help
> he actually said "Mama! Mama!" Hell, I saw George Hincapie finish the
> first stage of the TOC- he was all torn up from a wheel touching crash
> at 40 mph. He went on to win a stage. There's no comparison between
> George Hincapie and this Tony Stewart eunuch. George has heart.
> -Paul
>

It's all relative. Do a search for Troy Baliss, who in a World Superbike
race last year crashed and caught his hand under the bike, which ground off
the top two sections of his little finger. He went to the track hospital and
tried to let the race doctors let him ride the second race, but they
refused. And before you poo-poo it as just a little finger, understand that
under braking the rider's hands and arms are subjected to a lot of force.

[Michael Press]

In article
<5b90d04a-b9bb-426b-8e82-168e834086ad@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Mar 7, 1:50 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > trying to compare professional bicycle racing to NASCAR.
> >
> > It's not the correct analogy.
> >
> > The correct motorsports analogy is North American open wheel racing,
> > CART vs. IRL. The governing body vs. the sport's biggest race, the
> > race that overshadowed all other races on the circuit combined.
> >
> > CART vs. IRL = UCI vs. ASO
> >
> > The rbr dumbasses are comparing bike racing to NASCAR because they'd
> > like it to be successful like NASCAR. Well, it ain't happening. Bike
> > racing is going down the other road.
>
> I don't know about "full of morons" but you are certainly one. Go back
> to my initial post. I compared how NASCAR and TOC responded to the
> same Southern California rain storm. The cyclists raced on thru the
> rain, the NASCAR pansies wussed out and postponed their race- and they
> weren't even soaking wet and chilled to the bone.
>
> There is no *real* comparison between cycling and any motorsport as
> you can't bolt on what it takes to win bike races.
>
> I was gonna let it drop, but you've given me an opening- I laughed my
> ass off when I read this:
>
> Tony Stewart injured in hard accident at Las Vegas Motor Speedway
> 4 days ago, LAS VEGAS -- Two-time NASCAR champion Tony Stewart bruised
> his foot, but was otherwise fine following a frightening crash Sunday
> at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
>
> "I was kind of worried, my legs, my entire legs from my hips down were
> just tingling," Stewart said. "And I had pain in my lower back and
> that kind of scared me a little bit. I've not had my legs tingle like
> that before. "I was kind of worried about, 'What's going on here?"'
> Stewart wrecked 108 laps into the race when the right front tire on
> his Toyota failed. It sent the car hard into the wall, and he
> immediately called for help. "I'm hurt," he radioed his team before
> slowly climbing from the car. He gingerly walked with the assistance
> of two emergency personnel into a waiting car that took him to the
> infield care centre.
> **************************
>
> What a wuss. "A bruised foot"! Rumor has it when he radioed for help
> he actually said "Mama! Mama!" Hell, I saw George Hincapie finish the
> first stage of the TOC- he was all torn up from a wheel touching crash
> at 40 mph. He went on to win a stage. There's no comparison between
> George Hincapie and this Tony Stewart eunuch. George has heart.
> -Paul
>
> (This reminds me of watching soccer with one of my Norwegian in-laws.
> I was kidding him about soccer vs cycling- soccer players are prone
> to histrionics, lying on the field feigning grievous injury when
> fouled in the hopes of getting their opponent a red card. I was
> laughing at the play acting soccer stars, comparing that to cyclists
> who jump up covered with blood and get right back on their bike. My
> relative had no sense of humor about this. ;-) )

He probably is as much or more frustrated by those drama queens.
Here is what they should do. A player goes down and does not
get up, you have time to attend to him medically and get him
off the field of play. He is not allowed back in to play.
Suck it up Rodrigo.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Baldwin]

>On Mar 7, 1:50 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The rbr dumbasses are comparing bike racing to NASCAR because
>they'd like it to be successful like NASCAR. Well, it
>ain't happening. Bike racing is going down the other road.
>
>Then paulg writes;
>I don't know about "full of morons" but you are
>certainly one.

Add me to your moron list PaulG. I just accidently cross posted your
POV's on a NASCAR NG, d'oh...I'm so stewped.

just regards - Mike Baldwin

[Paul G.]

On Mar 7, 9:50 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> It's all relative. Do a search for Troy Baliss, who in a World Superbike
> race last year crashed and caught his hand under the bike, which ground off
> the top two sections of his little finger. He went to the track hospital and
> tried to let the race doctors let him ride the second race, but they
> refused. And before you poo-poo it as just a little finger, understand that
> under braking the rider's hands and arms are subjected to a lot of force.

I wouldn't say that's relative. He was maimed, not merely bruised, and
of course Superbike is real racing compared with NASCAR. But hell, he
went to the hospital? Sheesh, in bike racing you keep riding. The team
doctor can pull up along side, amputate your finger with a cable
cutter and you're good to go. ;-)
-Paul

[Howard Kveck]

In article <tgfAj.16892$097.8384@newsfe21.lga>, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

> It's all relative. Do a search for Troy Baliss, who in a World Superbike
> race last year crashed and caught his hand under the bike, which ground off
> the top two sections of his little finger. He went to the track hospital and
> tried to let the race doctors let him ride the second race, but they
> refused. And before you poo-poo it as just a little finger, understand that
> under braking the rider's hands and arms are subjected to a lot of force.

It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some parts
away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he wanted it
done at the track so he could ride the second race.

Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[datakoll]

yawl need a grip on the nath here.
g deceleration differences between 25-25 mph and 175+
trauma of bouncing on the ground at 25mph and off the harness at 175+
then try reactions times and distances traveled 25 and 175+
then some Newton of 2800 Pounds? and 175 pounds at 175 and 25
i don't now the rain-dry equation.
any contribution?

[Paul G.]

On Mar 7, 12:12 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <5b90d04a-b9bb-426b-8e82-168e83408...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

>
> > (This reminds me of watching soccer with one of my Norwegian in-laws.
> > I was kidding him about soccer vs cycling- soccer players are prone
> > to histrionics, lying on the field feigning grievous injury when
> > fouled in the hopes of getting their opponent a red card. I was
> > laughing at the play acting soccer stars, comparing that to cyclists
> > who jump up covered with blood and get right back on their bike. My
> > relative had no sense of humor about this. ;-) )
>
> He probably is as much or more frustrated by those drama queens.
> Here is what they should do. A player goes down and does not
> get up, you have time to attend to him medically and get him
> off the field of play. He is not allowed back in to play.
> Suck it up Rodrigo.
>

Could well be. Boy did he get pissed off when the team that was ahead
would try to keep control of the ball and run out the clock. Then I'd
really make him mad by saying that the scoring was so low that you
couldn't tell if a team won by skill or chance, and how they should
make the goal bigger so you could have some double digit scores. (He's
a mathematician) I'd compare soccer with basketball, and the movement
of the ball in soccer with Brownian motion. ;-))
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 7, 1:25 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> yawl

Stop right there! Are you one of those tobacco chewing NASCAR fans
that's married to his 13 year old cousin?

