Snowmelt season begins

[Ron Wallenfang]

Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
worst since the 1970s in others. That's back when the spiritual
parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.

For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
indispensible part of the human adventure. How monotonous it must be
after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!

What does snowmelt season involve: well, for openers, there are
freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
the afternoon. And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.

There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
in a few more weeks. Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
during the summer. And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
icy when I checked yesterday.

Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.

As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
observations are at small falls). With all that flow underneath, I
sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.

And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
to come off.

The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
adventure then.

To every season, its time!

[Harry Brogan]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron Wallenfang
<rwallenfang@wi.rr.com> wrote:

>Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
>32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
>than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
>worst since the 1970s in others. That's back when the spiritual
>parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.
>
>For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
>indispensible part of the human adventure. How monotonous it must be
>after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!
>
>What does snowmelt season involve: well, for openers, there are
>freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
>to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
>the afternoon. And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.
>
>There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
>shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
>in a few more weeks. Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
>the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
>main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
>during the summer. And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
>resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
>icy when I checked yesterday.
>
>Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
>begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
>spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
>through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
>all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.
>
>As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
>but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
>observations are at small falls). With all that flow underneath, I
>sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.
>
>And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
>to come off.
>
>The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
>going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
>adventure then.
>
>To every season, its time!


Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.

What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
any kind right now.

I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
bay. Hopefully that will work. But I can't wait until the temps are
above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
__o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
_`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
(_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

[Stephen Harding]

Ron Wallenfang wrote:

> For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
> indispensible part of the human adventure. How monotonous it must be
> after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!

Indeed. Spring is just sooo much nicer after you've been
through a winter!

> What does snowmelt season involve: well, for openers, there are
> freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
> to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
> the afternoon. And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.

I don't recall a "pothole season" as bad as this one currently
underway. The roads seemed to self-destruct this winter. I
think the heavy rains combined with teen and sub-zero temperatures
that we had for week long segments really broke the roads.

> There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
> shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
> in a few more weeks. Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
> the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
> main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
> during the summer. And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
> resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
> icy when I checked yesterday.

I noted last spring an increase in bicycle traffic. In response to
the high gas prices that then receded during the summer.

The "new" riders weren't draped in lycra or spandex either.
Cruising along at 10 mph on a hybrid, somewhat unsteadily at the
extreme road edge, dressed in "normal clothes", I deduced they
were new commuters.

With gas prices back up to last spring's levels, and this time
probably not going down much, I suspect I'll see a new crop of
spring pedal commuters along the roads and bike paths at opening
and closing times of coming spring days.

It's good to see and the activity certainly beats my current $100
full tank gas fillup.

> Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
> begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
> spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
> through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
> all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.

And the bears! One sees them along the local town bike path from
time to time, and I know from reports and personal experience (they
knocked off a couple bird feeders and walked off with a full cage
of suet from my yard this week) the bears are awake! It's become a
spring anticipation like early crocuses.

> To every season, its time!

Yes indeed. I do want time to start "slowing down" now though. I
hatch far too many plans for the spring-fall outdoor seasons to
actually accomplish, but it seems time accelerates once the sun comes
up early and leaves later.


SMH

[Luke]

In article
<0f358d7b-5c08-4ced-a06a-4be3b75dd0c5@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Ron Wallenfang <rwallenfang@wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
> 32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
> than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
> worst since the 1970s in others. That's back when the spiritual
> parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.

<snip>

A local rag ran a story that Toronto's accumulated snowfall for the
winter of 07/08 is the greatest since 1939! And meteorologists say it
ain't over yet.

http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/2002?size=_original

But, by Gawd, the mild temperatures - that is, around zero celsius -
*are* welcome. Bring on Spring! Can't wait.

[Jeff]

Ron Wallenfang wrote:
> Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
> 32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
> than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
> worst since the 1970s in others. That's back when the spiritual
> parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.
>
> For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
> indispensible part of the human adventure. How monotonous it must be
> after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!
>
> What does snowmelt season involve: well, for openers, there are
> freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
> to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
> the afternoon. And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.
>
> There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
> shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
> in a few more weeks. Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
> the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
> main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
> during the summer. And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
> resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
> icy when I checked yesterday.
>
> Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
> begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
> spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
> through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
> all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.
>
> As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
> but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
> observations are at small falls). With all that flow underneath, I
> sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.
>
> And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
> to come off.
>
> The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
> going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
> adventure then.
>
> To every season, its time!

Here in Winnipeg, with normal daytime highs nearing the freezing point,
we're encountering the first indication that spring is on its way:

the potholes have returned from San Juan Capistrano.

I'm spending a lot of time hanging out in LBSs looking for a new
commuter bike. The itch to be out on two wheels is killing me.

[Tom Sherman]

Ron Wallenfang wrote:
> Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
> 32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
> than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
> worst since the 1970s in others. That's back when the spiritual
> parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.
>
> For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
> indispensible part of the human adventure. How monotonous it must be
> after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!
>
> What does snowmelt season involve: well, for openers, there are
> freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
> to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
> the afternoon. And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.
>
> There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
> shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
> in a few more weeks. Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
> the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
> main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
> during the summer. And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
> resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
> icy when I checked yesterday.
>
> Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
> begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
> spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
> through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
> all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.
>
> As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
> but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
> observations are at small falls). With all that flow underneath, I
> sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.
>
> And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
> to come off.
>
> The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
> going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
> adventure then.
>
> To every season, its time!
>
I am holding Ron personally responsible for what we are about to receive
from the sky - the forecast is for about 0.2 meters of snow by the lake.

Wisconsin in the spring - beer, cheese, bratwurst and a blizzard!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[charlescrary613@hotmail.com]

On Mar 13, 6:22*am, Harry Brogan
<hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron Wallenfang
>
>
>
>
>
> <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> >Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
> >32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
> >than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
> >worst since the 1970s in others. *That's back when the spiritual
> >parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.
>
> >For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
> >indispensible part of the human adventure. *How monotonous it must be
> >after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!
>
> >What does snowmelt season involve: *well, for openers, there are
> >freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
> >to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
> >the afternoon. *And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.
>
> >There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
> >shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
> >in a few more weeks. *Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
> >the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
> >main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
> >during the summer. *And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
> >resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
> >icy when I checked yesterday.
>
> >Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
> >begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
> >spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
> >through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
> >all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.
>
> >As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
> >but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
> >observations are at small falls). *With all that flow underneath, I
> >sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.
>
> >And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
> >to come off.
>
> >The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
> >going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
> >adventure then.
>
> >To every season, its time!
>
> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. *The snow here has, for the most
> part, already melted away. *Save for the shady areas. *We are still
> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>
> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
> any kind right now.
>
> I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
> bay. *Hopefully that will work. *But I can't wait until the temps are
> above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
> * *__o * | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
> *_`\(,_ *| I no longer despair for the human race.
> (_)/ (_) | * * * * * * * * * * * * ---H.G. Wells---- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ron, Where do you live? I am in Syracuse and whenever spring
seems to be here we get more snow and cold. I can;'t imagine
what that salt does to a bike. Love having daylight savings time
here. charlie

[DanKMTB@gmail.com]

On Mar 13, 6:22*am, Harry Brogan
<hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron Wallenfang
>
>
>
>
>
> <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> >Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
> >32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
> >than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
> >worst since the 1970s in others. *That's back when the spiritual
> >parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.
>
> >For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
> >indispensible part of the human adventure. *How monotonous it must be
> >after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!
>
> >What does snowmelt season involve: *well, for openers, there are
> >freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
> >to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
> >the afternoon. *And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.
>
> >There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
> >shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
> >in a few more weeks. *Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
> >the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
> >main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
> >during the summer. *And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
> >resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
> >icy when I checked yesterday.
>
> >Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
> >begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
> >spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
> >through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
> >all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.
>
> >As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
> >but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
> >observations are at small falls). *With all that flow underneath, I
> >sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.
>
> >And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
> >to come off.
>
> >The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
> >going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
> >adventure then.
>
> >To every season, its time!
>
> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. *The snow here has, for the most
> part, already melted away. *Save for the shady areas. *We are still
> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>
> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
> any kind right now.
>
> I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
> bay. *Hopefully that will work. *But I can't wait until the temps are
> above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
> * *__o * | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
> *_`\(,_ *| I no longer despair for the human race.
> (_)/ (_) | * * * * * * * * * * * * ---H.G. Wells---- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah yes, snowmelt season. More road salt than anything else, and the
slush is almost as good for bike handling as it is for the bike
itself. The only consolation is that it's almost time to break out
the kayaks and do the summertime "lazy easy rivers" in grade 2+
conditions.

