cassettes and chains, a marriage without divorce?

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?

-ilan

P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <9a24e048-af44-4e3e-8416-f6baff30d773@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Chung <rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 30, 9:55 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Ho ho! When is the airdate? Also, more lunch stories, please.
>
> About a decade ago. Not much to tell. I ran a couple of categories,
> won a bunch of money, and then had to eat lunch with the remaining
> contestants, including those who would be my opponents in the next
> round. Lunch conversation was about what you'd expect from Jeopardy
> contestants. Since I was the defending champion I didn't have anything
> to prove so I just ate my salad and watched the tension in the room
> evolve. The better story is getting on the show.

Hey Robert, have you read Bob Harris' book, "Prisoner of Trebekistan"? For the
most part, it's about getting and being on Jeopardy. Good read, particularly the
parts about how he "studied" for the show.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Donald Munro]

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> I guess your driveway is nothing like mine. I'm also afraid my clown car
> might torque stall. I have a 33x28 low on a double. You might not be as
> fat as I am.

I thought it was because the koach taught you how to sprint in a 13.

Anyway if you're really that fat you should consider posint IN CAPS !!!!!

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <48425679$0$2877$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > I have half as many downtube shifters per bike as Jobst.
>
> Half a downtube shifter weighs less than half a democratic party delegate.

Only if they're from Florida. They carry no weight at all.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On May 30, 12:21 am, "Sandy" <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
> Dans le message denews:f1b236c4-1a49-4377-b526-f45081e1a4a2@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com,
> ilan...@gmail.com <ilan...@gmail.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>
>
>
> > On May 29, 7:09 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <0541e7b7-41b6-45fe-bc11-3d52d7b97...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> >>> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27).
> >>> However, I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it
> >>> true that these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as
> >>> one unit?
>
> >>> P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.
>
> >> Reusable SRAM links. 9 speed or 10 speed?
> >> <http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Power+Link+9+sp...>
> >> <http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=PowerLock+10sp+...>
>
> >> --
> >> Michael Press
>
> > I guess I can just buy it online,
> >http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Chain+Pin+10sp+....
> > I just can't find it here in Paris:http://ilanpsi.blogspot.com/
>
> > -ilan
>
> DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. It works
> fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT house brand or KMC
> brand. Was 20? the last time I got one.

Thanks! I never even knew this technology existed. What will they
think of next?

-ilan

[Donald Munro]

Sandy wrote:
> DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. It works
> fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT house brand or
> KMC brand. Was 20? the last time I got one.

The KMC (or Wipperman connex) is better for ten speed than the SRAM
since the SRAM 10 speed is a semi permanent link that requires a
chaintool to take it off. I use SRAM chains with 10 speed links from
Connex and some other no-name Chinese brand (the chain was **** but the
link works well), mainly because I like to take the chain off when I
clean the drivetrain and the chain.

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On May 30, 12:21*am, "Sandy" <leur...@free.fr> wrote:
> Dans le message denews:f1b236c4-1a49-4377-b526-f45081e1a4a2@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com,
> ilan...@gmail.com <ilan...@gmail.com> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>
>
>
> > On May 29, 7:09 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <0541e7b7-41b6-45fe-bc11-3d52d7b97...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> >>> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27).
> >>> However, I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it
> >>> true that these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as
> >>> one unit?
>
> >>> P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.
>
> >> Reusable SRAM links. 9 speed or 10 speed?
> >> <http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Power+Link+9+sp...>
> >> <http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=PowerLock+10sp+...>
>
> >> --
> >> Michael Press
>
> > I guess I can just buy it online,
> >http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Chain+Pin+10sp+....
> > I just can't find it here in Paris:http://ilanpsi.blogspot.com/
>
> > -ilan
>
> DKT sells the KMC link - I recall the price being 5? for two. *It works
> fine, as does their chain, which may be under either DKT house brand or KMC
> brand. *Was 20? the last time I got one.

I just got it at Decathlon. I'm not used to going there, much better
than GoSport, the mechanic even explained to me how it works in every
detail. The bike salesman was really funny, he was trying to explain
to some clueless woman why you might want bike shorts on a long ride,
he said that wearing the wrong set of pants would be like putting fur
on your steering wheel. Oh, and I also bought some walking shoes.

