TUFO Tires - Pros & Cons ???

[Maple Tree]

Hello,

What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?

http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33

Thanks

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Jun 8, 3:24*pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>

The "pro" is that they are called TUFO because they
are made out of TOFU. Therefore, if you have a breakdown
in the middle of nowhere and run the risk of starving
to death, you can eat the spare tire that you have
thoughtfully brought.

There are two cons:

1. The exceptional strength of TUFO tires makes them
effective for garrotting people who continue to crosspost
their tech questions that have nothing to do with racing
to both r.b.racing and r.b.tech.

2. You can't fix a flat in a TUFO "tubular-clincher" tire by
simply removing and replacing the tube, so these are the
one type of tire where you have to either use and trust
the sealant or actually carry a whole spare tire (and tube).

Ben
RBR Order of Assassins

[jim beam]

Maple Tree wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> Thanks
>
>


regardless of anything else, my experience with them has been that of
the most puncture prone tire i've ever used.

[andresmuro@aol.com]

On Jun 8, 4:24 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> Thanks

The pro to the "Tufo company", is that they are very expensive, and
they make a lot of $$$$. The con to you is that they cost a lot of
money and they have no noticeable advantage over other tires.

[Kinky Cowboy]

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:24:06 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
>Thanks

Pro - light, ideal for weight weenie bikes which only have to perform
on the scales

Con - rolling resistance, up to 10W more power loss in the tyres at
25mph compared with the best clinchers

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[Kevin Metcalfe]

Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.

http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm

Kevin

Maple Tree wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> Thanks

[Tom Kunich]

<andresmuro@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 8, 4:24 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>
>> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>>
>> Thanks
>
> The pro to the "Tufo company", is that they are very expensive, and
> they make a lot of $$$$. The con to you is that they cost a lot of
> money and they have no noticeable advantage over other tires.

And they are very difficult to repair. Unless you like a pint of liquid
floating around in your tires.

[Maple Tree]

"Kinky Cowboy" <user@domain.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:24:06 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>
>>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>>
>>Thanks
>
> Pro - light, ideal for weight weenie bikes which only have to perform
> on the scales
>
> Con - rolling resistance, up to 10W more power loss in the tyres at
> 25mph compared with the best clinchers

Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?

>
> Kinky Cowboy*
>
> *Batteries not included
> May contain traces of nuts
> Your milage may vary
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jun 9, 4:24*am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:

> Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?

You said "Tufo" and there were no ringing endorsements on the first
round.

Google "Tufo tire rolling resistance" or some such? --D-y

[Kinky Cowboy]

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 05:24:06 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>"Kinky Cowboy" <user@domain.com> wrote in message
>news:4tnp44hrd6sd54sl22e6o4iv5522po22uc@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:24:06 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>>
>>>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>> Pro - light, ideal for weight weenie bikes which only have to perform
>> on the scales
>>
>> Con - rolling resistance, up to 10W more power loss in the tyres at
>> 25mph compared with the best clinchers
>
>Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?
>

http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm

e.g.
Tufo Elite Jet clincher 17.2W per tyre at 25mph
Bontrager Race X Lite Pro 12.0W per tyre 25mph

Note: 10W is more than the aero difference between a cheap Shimano
R560 wheel and a Zipp 808. In other words, if you fit Tufos to Zipp
808s, somebody can beat you with a $150 wheelset by choosing the right
tyres. Also, for any practical combination of slope and speed, the
Tufos would need to weigh less than zero to overcome their
deficiencies against any of the good ~200g racing clinchers from
Bontrager, Michelin, Vittoria, Veloflex

Other results from the same test series:

1: Even at 200psi, the Tufo can't match the Bontrager at 120psi. These
are smooth drum tests; I leave it to the usual argumentors to
determine how bad things would get on real roads if you had to run
200psi to be competitive :-)

2: The rolling resistance of Tufos gets worse after being repaired
(whereas a replacement tube is as good as the old one)

On the other hand, if you're only concerned with a pissing contest
with other weight weenies, the Tufo Elite Jet is 20-40g lighter per
wheel than the nearest competitor, so it has that going for it

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[Maple Tree]

<dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 4:24 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:

> Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?

You said "Tufo" and there were no ringing endorsements on the first
round.

Google "Tufo tire rolling resistance" or some such? --D-y

why don't you or some such?

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jun 9, 8:01*am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d0db62e7-b716-44d4-8b6f-639c4d1e7a95@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 4:24 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?
>
> You said "Tufo" and there were no ringing endorsements on the first
> round.
>
> Google "Tufo tire rolling resistance" or some such? *--D-y
>
> why don't you or some such?

