Re: Cycling not particularly dangerous [was Buses]

[Edward Dolan]

"Wilson" <ww@dixiedancekings.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jon" <jonmein@none.non> wrote in message
> news:4847beb0$0$6040$88260bb3@news.teranews.com...
>> "Wilson" <ww@dixiedancekings.com> wrote in message
>> news:gpadnalwaMTLiNvVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>
>>> "Jon" <jonmein@none.non> wrote in message
>>>> addresssing the issue of prevention and education all along. And
>>>> part of education is that cycling is not inherently unsafe.
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is why we aren't understanding each other. I'm looking at
>>> this from the standpoint that a bicycle/motor vehicle accident on the
>>> road
>>> is
>>> inherently unsafe for the cyclist.
>>
>> Ok, but by the same reasoning, a small car/big truck accident on
>> the road is "inherently unsafe" for the small car occupants. In
>> actuallity, however, it does *not necessarily* follow from this that
>> the biggest vehicles are the safest.
> [....]
>
> Ok so it might even be true that nothing in this life necessarily follows
> anything else. Throw a coke bottle up in the air and I suppose it may
> *not necessary* follow that it will return to earth, but I'm willing to
> bet it will.
>
> I do know that I don't want to be in a Mini Cooper that collides with a
> semi truck and trailer. I don't care if it does *not necessarily*
> follow that the occupants of the semi truck will be safer than the
> occupants of the Mini Cooper. My common sense tells me the odds of
> survival overwhelingly favor the semi truck occupants over the Mini Cooper
> occupants.
>
> The link below is to a graphic photo of car plowing into a peloton of
> cycle racers in Mexico near the Texas border. There's also a video
> availble if the still shot isn't graphic enough. According to your
> statistics all these cyclists were statistically less safe driving to the
> start of the race with their bikes in tow than they were on the road
> racing their bikes. Then the unthinkable happened. Your statistics are
> no respector of persons. Statistics to the contrary don't matter when it's
> your body flying though the air.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4984659
>
> Watch Out and Stay safe. All of y'all.

Wilson, you are arguing with a couple of idiots, Jon Meinecke and Peter
Clinch. I had a go at these two nuts many years ago. They ended up kill
filing me because I called them out for what they are - screwballs. Neither
one of them has a lick of common sense and they just love statistics, the
more meaningless, the better.

Note how Jon just loves to dot all his i's and cross all his t's.
Unfortunately for him I could do this a thousand times better. He is a
coward and will kill file anyone who disagrees with him. I think he must be
German in his heritage. And Peter Clinch, a Scot, is even dumber than Jon.
He is an ******* (a Medical Physics IT Officer no less) who thinks he knows
everything when, of course, only the Great Ed Dolan knows everything!

The best thing to do is just to tell them to go **** themselves. They do
nothing but endanger cyclists' lives with their dumb advice. There really
ought to be a law against numskulls like them, but sadly the world is full
of their ilk. These types think they know more than they do and never
realize that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. They are fools who
rush in where angels fear to tread.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[DennisTheBald]

In general I would say the Ed Dolan is on crack, but this is the day
that the sun shines on that dog's ass...

Cycling in NOT particularly dangerous.

Motor vehicles are inherently dangerous. In the US there are about
44,000 fatalities caused by motor vehicle collisions every year, very
few of these involve bikes, or peds, or horses or whatever else you
might imagine other than motor vehicles. A pretty good segment of
these fatal collisions involve only the one vehicle colliding with
something immobile like a bridge support or a tree or even just the
ground in an unusual direction. That's why we the people don't allow
kids and drunks to drive and require licensed operators to be
financially liable for the potential damage they are about to cause.

This number, 44,000 per annum, does NOT include deaths related to
automobile manufacture or operation other than collisions, however a
good many people have put forth that motor vehicles do indeed cause
death in manners not related to collisions. I understand that
operating one in an enclosed space can be quite fatal. In this regard
and in so much as the big ball we live on doesn't seem to share an
atmospheric current with any other celestial body it in and of itself
would seem to constitute one rather large enclosed space. It only
stands to reason that the outcome of operating these motor vehicles in
our atmosphere is essentially the same as operating them in a large
enclosed space, it's only a matter of time before it produces the same
results. I mean to say that if you fired up your Buick in a three car
garage it would take longer to kill you than it would in a one car
garage, but if the tank is full sooner or later your gonna get the
same results. Wouldn't it be nice if we could hold the people that
profit from the manufacture and sale of these things liable for the
damage their product does? I guess if we're going down that road we
ought to go after the booze vendors first as that would be more bang
for our buck.

