Problems with the testosterone test

[Kurgan Gringioni]

Dumbasses -

check this out:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA

[joseph.santaniello@gmail.com]

On May 3, 11:22*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dumbasses -
>
> check this out:
>
> http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA

Floyd is Korean?

Joseph

[Robert Chung]

On May 3, 2:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA

So you're saying you've been doping, undetected, for all this time?

[RicodJour]

On May 3, 5:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dumbasses -
>
> check this out:
>
> http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA

Is it too late to change my bets for the Beijing Olympics?

R

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<579e4a94-f2a4-4b2f-aa83-1fe2ec8dc061@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
"joseph.santaniello@gmail.com" <joseph.santaniello@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 11:22*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dumbasses -
> >
> > check this out:
> >
> > http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA
>
> Floyd is Korean?
>
> Joseph

If that's what it takes, he will be.

Maybe he has a vanishing Korean twin dog,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Robert Chung]

On May 3, 7:51 am, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 2:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA
>
> So you're saying you've been doping, undetected, for all this time?

Just to clarify, I'm not saying this in an accusatory tone. I'm
looking for tips.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On May 3, 7:55*am, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 7:51 am, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 2:22 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKoILy8T-1H7FgljqccywzJyFhzA
>
> > So you're saying you've been doping, undetected, for all this time?
>
> Just to clarify, I'm not saying this in an accusatory tone. I'm
> looking for tips.



Dumbass -


Not saying anything. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the
topic. It does seem like there's a very large problem w/ their test.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[2bowlers@gmail.com]

On May 3, 3:39*pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the
> topic. It does seem like there's a very large problem w/ their test.

Double Dumbass,

a) We covered this topic weeks ago and discussed both the genetics
involved and the false test rates.

b) You are only now noticing that there are problems with drug testing
in sport? Wow.

c) This publication will help with the argument for (eventual)
mandatory DNA sampling of athletes that fall under the WADA code. It's
going to make for some very interesting politics. Don't be surprised
to see state governments to get involved over health privacy issues.
Should be yet another entertaining round of sound and fury in the
quest for "clean" sport.

Mark

[Ted van de Weteringe]

2bowlers@gmail.com wrote:
> c) This publication will help

Too much money has been poured into the existing procedures. Both sports
and dope politicians will remain supporting them.

[Amit Ghosh]

On May 3, 10:19 pm, 2bowl...@gmail.com wrote:

> c) This publication will help with the argument for (eventual)
> mandatory DNA sampling of athletes that fall under the WADA code. It's
> going to make for some very interesting politics. Don't be surprised
> to see state governments to get involved over health privacy issues.
> Should be yet another entertaining round of sound and fury in the
> quest for "clean" sport.

dumbass,

unless there's another puerto - how the **** is DNA going to catch a
doper ?

letters lke DNA and GPS are just used to scare dumb athletes.

[2bowlers@gmail.com]

On May 4, 12:41*pm, Amit Ghosh <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dumbass,
>
> unless there's another puerto - how the **** is DNA going to catch a
> doper ?

You miss the point and crudely at that. Why don't you think about the
bigger picture, learn some complex words and get back to us with a
cogent thought on the topic.

> letters like DNA and GPS are just used to scare dumb athletes.

And apparently a number of frequent RBR posters...

Dope testing groups like WADA would very much like to bank a DNA
sample from each athlete under their purview. They want this in case
there is another Puerto (or another blood shuffling scenario you can
dream up where DNA may prove useful) or quite possibly just to scare
some into not doping. What matters is they would like this sample
regardless of how useful it will be in the end and they will continue
to argue for it.

By using data such as those presented in the drug metabolism paper
under discussion the testers have another lever with which to argue
for the DNA sample. The argument is simple: "These samples will help
us reduce false positives and negatives for this test and that is a
good thing for all parties". That is a decent argument and it will be
persuasive. Once they have the sample they'll do wahtever they want
with it. We've already seen that with historucal use of banked samples
that were supposed to be de-identified.

No matter, y'all just keep dumb assing along and it's almost July.

Mark

[Amit Ghosh]

On May 4, 4:50 pm, 2bowl...@gmail.com wrote:

> You miss the point and crudely at that. Why don't you think about the
> bigger picture, learn some complex words and get back to us with a
> cogent thought on the topic.
>

dumbass,

autologous blood transfusions and epo injections won't be detected by
DNA samples.

> And apparently a number of frequent RBR posters...
>
> Dope testing groups like WADA would very much like to bank a DNA
> sample from each athlete under their purview. They want this in case
> there is another Puerto (or another blood shuffling scenario you can
> dream up where DNA may prove useful) or quite possibly just to scare
> some into not doping. What matters is they would like this sample
> regardless of how useful it will be in the end and they will continue
> to argue for it.

fuentes was busted by the spanish police, NOT WADA. WADA, the UCI and
other ADAs don't have access to the puerto blood. the only reason
there was a match made (ullrich) was because there was a criminal case
against him, and it was done by the german cops, not an ADA.

even if WADA strongly suspects that an athlete is doping, they are
powerless to do anything about it unless the athlete tests positive
(under the current WADA code).

> as those presented in the drug metabolism paper
> under discussion the testers have another lever with which to argue
> for the DNA sample. The argument is simple: "These samples will help
> us reduce false positives and negatives for this test and that is a
> good thing for all parties". That is a decent argument and it will be
> persuasive. Once they have the sample they'll do wahtever they want
> with it. We've already seen that with historucal use of banked samples
> that were supposed to be de-identified.

a DNA sample (like the GPS chip idea discussed here a while ago) is
totally ****ing useless for catching dopers.

[2bowlers@gmail.com]

Amit,

Once again you have totally missed the point of what was written. That
being, regardless of actual utility, various agencies desire to
collect DNA samples from athletes and will find a way to do so. I'm
not telling you it makes sense, I'm telling you this is the path they
are heading down and what the discussion is going to look like. If you
disagree with that then go ahead and make your case but don't portend
to lecture me on why DNA collection doesn't make sense when I've never
made the case for it.

One last time in case you are not as dense as you currently appear to
be: go back and read what I actually wrote -- nowhere do I suggest
that this path is sensible or will make one iota of difference in
catching purported doper. I merely that DNA collection it is going to
happen (or at least be attempted) and that legitimate issues around
improving current tests will be the basis for the collection.

Nice strawman on the GPS chip argument though. You could do better.

Ciao,

Mark