any cycling seat Urination connection?

[WaterBoy]

hi all,

i seem to recall reading in the past,
about groin area problems, with men
[prostate, infertility, etc]

is there any truth to this,
or is it a case by case thing --
effects some, but not others?

i seem to be Urinating more in the last 5 years,
and it coincides with my cycling more;
although i've also gotten older in the last 5 years!
and this could be an age related thing

waterboy

[Jym Dyer]

> i seem to recall reading in the past, about groin area
> problems, with men [prostate, infertility, etc]
>
> is there any truth to this, or is it a case by case
> thing -- effects some, but not others?

=v= The stuff you saw in the media, and later in a bunch of
ads for newfangled saddles, was based on flawed research.

=v= Probably the main thing to worry about is proper fit to
the bike, and not having the saddle angled upwards.
<_Jym_>

[Jay]

"WaterBoy" <waterboy@financier.com> wrote in message
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> hi all,
>
>> although i've also gotten older in the last 5 years!
> and this could be an age related thing
>
> waterboy
>
How old are you? Sounds like it could be prostate. Quite normal for men ~ 50
yrs old.

54 yr old J.

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:16:35 -0700 (PDT) in rec.bicycles.misc,
WaterBoy <waterboy@financier.com> wrote:

> i seem to be Urinating more in the last 5 years,
> and it coincides with my cycling more;

how's your blood sugar? frequent urination can be a symptom of
diabetes.

[Andrew Price]

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:39:00 -0500, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:

>How old are you? Sounds like it could be prostate. Quite normal for men ~ 50
>yrs old.

Indeed. And prostate cancer is also quite common from that age on,
and the sooner it is diagnosed, the better the chances of complete
recovery. The OP should go and see his doctor.

[Jay]

"Andrew Price" <ajprice@free.fr> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:39:00 -0500, "Jay" <jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>How old are you? Sounds like it could be prostate. Quite normal for men ~
>>50
>>yrs old.
>
> Indeed. And prostate cancer is also quite common from that age on,
> and the sooner it is diagnosed, the better the chances of complete
> recovery. The OP should go and see his doctor.
>
Yeah, but let's not scare OP. When the big C has your number, U B goin'
down. Dat's my motto, and I B stickin' wit' it.

Anti-MD J.

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

| Yeah, but let's not scare OP. When the big C has your number, U B goin'
| down. Dat's my motto, and I B stickin' wit' it.
|
| Anti-MD J.

No, when "big C" has your number, the sooner you deal with it, the better. A
great many people live full lives after having been diagnosed with cancer.
And a great number of aren't diagnosed in time, don't. There is no downside
to early detection. That's not to say you're better off being paranoid and
tested for everything under the sun. Just be sensible.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Jay]

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:M__Aj.62057$Pv2.58573@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>| Yeah, but let's not scare OP. When the big C has your number, U B goin'
> | down. Dat's my motto, and I B stickin' wit' it.
> |
> | Anti-MD J.
>
> No, when "big C" has your number, the sooner you deal with it, the better.
> A
> great many people live full lives after having been diagnosed with cancer.
> And a great number of aren't diagnosed in time, don't. There is no
> downside
> to early detection. That's not to say you're better off being paranoid and
> tested for everything under the sun. Just be sensible.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
Yeah, but there's the rub. How does one determine what ache/pain needs MD
attention? My preference is, just be stoic. My mother was so stoic, she
almost died from acute appendicitis. She thought the pain would just go
away. The MD later said, she very nearly waited too long. That was after the
ambulance and the operation.

J.

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, "Jay"
<jbollyn@gmail.com> wrote:

> My preference is, just be stoic. My mother was so stoic, she
> almost died from acute appendicitis.

duh.

stoics die young.

[Leo Lichtman]

"Jay" wrote: (clip) She thought the pain would just go
> away. The MD later said, she very nearly waited too long. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
When the pain goes away, that means the appendix has ruptured. Just after
your mother might have sighed with relief, she might have died. Good that
she gave in when she did.

[Pat]

>>
> Yeah, but there's the rub. How does one determine what ache/pain needs MD
> attention? My preference is, just be stoic. My mother was so stoic, she
> almost died from acute appendicitis. She thought the pain would just go
> away. The MD later said, she very nearly waited too long. That was after
> the ambulance and the operation.
>
> J.