> need a grip on the nath here.

Hmmnnn... is that what they call it down south? Grip it, stroke it,
whatever...

> g deceleration differences between 25-25 mph and 175+

There's a big difference between a thin layer of lycra and a roll
cage, and a bike helmet and a full-face helmet. Not to mention balls
and lug nuts...
-Paul

[datakoll]

balls? driving 180 mph doesn't take "balls"
unless the equipment doesn't work.

[Paul G.]

On Mar 7, 10:57 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some parts
> away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he wanted it
> done at the track so he could ride the second race.
>
> Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.

Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_8m5-sR6I4
Or Abdoujaparov?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcM1ZUJrXZA

Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
-Paul

[Howard Kveck]

In article <b1ba7041-70c5-419c-b822-4ce8a3cdcac2@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Mar 7, 10:57 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some
> > parts
> > away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he
> > wanted it
> > done at the track so he could ride the second race.
> >
> > Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.
>
> Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_8m5-sR6I4
> Or Abdoujaparov?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcM1ZUJrXZA
>
> Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
> middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
> -Paul

Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Bill C]

On Mar 8, 3:03*am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> > -Paul
>
> * *Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.
>
> --
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * tanx,
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Howard
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * Whatever happened to
> * * * * * * * * * * * * Leon Trotsky?
> * * * * * * * * * * * * He got an icepick
> * * * * * * * * * * * * That made his ears burn.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Like where your sliding down the road in a superman position, and
wondering when the motorcycle behind you is going to catch up, and
slam into you from behind as you leave a trail of flesh on the road,
or going airborne in your truck, hitting the trees about 12 feet up
and waking up to see grass coming through where the windshield used to
be while hanging upside down?
I think some of us have been in all those. I've never been able to
decide if the road rash/ground away parts and secondary hits, slamming
into a curb, on the bike/MC are worse than the seporated shoulder/
cracked ribs, blasted legs, etc...in the truck stuff. I'd go with the
truck though since that made the shoulder a chronic problem with the
displaced collarbone and torn up ligaments and muscles. I can imagine
the stories you, TK, and Carl could tell since I never did more MC
racing than local MC and brit Iron club stuff way back when.
Either way they really suck, and after you highside once you will
voluntarily lowside just to prevent that EVER happening again, no?
Bill C

[Paul G.]

On Mar 8, 12:03 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <b1ba7041-70c5-419c-b822-4ce8a3cdc...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 7, 10:57 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some
> > > parts
> > > away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he
> > > wanted it
> > > done at the track so he could ride the second race.
>
> > > Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.
>
> > Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_8m5-sR6I4
> > Or Abdoujaparov?
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcM1ZUJrXZA
>
> > Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
> > middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
> > -Paul
>
> Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

There's no honor in crashing. That said, I've been in plenty of
crashes- if you ride enough miles, something is eventually going to
get you (usually your own screwup). I've broken a couple of bones,
been sewed up, and had my share of road rash. I have waited for an
ambulance with a dying friend, back when a bike helmet was some padded
straps. That wasn't some spectacular crash, but it certainly was
hard.
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 8, 4:45 am, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
>
> Add me to your moron list PaulG. I just accidently cross posted your
> POV's on a NASCAR NG, d'oh...I'm so stewped.
>

NASCAR fans can read?

-Paul

[Carl Sundquist]

"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ea45617c-fe5f-4cc6-b2f5-b027916bbc68@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 8, 3:03 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> > -Paul
>
> Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.
>

I think some of us have been in all those. I've never been able to
decide if the road rash/ground away parts and secondary hits, slamming
into a curb, on the bike/MC are worse than the seporated shoulder/
cracked ribs, blasted legs, etc...in the truck stuff. I'd go with the
truck though since that made the shoulder a chronic problem with the
displaced collarbone and torn up ligaments and muscles. I can imagine
the stories you, TK, and Carl could tell since I never did more MC
racing than local MC and brit Iron club stuff way back when.
Either way they really suck, and after you highside once you will
voluntarily lowside just to prevent that EVER happening again, no?
Bill C
----------------------

Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a *****.

[Bill C]

On Mar 8, 9:54*am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
> Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
> myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
> the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
> enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a *****.

I hear ya Carl. Just getting smoked on the MX course by teenagers,
and watching the stuff they'd do made it REAL clear I wasn't gonna be
much good. My cousin and his kid still race at Southwick pretty often
and keep trying to get me to go. Not gonna happen, except to watch.
The changes in the road bikes, and the different skills, style, and
insanity mean I'm a spectator there too.
Got to ride both a current dragbike, and GSXR race bike a few years
ago. That was eye-opening, and meant a trip to Wally world for some
new drawers.
Bill C

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <NMxAj.64781$Ft5.56992@newsfe15.lga>,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:

> "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ea45617c-fe5f-4cc6-b2f5-b027916bbc68@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 8, 3:03 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > -Paul
> >
> > Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.
> >
>
> I think some of us have been in all those. I've never been able to
> decide if the road rash/ground away parts and secondary hits, slamming
> into a curb, on the bike/MC are worse than the seporated shoulder/
> cracked ribs, blasted legs, etc...in the truck stuff. I'd go with the
> truck though since that made the shoulder a chronic problem with the
> displaced collarbone and torn up ligaments and muscles. I can imagine
> the stories you, TK, and Carl could tell since I never did more MC
> racing than local MC and brit Iron club stuff way back when.
> Either way they really suck, and after you highside once you will
> voluntarily lowside just to prevent that EVER happening again, no?
> Bill C
> ----------------------
>
> Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
> myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
> the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
> enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a *****.

Dumbass lightweights: the guys who have crashed _really_ hard don't get
to tell stories about it after.

RIP Jimmy Adamo, RIP Joe Hailey.

Never raced motorcycles, crashed 'em a few times on the street, remember
the time I screamed like a girl inside my helmet as a truck U-turned
across my path on a 4-lane highway,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Mar 8, 6:54*am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
> myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
> the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
> enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a *****.




Dumbass -


There's that, plus I heard that your handling skills were suspect.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Michael Baldwin]

d'oh I did it again guess I'm dub'L stewped. : (
Group:alt.discuss.clubs.public.sport.racing.aanasw cup

just regards - Mike Baldwin

[Howard Kveck]

In article <12885682-9692-4cf1-bf41-03d182b04df1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Mar 8, 12:03 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <b1ba7041-70c5-419c-b822-4ce8a3cdc...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

> > > On Mar 7, 10:57 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut
> > > > some parts away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done
> > > > but he wanted it done at the track so he could ride the second race.
> >
> > > > Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.
> >
> > > Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_8m5-sR6I4
> > > Or Abdoujaparov?
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcM1ZUJrXZA
> >
> > > Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
> > > middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
> > > -Paul
> >
> > Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.
>
> There's no honor in crashing. That said, I've been in plenty of
> crashes- if you ride enough miles, something is eventually going to
> get you (usually your own screwup). I've broken a couple of bones,
> been sewed up, and had my share of road rash. I have waited for an
> ambulance with a dying friend, back when a bike helmet was some padded
> straps. That wasn't some spectacular crash, but it certainly was
> hard.