People that think bicycles are dangerous can wear helmets and/or cups.
Personally I won't ride without a night-light, 'cause I'm scared of
the dark - YMMV.

[Kerry Montgomery]

"DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In general I would say the Ed Dolan is on crack, but this is the day
> that the sun shines on that dog's ass...
>
> Cycling in NOT particularly dangerous.
>
> Motor vehicles are inherently dangerous. In the US there are about
> 44,000 fatalities caused by motor vehicle collisions every year, very
> few of these involve bikes, or peds, or horses or whatever else you
> might imagine other than motor vehicles. A pretty good segment of
> these fatal collisions involve only the one vehicle colliding with
> something immobile like a bridge support or a tree or even just the
> ground in an unusual direction. That's why we the people don't allow
> kids and drunks to drive and require licensed operators to be
> financially liable for the potential damage they are about to cause.
>
> This number, 44,000 per annum, does NOT include deaths related to
> automobile manufacture or operation other than collisions, however a
> good many people have put forth that motor vehicles do indeed cause
> death in manners not related to collisions. I understand that
> operating one in an enclosed space can be quite fatal. In this regard
> and in so much as the big ball we live on doesn't seem to share an
> atmospheric current with any other celestial body it in and of itself
> would seem to constitute one rather large enclosed space. It only
> stands to reason that the outcome of operating these motor vehicles in
> our atmosphere is essentially the same as operating them in a large
> enclosed space, it's only a matter of time before it produces the same
> results. I mean to say that if you fired up your Buick in a three car
> garage it would take longer to kill you than it would in a one car
> garage, but if the tank is full sooner or later your gonna get the
> same results. Wouldn't it be nice if we could hold the people that
> profit from the manufacture and sale of these things liable for the
> damage their product does? I guess if we're going down that road we
> ought to go after the booze vendors first as that would be more bang
> for our buck.
>
> People that think bicycles are dangerous can wear helmets and/or cups.
> Personally I won't ride without a night-light, 'cause I'm scared of
> the dark - YMMV.

DennisTheBald
For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if you
fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car garage, it
will never kill you. See:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
live on.
Kerry

[Edward Dolan]

"DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In general I would say the Ed Dolan is on crack, but this is the day
> that the sun shines on that dog's ass...

Ed Dolan the Great is the mightiest genius ever to walk the earth! He is
also a Great Saint, but what would some slob known as Dennis the Bald ever
know about that. After all, he is not Great like I am.

> Cycling in NOT particularly dangerous.
>
> Motor vehicles are inherently dangerous. In the US there are about
> 44,000 fatalities caused by motor vehicle collisions every year, very
> few of these involve bikes, or peds, or horses or whatever else you
> might imagine other than motor vehicles. ...
[...]

If there were hundreds of millions of bicycles on the road with motor
vehicles we would soon see a slaughter would make the mind reel. The fact is
there are relatively few cyclists on the road with motor vehicles, and so
there are not so many deaths.

Now you know why I am a Great Genius and why Dennis the Bald is ... well,
bald!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[DennisTheBald]

> DennisTheBald
> For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
> the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if you
> fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car garage, it
> will never kill you. See:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
> This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
> live on.
> Kerry

I notice that you don't go so far as to say that car exhaust is
actually good for a body, good for you (doing so would have blown your
cover, you auto-industrial complex shill you;-). I'm still somewhat
incredulous, despite your citation. But, I am willing to acquiesce
that there has been some movement in a positive direction regarding
auto emissions in the US during the past couple decades... I wouldn't
want to get all political but there are certainly those that feel
these gains come at too high of a price and we need to operate more
like the Chinese do with fewer governmental regulations and more
conscripted labor. I am looking forward to all y'all burning less
sulfur in the diesel motor fuel when you deliver my goods.