I'll try it out on a ride tomorrow, but it seems that the problem is
that it could fall off if you drop your chain, which is maybe why they
give you a 2nd set. I put it in my saddle pack just in case....

Thanks again! Now I have to go back to the original bike shops which
told me I should never switch chains when changing cassettes.

-ilan

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On May 29, 8:25*pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On May 29, 5:01 pm, Ted van de Weteringe
>
> <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote:
> > Ryan Cousineau schreef:
>
> > > *ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27).
>
> > > Meta-question I always wonder about is why you would change cassettes
> > > with a 10v.
>
> > > The 12-27 is hardly going to disadvantage you in any circumstance,
>
> > It won't give you the Sweet 16.
>
> Shimano 10 is 12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,24,27,
> right? *

Oh shutup.

> (Not from personal experience, my
> bike only goes to 9sp/12-27)

"No Sweet 16" must make you feel a little silly.

[Michael Press]

In article
<0541e7b7-41b6-45fe-bc11-3d52d7b97c37@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:

> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
> I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
> these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?
>
> P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.

Reusable SRAM links. 9 speed or 10 speed?
<http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Power+Link+9+speed&vendorCode=SRAM&major=1&minor=11>
<http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=PowerLock+10sp+Chain+Connector&vendorCode=SRAM&major=1&minor=11>

--
Michael Press

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article
<0541e7b7-41b6-45fe-bc11-3d52d7b97c37@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:

> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
> I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
> these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?
>
> -ilan
>
> P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.

Meta-question I always wonder about is why you would change cassettes
with a 10v.

The 12-27 is hardly going to disadvantage you in any circumstance,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Robert Chung]

On May 29, 8:33 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:

> P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.

You should ask us for dating advice.

Here's a guy who bought a R3, rides around Central Park, and wants us
to know it:
http://theclimb.blogs.nytimes.com/

[A R:nen]

ilanpsi@gmail.com writes:

> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
> I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
> these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?

Do you see a mechanic fiddling around with a chain tool when replacing
a pro's rear wheel during a race? As long as you don't let the chain
wear out so much that it starts wearing out the cassette as well (replace
early and often, for the definite answer(s) on how early and how often
you can ask in r.b.tech...), you can use the same chain with both
cassettes just fine.

By the way, anybody keeping score of chain failures on the pro circuit
by model? I think David Millar's famous projectile had a standard
Dura-Ace (7801) chain.

[Ted van de Weteringe]

Ryan Cousineau schreef:
> ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27).
>
> Meta-question I always wonder about is why you would change cassettes
> with a 10v.
>
> The 12-27 is hardly going to disadvantage you in any circumstance,

It won't give you the Sweet 16.

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On May 30, 1:43*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <0541e7b7-41b6-45fe-bc11-3d52d7b97...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> > each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
> > I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
> > these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?
>
> > -ilan
>
> > P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.
>
> Meta-question I always wonder about is why you would change cassettes
> with a 10v.
>
> The 12-27 is hardly going to disadvantage you in any circumstance,
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@gmail.comhttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
> "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

That is a good point, but since I absolutely never need the 27 for
about 10 months out of the year, I got the 12-23 so I could have a
true 10 speed for the rest of the time.

-ilan

[Howard Kveck]

In article <02bc2a92-06ee-4456-a8c9-f001f7f7515a@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:

> On May 30, 1:43*am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <0541e7b7-41b6-45fe-bc11-3d52d7b97...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > *ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
> > > each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
> > > I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
> > > these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?

> > Meta-question I always wonder about is why you would change cassettes
> > with a 10v.
> >
> > The 12-27 is hardly going to disadvantage you in any circumstance,

> That is a good point, but since I absolutely never need the 27 for
> about 10 months out of the year, I got the 12-23 so I could have a
> true 10 speed for the rest of the time.

I run Campy 11-21 sets most of the time and for those days when crazy steep
climbing is in the cards, I got the paired 23-26 gear, an appropriate spacer, a lock
ring and the 13 that can be used on the outside of a cassette. This way I can do a
little gear shuffling and also have a 13-26 set. I like the consistent one tooth
spacing (which you do lose a bit of with the 13-26).

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[SLAVE of THE STATE]

On May 30, 3:17*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > I guess your driveway is nothing like mine. *I'm also afraid my clown car
> > might torque stall. *I have a 33x28 low on a double. *You might not be as
> > fat as I am.
>
> I thought it was because the koach taught you how to sprint in a 13.
>
> Anyway if you're really that fat you should consider posint IN CAPS !!!!!