Go buy a few sets and become your own expert, is all I can say.

Maybe you'll LIKE them! Some do. --D-y

[Maple Tree]

<dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 8:01 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d0db62e7-b716-44d4-8b6f-639c4d1e7a95@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 4:24 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?
>
> You said "Tufo" and there were no ringing endorsements on the first
> round.
>
> Google "Tufo tire rolling resistance" or some such? --D-y
>
> why don't you or some such?

Go buy a few sets and become your own expert, is all I can say.

Maybe you'll LIKE them! Some do. --D-y

Possible, that is why I am asking riders with experience.

[RicodJour]

On Jun 9, 11:23 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d6d7eb4b-eb84-4d72-afce-bf6d407de322@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 8:01 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d0db62e7-b716-44d4-8b6f-639c4d1e7a95@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 9, 4:24 am, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi, can you show me the study that supports what you are stating?
>
> > You said "Tufo" and there were no ringing endorsements on the first
> > round.
>
> > Google "Tufo tire rolling resistance" or some such? --D-y
>
> > why don't you or some such?
>
> Go buy a few sets and become your own expert, is all I can say.
>
> Maybe you'll LIKE them! Some do. --D-y
>
> Possible, that is why I am asking riders with experience.

http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wheels/tires-tubular/tufo/PRD_291919_5681crx.aspx

R

[Tom Kunich]

"Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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>
> Possible, that is why I am asking riders with experience.

All kidding aside - they mount somewhat difficult. No big deal. However, the
mount high on the rim and if you aren't nervous that they are essentially
held on only with some air pressure and those somewhat questionable lips on
the edge of the tire then perhaps you ought to have a hobby with something
less likely to get you hurt.

I bought a set and they're still down in my garage. I could never bring
myself to actually ride something that can flat easily and can only be
repaired with Slime. And might skip off of the rim in a hard cornering
situation. I had enough problems worrying about sewups (ever see the crash
video of Beloki?) and don't need the additional worry while trying to match
Jobst's speed down hills.

[Tom Kunich]

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wheels/tires-tubular/tufo/PRD_291919_5681crx.aspx

Did you notice that the longest time anyone used them was about 1000 miles?
And they all talked about flats?

[landotter]

On Jun 9, 10:53*am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote in message
>
> news:_dSdnUeQc8wS1NDVnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
>
>
> > Possible, that is why I am asking riders with experience.
>
> All kidding aside - they mount somewhat difficult. No big deal. However, the
> mount high on the rim and if you aren't nervous that they are essentially
> held on only with some air pressure and those somewhat questionable lips on
> the edge of the tire then perhaps you ought to have a hobby with something
> less likely to get you hurt.

Why make such a statement when you have no evidence to back it up? One
of the best reasons to run Tufos is their safety. If you do suffer a
puncture with them, they promise to deflate more slowly and stay on
the rim more securely than clinchers and can even be ridden totally
flat in an emergency.

>
> I bought a set and they're still down in my garage. I could never bring
> myself to actually ride something that can flat easily and can only be
> repaired with Slime.

I've been intrigued by these tires--the reviews have mostly claimed
average flat resistance to slightly above average and with pre-sliming
that goes up quite a bit. Not surprising considering the extraordinary
thread count and puncture resistant contruction.

>And might skip off of the rim in a hard cornering
> situation.

Evidence?

> I had enough problems worrying about sewups (ever see the crash
> video of Beloki?) and don't need the additional worry while trying to match
> Jobst's speed down hills.

If I was in the habit of throwing myself down alpine hills--I very
well might find Tufos to be worth the price. At $50 per at
biketiresdirect, they're not terribly dear, and they do offer some
rather compelling safety advantages, resistance to pinch flats, if no
palpable performance benefit.

[landotter]

On Jun 9, 10:57*am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b8b98115-733b-471b-a308-606ee23ed2d7@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wheels/tires-tubular/tufo/PRD_29191...
>
> Did you notice that the longest time anyone used them was about 1000 miles?
> And they all talked about flats?

No they didn't--a couple guys got flats and remarked on how nicely the
sealant worked. One guy got a larger flat that was too large for the
sealant to permanently fix--it still got him home. Might want to try
reading the links next time.

[RicodJour]

On Jun 9, 11:57 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/wheels/tires-tubular/tufo/PRD_29191...
>
> Did you notice that the longest time anyone used them was about 1000 miles?
> And they all talked about flats?

That's the usual case with the reviews on that site - a lot of people
post initial experiences instead of long term. On the flip side,
people are much quicker to post negative feedback, and the Tufo's
wasn't horrible. There were only a few reviews for that particular
Tufo, but one guy said he got 3000 on the front and 2200 on the rear
(I think - tough to tell as he appears to have left out the word
'rear').