[Edward Dolan]

"Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
news:kqvht3dpm779197uept29shu25fp7mlmgu@4ax.com...
[...]
> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>
> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
> any kind right now.
>
> I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
> bay. Hopefully that will work. But I can't wait until the temps are
> above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!

Jesus Christ Almighty - Harry is leading the good life there in Lincoln,
Nebraska! It sounds like a paradise to me. Hells Bells, I may even move down
there so I can partake of Harry's exciting life in the Heartland!

But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The summers
go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider, but the winters slog along like
Harry on his clunker trike. Yup, 9 long months of winter and 3 short months
of summer. That is Nebraska - and Minnesota is even worse! **** the Upper
Midwest all the way to Hell and back! NOW is the winter of my discontent.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Chalo]

Harry Brogan wrote:
>
> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>
> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
> any kind right now.

On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.

I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
Africa, you know.

Chalo

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Mar 13, 3:22*am, Harry Brogan
<hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:

Dear Harry,

The snow from Sunday's storm has all melted.

Today I noticed the first turkey vultures of spring, Pueblo's answer
to the swallows of San Capistrano. After soaring to catch my eye, they
obligingly perched and posed in their favorite blue spruce:

http://i30.tinypic.com/xdv6td.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2nqa63p.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2eoutqp.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/iyempg.jpg

An old photo of Hurlly, a captive-bred turkey vulture. Hurlly used to
share the bike path until the authorities decided that he'd do better
back in captivity:

http://i25.tinypic.com/2dr5t6o.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Ben Kaufman]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:31:10 -0700 (PDT), charlescrary613@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Mar 13, 6:22*am, Harry Brogan
><hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT), Ron Wallenfang
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <rwallenf...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>> >Temperatures in southern Wisconsin have finally begun making it over
>> >32F on a daily basis, after a winter that, though not too much colder
>> >than normal, was the worst ever for snowfall in some places and the
>> >worst since the 1970s in others. *That's back when the spiritual
>> >parents of today's global warming alarmists were "ice age" alarmists.
>>
>> >For us confirmed northerners, the regular change of seasons is an
>> >indispensible part of the human adventure. *How monotonous it must be
>> >after a while to have nothing but "another nice day"!
>>
>> >What does snowmelt season involve: *well, for openers, there are
>> >freeze-thaw cycles every day, that leave a few icy patches in the road
>> >to add spice to the morning bike commute; you just get a little wet in
>> >the afternoon. *And of course, this means more potholes to avoid.
>>
>> >There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
>> >shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
>> >in a few more weeks. *Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
>> >the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
>> >main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
>> >during the summer. *And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
>> >resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
>> >icy when I checked yesterday.
>>
>> >Along the commute, one can monitor the steady retreat of the snow,
>> >begin with favored sunny locations and south facing slopes, then bare
>> >spots around tree trunks that steadily radiate outwards, and so on
>> >through grassy areas, small and large snowbanks, woodlots, and last of
>> >all, the near glaciers that are piled up in parking lots.
>>
>> >As of today, the Milwaukee and Menomonee Rivers had a healthy flow,
>> >but not yet a vigorous one, and most of that under ice (my
>> >observations are at small falls). *With all that flow underneath, I
>> >sure wouldn't want to be on that ice.
>>
>> >And of course it's time for the ice fishermens' shacks on local lakes
>> >to come off.
>>
>> >The spring softball and soccer leagues are chomping at the bit to get
>> >going, but in these parts, can't do it until April, and it's an
>> >adventure then.
>>
>> >To every season, its time!
>>
>> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. *The snow here has, for the most
>> part, already melted away. *Save for the shady areas. *We are still
>> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>
>> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>> any kind right now.
>>
>> I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
>> bay. *Hopefully that will work. *But I can't wait until the temps are
>> above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
>> * *__o * | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
>> *_`\(,_ *| I no longer despair for the human race.
>> (_)/ (_) | * * * * * * * * * * * * ---H.G. Wells---- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Ron, Where do you live? I am in Syracuse and whenever spring
>seems to be here we get more snow and cold. I can;'t imagine
>what that salt does to a bike. Love having daylight savings time
>here. charlie

I hedge with XC skate skiing.

Ben

[datakoll]

Green is flood

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/

yellow is kayakville

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/ahps/

and yes, down 50% from last look I took-30 days ago?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SNOW/

butbutbut not completely accurate

http://www.aspensnowmass.com/onmountain/reports/default.cfm

http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7943303

[Zoot Katz]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:26:51 GMT, Stephen Harding
<smharding16@msn.com> wrote:

>> There's the joy of shedding a sweater, switching back to real biking
>> shoes, using thinner gloves, and looking forward to riding in bermudas
>> in a few more weeks. Then there's arriving at work, and finding for
>> the first time in many weeks that mine is not the only bike in the
>> main racks where I work - two others this week en route to 10 - 15
>> during the summer. And hopefully, by the end of this week, I can
>> resume riding the main bike trail north of downtown - it was still too
>> icy when I checked yesterday.
>
>I noted last spring an increase in bicycle traffic. In response to
>the high gas prices that then receded during the summer.
>
Higher fuel prices are only part of the reason we're seeing more
bikes. Nice weather is going to bring out a lot of people for their
first of maybe six rides for the whole year. There's also the ones in
sweat suits or lycra determined to lose those excess pounds they
acquired over the winter.

The styling' fixer hipsters and casual cruisers are again emerging to
make the scene on the warmer sunny days. There are logically more
fair-weather cyclists commuting than the die-hards who ride all year.

Riding is possible, though not always pleasant, through Vancouver's
rainy winters. Sometimes spring, summer and autumn are wet too. Last
year summer was short.
This winter we've had two snowfalls that quickly turned to slush and
went away. I still have to watch for black-ice when the temperatures
get below freezing.

>The "new" riders weren't draped in lycra or spandex either.
>Cruising along at 10 mph on a hybrid, somewhat unsteadily at the
>extreme road edge, dressed in "normal clothes", I deduced they
>were new commuters.
>
>With gas prices back up to last spring's levels, and this time
>probably not going down much, I suspect I'll see a new crop of
>spring pedal commuters along the roads and bike paths at opening
>and closing times of coming spring days.

People are increasingly seeing images of bicycles inserted into their
advertising. Some people may ride more and drive less due to fuel
costs. Others may adopt cycling for different reasons. They may be
interested in reducing their carbon footprint or a living a lifestyle
more appealing to them than the NA$CAR, GMAC, AAA, etc. mainstream.

The more we can "normalise" cycling the more converts we'll attract.
Bicycling must, above all, be sexy. Stop dressing like a shlameil or
trying emulate Fabrizio Mazzoleni. Both baggies and lycra can look
hot if you know how to carry it off.
>
>It's good to see and the activity certainly beats my current $100
>full tank gas fillup.

Every winter I've noticed more cyclists on the road. I've recently
even seen lots of other bicycle tire tracks on the snow covered
streets. On a nice winter's day I'll see up to thirty other cyclists
in 7 km along a "bike-route". On a rainy day, in any season I might,
at best, see ten. It takes a prolonged bus strike before bike-rack
parking becomes problematic.

Snow meltt also means that a whole lot of dog **** is now exposed.
--
zk

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The summers
> go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider,[...]