You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a car.
Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that someone else
has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and tell us how it felt.
Then think about how much more unpleasant and painful it is at two, three or more
times that fast. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not (I actually think you're
simply unaware of this), drivers sometimes die in crashes at those speeds, roll cage
or not. The fact that Stewart was complaining of tingling and such is an indication
that he feared having spinal cord damage.

That you keep nattering on about this **** when you obviously know next to nothing
about it and the fact that you are doing it to get a reaction out of people (like an
eight year old might) is a good indication that you're a very silly person.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Bill C]

On Mar 8, 8:49*pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dumbass lightweights: the guys who have crashed _really_ hard don't get
> to tell stories about it after.
>
> RIP Jimmy Adamo, RIP Joe Hailey.
>
> Never raced motorcycles, crashed 'em a few times on the street, remember
> the time I screamed like a girl inside my helmet as a truck U-turned
> across my path on a 4-lane highway,
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Unfortunately all of us who ride have lost people. My daughter's
riding now. Got her to the MSF courses, and eventually a racing school
too, but the mantra is "What is the stupidest thing possible that car/
person/whatever could do?!" Didn't go down, and was actually a
passenger in the one that scred me worst. We were just cruising down a
nice rural highway, nice dry sunny day, and some ******* in a dump
truck runs a stop sign and pulls out right in front of us. Didn't
quite wet my pants, but made the same sounds you did. My buddy
actually hit the throttle, swerved, and shot us along side up the
breakdown lane until he could stop.
No way in hell he could've stopped.
Bill C

[Carl Sundquist]

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:68f1c260-80b6-4cb0-a238-309391e944fd@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 8, 6:54 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
> myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough
> with
> the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
> enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a *****.




Dumbass -


There's that, plus I heard that your handling skills were suspect.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
---------------

That was the irony: the motorcycle racing improved my bicycle handling
skills.

[Donald Munro]

Howard Kveck wrote:
> You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a
> car.
> Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that
> someone else has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and
> tell us how it felt.

You mean you want him to audition for the crash test dummies.

[Paul G.]

On Mar 8, 9:18 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a car.
> Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that someone else
> has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and tell us how it felt.
> Then think about how much more unpleasant and painful it is at two, three or more
> times that fast. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not (I actually think you're
> simply unaware of this), drivers sometimes die in crashes at those speeds, roll cage
> or not.

That has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Maybe you
have an excuse- are you brain damaged from all those crashes you've
stupidly gotten yourself into? I'm never going to crash at NASCAR
speeds (and hopefully not at 55 mph either) but Stewart has, and I
posted his comments about it. He bruised his foot. BFD! Cyclists get
hurt far worse at far lower speeds- case in point, my friend who died
from a head injury incurred at less than 30 mph. This is common sense-
cyclists have very little protection due to the need for cooling, low
drag, and low weight. People in cars, and particularly in NASCAR cars,
have WAY more protection in a crash. There's also WAY more to it than
how fast you are going. It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
THAT.


> That you keep nattering on about this **** when you obviously know next to nothing
> about it and the fact that you are doing it to get a reaction out of people (like an
> eight year old might) is a good indication that you're a very silly person.

As I just pointed out, you lack common sense. This is why I disparage
NASCAR- it's a low-brow "sport" for neanderthals with no class.
Cycling, on the other hand, is an elegant sport that requires
everything motor sports do PLUS physical ability and the mental
toughness to push yourself to the limit. Compare the skill and effort
it takes to floor the accelerator on a car with the skill and effort
it takes a cyclist to sprint. There's no comparison!

And that's my point. NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike
racers. That's common sense. If that gets a reaction out of you, it
simply proves that you lack common sense.
-Paul

[Fred Fredburger]

Paul G. wrote:
> It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
> have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
> THAT.

ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE usually argues that the things they want to
believe are facts. History in general supports me on this as thoroughly
as the history of this newsgroup.

Your NASCAR safety model is OK, so far as it goes. It fails to explain
why John Blewett is dead. He's got company though, if that makes you
feel better. Should be a bunch of bruised feet, right?

ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
cycling. They would probably conclude that objectivity in this matter is
tricky. Do you normalize the data based on the number of participants,
or deaths per mile or deaths per hour of racing or ...

[Howard Kveck]

In article <d0f09897-07c2-4f94-887c-483bce9e0171@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Mar 8, 9:18 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a car.
> > Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that someone
> > else has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and tell us how
> > it felt. Then think about how much more unpleasant and painful it is at two, three
> > or more times that fast. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not (I actually
> > think you're simply unaware of this), drivers sometimes die in crashes at those
> > speeds, roll cage or not.
>
> That has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

I guess you think your posts are the epitome of brilliance, then? I'll put it this
way: in one of your posts, you sneeringly said of Tony Stewart, "Rumor has it when he
radioed for help he actually said "Mama! Mama!"" So you mock someone who has been in
a crash at speeds you won't go, which pretty well defines you as a ****.


> Maybe you have an excuse- are you brain damaged from all those crashes you've
> stupidly gotten yourself into? I'm never going to crash at NASCAR
> speeds (and hopefully not at 55 mph either) but Stewart has, and I
> posted his comments about it. He bruised his foot. BFD!

I'd say that the bruising he got was probably a lot different than when you bumped
the dining table with your foot going for seconds of ice cream.

> Cyclists get hurt far worse at far lower speeds- case in point, my friend who died
> from a head injury incurred at less than 30 mph. This is common sense-
> cyclists have very little protection due to the need for cooling, low
> drag, and low weight. People in cars, and particularly in NASCAR cars,
> have WAY more protection in a crash. There's also WAY more to it than
> how fast you are going. It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
> have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS THAT.

Anyone with COMMON SENSE might understand that raod rash isn't the only kind of
injury that a person can sustain in a crash. Since you don't unerstand that, you
might not persist in such moronic blither about it. You mention in another post that
"Those guys routinely come out of a crash without a scratch." And you know this how?
From the same sources that told you that the cars have wipers?

> > That you keep nattering on about this **** when you obviously know next to
> > nothing about it and the fact that you are doing it to get a reaction out of
> > people (like an eight year old might) is a good indication that you're a very
> > silly person.
>
> As I just pointed out, you lack common sense.

Uh huh. That's rich.

> This is why I disparage NASCAR- it's a low-brow "sport" for neanderthals with no
> class. Cycling, on the other hand, is an elegant sport that requires everything
> motor sports do PLUS physical ability and the mental toughness to push yourself to
> the limit. Compare the skill and effort it takes to floor the accelerator on a car
> with the skill and effort it takes a cyclist to sprint. There's no comparison!

You sound like one of those stick and ball jocks who doesn't know squat about
racing of any sort who thinks that bicycle racing is for wusses, just like
motorsports. You obviously think racing a car is so simple that anyone can do it
successfully. What a pinhead.

> And that's my point. NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike
> racers. That's common sense. If that gets a reaction out of you, it
> simply proves that you lack common sense.