I think the OP should buy one and test it himself. I've had products
which I liked which I would never would have bought if I read the
reviews beforehand.

R

[Tom Kunich]

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I think the OP should buy one and test it himself. I've had products
> which I liked which I would never would have bought if I read the
> reviews beforehand.

If I'd have thought about it I'd never have bought a set in the first place.
Listening to people here talk about how they stick to the rims is well and
fine unless you've had a tire come off of your rim at one time or another.

[Maple Tree]

Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
retailers ??

Thank you

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT), landotter
<landotter@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>I've been intrigued by these tires--the reviews have mostly claimed
>average flat resistance to slightly above average and with pre-sliming
>that goes up quite a bit. Not surprising considering the extraordinary
>thread count and puncture resistant contruction.

[snip]

Dear LD,

The extraordinary 440 tpi thread count claim is probably achieved by
combining a pair of 220 tpi layers--that's what got Tufo in trouble
previously.

Other manufacturers who make true ~300 tpi tires were polite, but kept
pointing out that they counted their high tpi tires the normal way,
unlike a certain other company.

The Tufo claim was just marketing gone insane. They might as well have
advertised wearing two pairs of lycra shorts to achieve the smooth
feel of silk.

Here's an old post with more details:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/ca02260c8c801dd5

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[RicodJour]

On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
> retailers ??

Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
why Google doesn't work for you.
http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dealers.php?country=Canada

You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
(except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
retailers? Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
on people that ask odd questions. :)~

R

[Maple Tree]

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
>> retailers ??
>
> Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
> why Google doesn't work for you.
> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dealers.php?country=Canada
>
> You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
> tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
> (except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
> why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
> retailers? Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
> on people that ask odd questions. :)~
>
> R

You should write a paper on A$$holes...it would make a great autobiography
:(~

MT

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:24:33 -0400, "Maple Tree" <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>news:9fc8fc8b-5d92-4dd1-8c9b-735fbee01716@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
>>> retailers ??
>>
>> Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
>> why Google doesn't work for you.
>> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dealers.php?country=Canada
>>
>> You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
>> tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
>> (except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
>> why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
>> retailers? Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
>> on people that ask odd questions. :)~
>>
>> R
>
>You should write a paper on A$$holes...it would make a great autobiography

At least he knows how to use the google.

[Maple Tree]

>
> Maple Tree wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>
>> http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>>
>> Thanks

"Kevin Metcalfe" <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> Kevin

Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
others.

[RicodJour]

On Jun 9, 5:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > Maple Tree wrote:
> >> Hello,
>
> >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> >> Thanks
> "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> > Kevin
>
> Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
> others.

Why don't you just hoist them up and buy a pair?* Then you can post
something meaningful. Or at least your approximation of
meaningful. ;)

R

* I meant a pair of Tufo tires in case you were wondering.

[Kevin Metcalfe]

On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > Maple Tree wrote:
> >> Hello,
>
> >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> >> Thanks
> "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> > Kevin
>
> Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
> others.

The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
pit...

Kevin

[dustoyevsky@mac.com]

On Jun 9, 5:07*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:24:33 -0400, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> >"RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:9fc8fc8b-5d92-4dd1-8c9b-735fbee01716@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jun 9, 2:10 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, what is the cheapest price for TUFO tires from Canadian Internet
> >>> retailers ??
>
> >> Hmmm, you seem to have an internet connection, so I can't understand
> >> why Google doesn't work for you.
> >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/dealers.php?country=Canada
>
> >> You've gotten limited response to your original question about Tufo
> >> tires, most were less than glowing, and most posters are in the US
> >> (except for those wacky Euro bastards who shall not be mentioned), so
> >> why would you think that you'd get a meaningful response on Canadian
> >> retailers? *Don't take this as an attack, I'm doing a research paper
> >> on people that ask odd questions. *:)~
>
> >> R
>
> >You should write a paper on A$$holes...it would make a great autobiography
>
> At least he knows how to use the google.

Well, he got in here somehow (that should step on a few toes), even
though anonymous (few more). Oops, I did it again.

Point being, he wants someone to send him a couple of pairs, free/
postpaid, and then sue the sender & hiers when they are not the tires
of his dreams. And call up the Mounties if one of them blows off at
220 (duh) lbs.

And yeah, I think that's a real fair assessment. Since he didn't
google the group for the info he wanted in the first place, and had a
hissy (or was that pi$$y) fit when I suggested such.