My mother experienced back pain one night, so she decided to just stay in
bed and she'd "outlast it." Well, after 4 days of no eating and no drinking
fluids, she developed pneumonia and died in the hospital. The Pulmanologist
said, "The human body is not designed to just lie in bed for days at a time
without getting vertical at some point."

dumb, dumb, dumb. And, yeah, she almost died from acute appendicitis when I
was 8 years old. Same story as your mother....
>
>

[me]

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500, Jay wrote:

> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:M__Aj.62057$Pv2.58573@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>>| Yeah, but let's not scare OP. When the big C has your number, U B
>>goin'
>> | down. Dat's my motto, and I B stickin' wit' it. |
>> | Anti-MD J.
>>
>> No, when "big C" has your number, the sooner you deal with it, the
>> better. A
>> great many people live full lives after having been diagnosed with
>> cancer. And a great number of aren't diagnosed in time, don't. There is
>> no downside
>> to early detection. That's not to say you're better off being paranoid
>> and tested for everything under the sun. Just be sensible.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
> Yeah, but there's the rub. How does one determine what ache/pain needs
> MD attention? My preference is, just be stoic. My mother was so stoic,
> she almost died from acute appendicitis. She thought the pain would just
> go away. The MD later said, she very nearly waited too long. That was
> after the ambulance and the operation.
>
> J.

WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
*likes" giving that exam ya know!

[Jay]

"Leo Lichtman" <l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Qp2Bj.294474$MJ6.18468@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Jay" wrote: (clip) She thought the pain would just go
>> away. The MD later said, she very nearly waited too long. (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> When the pain goes away, that means the appendix has ruptured. Just after
> your mother might have sighed with relief, she might have died. Good that
> she gave in when she did.
>
She did not want to bother me with a phone call at work. So when I get home,
ready for Miller Time, I need to call 911, and then go to the hospital? Ma,
don't do me any more favors like this!

J.

[Jay]

"me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:_NmBj.69732$pM4.3894@pd7urf1no...
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500, Jay wrote:
>
>
> WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
> urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
> Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
> *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>
>
Hey, we are all going to die of something, at some point in time.

I do not fear death. I do fear pain.

J.

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

| WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
| urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
| Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
| *likes" giving that exam ya know!

A slight over-simplification. In general, if you're over 45 and find you
can't put out fires with your hose anymore, that's fairly normal. But it's
certainly easy to get a PSA test to get a better idea if you've got
something to worry about or not (although a PSA test is by no means
conclusive). It's a simple blood test, nothing invasive or threatening
(providing you're not a wimp like me, who fears blood being drawn more than
most would believe, and yet I still had it done).

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:_NmBj.69732$pM4.3894@pd7urf1no...
| On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500, Jay wrote:
|
| > "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
| > news:M__Aj.62057$Pv2.58573@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
| >>| Yeah, but let's not scare OP. When the big C has your number, U B
| >>goin'
| >> | down. Dat's my motto, and I B stickin' wit' it. |
| >> | Anti-MD J.
| >>
| >> No, when "big C" has your number, the sooner you deal with it, the
| >> better. A
| >> great many people live full lives after having been diagnosed with
| >> cancer. And a great number of aren't diagnosed in time, don't. There is
| >> no downside
| >> to early detection. That's not to say you're better off being paranoid
| >> and tested for everything under the sun. Just be sensible.
| >>
| >> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
| >> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
| >>
| >>
| > Yeah, but there's the rub. How does one determine what ache/pain needs
| > MD attention? My preference is, just be stoic. My mother was so stoic,
| > she almost died from acute appendicitis. She thought the pain would just
| > go away. The MD later said, she very nearly waited too long. That was
| > after the ambulance and the operation.
| >
| > J.
|
| WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
| urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
| Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
| *likes" giving that exam ya know!

[me]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:25:32 -0500, Jay wrote:

> "me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:_NmBj.69732$pM4.3894@pd7urf1no...
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500, Jay wrote:
>>
>>
>> WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or
>> poor urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
>> Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
>> *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>>
>>
> Hey, we are all going to die of something, at some point in time.
>
> I do not fear death. I do fear pain.
>
> J.

Again WTF? Dude at work is 17 years my senior, can damn near out work me
and looks my age, and I look young for my years. He is a prostate cancer
survivor, he had treatment and was back at work *the same day!*
You think dying of cancer isn't painful??!!!

If you think you might have it, *GET the checkup!*

I don't have symptoms, but I'm getting into that age bracket, next time
I'm in to see the Doc, I'll ask for it.