No, your point is that you don't like NASCAR (or, it seems, any motorsports).
That's fine, I really don't care. Everyone has likes and dislikes. But all of your
posts have been about knocking NASCAR. We get it - you don't like NASCAR. BFD. You
don't understand the most obvious thing about being in a high speed crash in a car
and want to compare it to crashing a bike, yet you say I lack COMMON SENSE? What a
dork.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 9:40 am, Fred Fredburger
<FredFredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
> Paul G. wrote:
> > It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
> > have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
> > THAT.
>
> ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE usually argues that the things they want to
> believe are facts. History in general supports me on this as thoroughly
> as the history of this newsgroup.

That' s a nice, vague generality. If you want to dispute something I
posted, be specific. For example: "He bruised his foot. BFD! Cyclists
get
hurt far worse at far lower speeds." Care to dispute that? No? I
didn't think so. It's not just something I "want to believe".

>
> Your NASCAR safety model is OK, so far as it goes. It fails to explain
> why John Blewett is dead. He's got company though, if that makes you
> feel better. Should be a bunch of bruised feet, right?

I never claimed that NASCAR racing was safe, or that no driver suffers
more than a bruised foot. It's common sense that neither one of those
things is true, so I don't see any need to explain why Joe Blow is
dead. Even golfers get killed on the course, usually by lightning.
Doesn't mean anyone with common sense thinks the hazards of golfing
are remotely comparable to those in bike racing. What I did say is
"NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike racers."

>
> ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
> some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
> cycling. They would probably conclude that objectivity in this matter is
> tricky. Do you normalize the data based on the number of participants,
> or deaths per mile or deaths per hour of racing or ...

What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
bruised foot. Not only that, but on a local descent I hit 52 mph, and
I'm old and cautious compared with when I was in my prime. Surely the
pros hit much higher speeds. A cyclist at that speed is taking far
more risk than a NASCAR driver at 200 mph or whatever their top speed
is. Those guys routinely come out of a crash without a scratch.

All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
-Paul

[Michael Press]

In article <B6ydnSrRMrKzvEnanZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com>,
Fred Fredburger <FredFredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:

> Paul G. wrote:
> > It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
> > have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
> > THAT.
>
> ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE usually argues that the things they want to
> believe are facts. History in general supports me on this as thoroughly
> as the history of this newsgroup.
>
> Your NASCAR safety model is OK, so far as it goes. It fails to explain
> why John Blewett is dead. He's got company though, if that makes you
> feel better. Should be a bunch of bruised feet, right?
>
> ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
> some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
> cycling. They would probably conclude that objectivity in this matter is
> tricky. Do you normalize the data based on the number of participants,
> or deaths per mile or deaths per hour of racing or ...

#serious injuries /((# races) x (# racers))

--
Michael Press

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Mar 9, 10:40*am, Fred Fredburger
<FredFredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:

> ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
> some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
> cycling.

If not self-delusion, then what manner of delusion is it?

It is easier to remember that it would simply be a waste of time.

[Michael Baldwin]

Paul G. says;

>All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
>common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
>blah blah". -Paul

...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
normal man...

How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
support his childish rant?

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Mar 9, 2:11*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

>
> All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".




Dumbass -


If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
analysis meaningless.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Bill C]

On Mar 9, 7:03*pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> Paul G. says;
>
> >All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
> >common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
> >blah blah". -Paul
>
> *...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
> normal man...
>
> * How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
> support his childish rant? *
>
> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Using his logic cyclists are pussies and not athletes either compared
to Ironman tri types, and they suck next to decathletes. He could just
check the archives since we killed this a long time ago too.
Bill C

[Michael Press]

In article <5187-47D46CB2-650@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
MLB5611@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:

> Paul G. says;
>
> >All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
> >common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
> >blah blah". -Paul
>
> ...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
> normal man...
>
> How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
> support his childish rant?

That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are not seemly,
nor in good taste.

--
Michael Press

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 3:03 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> Paul G. says;
>
> >All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
> >common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
> >blah blah". -Paul
>
> ...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
> normal man...
>
> How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
> support his childish rant?


Nice try. I'm kicking your ass here, and besides, that's not the
definition of "common sense". Look it up, don't make it up.
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 3:34 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 2:11 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> Dumbass -
>
> If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> analysis meaningless.

It doesn't take any of that to see that an orange is not an apple.
Anyone can simply look at them, and see that. I suppose if you are
totally devoid of common sense you could collect all kinds of data and
normalize it, and end up proving the same thing. But that hardly seems
necessary. So it is with NASCAR drivers and bike racers. Some of
those NASCAR drivers have double chins, fer crissakes. I just googled
"nascar double chin" and bingo, up pops Tony Stewart, Mr. Bruised Foot
himself! I wonder if all those g's he pulled in that crash caused his
double chin to crush his foot.

You won't find any double chins or pot bellies on professional
cyclists, and no, I don't need to collect data and normalize it to
prove that. It's common sense. :-)

I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
as a win. :-)
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 4:06 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 7:03 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
>
> > Paul G. says;
>
> > >All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
> > >common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
> > >blah blah". -Paul
>
> > ...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
> > normal man...
>
> > How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
> > support his childish rant?
>
> > Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
>
> Using his logic cyclists are pussies and not athletes either compared
> to Ironman tri types, and they suck next to decathletes. He could just
> check the archives since we killed this a long time ago too.
> Bill C

That's not using my logic, nor would I say that or anything remotely
like that. If you want to make up bull****, be my guest, but leave me
out of it.
-Paul

[Michael Baldwin]

>From: rubrum@pacbell.net (Michael*Press)
>In article <5187-47D46CB2-650@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
MLB5611@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
>Paul G. says;
>All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
>common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
>blah blah". -Paul
>**...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience
of
>normal man...
>****How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense
>to stop trying to support his childish rant?
>That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are
>not seemly, nor in good taste.
>--
>Michael Press

Michael,

If you're trying to paint me as some kind of anti-free speech nut it
won't stick.
The over- use of the phrase "common sense" is just one of my _very_
few pet peeves. Whenever the opportunity presents itself I enjoy
asking the user of the forementioned phrase "What _is_ common sense?"
Quite often, as defined, the "common sense" phrase user has no idea
as to "what is" common sense.
But to prove that I _do_ have "common sense", I've now learned to
never ask anyone, ever again, to define the phrase "common sense".
So I'll get out of your way now so that you may enjoy the expert
opinions of
Mr. Paul G. and continue your role as playground teacher.

just regards - Mike Baldwin

[Donald Munro]

Michael Press wrote:
> That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are not seemly, nor in good
> taste.

Good taste is andouillette in condensed milk.

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 6:16 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:

> The over- use of the phrase "common sense" is just one of my _very_
> few pet peeves. Whenever the opportunity presents itself I enjoy
> asking the user of the forementioned phrase "What _is_ common sense?"
> Quite often, as defined, the "common sense" phrase user has no idea
> as to "what is" common sense.