And, even though governmental regulation is driving improvements in
the level of this one poisonous gas emitted by the motor vehicles I
don't think that you can conclude that a few failed suicide attempts
here and there make it safe to run your car in the garage. As a
matter of fact the reference you cite indicates that the subject of
this story was pulled unconscious from the garage after three hours,
most vehicles will operate for considerably longer than that on a full
tank. Also your cited report was created in 1981 testing 1980 model
chevys - I suspect that the same 1980 models would produce much more
CO if tested today. The late 70's were a period of peak
environmentalist activity, but with the 80s came Reaganomics and that
whole "greed is good" thing. Today the CDC recommends that you <not/>
operate a motor vehicle in your garage: http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm
- I believe this page to have been updated since 1981.

And I would encourage any and all motorists to test your theory by
going into the garage and fire it up.

[vernon]

"Kerry Montgomery" <kamontgo@teleport.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8681d376-16c6-41c3-be0f-f57d7583de11@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> DennisTheBald
> For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
> the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if
> you fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car garage,
> it will never kill you. See:
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
> This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
> live on.
> Kerry
>
You have too much faith in the assertions of the report.

Yes, fewer people die of carbon monoxide poisoning when attempting to kill
themselves by using car exhausts but it's still possible to to be killed by
asphyxiation if the confined space is not ventilated. Catalytic converters
removed the carbon monoxide but the carbon dioxide levels are unaffected.

In a confined unventilated space with an engine running, the oxygen levels
will drop, the carbon dioxide levels rise and any hapless mammals including
humans sharing that space will eventually suffocate due to the lack of
oxygen. It just takes longer to die but gives more opportunities for the
suicide wannabees to change their minds and do something about it. It also
increases the chances of being discovered by a third party before the
attempt succeeds.

You are all welcome to try to prove me wrong but I would recommend you try
to do it using a hands on approach....

[Tom Keats]

In article <jK6dncroM8ybutfVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>
> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8681d376-16c6-41c3-be0f-f57d7583de11@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> In general I would say the Ed Dolan is on crack, but this is the day
>> that the sun shines on that dog's ass...
>
> Ed Dolan the Great is the mightiest genius ever to walk the earth! He is
> also a Great Saint, but what would some slob known as Dennis the Bald ever
> know about that. After all, he is not Great like I am.

<sigh> Nobody understands your Erse schtick, except me.

I suppose going over the heads of people can be fun for a
while, but that would get old pretty quickly. Getting
/into/ their heads and being a positive influence is so
horribly, disgustingly, unforgivably nice. It's delightfully
Machiavellian.


cheers, & Erin go bra-less,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[DennisTheBald]

yeah, that makes so much sense, Ed...you must have gotten a fresh
supply of crack. I understand your position to be that "If there were
more bikes on the road even more motorists would be dying in fatal
auto crashes" - this is the kinda of twisted logic that I expect from
you. Your day in the sun is apparently over.

The bottom line is that automobiles are dangerous, people die while
going about in them (even when there a no bicycles within in miles of
them). People tend to kill other people while going about in them.
Just the building and operating them, even without the crashing part,
is harmful to people (despite incredible claims by industry shills
that the auto exhaust is no longer lethal!). Anybody that feels that
their operating a motor vehicle somehow makes the world less dangerous
is seriously misguided. They have probably been listening to
crackpots like Ed Dolan.

There are certainly isolated incidents where a bicyclist will injure a
pedestrian, in extremely rare instances even fatally. There is
certainly evidence that bicyclists have injured themselves, sometimes
fatally. But these are not common occurrences, even in places where
the bicycle is the most common mode of transport, and when these
events occur they tend to get a lot of press. Fatal motor vehicle
crashes are so common that they are frequently not even considered
newsworthy.

Yes, cars suck as do the people that drive them.

[Edward Dolan]

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:t3bd2g.ml.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <jK6dncroM8ybutfVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>
>> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8681d376-16c6-41c3-be0f-f57d7583de11@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> In general I would say the Ed Dolan is on crack, but this is the day
>>> that the sun shines on that dog's ass...
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great is the mightiest genius ever to walk the earth! He is
>> also a Great Saint, but what would some slob known as Dennis the Bald
>> ever
>> know about that. After all, he is not Great like I am.
>
> <sigh> Nobody understands your Erse schtick, except me.
>
> I suppose going over the heads of people can be fun for a
> while, but that would get old pretty quickly. Getting
> /into/ their heads and being a positive influence is so
> horribly, disgustingly, unforgivably nice. It's delightfully
> Machiavellian.