Hey Ed,

The correct term is "lowracer", e.g. this is one of my lowracers:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/19704682@N08/1939602865/>.

A "low-rider" is a bicycle built purely for show.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[burkley@gmail.com]

On Mar 13, 8:54 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
>
> news:kqvht3dpm779197uept29shu25fp7mlmgu@4ax.com...
> [...]
>
> > Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
> > part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
> > getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>
> > What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
> > items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
> > any kind right now.
>
> > I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
> > bay. Hopefully that will work. But I can't wait until the temps are
> > above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
>
> Jesus Christ Almighty - Harry is leading the good life there in Lincoln,
> Nebraska! It sounds like a paradise to me. Hells Bells, I may even move down
> there so I can partake of Harry's exciting life in the Heartland!
>
> But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The summers
> go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider, but the winters slog along like
> Harry on his clunker trike. Yup, 9 long months of winter and 3 short months
> of summer. That is Nebraska - and Minnesota is even worse! **** the Upper
> Midwest all the way to Hell and back! NOW is the winter of my discontent.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Lincoln NE, yes indeed. I grew up in Omaha, and now reside in Rhode
Island. In RI, our winters tend to be around 30 - 40 (f). I visited
family in Omaha during December, ice and snow on the ground, temp
about 15 (f).

Sucks to be in NE, for sure.

By the way, have any readers here done BRAN?

http://www.bran-inc.org/

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:frcjb1$pb8$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>> But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The
>> summers go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider,[...]
>
> Hey Ed,
>
> The correct term is "lowracer", e.g. this is one of my lowracers:
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/19704682@N08/1939602865/>.
>
> A "low-rider" is a bicycle built purely for show.

I have actually only seen a couple of lowracers in my life and never ridden
one. They are very rare.

I can't say that I care for the breed much. However, they do look comfy and
fast. It is mainly the high BB that puts me off. I wonder if some day you
too may not find that the high BB on both of your Sunsets, including your
Dragonflyer trike, may give you numb feet. I think the older you get the
more likely this is to happen.

I like the way you have your tires configured on your various bikes. Very
sensible! The bikes all look so clean, I wonder if you ever ride them?

By the way, which stem-handlebar configuration do you like the best on your
Sunsets? Aren't your arms a bit stretched too much on No. 6?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[datakoll]

if one looks low at the snow cover map, see an animation link.

when snow melts into the ground, dust, IC particulates are left
drifting into the air and off course into your lungs. The stuff is
waaaaayyy more than a cartoon of butts, enough for preserving Cheops'
ham.

yawl need to walk thru the fields more, feel the sun embrace the land
not whine about your fate.

[Edward Dolan]

"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:71224a4e-f09a-44e3-ab43-785a16260508@y77g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> if one looks low at the snow cover map, see an animation link.
>
> when snow melts into the ground, dust, IC particulates are left
> drifting into the air and off course into your lungs. The stuff is
> waaaaayyy more than a cartoon of butts, enough for preserving Cheops'
> ham.
>
> yawl need to walk thru the fields more, feel the sun embrace the land
> not whine about your fate.

Easy enough for you to say. You do not live in Upper Slobovia (Minnesota) or
Lower Slobovia (Iowa). How much fun do you think it is to go through 9
months of the year cursing the weather? Even June is a fairly miserable
month. Hells Bells, I might as well be living in freaking Alaska or Siberia!

Frankly, I am fed up with the Upper Midwest. The only virtue it ever had was
that it was not too crowded, but even that is changing for the worse now
with the recent immigration. Lately I spend all of my time dreaming about
places like Costa Rica or Panama, but I don't know if you can live in those
countries unless you are rich. The only thing I hate worst than a miserable
climate are miserable people and we know of course that third world nations
are full of brigands.

I take great consolation in the certain knowledge that I will be dead in a
few more years and, as all the old songs have it, my troubles will soon be
over. Yea, this world cannot possibly be our true home. It is way too
wretched for that.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[datakoll]

Mr. Dolan, you should get out more and develop new interests.
I live in paradise on the beach at Cape Canaveral. The educated and
rich people here are mainly interested in smelling assholes. If your
interests run to that sort of thing, common down!

[Edward Dolan]

"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1b86bb3b-a197-441d-973e-705cec303330@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO WHICH
HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!

> Mr. Dolan, you should get out more and develop new interests.
> I live in paradise on the beach at Cape Canaveral. The educated and
> rich people here are mainly interested in smelling assholes. If your
> interests run to that sort of thing, common down!

I can plainly see you are where you belong. Smelling assholes is surely what
you were born to do.

But why live in North Florida when South Florida is not that far away and it
has the only subtropical climate in the continental US? You have made a
compromise, no doubt because you are not rich enough to live in South
Florida.

Hells Bells, if I simply wanted to live in a place with a somewhat better
climate than Minnesota I would go to Arkansas, but it is just chock full of
assholes. Isn't that where the Clintons are from? Huckabee also proved to be
another ******* from Arkansas.

Nay, I will stay with my Minnesota assholes. Better the Assholes you know
than the Assholes you do not know!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[datakoll]

AH NO ed.

I am now under attack from Cape Canaveral for writing people here are
interested in ******* smelling. Posts adverting watchs maybe related
as my truck is under attack. A prior attack, of which the people of
Florida are proud of, was wiping acid on my 544's radiator. The people
here brag and support the WTC terrorism. After that say what, right?
Butbutbut what is true is true. The area sports several mobile
loudspeaker systems hearable over 1 mile or more, occasionally a
ship's hailer system is used.
One loudspeaker topic is ******* smelling. The truck or car carrying
the system will cruise the area advising the public, this is at
150-180 db, on whose ******* smells and whose ******* doesn't smell:
24 hours a day. For example, if you speak to a woman, a loudspeaker
will show up and begin advising you on the woman's genital hygiene.
As many locals work at KSC, I assume preoccupation with *******
smelling is somehow related to rocketry.
Top that in Minneapolis ?

[Edward Dolan]

<burkley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:102de228-2b6c-4b69-a8b9-4987db114872@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 13, 8:54 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
>>
>> news:kqvht3dpm779197uept29shu25fp7mlmgu@4ax.com...
>> [...]
>>
>> > Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>> > part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>> > getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>
>> > What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>> > items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>> > any kind right now.
>>
>> > I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
>> > bay. Hopefully that will work. But I can't wait until the temps are
>> > above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
>>
>> Jesus Christ Almighty - Harry is leading the good life there in Lincoln,
>> Nebraska! It sounds like a paradise to me. Hells Bells, I may even move
>> down
>> there so I can partake of Harry's exciting life in the Heartland!
>>
>> But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The
>> summers
>> go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider, but the winters slog along like
>> Harry on his clunker trike. Yup, 9 long months of winter and 3 short
>> months
>> of summer. That is Nebraska - and Minnesota is even worse! **** the Upper
>> Midwest all the way to Hell and back! NOW is the winter of my discontent.
>>
>
> Lincoln NE, yes indeed. I grew up in Omaha, and now reside in Rhode
> Island. In RI, our winters tend to be around 30 - 40 (f). I visited
> family in Omaha during December, ice and snow on the ground, temp
> about 15 (f).
>
> Sucks to be in NE, for sure.
>
> By the way, have any readers here done BRAN?
>
> http://www.bran-inc.org/

Greetings ... oh former miserable Upper Midwest dweller! Yea, you made the
right move alright. I once lived in New York
City for a few years and I thought the climate there was positively tropical
compared to the Upper Midwest. I have also lived in other areas of the
country and I can say without any fear of contradiction that the Upper
Midwest has one of the most wretched climates on earth. Harry likes it here
because he belongs to the species Homo Dumbbells.

I have done BRAN on 3 occasions and it is one of the hardest week long tours
to do. They have got it set up so that you have to cross the entire state
from west to east and that takes about 7 days at almost 100 miles a day.
That is not easy to do, especially after a few days of it.