That's an amazing statement, since you don't seem to know the
definition of common sense yourself! This is bull****:
> ...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of normal man...

> But to prove that I _do_ have "common sense", I've now learned to
> never ask anyone, ever again, to define the phrase "common sense".
> So I'll get out of your way now so that you may enjoy the expert
> opinions of
> Mr. Paul G. and continue your role as playground teacher.
>
> just regards - Mike Baldwin

Gee, you're so... sensitive. He makes one mildly sarcastic comment and
you go ballistic. Damn, Mr. Press, what's your secret? I'm envious.
-Paul

[Michael Press]

In article <5187-47D499ED-666@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
MLB5611@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:

> >From: rubrum@pacbell.net (Michael*Press)
> >In article <5187-47D46CB2-650@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
> MLB5611@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> >Paul G. says;
> >All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
> >common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
> >blah blah". -Paul
> >**...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience
> of
> >normal man...
> >****How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense
> >to stop trying to support his childish rant?
> >That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are
> >not seemly, nor in good taste.
>
> If you're trying to paint me as some kind of anti-free speech nut it
> won't stick.
> The over- use of the phrase "common sense" is just one of my _very_
> few pet peeves. Whenever the opportunity presents itself I enjoy
> asking the user of the forementioned phrase "What _is_ common sense?"
> Quite often, as defined, the "common sense" phrase user has no idea
> as to "what is" common sense.
> But to prove that I _do_ have "common sense", I've now learned to
> never ask anyone, ever again, to define the phrase "common sense".
> So I'll get out of your way now so that you may enjoy the expert
> opinions of
> Mr. Paul G. and continue your role as playground teacher.

First of all get your quotation levels accurate.
Then we can talk about your misbehavior on the playground.

Can you find a better gate way to usenet than webtv?
Perhaps a real news server and news client?
Webtv is an abomination. It does not preserve the contents
of the References: header line.

What were we talking about?

--
Michael Press

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Mar 9, 7:16*pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:

> But to prove that I _do_ have "common sense", I've now learned to
> never ask anyone, ever again, to define the phrase "common sense".

On the usenet, I have a wide list of things to never ask.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Mar 9, 8:08*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> as a win. * :-)



Idiot -


That isn't true. You wrote:

> > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".

and I responded:

> If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> analysis meaningless.


It is not a non-sequitur.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Michael Baldwin]

Paul G. thinks my reply to Michael Press was "ballistic"?

>Gee, you're so... sensitive. He makes one mildly sarcastic comment
>and you go ballistic. Damn, Mr. Press, what's your secret?
>I'm envious. -Paul

...didn't me to spook you Paul G. LOL!

And Michael Press's "secret" is simple, he has credibility!

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

PS - you wanna "kick ass" take your bull**** ideas over to the nascar
boards
dumb **** (yep, more ballistics, this time the "F"-bomb) still LOL!

[Michael Press]

In article
<9a29e5b5-6be4-437f-8edc-ec7647237e58@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Mar 9, 6:16 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
>
> > The over- use of the phrase "common sense" is just one of my _very_
> > few pet peeves. Whenever the opportunity presents itself I enjoy
> > asking the user of the forementioned phrase "What _is_ common sense?"
> > Quite often, as defined, the "common sense" phrase user has no idea
> > as to "what is" common sense.
>
> That's an amazing statement, since you don't seem to know the
> definition of common sense yourself! This is bull****:
> > ...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of normal man...
>
> > But to prove that I _do_ have "common sense", I've now learned to
> > never ask anyone, ever again, to define the phrase "common sense".
> > So I'll get out of your way now so that you may enjoy the expert
> > opinions of
> > Mr. Paul G. and continue your role as playground teacher.
>
> Gee, you're so... sensitive. He makes one mildly sarcastic comment and
> you go ballistic.

Drat! I was going for irony.

> Damn, Mr. Press, what's your secret? I'm envious.

Stating the blindingly obvious, thinly veiled.

My dear Mother taught me how to put in the needle.
No substitute for that.

--
Michael Press

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

On Mar 9, 8:46*pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
>
> PS - you wanna "kick ass" take your bull**** ideas over to the nascar
> boards


Don't even think of going over there before doing your homework:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nascar/.element/pdf/2.0/sect/kyn/fan_guide.pdf

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 7:46 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
> Paul G. thinks my reply to Michael Press was "ballistic"?
>
> >Gee, you're so... sensitive. He makes one mildly sarcastic comment
> >and you go ballistic. Damn, Mr. Press, what's your secret?
> >I'm envious. -Paul
>
> ..didn't me to spook you Paul G. LOL!
>
> And Michael Press's "secret" is simple, he has credibility!
>
> Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
>
> PS - you wanna "kick ass" take your bull**** ideas over to the nascar
> boards
> dumb **** (yep, more ballistics, this time the "F"-bomb) still LOL!

Me, spooked? Not likely, but you seem pretty shook up over Mr. Press'
comment. You act like he took you to the woodshed for a whipping. As
for your f-bomb, two words: "childish rant". It is amusing the way
you combine it with "best regards", so thanks for another laugh.
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 8:05 pm, Fabrizio Mazzoleni <edward_whiteb...@stream.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 9, 8:46 pm, MLB5...@webtv.net (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
>
>
>
> > PS - you wanna "kick ass" take your bull**** ideas over to the nascar
> > boards
>
> Don't even think of going over there before doing your homework:
>
> http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nascar/.element/pdf/2.0/sect/kyn/fan_guide.pdf

Don't worry, I'm never "going over there". Why would I? Here's what a
reporter had to say on meeting the heroic Tony Stewart:

"I didn't even recognize Stewart when he shuffled into the locker room
15 minutes late, clutching a cup of coffee and sporting at least one
day's stubble. I was expecting someone bigger, more athletic, better
looking.

Instead, his hair was slicked back into a borderline mullet, like he
was living up to some sort of bad NASCAR stereotype. He has a small
pot belly and a double chin."

Sounds like he's not in the same league with Levi Leipheimer. Like I
said: "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike racers." That's my
opinion, and I think I've provided plenty of justification for it.
-Paul

[Kyle Legate]

Michael Press wrote:
>
> Can you find a better gate way to usenet than webtv?
> Perhaps a real news server and news client?
> Webtv is an abomination. It does not preserve the contents
> of the References: header line.
>
> What were we talking about?
>
We were talking about how Paul G. was "winning" a Usenet argument.

[Michael Baldwin]

>That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are
>not seemly, nor in good taste.
>--
>Michael Press

Note to Michael Press - If the above is not your quote I sincerely
apologize.
Next, regarding the abomination that's WebTV don't blame the inanimate
black box blame _ME_!
I have no problem with admitting my imperfections other than the time
consumed in doing so.
Again I apologize for mis-quoting you, that's truly not my style.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 9:40 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
..
>
> Anyone with COMMON SENSE might understand that raod rash isn't the only kind of
> injury that a person can sustain in a crash. Since you don't unerstand that, you
> might not persist in such moronic blither about it.