Tufo has been through rbt. They went through Austin, too, some years
ago. One apparently successful application, at least in my limited
time observing, was at Alkek velodrome in Houston, where the S3 or
whatever the name of that red tubular was, 165g or similar, was a tire
of choice ca. 2000. But that's a "miss" for the road semi-tubular
clincher tire.

The "concept" is attractive. Maybe compelling. Some use and enjoy.
Only way to find out if you're one of the lucky few is to buy a set
and proceed to Beta testing, see if you can make them work for you (or
else!). --D-y

[Tom Kunich]

"Kevin Metcalfe" <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
> certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
> pit...

For those not in the know - Kevin is an ex-pro and also very high on the
knowledge index.

[Howard Kveck]

In article <45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372786@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Kevin Metcalfe <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > > Maple Tree wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> >
> > >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
> >
> > >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
> >
> > >> Thanks
> > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
> >
> > >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
> >
> > > Kevin
> >
> > Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
> > others.
>
> The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
> certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
> pit...

Pit? Wha???

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Kurgan Gringioni]

On Jun 9, 6:43*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372786@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> > weight of the tires they are compared against. *So, half the weight,
> > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> > comparable rolling resistance. *Make sure you've got wheels in the
> > pit...
>
> For those not in the know - Kevin is an ex-pro and also very high on the
> knowledge index.




Dumbass -


There's no way he knows as much as a bike racing expert like yourself.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[RicodJour]

On Jun 9, 9:45 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> > weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
> > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> > comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
> > pit...
>
> Pit? Wha???

Channeling NASCAR, I think.

> tanx,
> Howard
>
> The bloody pubs are bloody dull
> The bloody clubs are bloody full
> Of bloody girls and bloody guys
> With bloody murder in their eyes
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

stuck in ****ing chicken town

R

[Kevin Metcalfe]

On Jun 9, 6:45 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > > > Maple Tree wrote:
> > > >> Hello,
>
> > > >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> > > >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> > > >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> > > > Kevin
>
> > > Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to the
> > > others.
>
> > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> > weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
> > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> > comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
> > pit...
>
> Pit? Wha???
>

I figured that since this was rec.bicycles.RACING that most people
would have knowledge of an event called a CRITERIUM which is in fact a
bicycle RACE. Said race, is known for having a repository for spare
wheels, often times called a wheel PIT. It's hard to confirm, but
reports are that RACERS have been know to actually put their spare
wheels in the PIT so that when they get a puncture (also called a flat
tire) in said criterium, they can proceed to the PIT (don't reverse
course though, except at Sommerville...). Once in the PIT, these
bicycle RACERS have been known to trade the flat, or punctured tire in
for one that is still holding air and rejoin the race with no penalty.

I hope that helps.

Kevin (who was never actually a pro, just a relatively okay regional
racer, but who is now a masters fattie) Metcalfe

[Howard Kveck]

In article <819f5b4c-68f9-4e64-b884-a4779931c4dd@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> > The bloody pubs are bloody dull
> > The bloody clubs are bloody full
> > Of bloody girls and bloody guys
> > With bloody murder in their eyes

> stuck in ****ing chicken town

We have a winnah... Probably my favorite JCC piece is "Hire Car" - I once worked
for a guy who went on a trip and did pretty much everything in Clarke's list.

http://www.johncooperclarke.com/Pages/hirecar.htm

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Howard Kveck]

In article <b888544f-db72-4dd3-aaed-6c5912088f46@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Kevin Metcalfe <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jun 9, 6:45 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > > > > Maple Tree wrote:
> > > > >> Hello,
> >
> > > > >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
> >
> > > > >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
> >
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
> >
> > > > >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
> >
> > > > > Kevin
> >
> > > > Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to
> > > > the
> > > > others.
> >
> > > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> > > weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
> > > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> > > comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
> > > pit...
> >
> > Pit? Wha???
> >
>
> I figured that since this was rec.bicycles.RACING that most people
> would have knowledge of an event called a CRITERIUM which is in fact a
> bicycle RACE. Said race, is known for having a repository for spare
> wheels, often times called a wheel PIT. It's hard to confirm, but
> reports are that RACERS have been know to actually put their spare
> wheels in the PIT so that when they get a puncture (also called a flat
> tire) in said criterium, they can proceed to the PIT (don't reverse
> course though, except at Sommerville...). Once in the PIT, these
> bicycle RACERS have been known to trade the flat, or punctured tire in
> for one that is still holding air and rejoin the race with no penalty.
>
> I hope that helps.