However, the routes can be very good. They take pretty good care of you with
sags and rest stops along the way and the small towns of Nebraska are
fascinating. It is Americana at its best. The ride is always in early June
and so the weather can be horrible. There are much better rides to do than
the Nebraska one, that is for sure. My very favoite ride is the Wisconsin
one known as GRABAAWR.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Harry Brogan]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT), burkley@gmail.com wrote:

>On Mar 13, 8:54 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
>>
>> news:kqvht3dpm779197uept29shu25fp7mlmgu@4ax.com...
>> [...]
>>
>> > Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>> > part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>> > getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>
>> > What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>> > items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>> > any kind right now.
>>
>> > I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
>> > bay. Hopefully that will work. But I can't wait until the temps are
>> > above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
>>
>> Jesus Christ Almighty - Harry is leading the good life there in Lincoln,
>> Nebraska! It sounds like a paradise to me. Hells Bells, I may even move down
>> there so I can partake of Harry's exciting life in the Heartland!
>>
>> But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The summers
>> go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider, but the winters slog along like
>> Harry on his clunker trike. Yup, 9 long months of winter and 3 short months
>> of summer. That is Nebraska - and Minnesota is even worse! **** the Upper
>> Midwest all the way to Hell and back! NOW is the winter of my discontent.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>Lincoln NE, yes indeed. I grew up in Omaha, and now reside in Rhode
>Island. In RI, our winters tend to be around 30 - 40 (f). I visited
>family in Omaha during December, ice and snow on the ground, temp
>about 15 (f).
>
>Sucks to be in NE, for sure.
>
>By the way, have any readers here done BRAN?
>
>http://www.bran-inc.org/
I love Northeast. Especially in the late summer/early fall. Have
not done the BRAN and I probably won't. Too hard for me to get off of
work. Ah well...maybe another year.

And since someone has been quoted here all I can say is that they must
NOT have actually read the message. Weather here has been crappy and
I cannot understand why the comment about living the good life here.

SHUT THE **** UP. I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU. YOU ARE ON MY PLONK
LIST AS I HAVE MENTIONED REPEATEDLY IN THE PAST. I DO NOT MENTION
YOUR NAME AND YOU SHOULD NOT MENTION MINE IN ANY RESPONSES.

Your lack of respect for others has been proven time and again by your
OWN stupid posts.

As stated the ONLY time I see your posts is when someone responds with
them in quotes. In the future do NOT use my name as I don't use
yours.
__o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
_`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
(_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

[Edward Dolan]

"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5adaf8d4-cf98-404b-8bbd-df825efc0c3b@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
WHICH HE IS RESPONDING! WHAT AN IDIOT!

> AH NO ed.
>
> I am now under attack from Cape Canaveral for writing people here are
> interested in ******* smelling. Posts adverting watchs maybe related
> as my truck is under attack. A prior attack, of which the people of
> Florida are proud of, was wiping acid on my 544's radiator. The people
> here brag and support the WTC terrorism. After that say what, right?
> Butbutbut what is true is true. The area sports several mobile
> loudspeaker systems hearable over 1 mile or more, occasionally a
> ship's hailer system is used.
> One loudspeaker topic is ******* smelling. The truck or car carrying
> the system will cruise the area advising the public, this is at
> 150-180 db, on whose ******* smells and whose ******* doesn't smell:
> 24 hours a day. For example, if you speak to a woman, a loudspeaker
> will show up and begin advising you on the woman's genital hygiene.
> As many locals work at KSC, I assume preoccupation with *******
> smelling is somehow related to rocketry.
> Top that in Minneapolis ?

Datakoll, the South is full of human trash and other assorted assholes and
always has been. Until fairly recently no civilized person could even live
in the South.

I suggest you move further south to South Florida where you will find mainly
Snow Birds like yourself. I think also that you would probably like the West
Coast of Florida better than the East Coast. How about the area around Fort
Myers for instance?

The very best thing about the Upper Midwest is that folks will leave you
alone and you can lead any kind of life you want provided it is not a
criminal life. This suits eccentrics like me. Folks leave me alone and I
leave them alone. What could be better?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Jeff]

Chalo wrote:
> Harry Brogan wrote:
>> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>
>> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>> any kind right now.
>
> On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
> got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.
>
> I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
> inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
> Africa, you know.
>
> Chalo
>
Some of us would consider 95F to be inhospitable.

When I lived in Dallas (TX), I concluded that summer in Dallas was like
winter in Winnipeg. Seriously. Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
different, but my behaviour was the same.

I went to East Africa once. I could see why the ancestors left.

[Tom Sherman]

Chalo Colina wrote:
> Harry Brogan wrote:
>> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>
>> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>> any kind right now.
>
> On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
> got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.
>
> I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
> inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
> Africa, you know.
>
And the smart ones moved away to a more reasonable climate, such as
Great Britain. The climate there must be responsible for all the great
British inventors, scientists and writers.

The only parts of Texas I could stand to live in year around are the low
humidity areas.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Edward Dolan]

"Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
news:aoupt3554bfebch8sbpu9hoockss7poqtu@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT), burkley@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mar 13, 8:54 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>> "Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:kqvht3dpm779197uept29shu25fp7mlmgu@4ax.com...
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> > Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>>> > part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>>> > getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>>
>>> > What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>>> > items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>>> > any kind right now.
>>>
>>> > I have washed my ride a number of times already to keep the salt at
>>> > bay. Hopefully that will work. But I can't wait until the temps are
>>> > above freezing and actually STAY that way!!!!!
>>>
>>> Jesus Christ Almighty - Harry is leading the good life there in Lincoln,
>>> Nebraska! It sounds like a paradise to me. Hells Bells, I may even move
>>> down
>>> there so I can partake of Harry's exciting life in the Heartland!
>>>
>>> But what good is summer I ask you when winter shall soon return. The
>>> summers
>>> go by like Tom Sherman on his low-rider, but the winters slog along like
>>> Harry on his clunker trike. Yup, 9 long months of winter and 3 short
>>> months
>>> of summer. That is Nebraska - and Minnesota is even worse! **** the
>>> Upper
>>> Midwest all the way to Hell and back! NOW is the winter of my
>>> discontent.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>Lincoln NE, yes indeed. I grew up in Omaha, and now reside in Rhode
>>Island. In RI, our winters tend to be around 30 - 40 (f). I visited
>>family in Omaha during December, ice and snow on the ground, temp
>>about 15 (f).
>>
>>Sucks to be in NE, for sure.
>>
>>By the way, have any readers here done BRAN?
>>
>>http://www.bran-inc.org/
> I love Northeast. Especially in the late summer/early fall. Have
> not done the BRAN and I probably won't. Too hard for me to get off of
> work. Ah well...maybe another year.
>
> And since someone has been quoted here all I can say is that they must
> NOT have actually read the message. Weather here has been crappy and
> I cannot understand why the comment about living the good life here.
>
> SHUT THE **** UP. I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU. YOU ARE ON MY PLONK
> LIST AS I HAVE MENTIONED REPEATEDLY IN THE PAST. I DO NOT MENTION
> YOUR NAME AND YOU SHOULD NOT MENTION MINE IN ANY RESPONSES.
>
> Your lack of respect for others has been proven time and again by your
> OWN stupid posts.
>
> As stated the ONLY time I see your posts is when someone responds with
> them in quotes. In the future do NOT use my name as I don't use
> yours.

If and when you post a message to Usenet it is fair game for anyone reading
it. My comments are never directed to you as I consider you a blockhead. I
would sooner talk to a brick wall than you. My comments are directed to
others who are more intelligent and who will appreciate a Great Genius like
ME!

