lickton's gets no more business from me! [Archive]

walter

12-31-1969, 08:00 PM

i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
alot, but whatever.

receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.

their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.

hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
and it takes me a minute or two.

clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
who knows nothing at all about customer service.

walter

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
From: Robert Lickton <licktons@voyager.net>

Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
actual
cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?

Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

Zoot Katz

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT), walter
<wamanning@gmail.com> wrote:

>i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
>alot, but whatever.
>
>receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
>turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>
>i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
>631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
>customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
>they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
>of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
>ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
>online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
>tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.
>
>their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
>rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
>because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>
>hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
>bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
>envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
>and it takes me a minute or two.
>
>clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
>if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
>basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
>who knows nothing at all about customer service.
>
>walter
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
>From: Robert Lickton <licktons@voyager.net>
>
>Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
>actual
>cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
>actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?
>
>Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
>you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
>competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
>won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
>shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
>than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

Curt + 1
Walther 0

Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
kitchen drawer. Put it in an envelope. Make sure it's not going to
pierce the packaging. Put my address on the envelope. Now take it to
the post office and pay the postage.

Tell me that you'll do that for a stranger for less than six bucks.
--
zk

Mike Jacoubowsky

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

>i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
> alot, but whatever.
>
> receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
> turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>
> i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
> 631% markup is ludicrous,

It's not a markup, it's a service charge.

My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they shouldn't be
charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of vegetables or whatever in it?
How is that different?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"walter" <wamanning@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:624d2fdd-7898-441b-b3b5-06c1b3c7c12b@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
> alot, but whatever.
>
> receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
> turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>
> i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
> 631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
> customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
> they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
> of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
> ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
> online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
> tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.
>
> their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
> rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
> because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>
> hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
> bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
> envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
> and it takes me a minute or two.
>
> clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
> if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
> basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
> who knows nothing at all about customer service.
>
> walter
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
> From: Robert Lickton <licktons@voyager.net>
>
> Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
> actual
> cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
> actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?
>
> Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
> you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
> competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
> won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
> shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
> than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

In article
<624d2fdd-7898-441b-b3b5-06c1b3c7c12b@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
walter <wamanning@gmail.com> wrote:

> clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
> if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on
> the basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a
> jackass who knows nothing at all about customer service.

Lickton's is a brick and mortar shop that has been in business for at
least 30+ years, since I first did business with them in 1978 and they
were well-known then. Bob Lickton is notorious cranky and, from a
customer service perspective, that's not a particularly good thing as
you point out. On the other hand, he's managed to be in business for a
long time and to develop a reputation as one of the better shops in the
Chicago area. So he's done something right.

I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
service than Lickton's.

As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
perspective.

Leo Lichtman

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

"walter" wrote: (clip) further try to justify that
> because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
> (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lemme guess. They didn't actually say that you were subsidizing Kryptonite
locks. They tried to point out that they have a minimum charge, which
results in less margin for handling on the heavier items (like Kryptonite
locks.)

It would be a good customer relations ploy to have a sub-minimum charge for
items that will fit in a first-class envelope.

Bruce Gilbert

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

"walter" <wamanning@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:624d2fdd-7898-441b-b3b5-06c1b3c7c12b@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
> alot, but whatever.
>
> receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
> turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>
> i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
> 631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
> customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
> they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
> of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
> ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
> online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
> tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.
>
> their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
> rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
> because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>
> hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
> bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
> envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
> and it takes me a minute or two.
>
> clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
> if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
> basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
> who knows nothing at all about customer service.
>
> walter
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
> From: Robert Lickton <licktons@voyager.net>
>
> Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
> actual
> cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
> actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?
>
> Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
> you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
> competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
> won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
> shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
> than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's

When informing customers about Shipping & Handling we often have a similar
problem, arise. We have a $5 minimum deal. I figured our worst case
scenario: only one item to get to the post office, with one small item in
the bag. If we send someone to do the post office run, it will probably take
45 minutes. The postage may only be a dollar, but what will it cost you for
the employee to drive up there, stand in line and then return? Many times we
actually have been called back by customers complaining about paying our $5
minimum when the actual postage on the package was over $6. My wife and I
sometimes have to sit back and laugh...