[Jay]

"me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:m8nBj.69751$pM4.22239@pd7urf1no...
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:25:32 -0500, Jay wrote:
>
>> "me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:_NmBj.69732$pM4.3894@pd7urf1no...
>>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500, Jay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or
>>> poor urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
>>> Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
>>> *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>>>
>>>
>> Hey, we are all going to die of something, at some point in time.
>>
>> I do not fear death. I do fear pain.
>>
>> J.
>
> Again WTF? Dude at work is 17 years my senior, can damn near out work me
> and looks my age, and I look young for my years. He is a prostate cancer
> survivor, he had treatment and was back at work *the same day!*
> You think dying of cancer isn't painful??!!!
>
> If you think you might have it, *GET the checkup!*
>
> I don't have symptoms, but I'm getting into that age bracket, next time
> I'm in to see the Doc, I'll ask for it.
>
Please! Don't be a cerebral wimp.

My ancestors, on the great plains on North Dakota, would sneer at your wimpy
concerns. Life is totally indifferent to human pain. One is born, one
flowers, one ages, and then one dies. It is that simple. Just plant a
flower, and watch what happens. It is just like that, FOR US HUMANS. Humans
are not superior to flowers!

Please try to keep up.

J.

[me]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:51:12 -0500, Jay wrote:

> "me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:m8nBj.69751$pM4.22239@pd7urf1no...
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:25:32 -0500, Jay wrote:
>>
>>> "me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:_NmBj.69732$pM4.3894@pd7urf1no...
>>>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500, Jay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or
>>>> poor urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could
>>>> be Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
>>>> *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hey, we are all going to die of something, at some point in time.
>>>
>>> I do not fear death. I do fear pain.
>>>
>>> J.
>>
>> Again WTF? Dude at work is 17 years my senior, can damn near out work
>> me and looks my age, and I look young for my years. He is a prostate
>> cancer survivor, he had treatment and was back at work *the same day!*
>> You think dying of cancer isn't painful??!!!
>>
>> If you think you might have it, *GET the checkup!*
>>
>> I don't have symptoms, but I'm getting into that age bracket, next time
>> I'm in to see the Doc, I'll ask for it.
>>
> Please! Don't be a cerebral wimp.
>
> My ancestors, on the great plains on North Dakota, would sneer at your
> wimpy concerns. Life is totally indifferent to human pain. One is born,
> one flowers, one ages, and then one dies. It is that simple. Just plant
> a flower, and watch what happens. It is just like that, FOR US HUMANS.
> Humans are not superior to flowers!
>
> Please try to keep up.
>
> J.

*You* were the one saying you fear pain.

[Jay]

"me" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> *You* were the one saying you fear pain.
>
I *welcome* Liebestod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR1Dlokc_iY

Love-Death. It is a German (actually Teutonic) thing.

I don't expect mortals to understand.

J.

[Jay]

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:oloBj.13751$5K1.10216@newssvr12.news.prodigy. net...
>| WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
> | urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
> | Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
> | *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>
> A slight over-simplification. In general, if you're over 45 and find you
> can't put out fires with your hose anymore, that's fairly normal. But it's
> certainly easy to get a PSA test to get a better idea if you've got
> something to worry about or not (although a PSA test is by no means
> conclusive). It's a simple blood test, nothing invasive or threatening
> (providing you're not a wimp like me, who fears blood being drawn more
> than
> most would believe, and yet I still had it done).
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
Any plumber will tell you, pipes tend to constrict over time.

Don't worry dude, U ain't dead yet.

J.

[me]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:00:04 +0000, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

> | WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or
> poor | urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could
> be | Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
> | *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>
> A slight over-simplification. In general, if you're over 45 and find you
> can't put out fires with your hose anymore, that's fairly normal. But
> it's certainly easy to get a PSA test to get a better idea if you've got
> something to worry about or not (although a PSA test is by no means
> conclusive). It's a simple blood test, nothing invasive or threatening
> (providing you're not a wimp like me, who fears blood being drawn more
> than most would believe, and yet I still had it done).
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>

Agreed, a sensible answer not like some idiots. By poor, I meant
difficulty "going" Yes, at least get a PSA.
I hate trolls, ( not you ) but when a troll encourages others to put
their health at risk....Grrrrr.

[EasyCompany]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:00:04 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>| WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
>| urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
>| Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
>| *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>
>A slight over-simplification. In general, if you're over 45 and find you
>can't put out fires with your hose anymore, that's fairly normal. But it's
>certainly easy to get a PSA test to get a better idea if you've got
>something to worry about or not (although a PSA test is by no means
>conclusive). It's a simple blood test, nothing invasive or threatening
>(providing you're not a wimp like me, who fears blood being drawn more than
>most would believe, and yet I still had it done).
>
>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>

I can echo what Mike said. After a certain age, for some people that
happens.

There's a couple on-line questionnaires you can look through. Most of
them say 'rate 1-5 your characteristics', then you can see that 0-7 is
'mild', 8-15 is 'moderate' and so on.

My PSA is very low, a 0.7, but my genetics seem good (my Dad's is
0.8.)

Bear in mind that the only way to tell is to get probed or get an
ultrasound, wrt BPH. There's not a 1:1 correlation with PSA and PC,
and BPH, while not a malignancy is not good, it can still occlude
requiring somewhat dangerous surgery. (dangerous to your sex life,
that is).

If you're having frequent urination, though, that's more a diagnosis
found in diabetics, not BPH, which is lessening of urination)

HTH

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> I can echo what Mike said. After a certain age, for some people that
> happens.
>
> There's a couple on-line questionnaires you can look through. Most of
> them say 'rate 1-5 your characteristics', then you can see that 0-7 is
> 'mild', 8-15 is 'moderate' and so on.
>
> My PSA is very low, a 0.7, but my genetics seem good (my Dad's is
> 0.8.)

I managed a .3 or .03, don't remember which, I've got the paperwork
somewhere around here. Had to get tested for a life insurance physical. I
was pleasantly surprised, although it's not an absolute indicator in either
direction (as you mention in your next paragraph).

> Bear in mind that the only way to tell is to get probed or get an
> ultrasound, wrt BPH. There's not a 1:1 correlation with PSA and PC,
> and BPH, while not a malignancy is not good, it can still occlude
> requiring somewhat dangerous surgery. (dangerous to your sex life,
> that is).
>
> If you're having frequent urination, though, that's more a diagnosis
> found in diabetics, not BPH, which is lessening of urination)

The various blood tests for a life insurance physical (at 51 years of age)
are impressive. Had to go to the internet to figure out what half the tests
were for. About half of them were various liver function tests (they don't
take it at face value when you check the box for not drinking?). And then a
battery of blood sugar tests etc. The only thing missing on the sheet they
sent me? Hematocrit. No hematocrit level given!!! I got short-changed.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"EasyCompany" <SgtRock@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pjpct3hhimfb7o2q626af3g1tjvur2n814@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:00:04 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
> <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>| WTF? If you're over 45 and have problems with frequent urination or poor
>>| urination go see a doctor *NOW!* Even if you're female it could be
>>| Diabetes. Don't die of embarrassment! Geeze! It's not like the Doc
>>| *likes" giving that exam ya know!
>>
>>A slight over-simplification. In general, if you're over 45 and find you
>>can't put out fires with your hose anymore, that's fairly normal. But it's
>>certainly easy to get a PSA test to get a better idea if you've got
>>something to worry about or not (although a PSA test is by no means
>>conclusive). It's a simple blood test, nothing invasive or threatening
>>(providing you're not a wimp like me, who fears blood being drawn more
>>than
>>most would believe, and yet I still had it done).
>>
>>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>
> I can echo what Mike said. After a certain age, for some people that
> happens.
>
> There's a couple on-line questionnaires you can look through. Most of
> them say 'rate 1-5 your characteristics', then you can see that 0-7 is
> 'mild', 8-15 is 'moderate' and so on.
>
> My PSA is very low, a 0.7, but my genetics seem good (my Dad's is
> 0.8.)
>
> Bear in mind that the only way to tell is to get probed or get an
> ultrasound, wrt BPH. There's not a 1:1 correlation with PSA and PC,
> and BPH, while not a malignancy is not good, it can still occlude
> requiring somewhat dangerous surgery. (dangerous to your sex life,
> that is).
>
> If you're having frequent urination, though, that's more a diagnosis
> found in diabetics, not BPH, which is lessening of urination)
>
> HTH
>

[WaterBoy]

..
thanks all for the feedback

i'm 61 now, and overdue for the Urologist
[looking for one now] will get all available tests

it's hard to admit i'm a procrastinator;
i guess i was looking for an easy way out

thanks
waterboy

[Bill Sornson]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

Hematocrit. No hematocrit...

Short course bleeding?

[Dennis P. Harris]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:20:45 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Mike
Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:

> About half of them were various liver function tests (they don't
> take it at face value when you check the box for not drinking?)

That's not it. Long term use of NSAIDs like ibuprofen can cause
liver or kidney damage, and there are a surprising number of
folks who have had low-grade hepatitis infections who don't
realize that they have contracted it, but the liver damage has
occurred.