If you only want to communicate with a select few, I suggest email. No one
gives a hoot what you do there. But when you are on Usenet others will
comment. Get used to it or else get off of Usenet. Jeez, why do I always
have to explain the most simple things!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[datakoll]

WEATHER IS CRITICAL.
Florida's endless summer promotes youth and health. Also as was
written: a plugged up toliet.
Middle school kids burst with health in January.
As for the midwest? Fort Myers boasts a large midwest, or at least
Ohioan population. They're polite, somewhat reserved, excellent
drivers, and dress funny in pastels. Their body language is wierd.
Almost like they came from another planet. Somewhat humorless, stunned
by the tropical climate.
With a NE background, I can tell one joke, get a long puzzled look.
Here on the west side highway, I can tell the same joke and get a
laugh.
Those midwest rides are all downwind, right?
I'm swimming on Monday.

again

Green is flood


http://www.nws.noaa.gov/


yellow is kayakville


http://www.nws.noaa.gov/ahps/


and yes, down 50% from last look I took-30 days ago?


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SNOW/


butbutbut not completely accurate


http://www.aspensnowmass.com/onmountain/reports/default.cfm


http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7943303

[Edward Dolan]

"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7a655893-be89-4478-9329-e15b0d1b6e42@n75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
WHICH HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!

> WEATHER IS CRITICAL.
> Florida's endless summer promotes youth and health. Also as was
> written: a plugged up toliet.
> Middle school kids burst with health in January.
> As for the midwest? Fort Myers boasts a large midwest, or at least
> Ohioan population. They're polite, somewhat reserved, excellent
> drivers, and dress funny in pastels. Their body language is wierd.
> Almost like they came from another planet. Somewhat humorless, stunned
> by the tropical climate.
> With a NE background, I can tell one joke, get a long puzzled look.
> Here on the west side highway, I can tell the same joke and get a
> laugh.
> Those midwest rides are all downwind, right?
> I'm swimming on Monday.
[...]

Datakoll is a moron and not worth bothering with. He has Usenet confused
with email. He belongs in a place like Key West which is just chock full of
dumb clowns like him.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Sherman]

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> WEATHER IS CRITICAL.
>
INDEED!

> As for the midwest? Fort Myers boasts a large midwest, or at least
> Ohioan population. They're polite, somewhat reserved, excellent
> drivers, and dress funny in pastels. Their body language is wierd.
> Almost like they came from another planet. Somewhat humorless, stunned
> by the tropical climate....

Probably people of dour Scandinavian descent (lots of them in the Upper
Midwest).

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Tom Keats]

In article <7a655893-be89-4478-9329-e15b0d1b6e42@n75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> writes:

> Those midwest rides are all downwind, right?

From what I've been hearing on this NG, all midwest
rides are upwind, no matter what direction in which
one rides. Maybe it's a Tornado Alley thing.

> I'm swimming on Monday.

Somethin' wrong with yer bike?

Anyways, watch out for the 'gators. At least maybe
take along a flat repair kit. And a 2-foot length
of broom-handle. Maybe two of 'em fer just in case.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[datakoll]

TEXAS is brutal. Late Septmember,I came down the hill into ? Houston,
drove into the rest area, got a gallon of poisonous water, poured
water over myself, laydown on the grass to die.

HOWEVER, what happens over the long run, the skin surface loses fat
gaining A/C capillaries supplied by an increased capacity subdermal
blood supply supplied by an increased capacity everything and uroff to
greater Krebs Cycle efficencies.

AND NOW off course yawl been sittin' round on urbehinds for ? months.
So yagotta start all over again like last year.

[Chalo]

Jeff wrote:
>
> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
> different, but my behaviour was the same.

There's a significant difference.

In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.

In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.

Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
own, I guess.

Chalo

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff" <no_answer@pegguru.com> wrote in message
news:VPeDj.28122$f8.18391@newsfe23.lga...
> Chalo wrote:
[...]
>> On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
>> got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.
>>
>> I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
>> inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
>> Africa, you know.
>>
>> Chalo
>>
> Some of us would consider 95F to be inhospitable.
>
> When I lived in Dallas (TX), I concluded that summer in Dallas was like
> winter in Winnipeg. Seriously. Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little time
> as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from climate
> controlled building to climate controlled car to climate controlled
> building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little time as
> necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly) different, but
> my behaviour was the same.

You are a very indoors person to say the least. Why one would behave the
same in Dallas as in Winnipeg boggles the imagination. Such as you should be
condemned to live in Barrow, Alaska. There was once a freak on this
newsgroup (ARBR) who was from Barrow and he thought it was a paradise. I
mean, just how nuts can you get?

> I went to East Africa once. I could see why the ancestors left.

Nevertheless, that is where our species evolved. There was very little
further evolution once our ancestors left East Africa except for superficial
things like skin color, etc. Primates for the most part do not do at all
well out of the tropics. After all, we are not polar bears and never can be!

By the way, did you know that Winnipeg is the coldest large city on earth?
It exemplifies the Continental type of climate. Geography 101.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[vey]

datakoll wrote:
>
> TEXAS is brutal. Late Septmember,I came down the hill into ? Houston,
> drove into the rest area, got a gallon of poisonous water, poured
> water over myself, laydown on the grass to die.
>
> HOWEVER, what happens over the long run, the skin surface loses fat
> gaining A/C capillaries supplied by an increased capacity subdermal
> blood supply supplied by an increased capacity everything and uroff to
> greater Krebs Cycle efficencies.
>
> AND NOW off course yawl been sittin' round on urbehinds for ? months.
> So yagotta start all over again like last year.

What I use in Florida to keep cool:
http://www.50degree.com/

I can ride all over town without cracking a sweat, until . . . I get
into some A/C and then I am like a glass of iced tea.

I've been using this for about 4 years now. I get a few odd looks since
it looks like a bullet proof vest.

[Tom Sherman]

Eric Vey wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
>>
>> TEXAS is brutal. Late Septmember,I came down the hill into ? Houston,
>> drove into the rest area, got a gallon of poisonous water, poured
>> water over myself, laydown on the grass to die.
>>
>> HOWEVER, what happens over the long run, the skin surface loses fat
>> gaining A/C capillaries supplied by an increased capacity subdermal
>> blood supply supplied by an increased capacity everything and uroff to
>> greater Krebs Cycle efficencies.
>>
>> AND NOW off course yawl been sittin' round on urbehinds for ? months.
>> So yagotta start all over again like last year.
>
> What I use in Florida to keep cool:
> http://www.50degree.com/
>
> I can ride all over town without cracking a sweat, until . . . I get
> into some A/C and then I am like a glass of iced tea.
>
> I've been using this for about 4 years now. I get a few odd looks since
> it looks like a bullet proof vest.
>
Cool! (pun intended).

I may have to get one of the vests and head coolers for our miserably
hot Upper Midwestern summers.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7a655893-be89-4478-9329-e15b0d1b6e42@n75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
> WHICH HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!
>
>> WEATHER IS CRITICAL.
>> Florida's endless summer promotes youth and health. Also as was
>> written: a plugged up toliet.
>> Middle school kids burst with health in January.
>> As for the midwest? Fort Myers boasts a large midwest, or at least
>> Ohioan population. They're polite, somewhat reserved, excellent
>> drivers, and dress funny in pastels. Their body language is wierd.
>> Almost like they came from another planet. Somewhat humorless, stunned
>> by the tropical climate.
>> With a NE background, I can tell one joke, get a long puzzled look.
>> Here on the west side highway, I can tell the same joke and get a
>> laugh.
>> Those midwest rides are all downwind, right?
>> I'm swimming on Monday.
> [...]
>
> Datakoll is a moron and not worth bothering with. He has Usenet confused
> with email. He belongs in a place like Key West which is just chock full of
> dumb clowns like him.
>
Nonsense! gene is a genius - he is just on a different wavelength from
the rest of us.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Great Ford!
yawl smelling your clivus? pew!
a unique event
or transient actionable intelligence?
unclog!” - gene daniels

[Harry Brogan]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
<chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeff wrote:
>>
>> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
>> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
>> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
>> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
>> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
>> different, but my behaviour was the same.
>
>There's a significant difference.
>
>In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
>your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
>allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
>conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
>the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.
>
>In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
>suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.
>
>Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
>own, I guess.
>
>Chalo


Chalo, you are right. If you are willing to brave the heat and the
cold you will eventually get used to it. At least enough to survive.
However, there ARE those days where it's not a great idea to venture
out. Whether that be too hot or too cold. There are those very few
days that I don't venture out.

With that said. I'll throw in that there is a professor here at the
University who has not missed a day of teaching in more than 30 years.
He rides his bike in the roughest weather that we have. I have to say
that one has to be impressed with this as he's the better part of 80
and looks about 60. The newspaper here does a story on him every so
often.
__o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
_`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
(_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

[datakoll]

bip

[Edward Dolan]

"Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
news:58dst350t3f2b1lbn367srpvs3si7a9tin@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
> <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
>>> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
>>> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
>>> different, but my behaviour was the same.
>>
>>There's a significant difference.
>>
>>In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
>>your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
>>allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
>>conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
>>the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.
>>
>>In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
>>suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.
>>
>>Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
>>own, I guess.
>>
>>Chalo
>
>
> Chalo, you are right. If you are willing to brave the heat and the
> cold you will eventually get used to it. At least enough to survive.
> However, there ARE those days where it's not a great idea to venture
> out. Whether that be too hot or too cold. There are those very few
> days that I don't venture out.
>
> With that said. I'll throw in that there is a professor here at the
> University who has not missed a day of teaching in more than 30 years.
> He rides his bike in the roughest weather that we have. I have to say
> that one has to be impressed with this as he's the better part of 80
> and looks about 60. The newspaper here does a story on him every so
> often.

It is impossible to enjoy the out of doors unless the temperature is at
least in the 20's, preferably the 30's. But if the wind is blowing it has
got to be in the 40's. All those pictures of kids playing in the snow is
pure fantasy. You can only do that if it is fairly warm. I have always hated
the cold and the snow all of my life. There is no one in this world who
hates Minnesota more than I do!

The Scandinavians have a saying that there is no such thing as bad weather,
only inadequate clothing. But who wants to bundle up like an Eskimo just to
venture out of doors. You can have Minnesota, I'll take Panama!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Jeff]

Harry Brogan wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
> <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
>>> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
>>> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
>>> different, but my behaviour was the same.
>> There's a significant difference.
>>
>> In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
>> your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
>> allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
>> conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
>> the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.
>>
>> In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
>> suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.
>>
>> Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
>> own, I guess.
>>
>> Chalo
>
>
> Chalo, you are right. If you are willing to brave the heat and the
> cold you will eventually get used to it. At least enough to survive.
> However, there ARE those days where it's not a great idea to venture
> out. Whether that be too hot or too cold. There are those very few
> days that I don't venture out.
>
> With that said. I'll throw in that there is a professor here at the
> University who has not missed a day of teaching in more than 30 years.
> He rides his bike in the roughest weather that we have. I have to say
> that one has to be impressed with this as he's the better part of 80
> and looks about 60. The newspaper here does a story on him every so
> often.
> __o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
> _`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
> (_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

Dunno. I walked to work (3.5KM) every day this winter. Usually arrived
sweating (I dressed for the weather). I saw folks cycle to work almost
every day this winter (I would have but the fork on my bike wasn't up to
it - however, just picked up a new Kona Dew Plus this evening - biking
to work tomorrow - yay!).

I happily run out doors as long as the temperature is above -25C (-13F).
I hate going out doors when the temperature is above +25C (77F) - way
too hot for a civilized human being.

[datakoll]

Dolan on WW1 and 2

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Harry Brogan" <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote in message
> news:58dst350t3f2b1lbn367srpvs3si7a9tin@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
>> <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
>>>> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>>> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>>> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
>>>> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>>> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>>> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
>>>> different, but my behaviour was the same.
>>> There's a significant difference.
>>>
>>> In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
>>> your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
>>> allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
>>> conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
>>> the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.
>>>
>>> In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
>>> suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.
>>>
>>> Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
>>> own, I guess.
>>>
>>> Chalo
>>
>> Chalo, you are right. If you are willing to brave the heat and the
>> cold you will eventually get used to it. At least enough to survive.
>> However, there ARE those days where it's not a great idea to venture
>> out. Whether that be too hot or too cold. There are those very few
>> days that I don't venture out.
>>
>> With that said. I'll throw in that there is a professor here at the
>> University who has not missed a day of teaching in more than 30 years.
>> He rides his bike in the roughest weather that we have. I have to say
>> that one has to be impressed with this as he's the better part of 80
>> and looks about 60. The newspaper here does a story on him every so
>> often.
>
> It is impossible to enjoy the out of doors unless the temperature is at
> least in the 20's, preferably the 30's. But if the wind is blowing it has
> got to be in the 40's. All those pictures of kids playing in the snow is
> pure fantasy. You can only do that if it is fairly warm. I have always hated
> the cold and the snow all of my life. There is no one in this world who
> hates Minnesota more than I do!
>
I used to ride my bicycle to school every day in Wisconsin, and only
wore a toque, jeans, sweatshirt and windbreaker in winter, as anything
more was too hot.

> The Scandinavians have a saying that there is no such thing as bad weather,
> only inadequate clothing. But who wants to bundle up like an Eskimo just to
> venture out of doors. You can have Minnesota, I'll take Panama!
>
We Scandinavians know how to dress for the winter. Duh!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff" <no_answer@pegguru.com> wrote in message
news:rZDDj.481$KJ1.222@newsfe19.lga...
[...]
> Dunno. I walked to work (3.5KM) every day this winter. Usually arrived
> sweating (I dressed for the weather). I saw folks cycle to work almost
> every day this winter (I would have but the fork on my bike wasn't up to
> it - however, just picked up a new Kona Dew Plus this evening - biking to
> work tomorrow - yay!).
>
> I happily run out doors as long as the temperature is above -25C (-13F). I
> hate going out doors when the temperature is above +25C (77F) - way too
> hot for a civilized human being.

Here is a bozo who belongs in Barrow, Alaska. The polar bears can chase him
while he runs about the town.

What's with all this KM and C crap? Only jerks like TS write that
gobbledygook.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Harry Brogan]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:24:49 -0500, Jeff <no_answer@pegguru.com>
wrote:

>Harry Brogan wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
>> <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
>>>> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>>> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>>> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
>>>> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>>> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>>> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
>>>> different, but my behaviour was the same.
>>> There's a significant difference.
>>>
>>> In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
>>> your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
>>> allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
>>> conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
>>> the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.
>>>
>>> In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
>>> suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.
>>>
>>> Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
>>> own, I guess.
>>>
>>> Chalo
>>
>>
>> Chalo, you are right. If you are willing to brave the heat and the
>> cold you will eventually get used to it. At least enough to survive.
>> However, there ARE those days where it's not a great idea to venture
>> out. Whether that be too hot or too cold. There are those very few
>> days that I don't venture out.
>>
>> With that said. I'll throw in that there is a professor here at the
>> University who has not missed a day of teaching in more than 30 years.
>> He rides his bike in the roughest weather that we have. I have to say
>> that one has to be impressed with this as he's the better part of 80
>> and looks about 60. The newspaper here does a story on him every so
>> often.
>> __o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
>> _`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
>> (_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---
>
>Dunno. I walked to work (3.5KM) every day this winter. Usually arrived
>sweating (I dressed for the weather). I saw folks cycle to work almost
>every day this winter (I would have but the fork on my bike wasn't up to
>it - however, just picked up a new Kona Dew Plus this evening - biking
>to work tomorrow - yay!).
>
>I happily run out doors as long as the temperature is above -25C (-13F).
> I hate going out doors when the temperature is above +25C (77F) - way
>too hot for a civilized human being.


There have only been a couple of days when I couldn't get out.
Generally when the snow was just too damn deep and the plows had not
made their runs. 8 inches or better of the white stuff makes for some
crappy riding.

KUDOS to you on the purchase of the new Kona. That is a very nice
ride. Looks like you are getting some decent components if you went
with the stock model. Or did you upgrade anything????