Lately though, the gas prices have sharply reduced the shipping costs
complaints.

Bruce

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

On Apr 21, 4:25 pm, walter <wamann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
> alot, but whatever.
>
> receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
> turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>
> i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
> 631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
> customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
> they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
> of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
> ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
> online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
> tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.
>
> their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
> rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
> because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>
> hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
> bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
> envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
> and it takes me a minute or two.
>
> clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
> if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
> basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
> who knows nothing at all about customer service.

Congratulations! You have succeeded in letting everyone know what a
putz you are. You write unpleasant emails complaining about a few
bucks, have a problem maintaining blood sugar levels, are entirely
clueless when it comes to business costs, don't know enough to ask
about shipping beforehand, and you take cheap shots at people on
Usenet. You should be very proud.

Go get a candy bar and shut up.

R

Bill Sornson

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

walter wrote:
> i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
> alot, but whatever.
>
> receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
> turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.

My complaint with Lickton's was that they showed a DA Triple 9-speed Front
Derailleur on their website when I was building up my new carbon frame. I
ordered it and then started assembling other parts I needed. About TEN DAYS
LATER I get a call (from a "Junior Lickton"?) telling me that they don't
have the item, but I could choose a 10-speed DA FD instead for about $60
more. No apology for taking so long; no apology for showing a product as in
stock when in fact they not only didn't have it but couldn't/wouldn't order
it. (Said it was discontinued and increasingly hard to find.)

I cancelled the order, and in about 15 seconds found one at a better price
(IIRC) that took maybe 3-4 days to arrive.

So I say screw 'em. Can't imagine ever darkening their in-box again.

BS (truth)

Gooserider

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

Fritz

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT), walter <wamanning@gmail.com>
wrote:

>i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
>alot, but whatever.
>
>receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
>turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>
>i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
>631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
>customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
>they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
>of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
>ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
>online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
>tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.
>
>their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
>rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
>because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>
>hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
>bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
>envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
>and it takes me a minute or two.
>
>clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
>if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
>basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
>who knows nothing at all about customer service.
>
>walter
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
>From: Robert Lickton <licktons@voyager.net>

Lickton's Rocks man.

I ordered some fenders for my bike and they not only shipped them FAST
they shipped them for a very reasonable rate. And the price of the
fenders were cheaper than anybody else! Great store!

I remember once I ordered some Decals for my Surly Pacer from another
well known online bike store (Alfred E. Bike) and I emailed them
before placing the order and asked if they would charge me half of the
shipping $6.00 because the order was so light and small. They
agreed with a smile. Another fine online store in my opinion. So
sometimes you have to ask.

Fritz

DennisTheBald

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

Only $6.00 for shipping, and I get to keep the box? Man, I'm gonna
start shopping licktons for all my mail order bike thingies, you
bet.
Of course I think I'll be doing mostly window shopping on-line and my
actual purchasing at the LBS, which may sound backwards to a lot of
you but it seems to work for me.