Now that's amazing- you wrote that just below the part where I wrote
about my friend dying from a head injury suffered in a bike crash at
less than 30 mph.
Yes, I do indeed know that road rash isn't the only injury a person
can sustain in a crash. It took the ambulance a long time to get out
there, so I had plenty of time to reflect on that...

I've said all I have to say to you, and yeah, I think I'm the epitome
of brilliance... compared with you.
-Paul

[TM]

"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote in message
>
> Sounds like he's not in the same league with Levi Leipheimer.

These Leipheimer fans are an odd lot.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <9fd6b878-fba6-4366-878f-11452c7b85ee@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote:

> On Mar 9, 9:40 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> .
> >
> > Anyone with COMMON SENSE might understand that raod rash isn't the only
> > kind of injury that a person can sustain in a crash. Since you don't understand
> > that, you might not persist in such moronic blither about it.
>
> Now that's amazing- you wrote that just below the part where I wrote
> about my friend dying from a head injury suffered in a bike crash at
> less than 30 mph.
> Yes, I do indeed know that road rash isn't the only injury a person
> can sustain in a crash. It took the ambulance a long time to get out
> there, so I had plenty of time to reflect on that...
>
> I've said all I have to say to you, and yeah, I think I'm the epitome
> of brilliance... compared with you.

Snicker... What a dork. By the way, I should add to what I said about stick and
ball jocks and their opinions on motorsports and bicycle racing. They think
motorsports types are wusses but bike racers are far more lame - after all, they ride
around in their underwear. You have the same ill-informed opinions about motorsports.
I appreciate that you like bike racing - it is a great sport. But your constant,
repititious babbling about something you know nothing about is pretty pathetic.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Bill C]

On Mar 10, 1:35*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

> I've said all I have to say to you, and yeah, I think I'm the epitome
> of brilliance... compared with you.
> -Paul

We've got a choice here between you, your idiocy and conceit, and
Howard who has been involved with significant amounts of bicycle,
motorcycle, and auto racing, and who's got a long established
credibility here, and your insupportable argument. A more extreme
example of the fitness and skills a Nascar driver needs are fighter
pilots. They both have to be able to understand, and react, to
stimulus, under massive pressure, and G forces, in a split second,
with precise, controlled physical movements, and then do it, over and
over for hours at a time. Requires stamina, especially in a 140 degree
car for 4 hours, vision, strength, and incredible coordination.
Different training and skills, but still impressive. I'd be really
happy to take almost any elite/pro bicycle racer into the gym to do
some deadlifts, or better yet "clean and jerk" reps. I know the
result, even with my injuries.
Are they pussies? That was my point about triathletes, and
decathletes. They do things bicycle racers can't without changing
their type of fitness and skill set.
Bill C

[Howard Kveck]

In article <7f04ea1a-e9b0-4551-8107-617c8e17ca22@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 9, 8:08*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> >
> > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > as a win. * :-)
>
> Idiot -
>
> That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> and I responded:
>
> > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > analysis meaningless.
>
>
> It is not a non-sequitur.

The fact he thinks he gets "wins" and is "kicking ass" on people says a lot about
the level of his mentality: low.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Mar 9, 11:23*pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 8:08*pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:

> That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> and I responded:
>
> > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > analysis meaningless.
>
> It is not a non-sequitur.

Yeah. It would have done the job to call it non-sense, which falls
outside of common sense, by definition.

[Paul G.]

On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > as a win. :-)
>
> Idiot -
>
> That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> and I responded:
>
> > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > analysis meaningless.
>
> It is not a non-sequitur.

Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part.
This, for example:
"What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
bruised foot."

That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with Tony
"Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)

I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
to bike racers."
-Paul

[Donald Munro]

Howard Kveck wrote:
> The fact he thinks he gets "wins" and is "kicking ass" on people says a
> lot about the level of his mentality: low.

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.phpi/463c5922/arguing.jpg?cb=1115204527

[Michael Press]

In article <47d4e83d$0$25193$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> > That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are not seemly, nor in good
> > taste.
>
> Good taste is andouillette in condensed milk.

Is that kosher?

--
Michael Press

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 3:36 am, "TM" <l...@lkjk.com> wrote:
> "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote in message
>
> > Sounds like he's not in the same league with Levi Leipheimer.
>
> These Leipheimer fans are an odd lot.

He's a local boy, so I get to see him around town. Besides being a
superb athlete, he's a very impressive guy. But yeah, I feel like a
fish out of water, being a cycling fan in this den of NASCAR
buffs. ;-))
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 4:16 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:

> A more extreme
> example of the fitness and skills a Nascar driver needs are fighter
> pilots. They both have to be able to understand, and react, to
> stimulus, under massive pressure, and G forces, in a split second,
> with precise, controlled physical movements, and then do it, over and
> over for hours at a time.

Now that's a hoot! I'm a USAF vet. I'll point out that fighter pilots
don't cancel their flights because of a little rain. And no, they
don't have windshield wipers either. Comparing them with pudgy NASCAR
bozos who only know how to turn left is an insult to our troops. Why
are you mixing in fighter pilots, motorcycle racers, triathletes, and
decathletes? I haven't said anything against any of those groups; in
fact I've got two motorcycles. I said "NASCAR drivers are wusses
compared to bike racers." and I gave lots of reasons why I hold that
opinion. (now some of that was tongue -in-cheek, but apparently some
of you are humor impaired.)

I didn't say it doesn't take any skill to be a NASCAR driver, or that
there are no risks, so don't bore me with that crap. I said "NASCAR
drivers are wusses compared to bike racers." I could add that they are
wusses compared with fighter pilots and superbike racers too. Um...
lessee. In general, I don't care much for popular culture. Shopping
malls, Britney Spears, rap music, crass materialism etc. I await
your wails for dissing Britney ...;-))
-Paul

p.s.- Did I mention that "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike
racers" ?

[Disclaimer- some of the above is intended to be humorous. Please
don't burn a cross in my front yard.]

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Mar 10, 10:26*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > as a win. * :-)
>
> > Idiot -
>
> > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > and I responded:
>
> > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part.
> This, for example:
> "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> bruised foot."
>
> That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with *Tony
> "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> to bike racers."




Dumbass -


You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:

http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg

Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[William R. Mattil]

Paul G. wrote:

> I'm a USAF vet. I'll point out that fighter pilots
> don't cancel their flights because of a little rain. And no, they
> don't have windshield wipers either.

The data on the aircraft is inaccurate. Some actually do have wipers,
and those that don't have other methods of dealing with moisture on the
windscreen. High pressure air (probably heated) being a commonly used
solution.

The Douglas A-4A and A4B had wipers (from memory) and later A-4's used
high pressure airflow.

Bill

[Carl Sundquist]

"Paul G." <carbide@egine.com> wrote in message
news:9976f2b6-7bb4-45a4-8811-88092dcac82f@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 10, 4:16 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> A more extreme
>> example of the fitness and skills a Nascar driver needs are fighter
>> pilots. They both have to be able to understand, and react, to
>> stimulus, under massive pressure, and G forces, in a split second,
>> with precise, controlled physical movements, and then do it, over and
>> over for hours at a time.
>
> Now that's a hoot! I'm a USAF vet.