__o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
_`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
(_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Jeff" <no_answer@pegguru.com> wrote in message
> news:rZDDj.481$KJ1.222@newsfe19.lga...
> [...]
>> Dunno. I walked to work (3.5KM) every day this winter. Usually arrived
>> sweating (I dressed for the weather). I saw folks cycle to work almost
>> every day this winter (I would have but the fork on my bike wasn't up to
>> it - however, just picked up a new Kona Dew Plus this evening - biking to
>> work tomorrow - yay!).
>>
>> I happily run out doors as long as the temperature is above -25C (-13F). I
>> hate going out doors when the temperature is above +25C (77F) - way too
>> hot for a civilized human being.
>
> Here is a bozo who belongs in Barrow, Alaska. The polar bears can chase him
> while he runs about the town.
>
Denmark in the summer is a wonderful place, since 25°C is a hot day.

> What's with all this KM and C crap? Only jerks like TS write that
> gobbledygook.

Long live Le Système International d'Unités!

P.S. The abbreviation of kilometer is "km", not "KM".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Jeff]

Harry Brogan wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:24:49 -0500, Jeff <no_answer@pegguru.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Harry Brogan wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:45:32 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
>>> <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>> Consider: in Winnipeg, in the winter I
>>>>> go from climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>>>> controlled building, dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>>>> time as necessary out doors. In Dallas, in the summer I went from
>>>>> climate controlled building to climate controlled car to climate
>>>>> controlled building, (un)dressing for the weather and spending as little
>>>>> time as necessary out doors. Yes, the temperatures were (wildly)
>>>>> different, but my behaviour was the same.
>>>> There's a significant difference.
>>>>
>>>> In Dallas, if you make brave and spend most of your time in the heat,
>>>> your body will acclimate nicely-- becoming stronger and cleaner and
>>>> allowing you to be comfortable outdoors. I don't run my air
>>>> conditioning until the temperatures rise deep into the 100s or else
>>>> the humidity becomes so high that my papers get limp and soggy.
>>>>
>>>> In Winnipeg, if you wholeheartedly subject yourself to the cold, you
>>>> suffer chilblains, frostbite and/or death.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm... a healthier body, or disabling injury and death? To each his
>>>> own, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Chalo
>>>
>>> Chalo, you are right. If you are willing to brave the heat and the
>>> cold you will eventually get used to it. At least enough to survive.
>>> However, there ARE those days where it's not a great idea to venture
>>> out. Whether that be too hot or too cold. There are those very few
>>> days that I don't venture out.
>>>
>>> With that said. I'll throw in that there is a professor here at the
>>> University who has not missed a day of teaching in more than 30 years.
>>> He rides his bike in the roughest weather that we have. I have to say
>>> that one has to be impressed with this as he's the better part of 80
>>> and looks about 60. The newspaper here does a story on him every so
>>> often.
>>> __o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
>>> _`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
>>> (_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---
>> Dunno. I walked to work (3.5KM) every day this winter. Usually arrived
>> sweating (I dressed for the weather). I saw folks cycle to work almost
>> every day this winter (I would have but the fork on my bike wasn't up to
>> it - however, just picked up a new Kona Dew Plus this evening - biking
>> to work tomorrow - yay!).
>>
>> I happily run out doors as long as the temperature is above -25C (-13F).
>> I hate going out doors when the temperature is above +25C (77F) - way
>> too hot for a civilized human being.
>
>
> There have only been a couple of days when I couldn't get out.
> Generally when the snow was just too damn deep and the plows had not
> made their runs. 8 inches or better of the white stuff makes for some
> crappy riding.
>
> KUDOS to you on the purchase of the new Kona. That is a very nice
> ride. Looks like you are getting some decent components if you went
> with the stock model. Or did you upgrade anything????
>
>
> __o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
> _`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
> (_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---
Added a rack and fenders. That's all the upgrades for now. Needs to
get some panniers and may upgrade my lighting system (Winnipeg is very
well lit, so lights really are only needed to make me visible to other
people).

[Zoot Katz]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:44:53 -0500, Jeff <no_answer@pegguru.com>
wrote:

>> KUDOS to you on the purchase of the new Kona. That is a very nice
>> ride. Looks like you are getting some decent components if you went
>> with the stock model. Or did you upgrade anything????
>>
>
>Added a rack and fenders. That's all the upgrades for now. Needs to
>get some panniers and may upgrade my lighting system (Winnipeg is very
>well lit, so lights really are only needed to make me visible to other
>people).

Yeah, that looks like a thoughtfully equipped basic bike on which to
build a commuter.
Be sure to use some of your budget for good locks.
--
zk

[datakoll]

oh carl, rub a hot dog(Oscar) on the nab's car roof

water's a comin' http://www.weather.gov/ahps/
click the little purple square away up ahyonder on the upper left

[DanKMTB@gmail.com]

On Mar 18, 9:29 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Mar 13, 3:22 am, Harry Brogan
>
> <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
>
> Dear Harry,
>
> The snow from Sunday's storm has all melted.
>
> Today I noticed the first turkey vultures of spring, Pueblo's answer
> to the swallows of San Capistrano. After soaring to catch my eye, they
> obligingly perched and posed in their favorite blue spruce:
>
> http://i30.tinypic.com/xdv6td.jpg
>
> http://i27.tinypic.com/2nqa63p.jpg
>
> http://i28.tinypic.com/2eoutqp.jpg
>
> http://i27.tinypic.com/iyempg.jpg
>
> An old photo of Hurlly, a captive-bred turkey vulture. Hurlly used to
> share the bike path until the authorities decided that he'd do better
> back in captivity:
>
> http://i25.tinypic.com/2dr5t6o.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

Nice pictures. I enjoy seeing all the stuff you come across on your
rides. I should really start riding with a camera. I often forego
the bag, however, and my current camera is too big for pockets.

What inspired the recapturing of Hurlly? That's a shame.

The snow is melting here as well. I did the first 10 or so miles of
my ride home off-road, although the old tracks and rail trail in
progress were a bit soft in many spots. I too noticed the birds and
small furry woodland creatures were out in force, it was quite nice.
I spent some time sitting on a granite block at a bridge watching the
squirrels play, the first time I've done that this year. I almost
jumped out of my shoes when a bass jumped right behind me - it was a
big one! I didn't realize there was enough water there for stripers
to be around, and they make quite the splash when you're watching the
squirrels, which are the only sound to be heard.

[datakoll]

bass are hungry, fed bass squirrels

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:23:00 -0700 (PDT), "DanKMTB@gmail.com"
<DanKMTB@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 18, 9:29 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Mar 13, 3:22 am, Harry Brogan
>>
>> <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Harry,
>>
>> The snow from Sunday's storm has all melted.
>>
>> Today I noticed the first turkey vultures of spring, Pueblo's answer
>> to the swallows of San Capistrano. After soaring to catch my eye, they
>> obligingly perched and posed in their favorite blue spruce:
>>
>> http://i30.tinypic.com/xdv6td.jpg
>>
>> http://i27.tinypic.com/2nqa63p.jpg
>>
>> http://i28.tinypic.com/2eoutqp.jpg
>>
>> http://i27.tinypic.com/iyempg.jpg
>>
>> An old photo of Hurlly, a captive-bred turkey vulture. Hurlly used to
>> share the bike path until the authorities decided that he'd do better
>> back in captivity:
>>
>> http://i25.tinypic.com/2dr5t6o.jpg
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Nice pictures. I enjoy seeing all the stuff you come across on your
>rides. I should really start riding with a camera. I often forego
>the bag, however, and my current camera is too big for pockets.
>
>What inspired the recapturing of Hurlly? That's a shame.
>
>The snow is melting here as well. I did the first 10 or so miles of
>my ride home off-road, although the old tracks and rail trail in
>progress were a bit soft in many spots. I too noticed the birds and
>small furry woodland creatures were out in force, it was quite nice.
>I spent some time sitting on a granite block at a bridge watching the
>squirrels play, the first time I've done that this year. I almost
>jumped out of my shoes when a bass jumped right behind me - it was a
>big one! I didn't realize there was enough water there for stripers
>to be around, and they make quite the splash when you're watching the
>squirrels, which are the only sound to be heard.