Tom Sherman

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

Zoot Katz wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT), walter
> <wamanning@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i ordered a single campy lock-ring from lickton's. shipping was $6.
>> alot, but whatever.
>>
>> receive the lock-ring a week or so later, strapped to the back of a
>> turtle...and the envelope indicated shipping cost was an actual $0.82.
>>
>> i understand shipping has labour costs, material costs, etc. but a
>> 631% markup is ludicrous, so wrote an unpleasant email to their
>> customer-support address saying i thought it was ludicrous and that if
>> they charge a premium for shipping, they should at least use some sort
>> of premium class of expedited shipping (i.e., postal priority, fedex
>> ground, ups). also told them that i'd share my experiences on the
>> online forums i frequent. clearly not the best tack to take, but i was
>> tired and grumpy after a +3hr ride as i hadnt eaten yet. but whatever.
>>
>> their reply was, ahem, perhaps even more unkind with a load of
>> rationalization and justification. and further try to justify that
>> because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>>
>> hmmm...lemme seee here: shipping a 20gram lockring...walk over to the
>> bin, pick it out, stuff envelope, print out invoice/label, stick to
>> envelop, print out postage, drop in mailbox. i do that all the time
>> and it takes me a minute or two.
>>
>> clearly, these guys are running a crappy shop and in over their heads
>> if they seriously believe a they can justify such a huge markup on the
>> basis of time and materials. and this douchebag "curt" is a jackass
>> who knows nothing at all about customer service.
>>
>> walter
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: We love you, too, Walter.
>> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:46:04 -0500
>> From: Robert Lickton <licktons@voyager.net>
>>
>> Get a grip, Walter. Did you know shipping is about more than the
>> actual
>> cost. It's about the time and materials, also? Did you know it
>> actually takes more time to process a small item than a large item?
>>
>> Shipping is not a profit center, at least it's not in this store. If
>> you compare our shipping rates you will find out we're pretty darn
>> competitive. Try this: buy a Kryptonite New York U-Lock from us. You
>> won't hear us crying that it costs us more to ship than we charge for
>> shipping. Sorry to offend you, but your rant was far more offensive
>> than my reply. --Curt at Lickton's
>
> Curt + 1
> Walther 0
>
> Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
> kitchen drawer. Put it in an envelope. Make sure it's not going to
> pierce the packaging. Put my address on the envelope. Now take it to
> the post office and pay the postage.
>
> Tell me that you'll do that for a stranger for less than six bucks.

Having performed lower management, my opinion is that Zoot is correct,
and Walter Manning is off base.

This post will NOT discourage me from ordering from Lickton's.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 08:15 AM

In article <8h0q04940f5vmfu31d4oriji7vc08qlela@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:

[snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]

> Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
> kitchen drawer.

I recommend a grapefruit knife.

I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)

Heck, I'll trade a wood-handled paring knife for a
wood-handled grapefruit knife.

I've temporarily settled for a lumpy, plastic-handled
doomajigger from that up-market kitchen shop in
Oakridge Mall.

Oh, well. The dollar stores are rife with grapefruit
/spoons/, which are the cat's pajamas for grapefruit
afficionados. They also purvey long-handled soda/float
spoons, which can be quite useful.

Actually, I'm not griping. My quest for the Perfect
Grapefruit Knife is largely an excuse to ride & explore.
Same as my quest for the Perfect Teapot. I like headin'
out with at least a goal, if not a definite destination.
I enjoy prospectin'.

Perhaps if Walter had ridden around in search of his
Campy lockring from a bricks-&-mortar shop, he'd be
a lot happier.

What's so special about a /Campy/ lockring anyways?
(I'm assuming bottom bracket, not headset.)

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

ZBicyclist

01-04-1970, 08:16 AM

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
> shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of vegetables
> or whatever in it? How is that different?

One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)

Another example is medicine.

Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor: "Don't do that."

That will cost you upwards of $50.

frkrygow@gmail.com

01-04-1970, 08:16 AM

On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
> to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
> service than Lickton's.

Could be Walter has already gotten angry at all his local bike shops
because they're not working for free, either.

- Frank Krygowski

SLAVE of THE STATE

01-04-1970, 08:16 AM

On Apr 21, 5:13*pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:

> As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
> business with them /if/ their service was unsatisfactory from your
> perspective.

... if ...? wtf?

He doesn't have to do business with them for any reason or for no
reason.

BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
purchase that went all wrong. I mean, he could post something about
global warming.

Walt, you wouldn't own a Bianchi, per chance?

SMS

01-04-1970, 08:16 AM

Tim McNamara wrote:

> I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
> to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
> service than Lickton's.

I'm sure that driving or riding or calling around looking for a shop
that has this item in stock would have cost him far more than $6 worth
of time, fuel, etc. OTOH, some on-line stores do offer very low-priced
shipping for items they can stick in a padded envelope which is nice of
them. They don't have to go to the post office to do this, their mail
carrier will pick them up.

> As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
> business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
> perspective.

I'll order more stuff from Lickton's to make up for Walter!

I've ordered Lone Peak stuff from them, as it's nearly impossible to
find locally. Lone Peak has one of the only trunk bags that doesn't use
funky velcro straps to hold it onto the rack. Lickton's charges $50 for
it, another on-line store charges $70 for it.

"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='3648-01'"
"http://www.gaerlan.com/bikeparts/acc/bag/bag.html"

Another item I've found at Lickton's are the elusive Ciussi Elite VIP
Universal Cage Mount. He charges $7.95. Harris Cyclery charges $15.95
for the same item. It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
shop, but that's quite a difference in mark-up!

"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='3242-00'"
"http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/accessories.html"

marika

01-04-1970, 08:16 AM

"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-9B6ED5.19135021042008@news.iphouse.com...

> Lickton's is a brick and mortar shop that has been in business for at
> least 30+ years, since I first did business with them in 1978 and they
> were well-known then. Bob Lickton is notorious cranky and, from a
> customer service perspective, that's not a particularly good thing as
> you point out. On the other hand, he's managed to be in business for a
> long time and to develop a reputation as one of the better shops in the
> Chicago area. So he's done something right.
>
> I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
> to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
> service than Lickton's.
>
> As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer do
> business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
> perspective.

i don't know but this is a good story...but that has no turning point about
animals

----- Original Message -----
From: "marika" <marika5000@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: uk.people.fathers,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: f 4 takes on the world

>a few weeks ago at about 4:50 they came on the loudspeaker to tell us that
>a
> suspicious package demanded our departure in an orderly fashion
>
> Fortunately I ride the bus with other people so I got the whole as much as
> available to public story
>
> 17th floor mail room, .
>
> They had been silently evacuating the tower
> then came on the loudspeaker and evacuated the other tower
>
> observed -- 7 cop cars, k9 vehicles
>
> and someone digging in the soil, a tried and true method of keeping
> explosives in check
>
> don't know if there was a bomb but it felt like a movie
>
> I love to see movies in theaters but can't bear paying for something I've
> already seen for free
>
> that's the medium that movies were made for anyway
>
>
> This is just a wild ass guess.
>
> mk5000
>
> Sam Savage: What three famous words did he utter?
> Chris Savage: Stop stabbing me! --Complete Savages
>

Zoot Katz

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:37:09 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
<l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>"walter" wrote: (clip) further try to justify that
>> because they need to subsidize the shipping costs on kryptonite locks.
>> (clip)
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Lemme guess. They didn't actually say that you were subsidizing Kryptonite
>locks. They tried to point out that they have a minimum charge, which
>results in less margin for handling on the heavier items (like Kryptonite
>locks.)
>
>It would be a good customer relations ploy to have a sub-minimum charge for
>items that will fit in a first-class envelope.
>
Stickers?
--
zk

Zoot Katz

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:07:00 -0700 (PDT), frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:

>On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
>> to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
>> service than Lickton's.
>
>Could be Walter has already gotten angry at all his local bike shops
>because they're not working for free, either.
>
Posting private e-mail without the author's consent is a scummiest of
stupid stunts to start with. In this his case piddling rant
backfired.

I liked the Subject: of Curt's response, "We love you, too, Walter."
--
zk

Bob

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

On Apr 21, 8:07*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:

> BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
> time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
> purchase that went all wrong. *I mean, he could post something about
> global warming.

I think Walt's offbase but at least he's on topic. Let's see...
rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.racing, rec.bicycles.marketplace,
rec.bicycles.soc. Nope, not a word about global warming or any other
allegedly impending climate change. There are plenty of offtopic
threads in these NGs without encouraging more.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

marika

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com> wrote in message
news:3f600ed9-6b3b-49d7-a845-2256928b94a3@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

He doesn't have to do business with them for any reason or for no
reason.