So is Kunich.

[Fred Fredburger]

Paul G. wrote:
<more irrelevant stuff>

Bill said "the" and you didn't respond so he's the winner.

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Mar 10, 11:12 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:16 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Now that's a hoot! I'm a USAF vet. I'll point out that fighter pilots
> don't cancel their flights because of a little rain. And no, they
> don't have windshield wipers either. Comparing them with pudgy NASCAR
> bozos who only know how to turn left is an insult to our troops. Why
> are you mixing in fighter pilots, motorcycle racers, triathletes, and
> decathletes? I haven't said anything against any of those groups; in
> fact I've got two motorcycles. I said "NASCAR drivers are wusses
> compared to bike racers." and I gave lots of reasons why I hold that
> opinion. (now some of that was tongue -in-cheek, but apparently some
> of you are humor impaired.)

Look, insulting NECKCAR drivers for being pussies is
merely run-of-the-mill RBR obnoxious, but you just explicitly
_refused_ to insult triathletes. We cannot allow that kind of
behavior on RBR. Pipe down until you've unlearned some
manners.

Ben
RBR Chief of Protocol

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 10:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 10:26 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > > as a win. :-)
>
> > > Idiot -
>
> > > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > > and I responded:
>
> > > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> > Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part.
> > This, for example:
> > "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> > wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> > bruised foot."
>
> > That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with Tony
> > "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> > without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> > I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> > to bike racers."
>
> Dumbass -
>
> You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:
>
> http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg
>
> Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
> to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
> matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.

Yep, it's usenet, and I thoroughly enjoy a good bare-knuckle
smashmouth usenet brawl. "Magnificent! Compared to usenet all other
forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do
love it so!" [footnote 1]

I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post. I've got you where I
want you. In bike racing, I'd accelerate and drop you like a used
condom. But since you're a NASCAR fan I guess just this once I can
"put you into the wall" as they are so fond of saying.

I'll chalk that up as another win.

-Paul
p.s.- Did I mention that "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike
racers" ?

[footnote 1] OK, it's hyperbole. So sue me.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Mar 10, 11:44*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 10:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:26 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > > > as a win. * :-)
>
> > > > Idiot -
>
> > > > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > > > and I responded:
>
> > > > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > > > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> > > Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part.
> > > This, for example:
> > > "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> > > wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> > > bruised foot."
>
> > > That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with *Tony
> > > "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> > > without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> > > I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> > > to bike racers."
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:
>
> >http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg
>
> > Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
> > to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
> > matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.
>
> Yep, it's usenet, and I thoroughly enjoy a good bare-knuckle
> smashmouth usenet brawl. "Magnificent! Compared to usenet all other
> forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do
> love it so!" *[footnote 1]
>
> I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post. I've got you where I
> want you. In bike racing, I'd accelerate and drop you like a used
> condom. But since you're a NASCAR fan I guess just this once I can
> "put you into the wall" as they are so fond of saying.
>
> I'll chalk that up as another win.



You're a jackass.

If you read the rest of the thread, I smack on NASCAR just like you.

I took exception to that one thing in your post and it's true. Data
should be normalized.

Moron.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Fred Fredburger]

Paul G. wrote:

> I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post.

But he's not desperate enough to claim victory yet.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Mar 10, 11:52*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:44*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 10:26 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > > > > as a win. * :-)
>
> > > > > Idiot -
>
> > > > > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > > > > and I responded:
>
> > > > > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > > > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > > > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > > > > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> > > > Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part..
> > > > This, for example:
> > > > "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> > > > wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> > > > bruised foot."
>
> > > > That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with *Tony
> > > > "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> > > > without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> > > > I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> > > > to bike racers."
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:
>
> > >http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg
>
> > > Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
> > > to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
> > > matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.
>
> > Yep, it's usenet, and I thoroughly enjoy a good bare-knuckle
> > smashmouth usenet brawl. "Magnificent! Compared to usenet all other
> > forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do
> > love it so!" *[footnote 1]
>
> > I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post. I've got you where I
> > want you. In bike racing, I'd accelerate and drop you like a used
> > condom. But since you're a NASCAR fan I guess just this once I can
> > "put you into the wall" as they are so fond of saying.
>
> > I'll chalk that up as another win.
>
> You're a jackass.
>
> If you read the rest of the thread, I smack on NASCAR just like you.
>
> I took exception to that one thing in your post and it's true. Data
> should be normalized.
>
> Moron.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.



Dumbass -


Actually it was previous NASCAR threads. Regardless, I'm not a NASCAR
fan.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On Mar 10, 11:52*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:44*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 10:26 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > > > > as a win. * :-)
>
> > > > > Idiot -
>
> > > > > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > > > > and I responded:
>
> > > > > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > > > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > > > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > > > > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> > > > Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part..
> > > > This, for example:
> > > > "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> > > > wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> > > > bruised foot."
>
> > > > That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with *Tony
> > > > "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> > > > without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> > > > I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> > > > to bike racers."
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:
>
> > >http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg
>
> > > Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
> > > to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
> > > matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.
>
> > Yep, it's usenet, and I thoroughly enjoy a good bare-knuckle
> > smashmouth usenet brawl. "Magnificent! Compared to usenet all other
> > forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do
> > love it so!" *[footnote 1]
>
> > I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post. I've got you where I
> > want you. In bike racing, I'd accelerate and drop you like a used
> > condom. But since you're a NASCAR fan I guess just this once I can
> > "put you into the wall" as they are so fond of saying.
>
> > I'll chalk that up as another win.
>
> You're a jackass.
>
> If you read the rest of the thread, I smack on NASCAR just like you.
>
> I took exception to that one thing in your post and it's true. Data
> should be normalized.
>
> Moron.

Well that was easy to know -- just from the fact he is from Santa
Rosa. Aren't they all morons? Paul G is a tool, for sure. Starbucks
on Stony Point / Sebastapol Road at 5 PM. I'll be in purple.

--------------
Normalization is done for "objects" of the same class, not for
"apples" and "oranges." Now one can argue about how the classing is
to be done for any particular situation (what is proper and not
proper). A thing one does not want to do is say the objects aren't of
the same class and then simultaneously say they should be normalized.
That would not make sense. The "apples and oranges" phrase is
explicitly a colloquial way of saying "not of the same class." A
normalization of "apples and oranges" is a fundamental error. IOW,
your language is ****ed.

--------------
This is another classic rbr thread. I would like to extend my
encouragement to Paul G.