23.5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM FAT !!!!!!!!!!

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On May 30, 4:58*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 8:33 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.
>
> You should ask us for dating advice.
>
> Here's a guy who bought a R3, rides around Central Park, and wants us
> to know it:http://theclimb.blogs.nytimes.com/

Thanks for the link. By the way, the crows at Vincennes are doing
well. It's amazing how they only come out when the guy who feeds them
is there and how they fly right to him. Apparently, Cynthia had a
baby.

-ilan

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On May 30, 4:58*pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 8:33 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > P.S. Sorry for the wrong group but I only trust people here.
>
> You should ask us for dating advice.
>
> Here's a guy who bought a R3, rides around Central Park, and wants us
> to know it:http://theclimb.blogs.nytimes.com/

On the blog, I enjoyed his self-description:

"Rob Mackey is a 41-year-old Web journalist and novice cyclist, who
signed up to ride L'Etape du Tour, the single stage of the Tour de
France open to amateurs"

which makes it sound like he's actually going to ride with the Tour
for one day.

-ilan

[Robert Chung]

On May 30, 10:16 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link. By the way, the crows at Vincennes are doing
> well. It's amazing how they only come out when the guy who feeds them
> is there and how they fly right to him. Apparently, Cynthia had a
> baby.

A baby crow?

That guy told me they're corneilles, not corbeaux, and they're
territorial enough that the ones on one side of the piste are
different from the ones on the other.

[Donald Munro]

Robert Chung wrote:
> A baby crow?

Is LANCE jealous ?

[Robert Chung]

On Jun 3, 4:44 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just got it at Decathlon. I'm not used to going there, much better
> than GoSport,

Which DKT?

[ilanpsi@gmail.com]

On Jun 4, 2:30 am, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 3, 4:44 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I just got it at Decathlon. I'm not used to going there, much better
> > than GoSport,
>
> Which DKT?

Wagram near Place des Ternes. I was amazed, they even have a climbing
section with actual decent climbing shoes.As I said, unlike GoSport,
the salespeople actually know what they are talking about.

-ilan

[Robert Chung]

On Jun 3, 6:53 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:30 am, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 3, 4:44 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I just got it at Decathlon. I'm not used to going there, much better
> > > than GoSport,
>
> > Which DKT?
>
> Wagram near Place des Ternes. I was amazed, they even have a climbing
> section with actual decent climbing shoes.As I said, unlike GoSport,
> the salespeople actually know what they are talking about.

Ah, yes. That one. I've been in there. I sorta like DKT because even
though the salespeople ignore me I can see it's because they're
actually busy. When I go into a bike shop they ignore me but usually
because they're talking on a cell phone or being yelled at by the
owner or something. At least at DKT they don't actively dispense bad
info. I figure no info is better than bad info.

[Donald Munro]

Robert Chung wrote:
> At least at DKT they don't actively dispense bad info. I figure
> no info is better than bad info.

You have a fundamental disconnect with the Bush Whitehouse.

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 04 Jun 2008 12:02:07 +0300, oronkain@ling.helsinki.fi (A R:nen)
wrote:

>ilanpsi@gmail.com writes:
>
>> I have two new 10 speed shimano cassettes and chains and change them
>> each time I need to use different cog sets (12-23 vs 12-27). However,
>> I'm having a lot of problems finding the new pins. Is it true that
>> these day cassettes and chains still have to be kept as one unit?
>
>Do you see a mechanic fiddling around with a chain tool when replacing
>a pro's rear wheel during a race? As long as you don't let the chain
>wear out so much that it starts wearing out the cassette as well (replace
>early and often, for the definite answer(s) on how early and how often
>you can ask in r.b.tech...), you can use the same chain with both
>cassettes just fine.


Yeah. Thought, and this is unrelated to cassettes I think, I did once
see video of a mechanic on the Collstrop team change a races chain in
the middle of the race. He used those plier-type chain tools and was
really fast!

>By the way, anybody keeping score of chain failures on the pro circuit
>by model? I think David Millar's famous projectile had a standard
>Dura-Ace (7801) chain.

That would be interesting, but really hard to do. I think on rapidly
worn out parts such as chains, there is a lot of mixing of
brands/models even on teams with good sponsorship.