It IS fun to put down anyone who takes these confounded newsgroups the least
bit serious. Tom Keats is one of the few who gets it. Like me, he is a
philosopher at heart. He has gotten that way from hard work on the docks of
old Vancouver. I have gotten that way from contemplating my navel all of my
life and never doing one lick of work. He is not as Great as I am, but he is
not altogether negligible either.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"vernon" <publicity_shy@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kerry Montgomery" <kamontgo@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:nMGdnUzhJ5RbP9TVnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>
>> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8681d376-16c6-41c3-be0f-f57d7583de11@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> DennisTheBald
>> For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
>> the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if
>> you fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car
>> garage, it will never kill you. See:
>> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
>> This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
>> live on.
>> Kerry
>>
> You have too much faith in the assertions of the report.
>
> Yes, fewer people die of carbon monoxide poisoning when attempting to kill
> themselves by using car exhausts but it's still possible to to be killed
> by asphyxiation if the confined space is not ventilated. Catalytic
> converters removed the carbon monoxide but the carbon dioxide levels are
> unaffected.
>
> In a confined unventilated space with an engine running, the oxygen levels
> will drop, the carbon dioxide levels rise and any hapless mammals
> including humans sharing that space will eventually suffocate due to the
> lack of oxygen. It just takes longer to die but gives more opportunities
> for the suicide wannabees to change their minds and do something about it.
> It also increases the chances of being discovered by a third party before
> the attempt succeeds.
>
> You are all welcome to try to prove me wrong but I would recommend you try
> to do it using a hands on approach....

For heaven's sakes, the only way to kill yourself is to go down to your dirt
floor basement and hang yourself from the rafters. No one has any sense of
style anymore. Either do it right, or don't do it at all!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
WHICH HE IS RESPONDING! WHAT AN IDIOT!

> yeah, that makes so much sense, Ed...you must have gotten a fresh
> supply of crack. I understand your position to be that "If there were
> more bikes on the road even more motorists would be dying in fatal
> auto crashes" - this is the kinda of twisted logic that I expect from
> you. Your day in the sun is apparently over.

The only logic that is twisted is yours - you ****ing idiot!

> The bottom line is that automobiles are dangerous, people die while
> going about in them (even when there a no bicycles within in miles of
> them). People tend to kill other people while going about in them.
> Just the building and operating them, even without the crashing part,
> is harmful to people (despite incredible claims by industry shills
> that the auto exhaust is no longer lethal!). Anybody that feels that
> their operating a motor vehicle somehow makes the world less dangerous
> is seriously misguided. They have probably been listening to
> crackpots like Ed Dolan.

The only crackpot here is you - you ****ing idiot!

> There are certainly isolated incidents where a bicyclist will injure a
> pedestrian, in extremely rare instances even fatally. There is
> certainly evidence that bicyclists have injured themselves, sometimes
> fatally. But these are not common occurrences, even in places where
> the bicycle is the most common mode of transport, and when these
> events occur they tend to get a lot of press. Fatal motor vehicle
> crashes are so common that they are frequently not even considered
> newsworthy.

No one on these cycling newsgroups gives a good god damn about how motor
vehicles fare. We only care about how cyclists fare when confronted with
motor vehicles - you ****ing idiot!

> Yes, cars suck as do the people that drive them.

You are the biggest suck of them all - you ****ing idiot!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[DennisTheBald]