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 10:53 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:52 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 11:44 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 10:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 10, 10:26 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > > > > > as a win. :-)
>
> > > > > > Idiot -
>
> > > > > > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > > > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > > > > > and I responded:
>
> > > > > > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > > > > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > > > > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > > > > > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> > > > > Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part.
> > > > > This, for example:
> > > > > "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> > > > > wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> > > > > bruised foot."
>
> > > > > That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with Tony
> > > > > "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> > > > > without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> > > > > I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> > > > > to bike racers."
>
> > > > Dumbass -
>
> > > > You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:
>
> > > >http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg
>
> > > > Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
> > > > to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
> > > > matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.
>
> > > Yep, it's usenet, and I thoroughly enjoy a good bare-knuckle
> > > smashmouth usenet brawl. "Magnificent! Compared to usenet all other
> > > forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do
> > > love it so!" [footnote 1]
>
> > > I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post. I've got you where I
> > > want you. In bike racing, I'd accelerate and drop you like a used
> > > condom. But since you're a NASCAR fan I guess just this once I can
> > > "put you into the wall" as they are so fond of saying.
>
> > > I'll chalk that up as another win.
>
> > You're a jackass.
>
> > If you read the rest of the thread, I smack on NASCAR just like you.
>
> > I took exception to that one thing in your post and it's true. Data
> > should be normalized.
>
> > Moron.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Actually it was previous NASCAR threads. Regardless, I'm not a NASCAR
> fan.

In that case, please accept my sincere apologies, I think we can sort
your "data must be normalized" thing out pretty quickly.

Lessee:
How about # of pot bellies on pro cyclists vs NASCAR drivers? That's
zero for the cyclists and -uh- a **** load for the NASCAR drivers.
Next- # of double chins on pro cyclists vs NASCAR drivers. That's zero
for the cyclists and -uh- a **** load for the NASCAR drivers.
Maybe those NASCAR fatties should switch to chugging low fat milk...

You could look at the number of races completed in that rain storm,
NASCAR (zero) vs TOC (5?). Not a whole lot of calculations to make
there, which really simplifies things. But if it makes you happy, go
ahead and crunch those numbers.

If you want more data on the relative vulnerability of cyclists vs
people protected by the mass of a car you might contemplate the
outcome of that sheriff car vs the cyclists. That, unfortunately, is
exactly what I'm talking about. Those cyclists would have walked away
without a scratch had they been cocooned in a roll cage, safety
harness and full face helmet. That's simple physics... and common
sense.
-Paul

[Howard Kveck]

In article <O7adnSh3iOW6F0janZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast.com>,
Fred Fredburger <FredFredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:

> Paul G. wrote:
>
> > I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post.
>
> But he's not desperate enough to claim victory yet.

Claims of "wins" and "ass kickings" are one of the first signs of someone way out
of their depth in usenet. Or someone so clueless they don't know they're clueless.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> Paul G. wrote:
> > I'm a USAF vet. I'll point out that fighter pilots
> > don't cancel their flights because of a little rain. And no, they
> > don't have windshield wipers either.
>
> The data on the aircraft is inaccurate. Some actually do have wipers,
> and those that don't have other methods of dealing with moisture on the
> windscreen. High pressure air (probably heated) being a commonly used
> solution.
>
> The Douglas A-4A and A4B had wipers (from memory) and later A-4's used
> high pressure airflow.

The A-4 isn't a fighter, it's a ground attack plane. But I dunno-
maybe Spads had windshield wipers. ;-)
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 12:16 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 10:40 am, Fred Fredburger
>
> <FredFredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
> > ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
> > some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
> > cycling.
>
> If not self-delusion, then what manner of delusion is it?
>
> It is easier to remember that it would simply be a waste of time.

Check out the "dead cyclists" thread and then get back to me on who's
deluded.
-Paul

[Paul G.]

On Mar 10, 12:40 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 11:52 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 11:44 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 10:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 10, 10:26 am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 9, 10:23 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:08 pm, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I notice you didn't address the specifics in my post. I'll take that
> > > > > > > as a win. :-)
>
> > > > > > Idiot -
>
> > > > > > That isn't true. You wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
> > > > > > > > days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
>
> > > > > > and I responded:
>
> > > > > > > If you're going to compare apples to oranges, the data should be
> > > > > > > normalized. Otherwise the results have no context, rendering the
> > > > > > > analysis meaningless.
>
> > > > > > It is not a non-sequitur.
>
> > > > > Yeah it is. You didn't respond to the substance, the "all that" part.
> > > > > This, for example:
> > > > > "What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
> > > > > wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
> > > > > bruised foot."
>
> > > > > That's specific, and it's common sense. Compare that with Tony
> > > > > "Potbelly" Stewart hitting the wall at 150 mph and walking away
> > > > > without a scratch. Technically a bruise isn't a scratch. :-)
>
> > > > > I'll chalk that up as another win. "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
> > > > > to bike racers."
>
> > > > Dumbass -
>
> > > > You are a jackass. First of all, there's no such thing as winning:
>
> > > >http://www.soulinthemachine.com/archive/images/arguing.jpg
>
> > > > Second of all, there's no rule that anyone here is required to respond
> > > > to any or all of yours or anyone else's lameass "points". For that
> > > > matter, there are no rules at all. This is usenet.
>
> > > Yep, it's usenet, and I thoroughly enjoy a good bare-knuckle
> > > smashmouth usenet brawl. "Magnificent! Compared to usenet all other
> > > forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do
> > > love it so!" [footnote 1]
>
> > > I'm detecting a note of desperation in your post. I've got you where I
> > > want you. In bike racing, I'd accelerate and drop you like a used
> > > condom. But since you're a NASCAR fan I guess just this once I can
> > > "put you into the wall" as they are so fond of saying.
>
> > > I'll chalk that up as another win.
>
> > You're a jackass.
>
> > If you read the rest of the thread, I smack on NASCAR just like you.
>
> > I took exception to that one thing in your post and it's true. Data
> > should be normalized.
>
> > Moron.
>
> Well that was easy to know -- just from the fact he is from Santa
> Rosa. Aren't they all morons? Paul G is a tool, for sure. Starbucks
> on Stony Point / Sebastapol Road at 5 PM. I'll be in purple.
>
> --------------
> Normalization is done for "objects" of the same class, not for
> "apples" and "oranges." Now one can argue about how the classing is
> to be done for any particular situation (what is proper and not
> proper). A thing one does not want to do is say the objects aren't of
> the same class and then simultaneously say they should be normalized.
> That would not make sense. The "apples and oranges" phrase is
> explicitly a colloquial way of saying "not of the same class." A
> normalization of "apples and oranges" is a fundamental error. IOW,
> your language is ****ed.
>

Ah, but apples and oranges are of the same class, if the class is
fruits. But what would you know of class? You drink STARBUCKS coffee!
Gee, why not meet at the Windsor Walmart? I think they serve your kind
of coffee.
I did get a big laugh out of your "I'll be in purple" comment. You
have no idea. How about the Flying Goat, Sunday 10:15. Just look for
the biggest guy there, with a face that looks like it slid down Hwy 1
(cuz it did). Just walk right up and say "your language is ****ed." No
need to wear purple, I'll take care of that. :-)
-Paul

[Donald Munro]

Michael Press wrote:
>> > That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are not seemly, nor in
>> > good taste.

Donald Munro wrote:
>&g