-----

curious reaction only because he has been performing these
activities all along without warrant and now finally have reason to
be ashamed now they outed him

mk5000

"The miracle isn't that I finished. The miracle is that I had the courage to
start."
- John Bingham (No Need for Speed: A Beginner's Guide to the Joy of Running)
-------------------

Leo Lichtman

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

"Zoot Katz" wrote: Stickers?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I get more of those than I want, free of charge, along the road shoulders.
;-)

I was thinking more in terms of a Campy lock ring.

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

In article <t5fq04ts44mg16piu8caknjebv9n26m2k8@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:07:00 -0700 (PDT), frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding down
> >> to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse customer
> >> service than Lickton's.
> >
> >Could be Walter has already gotten angry at all his local bike shops
> >because they're not working for free, either.
> >
> Posting private e-mail without the author's consent is a scummiest of
> stupid stunts to start with. In this his case piddling rant
> backfired.
>
> I liked the Subject: of Curt's response, "We love you, too, Walter."

Not the scummiest. Sorry to disagree. Modifying quoted material
and presenting it as the original is scummier.

--
Michael Press

Jens Müller

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

ZBicyclist schrieb:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
>> shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of vegetables
>> or whatever in it? How is that different?
>
> One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)
>
> Another example is medicine.
>
> Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."
>
> Doctor: "Don't do that."
>
> That will cost you upwards of $50.

No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of $50, but
I doubt it.

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 08:17 AM

In article
<90746d6a-23fa-4945-a562-cb8c9cc95e71@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Bob <hunrobe@aol.com> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 8:07*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
> > time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
> > purchase that went all wrong. *I mean, he could post something
> > about global warming.
>
> I think Walt's offbase but at least he's on topic. Let's see...
> rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.racing, rec.bicycles.marketplace,
> rec.bicycles.soc. Nope, not a word about global warming or any other
> allegedly impending climate change. There are plenty of offtopic
> threads in these NGs without encouraging more.

LOL. Although I'd disagree about rec.bikes.soc, as the global warming
discussion might fit in there.

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 08:20 AM

"Bruce Gilbert" <bgilbertREMOVE@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:lOidnTlM6uYxQpDVnZ2dnUVZ_tOtnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>
> When informing customers about Shipping & Handling we often have a similar
> problem, arise. We have a $5 minimum deal. I figured our worst case
> scenario: only one item to get to the post office, with one small item in
> the bag. If we send someone to do the post office run, it will probably
> take
> 45 minutes. The postage may only be a dollar, but what will it cost you
> for
> the employee to drive up there, stand in line and then return? Many times
> we
> actually have been called back by customers complaining about paying our
> $5
> minimum when the actual postage on the package was over $6. My wife and I
> sometimes have to sit back and laugh...
>
> Lately though, the gas prices have sharply reduced the shipping costs
> complaints.

What always amazes me is that these same people don't complain about very
expensive high end bikes that simply aren't worth the sort of money they're
willing to pay to get them. But that dollar part now......

Michael Press

01-04-1970, 08:20 AM

In article <R9mPj.2600$I55.2080@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

[...]

>
> Another item I've found at Lickton's are the elusive Ciussi Elite VIP
> Universal Cage Mount. He charges $7.95. Harris Cyclery charges $15.95
> for the same item. It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't resist.

--
Michael Press

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 08:20 AM

In article <R9mPj.2600$I55.2080@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> > I'm baffled by buying a lock ring by mail order and not just riding
> > down to the LBS to get one. Unless you only have LBSes with worse
> > customer service than Lickton's.
>
> I'm sure that driving or riding or calling around looking for a shop
> that has this item in stock would have cost him far more than $6
> worth of time, fuel, etc. OTOH, some on-line stores do offer very
> low-priced shipping for items they can stick in a padded envelope
> which is nice of them. They don't have to go to the post office to do
> this, their mail carrier will pick them up.
>
> > As a customer, of course, you certainly have the right to no longer
> > do business with them if their service was unsatisfactory from your
> > perspective.
>
> I'll order more stuff from Lickton's to make up for Walter!

I've bought things in person and by mail order from Lickton's and have
always gotten a good deal and generally the customer service has been
good. I have usually dealt with Robin rather than Bob.

Dane Buson

01-04-1970, 08:20 AM

In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Another item I've found at Lickton's are the elusive Ciussi Elite VIP
> Universal Cage Mount. He charges $7.95. Harris Cyclery charges $15.95
> for the same item. It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
> shop, but that's quite a difference in mark-up!
>
> "http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='3242-00'"
> "http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/accessories.html"

Ah, thank you for that. I have a couple bikes with no bottle cage
mounting holes that I was wanting to fix up. These should do handily.

So, another person seduced to the dark side of Licktons.

--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"Our wines leave you nothing to hope for."
-On the Menu of a Swiss Restaurant

Dane Buson

01-04-1970, 08:20 AM

Bill Sornson

01-04-1970, 08:21 AM

Michael Press wrote:
> In article <R9mPj.2600$I55.2080@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> [...]

>> [...}

>> It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
^^^^^^^^^^^

> I can't resist.

I'm with you on that one. (My father used to rant -- or maybe just vent a
bit -- on that old malt liquor ad calling it a "completely unique"
experience. Drilled into my pea brain.)

Bill "that and 'irregardless'" S.

Leo Lichtman

01-04-1970, 08:21 AM

"Bill Sornson" wrote: (clip) that old malt liquor ad calling it a
"completely unique"
> experience (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the same category: "In order to form a *more perfect* union."

A few of my favorites: "I have a friend of mine." "I own my own home."
"hot water heater,"

SMS

01-04-1970, 08:21 AM

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article <R9mPj.2600$I55.2080@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>
>>> [...}
>
>>> It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> I can't resist.
>
> I'm with you on that one. (My father used to rant -- or maybe just vent a
> bit -- on that old malt liquor ad calling it a "completely unique"
> experience. Drilled into my pea brain.)

Plus that malt liquor was up to 50% and more less expensive.

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 08:21 AM

In article <480e6730$0$30178$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article <R9mPj.2600$I55.2080@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, SMS
> > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
>
> >> [...}
>
> >> It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > I can't resist.
>
> I'm with you on that one. (My father used to rant -- or maybe just
> vent a bit -- on that old malt liquor ad calling it a "completely
> unique" experience. Drilled into my pea brain.)
>
> Bill "that and 'irregardless'" S.

Irrespective of your father's grammatical proclivities, it's better to
sell a totally unique product than a partially unique one- irregardless
of whether English teachers like it. :-D

Pat

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

> "completely unique"
>> experience (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> In the same category: "In order to form a *more perfect* union."
>
> A few of my favorites: "I have a friend of mine." "I own my own home."
> "hot water heater,"

I heard once that Freud used to get exasperated when someone would write him
a letter starting with "Dearest" for the same reasons....
>
>

marika

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

"Leo Lichtman" <l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:WmuPj.120351$D_3.90237@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Bill Sornson" wrote: (clip) that old malt liquor ad calling it a
> "completely unique"
>> experience (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> In the same category: "In order to form a *more perfect* union."
>
> A few of my favorites: "I have a friend of mine." "I own my own home."
> "hot water heater,"

I haven't heard or reacted to the last two
THe first makes me crazy ballistic

I someetimes say gosh he can't be a really close friend or you would have
said my friend

they don't usually get it

sometimes, I ask them what field of mining they are in

mk5000

"She still said nothing and I purposely did not look at her because I did
not wish either to press her or to embarrass her. I was in love with her,
and my heart went out to her as she tried to fathom her own feelings. I felt
like saying: Don't bother to explain, darling. I know it all"
- John Bingham (Five Roundabouts to Heaven)

ZBicyclist

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

Jens Müller wrote:
> ZBicyclist schrieb:
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
>>> shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of
>>> vegetables or whatever in it? How is that different?
>>
>> One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)
>>
>> Another example is medicine.
>>
>> Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."
>>
>> Doctor: "Don't do that."
>>
>> That will cost you upwards of $50.
>
> No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of $50,
> but I doubt it.