On Jun 17, 11:44 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheB...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c753984c-c6b2-47b3-8053-acc2110d5b05@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
> WHICH HE IS RESPONDING! WHAT AN IDIOT!
>
> > yeah, that makes so much sense, Ed...you must have gotten a fresh
> > supply of crack. I understand your position to be that "If there were
> > more bikes on the road even more motorists would be dying in fatal
> > auto crashes" - this is the kinda of twisted logic that I expect from
> > you. Your day in the sun is apparently over.
>
> The only logic that is twisted is yours - you ****ing idiot!
>
> > The bottom line is that automobiles are dangerous, people die while
> > going about in them (even when there a no bicycles within in miles of
> > them). People tend to kill other people while going about in them.
> > Just the building and operating them, even without the crashing part,
> > is harmful to people (despite incredible claims by industry shills
> > that the auto exhaust is no longer lethal!). Anybody that feels that
> > their operating a motor vehicle somehow makes the world less dangerous
> > is seriously misguided. They have probably been listening to
> > crackpots like Ed Dolan.
>
> The only crackpot here is you - you ****ing idiot!
>
> > There are certainly isolated incidents where a bicyclist will injure a
> > pedestrian, in extremely rare instances even fatally. There is
> > certainly evidence that bicyclists have injured themselves, sometimes
> > fatally. But these are not common occurrences, even in places where
> > the bicycle is the most common mode of transport, and when these
> > events occur they tend to get a lot of press. Fatal motor vehicle
> > crashes are so common that they are frequently not even considered
> > newsworthy.
>
> No one on these cycling newsgroups gives a good god damn about how motor
> vehicles fare. We only care about how cyclists fare when confronted with
> motor vehicles - you ****ing idiot!
>
> > Yes, cars suck as do the people that drive them.
>
> You are the biggest suck of them all - you ****ing idiot!
>
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

There is a ****ing idiot trolling this group alrighty, but is YOU.

You and your claim that bicycles add the danger to the equation. How
can you possibly twist it around that way? you stupid bastard!

Cars are dangerous and the people that drive 'em are murderous ****
heads and you are the smallest of them all.

[DennisTheBald]

On Jun 17, 11:44 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheB...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c753984c-c6b2-47b3-8053-acc2110d5b05@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
> WHICH HE IS RESPONDING! WHAT AN IDIOT!
>
> > yeah, that makes so much sense, Ed...you must have gotten a fresh
> > supply of crack. I understand your position to be that "If there were
> > more bikes on the road even more motorists would be dying in fatal
> > auto crashes" - this is the kinda of twisted logic that I expect from
> > you. Your day in the sun is apparently over.
>
> The only logic that is twisted is yours - you ****ing idiot!
>
> > The bottom line is that automobiles are dangerous, people die while
> > going about in them (even when there a no bicycles within in miles of
> > them). People tend to kill other people while going about in them.
> > Just the building and operating them, even without the crashing part,
> > is harmful to people (despite incredible claims by industry shills
> > that the auto exhaust is no longer lethal!). Anybody that feels that
> > their operating a motor vehicle somehow makes the world less dangerous
> > is seriously misguided. They have probably been listening to
> > crackpots like Ed Dolan.
>
> The only crackpot here is you - you ****ing idiot!
>
> > There are certainly isolated incidents where a bicyclist will injure a
> > pedestrian, in extremely rare instances even fatally. There is
> > certainly evidence that bicyclists have injured themselves, sometimes
> > fatally. But these are not common occurrences, even in places where
> > the bicycle is the most common mode of transport, and when these
> > events occur they tend to get a lot of press. Fatal motor vehicle
> > crashes are so common that they are frequently not even considered
> > newsworthy.
>
> No one on these cycling newsgroups gives a good god damn about how motor
> vehicles fare. We only care about how cyclists fare when confronted with
> motor vehicles - you ****ing idiot!
>
> > Yes, cars suck as do the people that drive them.
>
> You are the biggest suck of them all - you ****ing idiot!
>
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

oh yes, I sincerely doubt that anyone, anywhere, news group or else
where, gives a good God damn about you at all. Why don't you knock
back a few and go for a drive, *****.

[Edward Dolan]

"DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 17, 11:44 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheB...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c753984c-c6b2-47b3-8053-acc2110d5b05@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
>> WHICH HE IS RESPONDING! WHAT AN IDIOT!
>>
>> > yeah, that makes so much sense, Ed...you must have gotten a fresh
>> > supply of crack. I understand your position to be that "If there were
>> > more bikes on the road even more motorists would be dying in fatal
>> > auto crashes" - this is the kinda of twisted logic that I expect from
>> > you. Your day in the sun is apparently over.
>>
>> The only logic that is twisted is yours - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> > The bottom line is that automobiles are dangerous, people die while
>> > going about in them (even when there a no bicycles within in miles of
>> > them). People tend to kill other people while going about in them.
>> > Just the building and operating them, even without the crashing part,
>> > is harmful to people (despite incredible claims by industry shills
>> > that the auto exhaust is no longer lethal!). Anybody that feels that
>> > their operating a motor vehicle somehow makes the world less dangerous
>> > is seriously misguided. They have probably been listening to
>> > crackpots like Ed Dolan.
>>
>> The only crackpot here is you - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> > There are certainly isolated incidents where a bicyclist will injure a
>> > pedestrian, in extremely rare instances even fatally. There is
>> > certainly evidence that bicyclists have injured themselves, sometimes
>> > fatally. But these are not common occurrences, even in places where
>> > the bicycle is the most common mode of transport, and when these
>> > events occur they tend to get a lot of press. Fatal motor vehicle
>> > crashes are so common that they are frequently not even considered
>> > newsworthy.
>>
>> No one on these cycling newsgroups gives a good god damn about how motor
>> vehicles fare. We only care about how cyclists fare when confronted with
>> motor vehicles - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> > Yes, cars suck as do the people that drive them.
>>
>> You are the biggest suck of them all - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> ****ing Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> There is a ****ing idiot trolling this group alrighty, but is YOU.

At least you are now posting in the correct form. It will be my delight to
call you an idiot each and every time you top post.

> You and your claim that bicycles add the danger to the equation. How
> can you possibly twist it around that way? you stupid bastard!

Now all you need to do is to stop drinking before you get online. However, I
doubt you will even make any sense sober.

> Cars are dangerous and the people that drive 'em are murderous ****
> heads and you are the smallest of them all.

I am not defending motorists. I am trying to keep cyclists from getting
killed by them. We need our own bike paths in metro areas. It is dangerous
for cyclists to be on the road with motorists.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"DennisTheBald" <DennisTheBald@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:58fee3d8-7511-492c-8f9a-abe0617b4067@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 17, 11:44 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "DennisTheBald" <DennisTheB...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c753984c-c6b2-47b3-8053-acc2110d5b05@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
>> WHICH HE IS RESPONDING! WHAT AN IDIOT!
>>
>> > yeah, that makes so much sense, Ed...you must have gotten a fresh
>> > supply of crack. I understand your position to be that "If there were
>> > more bikes on the road even more motorists would be dying in fatal
>> > auto crashes" - this is the kinda of twisted logic that I expect from
>> > you. Your day in the sun is apparently over.
>>
>> The only logic that is twisted is yours - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> > The bottom line is that automobiles are dangerous, people die while
>> > going about in them (even when there a no bicycles within in miles of
>> > them). People tend to kill other people while going about in them.
>> > Just the building and operating them, even without the crashing part,
>> > is harmful to people (despite incredible claims by industry shills
>> > that the auto exhaust is no longer lethal!). Anybody that feels that
>> > their operating a motor vehicle somehow makes the world less dangerous
>> > is seriously misguided. They have probably been listening to
>> > crackpots like Ed Dolan.
>>
>> The only crackpot here is you - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> > There are certainly isolated incidents where a bicyclist will injure a
>> > pedestrian, in extremely rare instances even fatally. There is
>> > certainly evidence that bicyclists have injured themselves, sometimes
>> > fatally. But these are not common occurrences, even in places where
>> > the bicycle is the most common mode of transport, and when these
>> > events occur they tend to get a lot of press. Fatal motor vehicle
>> > crashes are so common that they are frequently not even considered
>> > newsworthy.
>>
>> No one on these cycling newsgroups gives a good god damn about how motor
>> vehicles fare. We only care about how cyclists fare when confronted with
>> motor vehicles - you ****ing idiot!
>>
>> > Yes, cars suck as do the people that drive them.
>>
>> You are the biggest suck of them all - you ****ing idiot!
>
> oh yes, I sincerely doubt that anyone, anywhere, news group or else
> where, gives a good God damn about you at all. Why don't you knock
> back a few and go for a drive, *****.

How many times do I have to tell you to stop drinking before you go online?
Since you are one ****ing idiot, I don't understand why you don't get
sufficient pleasure from doing it to yourself. Why bother the honorable
members of these noble newsgroups with your drivel. At least run your
messages past your ***** of a wife before you post to Usenet - you ****ing
idiot!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota