Quills: angle of the dangle?

[Mike Rocket J Squirrel]

When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*

"26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"

Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?

===========
* "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

[Jay Beattie]

On Mar 27, 4:30*pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
<j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
> When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
>
> "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
>
> Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
> overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
> of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
> sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
>
> ===========
> * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
> every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
> Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
> --
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
to be used in a 1" steerer. In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
old timers. I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. If you need one of those, let me
know. I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Mar 27, 4:30*pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
<j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
> When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
>
> "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
>
> Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
> overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
> of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
> sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
>
> ===========
> * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
> every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
> Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
> --
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

Dear Mike,

A) Quill angle varies:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2d8qgck.jpg

B) "Thusly" is a shy adverbial beast, perhapsly because it knows that
"thereforely" is lurking out there and hoping for an excuse. But
maybely it's ashamed of its needless tail-ly.

:-)

Cheers,

Carlly Fogelly

[Mike Rocket J Squirrel]

On 3/27/2008 6:15 PM Jay Beattie wrote:

> On Mar 27, 4:30 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
> <j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
>> When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
>>
>> "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
>>
>> Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
>> overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
>> of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
>> sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
>>
>> ===========
>> * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
>> every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
>> Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
>> --
>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>
> I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
> stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
> to be used in a 1" steerer. In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
> old timers. I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
> most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. If you need one of those, let me
> know. I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.

Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I don't
have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the handlebars too
low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and closer. So I
need to order a stem by the numbers.

--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

[Mike Rocket J Squirrel]

On 3/27/2008 6:30 PM carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:

> On Mar 27, 4:30 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
> <j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
>> When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
>>
>> "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
>>
>> Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
>> overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
>> of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
>> sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
>>
>> ===========
>> * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
>> every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
>> Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
>> --
>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> A) Quill angle varies:
>
> http://i32.tinypic.com/2d8qgck.jpg
>
> B) "Thusly" is a shy adverbial beast, perhapsly because it knows that
> "thereforely" is lurking out there and hoping for an excuse. But
> maybely it's ashamed of its needless tail-ly.
>

Take it up with Peen.


--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

[Jay Beattie]

On Mar 27, 10:02*pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
<j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/27/2008 6:15 PM Jay Beattie wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 27, 4:30 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
> > <j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
> >> When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
>
> >> "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
>
> >> Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
> >> overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
> >> of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
> >> sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
>
> >> ===========
> >> * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
> >> every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
> >> Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
> >> --
> >> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>
> > I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
> > stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
> > to be used in a 1" steerer. *In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
> > old timers. *I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
> > most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. *If you need one of those, let me
> > know. *I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.
>
> Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
> it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
> much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
> shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I don't
> have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the handlebars too
> low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and closer. So I
> need to order a stem by the numbers.

All you can do is measure from the top of the stem to the minimum
insertion line. The up-angle of the stem will not give you any rise.
-- Jay Beattie.

[SMS]

Mike Rocket J Squirrel wrote:

> Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
> it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
> much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
> shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I
> don't have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the
> handlebars too low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and
> closer. So I need to order a stem by the numbers.

There are still adjustable quill stems available.

"http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=SM4073"

As the angle goes down to zero, the height increases as well.

I especially like the adjustable quill stems for kid's bikes since as
they grow you want to adjust the height and reach. It's really a pain
with threadless headsets, though I saw three adjustable height
threadless stems at the Taipei bicycles show. Buy them at any bicycle
shop in Europe or Asia. Very nice.

[Mike Rocket J Squirrel]

On 3/28/2008 7:22 AM Jay Beattie wrote:

> On Mar 27, 10:02 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
> <j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/27/2008 6:15 PM Jay Beattie wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 4:30 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel
>>> <j.michael.elli...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> When a manufacturer, like Nitto, spec's a road quill thusly:*
>>>> "26.0 130mm 72 deg 145mm 1" road quill"
>>>> Does this mean that it will hold a 26.0mm handlebar, is 130mm long (tall)
>>>> overall, will be level if put into a 72 deg head tube, that the centerline
>>>> of the handlebar will be 145mm forward of the centerline of the part that
>>>> sticks up, and it will fit your traditional 1'' road fork's steerer?
>>>> ===========
>>>> * "One seldom gets to use the word "thusly", therefore one should relish
>>>> every opportunity." -- Peen, Bosco K. Keen Observations Which No One Else
>>>> Finds Interesting. New York: Avery Fisher High, 1964.
>>>> --
>>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
>>> I think (subject to correction by others) that it is a standard road
>>> stem with a 26.0 clamp, a 130mm reach and a 145 mm quill extension --
>>> to be used in a 1" steerer. In other words, its a 130mm stem for us
>>> old timers. I have boxes of these things in the basement, although
>>> most of them are Cinelli 26.4 stems. If you need one of those, let me
>>> know. I will sell it to you at an inflated price. -- Jay Beattie.
>> Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
>> it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
>> much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
>> shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I don't
>> have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the handlebars too
>> low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and closer. So I
>> need to order a stem by the numbers.
>
> All you can do is measure from the top of the stem to the minimum
> insertion line. The up-angle of the stem will not give you any rise.
> -- Jay Beattie.

Got it -- you need the thing in your hands unless all stems have about the
same distance below the minimum insertion line (this is taking me back to
my bikes of the 80s).

--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

[Mike Rocket J Squirrel]

On 3/28/2008 8:32 AM SMS wrote:

> Mike Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
>
>> Such an offer. If one knows the quill extension (in this case, 145mm) is
>> it possible to determine rise? (I think that's the correct term -- how
>> much above the top of the head tube does the stem extend.) Other than
>> shoving it into the steerer tube and breaking out the old ruler -- I
>> don't have the frame yet, but I know the stock stem will put the
>> handlebars too low and too far out front. These days I like 'em high and
>> closer. So I need to order a stem by the numbers.
>
> There are still adjustable quill stems available.
>
> "http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=SM4073"
>
> As the angle goes down to zero, the height increases as well.

Thanks, SMS. That's one way I could go, fer shure! Simple and easy.

More complicated: that same shop also sells a "Steerer Adaptor 1 quill to
1-1/8 Thdl" (http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=SM1998) which could
let me use the Delta stemless riser that I am using on my 1-1/8''
threadless bikes and which works just peach for me.
(http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=12679&item=50-1188&slitrk=search&slisearch=true)

Seems like either way would work.

--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"