At the rate the dollar is going, it may not be long before 10 ¤. IS $50.

When the Euro was first introduced, it was worth about 80 US cents. Now
it's worth $1.60

--
Mike Kruger
"You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

In article <677a8qF2nfnv9U1@mid.individual.net>,
Jens Müller <usenet-11-2007@tessarakt.de> wrote:

> ZBicyclist schrieb:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
> >> shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of
> >> vegetables or whatever in it? How is that different?
> >
> > One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton. ;)
> >
> > Another example is medicine.
> >
> > Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."
> >
> > Doctor: "Don't do that."
> >
> > That will cost you upwards of $50.
>
> No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of $50,
> but I doubt it.

Ah, but you (assuming your .de address means that you are in Germany)
are much more likely to have a rational health care system than we have
in the US. Here's that'd be $50 if you have insurance, $150 if you
don't.

Tim McNamara

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

In article <GCvPj.87$To6.9@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
"ZBicyclist" <ZBicyclist@excite.com> wrote:

> Jens Müller wrote:
> > ZBicyclist schrieb:
> >> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >>> My goodness, do you go into a restaraunt and complain that they
> >>> shouldn't be charging $6 for a salad that has .50 worth of
> >>> vegetables or whatever in it? How is that different?
> >>
> >> One hopes the waitress is more attractive than Robert Lickton.
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> Another example is medicine.
> >>
> >> Patient: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."
> >>
> >> Doctor: "Don't do that."
> >>
> >> That will cost you upwards of $50.
> >
> > No, only 10 ¤. Maybe it costs social security the equivalent of
> > $50, but I doubt it.
>
> At the rate the dollar is going, it may not be long before 10 ¤. IS
> $50.
>
> When the Euro was first introduced, it was worth about 80 US cents.
> Now it's worth $1.60

When I was in France the first time (2002), the Euro was worth US$0.98
to US$1.01. This made it just incredibly convenient to understand
prices in terms I was familiar with. When I went in 2003, I think the
Euro was worth about US$1.20 or so, which still wasn't bad to calculate
but was disadvantageous as a tourist. Now I basically can't afford to
go back to Europe for a cycling vacation as my costs would be so much
higher.

SLAVE of THE STATE

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

On Apr 22, 6:11*pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article
> <90746d6a-23fa-4945-a562-cb8c9cc95...@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 8:07*pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > BTW, Walt is a cry-baby who has nothing better to do than waste his
> > > time and everyone else's time complaining about some gd sub-$10
> > > purchase that went all wrong. *I mean, he could post something
> > > about global warming.
>
> > I think Walt's offbase but at least he's on topic. Let's see...
> > rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.racing, rec.bicycles.marketplace,
> > rec.bicycles.soc. Nope, not a word about global warming or any other
> > allegedly impending climate change. There are plenty of offtopic
> > threads in these NGs without encouraging more.
>
> LOL. *Although I'd disagree about rec.bikes.soc, as the global warming
> discussion might fit in there.

global warming is on topic in .racing.

Once things heat up we'll have the Tour de Greenland. I hear it has
some great cols. Antarctica? Don't get me started!

ZBicyclist

01-04-1970, 08:22 AM

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> global warming is on topic in .racing.
>
> Once things heat up we'll have the Tour de Greenland. I hear it
> has
> some great cols. Antarctica? Don't get me started!

Bicycle tourists in Greenland:
http://www.mountainbike-expedition-team.de/Greenland/start_greenland.html

--
Mike Kruger
"You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 08:23 AM

ZBicyclist wrote:
> Bicycle tourists in Greenland:
> http://www.mountainbike-expedition-team.de/Greenland/start_greenland.html

Where else can you descend into a glacier.

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 08:34 AM

Tom Keats wrote:
> What's so special about a /Campy/ lockring anyways? (I'm assuming bottom
> bracket, not headset.)

Cassette presumably ?

SMS

01-04-1970, 08:34 AM

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <8h0q04940f5vmfu31d4oriji7vc08qlela@4ax.com>,
> Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
>
> [snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]
>
>> Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
>> kitchen drawer.
>
> I recommend a grapefruit knife.
>
> I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
> Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
> wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
> old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)

"http://www.ablekitchen.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BH-573815&Click=8779"

$34.93 for 12 of them.

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 08:34 AM

In article <4811a89b$0$2849$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> What's so special about a /Campy/ lockring anyways? (I'm assuming bottom
>> bracket, not headset.)
>
> Cassette presumably ?

ISTM Ritchey makes Campagnolo-compatible stuff,
and there're plenty of Ritchey on-line/mail-order
suppliers.

I dunno what they'd charge for S & H.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Carl Sundquist

01-04-1970, 08:34 AM

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:YulQj.6485$GO4.1184@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <8h0q04940f5vmfu31d4oriji7vc08qlela@4ax.com>,
>> Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
>>
>> [snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]
>>
>>> Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
>>> kitchen drawer.
>>
>> I recommend a grapefruit knife.
>>
>> I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
>> Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
>> wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
>> old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)
>
> "http://www.ablekitchen.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BH-573815&Click=8779"
>
> $34.93 for 12 of them.

How much is shipping?

dvt

01-04-1970, 08:35 AM

Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:YulQj.6485$GO4.1184@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>> In article <8h0q04940f5vmfu31d4oriji7vc08qlela@4ax.com>,
>>> Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]
>>>
>>>> Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
>>>> kitchen drawer.
>>>
>>> I recommend a grapefruit knife.
>>>
>>> I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
>>> Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
>>> wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
>>> old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)
>>
>> "http://www.ablekitchen.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BH-573815&Click=8779"
>>
>>
>> $34.93 for 12 of them.
>
> How much is shipping?

That was *funny*. Laugh out loud funny. Thanks, Carl.

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 08:35 AM

In article <7cnQj.11986$3N1.10385@newsfe17.lga>,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> writes:
>
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:YulQj.6485$GO4.1184@newssvr19.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>> In article <8h0q04940f5vmfu31d4oriji7vc08qlela@4ax.com>,
>>> Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip Walter's anti-Lickman's rant]
>>>
>>>> Tell ya what, Walter, go get me a shiney sharp object from your
>>>> kitchen drawer.
>>>
>>> I recommend a grapefruit knife.
>>>
>>> I've ridden all over town in my quest for the Perfect
>>> Grapefruit Knife. I want an old-style one, with
>>> wooden scales + brass rivets on the handle, like an
>>> old-style paring knife (of which I have plenty.)
>>
>> "http://www.ablekitchen.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BH-573815&Click=8779"
>>
>> $34.93 for 12 of them.
>
> How much is shipping?

I'd rather ride there and get it myself.

And I only need one.

Chances are I'd have to pay customs/duty on it, too.

Oh, well.

A good grapefruit knife is worth it.

So's a good, adventurous ride.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 09:41 AM

In article <vj4hf5-di9.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org>,
Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu> writes:
> In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Another item I've found at Lickton's are the elusive Ciussi Elite VIP
>> Universal Cage Mount. He charges $7.95. Harris Cyclery charges $15.95
>> for the same item. It's a very unique item not found in any bicycle
>> shop, but that's quite a difference in mark-up!
>>
>> "http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB='3242-00'"
>> "http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/accessories.html"
>
> Ah, thank you for that. I have a couple bikes with no bottle cage
> mounting holes that I was wanting to fix up. These should do handily.
>
> So, another person seduced to the dark side of Licktons.

Aw, Licktons can't be /that/ diabolical. Or even
as diabolical as a double-eighteen set of dominoes,
or a cup of coffee sweetened with English mints, or
a front wheel drive safety bicycle. Or Sheldon Brown's
thing with the multiple handlebars.

IIRC Ron Hardin (hi, Ron! <wave, smile>) obtains
replacement parts for his Huffies from Licktons,
and he's quite practical-minded. So, there's yet
another satisfied customer.

cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats

01-04-1970, 09:41 AM