Dear Dan,

WalMart had a remarkably good $6 waist bag, big enough to handle most
cameras, pocket or bigger:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2nl68td.jpg

If it's no longer available, just about any mini waist-bag works fine.

Hurlly was raised in captivity at the raptor center on a bluff above
the bike path. When he was released, he assumed that the nice people
on the path would give him dead squirrels and other tasty things to
eat, so he stayed on the ground and stuck to the bike path, where he
imitated a two-foot tall carrion-eating pigeon in a Charles Addams
cartoon instead of soaring off to join the other turkey vultures.

Hurlly was friendly, but sooner or later some idiot would have killed
him, so he was recaptured (rather easily) for his own protection. The
raptor center has a several permanent guests who, for one reason or
another, wouldn't last long in the wild.

As for splashes disturbing the peaceful scenery, a friend was once
quite upset by a huge splash at the reservoir. He thought that someone
on the bluffs above us must have thrown a big rock, so he was quite
angry.

The splash startled me, too, but I'd been startled before, so I told
my friend that if we watched for a minute or two, the rock would
re-surface somewhere nearby and start swimming around again, ready to
slap its tail again to warn other rocks.

Here's a rock, swimming to the right and arching its back, a moment
before it made a gigantic warning splash:
http://i31.tinypic.com/2s1ani9.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/25fm1yp.jpg

A moment after the splash:
http://i30.tinypic.com/903g5z.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Tom Sherman]

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
> bass are hungry, fed bass squirrels
>
Alligators are hungry, fed alligators tourists.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Zoot Katz]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:01:40 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>> WEATHER IS CRITICAL.
>>
>INDEED!

bulldadda. People are critical of the weather.

The weather is largely indifferent.
--
zk

[Harry Brogan]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:06:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Chalo Colina wrote:
>> Harry Brogan wrote:
>>> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>>> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>>> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>>
>>> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>>> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>>> any kind right now.
>>
>> On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
>> got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.
>>
>> I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
>> inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
>> Africa, you know.
>>
>And the smart ones moved away to a more reasonable climate, such as
>Great Britain. The climate there must be responsible for all the great
>British inventors, scientists and writers.
>
>The only parts of Texas I could stand to live in year around are the low
>humidity areas.


There are low humidity areas in Texas????.....hmmmmmmm


__o | Every time I see an adult on a bicycle....
_`\(,_ | I no longer despair for the human race.
(_)/ (_) | ---H.G. Wells---

[vey]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> Eric Vey wrote:
>> datakoll wrote:
>>>
>>> TEXAS is brutal. Late Septmember,I came down the hill into ? Houston,
>>> drove into the rest area, got a gallon of poisonous water, poured
>>> water over myself, laydown on the grass to die.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, what happens over the long run, the skin surface loses fat
>>> gaining A/C capillaries supplied by an increased capacity subdermal
>>> blood supply supplied by an increased capacity everything and uroff to
>>> greater Krebs Cycle efficencies.
>>>
>>> AND NOW off course yawl been sittin' round on urbehinds for ? months.
>>> So yagotta start all over again like last year.
>>
>> What I use in Florida to keep cool:
>> http://www.50degree.com/
>>
>> I can ride all over town without cracking a sweat, until . . . I get
>> into some A/C and then I am like a glass of iced tea.
>>
>> I've been using this for about 4 years now. I get a few odd looks
>> since it looks like a bullet proof vest.
>>
> Cool! (pun intended).
>
> I may have to get one of the vests and head coolers for our miserably
> hot Upper Midwestern summers.
>

Ho! Somebody finally noticed my post! I dunno about the head thing. The
point of the front and back packs in the vest is to keep the heart and
other innards cool so cooled blood is pumped to the extremities.

It has this label sewn in the front that says "Cool Vest" and that cuts
down on the questions. I wear it even when I am not out cycling if I get
hot and I wore it into a restaurant once. Turns out that there was a
club of Multiple Sclerosis sufferers meeting there and they kept coming
up to the table asking me how long I had "it." Took me a bit to
determine what "it" was.

I had to explain that I just got hot and sweat a lot (wow, do I sweat)
and needed something to keep me comfortable in this gawd awful climate.

Florida was one of the least populated states until air conditioning was
introduced.

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:frs6ql$o68$5@registered.motzarella.org...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> It is impossible to enjoy the out of doors unless the temperature is at
>> least in the 20's, preferably the 30's. But if the wind is blowing it has
>> got to be in the 40's. All those pictures of kids playing in the snow is
>> pure fantasy. You can only do that if it is fairly warm. I have always
>> hated the cold and the snow all of my life. There is no one in this world
>> who hates Minnesota more than I do!
>>
> I used to ride my bicycle to school every day in Wisconsin, and only wore
> a toque, jeans, sweatshirt and windbreaker in winter, as anything more was
> too hot.

Yeah, I had a paper route when I was a kid and never knew how to dress for
the weather either. I would come back from my route with frozen feet, a
really painful experience. I can still remember hopping about trying to
restore some circulation.

>> The Scandinavians have a saying that there is no such thing as bad
>> weather, only inadequate clothing. But who wants to bundle up like an
>> Eskimo just to venture out of doors. You can have Minnesota, I'll take
>> Panama!
>>
> We Scandinavians know how to dress for the winter. Duh!

Scandinavians may very well know how to dress for winter, but not those
living in the US. The folks hereabouts regardless of their ancestry do not
have a clue about how to dress for winter. I see that all the time as they
run from the house to the car to the store without any head covering,
scarves or mittens - or anything else that is sensible to wear when it is
cold. Americans have become as dumb as posts about how to dress for cold
weather.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tom Sherman]

Harry Brogan wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:06:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Chalo Colina wrote:
>>> Harry Brogan wrote:
>>>> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
>>>> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
>>>> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
>>>>
>>>> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
>>>> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
>>>> any kind right now.
>>> On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
>>> got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.
>>>
>>> I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
>>> inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
>>> Africa, you know.
>>>
>> And the smart ones moved away to a more reasonable climate, such as
>> Great Britain. The climate there must be responsible for all the great
>> British inventors, scientists and writers.
>>
>> The only parts of Texas I could stand to live in year around are the low
>> humidity areas.
>
>
> There are low humidity areas in Texas????.....hmmmmmmm
>
The western part of the state is quite dry. Dallas-Fort Worth was not
bad in the 1980's when I worked outside for a summer - actually it was
about 30 miles outside of the urban area, so there would not have had
unnaturally high humidity from idiots [1] watering their lawns.

Houston sounds like one of the most miserable places on earth during the
summer.

[1] Sorry, but people in arid to semi-arid climates should not expect to
have something that resembles a golf course green in their yard.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Michael Press]

In article <3l73u3pl2lqlr77fdgpuolhplrkcpq4ei0@4ax.com>,
Harry Brogan <hbrogan57_AT_NOSPAM_DOT_YAHOO_DOT_COM> wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:06:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Chalo Colina wrote:
> >> Harry Brogan wrote:
> >>> Yes....it's s sure sign of spring. The snow here has, for the most
> >>> part, already melted away. Save for the shady areas. We are still
> >>> getting the cool nights and patches of ice occasionally.
> >>>
> >>> What melt-off we now have is LOADED with sand, salt and other misc.
> >>> items that make it a pain in the old behind to go through a puddle of
> >>> any kind right now.
> >>
> >> On Friday the 14th we saw 95 F here in Austin. Today-- Saturday-- we
> >> got 84 F. Not a bad March weekend all in all.
> >>
> >> I can't reckon why y'all would live someplace that stayed so
> >> inhospitable for so much of the year. Human beings came from East
> >> Africa, you know.
> >>
> >And the smart ones moved away to a more reasonable climate, such as
> >Great Britain. The climate there must be responsible for all the great
> >British inventors, scientists and writers.
> >
> >The only parts of Texas I could s