It should help Mrs. Butterworth, the OP. I was kidding (and should have been a bit
more explicit about it), as a few days ago he spent some time talking about how he
needed his bike to be very light (while finding a way to pack a spare tire onboard)
and finally revealing himself to be a recreational rider. While there's nothing wrong
with being a recreational rider (I are one too), he persists in crossposting these
things into RBR.

By the way, I remember seeing you race out at Hellyer many times back in the '90s.
Do you still get out there much?

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Tom Kunich]

"Kevin Metcalfe" <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b888544f-db72-4dd3-aaed-6c5912088f46@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Kevin (who was never actually a pro, just a relatively okay regional
> racer, but who is now a masters fattie) Metcalfe

You'll excuse me Kevin, I mistook the US Postal uniform....

[Kerry Montgomery]

"Kevin Metcalfe" <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b888544f-db72-4dd3-aaed-6c5912088f46@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 6:45 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> > > > Maple Tree wrote:
>> > > >> Hello,
>>
>> > > >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>
>> > > >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>>
>> > > >> Thanks
>> > > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>>
>> > > >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>>
>> > > > Kevin
>>
>> > > Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to
>> > > the
>> > > others.
>>
>> > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
>> > weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
>> > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
>> > comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
>> > pit...
>>
>> Pit? Wha???
>>
>
> I figured that since this was rec.bicycles.RACING that most people
> would have knowledge of an event called a CRITERIUM which is in fact a
> bicycle RACE. Said race, is known for having a repository for spare
> wheels, often times called a wheel PIT. It's hard to confirm, but
> reports are that RACERS have been know to actually put their spare
> wheels in the PIT so that when they get a puncture (also called a flat
> tire) in said criterium, they can proceed to the PIT (don't reverse
> course though, except at Sommerville...). Once in the PIT, these
> bicycle RACERS have been known to trade the flat, or punctured tire in
> for one that is still holding air and rejoin the race with no penalty.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Kevin (who was never actually a pro, just a relatively okay regional
> racer, but who is now a masters fattie) Metcalfe

Kevin,
This thread is being cross-posted to rec.bicycles.tech, which has some
contributors who are not racers or even RACERS.
Kerry

[Howard Kveck]

In article <00ce815e-0820-4dc5-8f98-1bc654d7e4d1@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 9, 6:43*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372786@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> > > weight of the tires they are compared against. *So, half the weight,
> > > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> > > comparable rolling resistance. *Make sure you've got wheels in the
> > > pit...
> >
> > For those not in the know - Kevin is an ex-pro and also very high on the
> > knowledge index.
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> There's no way he knows as much as a bike racing expert like yourself.

Don't sell Tom short - he's an expert in *all* fields.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Kevin Metcalfe]

On Jun 9, 8:49 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <b888544f-db72-4dd3-aaed-6c5912088...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 6:45 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Maple Tree wrote:
> > > > > >> Hello,
>
> > > > > >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>
> > > > > >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>
> > > > > >> Thanks
> > > > > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>
> > > > > >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>
> > > > > > Kevin
>
> > > > > Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to
> > > > > the
> > > > > others.
>
> > > > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
> > > > weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
> > > > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
> > > > comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
> > > > pit...
>
> > > Pit? Wha???
>
> > I figured that since this was rec.bicycles.RACING that most people
> > would have knowledge of an event called a CRITERIUM which is in fact a
> > bicycle RACE. Said race, is known for having a repository for spare
> > wheels, often times called a wheel PIT. It's hard to confirm, but
> > reports are that RACERS have been know to actually put their spare
> > wheels in the PIT so that when they get a puncture (also called a flat
> > tire) in said criterium, they can proceed to the PIT (don't reverse
> > course though, except at Sommerville...). Once in the PIT, these
> > bicycle RACERS have been known to trade the flat, or punctured tire in
> > for one that is still holding air and rejoin the race with no penalty.
>
> > I hope that helps.
>
> It should help Mrs. Butterworth, the OP. I was kidding (and should have been a bit
> more explicit about it), as a few days ago he spent some time talking about how he
> needed his bike to be very light (while finding a way to pack a spare tire onboard)
> and finally revealing himself to be a recreational rider. While there's nothing wrong
> with being a recreational rider (I are one too), he persists in crossposting these
> things into RBR.
>
> By the way, I remember seeing you race out at Hellyer many times back in the '90s.
> Do you still get out there much?
>

I haven't raced on the track in about six or seven years. With geezer
track nationals at Hellyer this year I am planning to get back on the
track. Though I will need to procure a track bike some time between
now and then...

Do they still turn left on the track? :-)

Kevin (don't forget to pedal) Metcalfe

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:31:28 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
<kamontgo@teleport.com> wrote:

>
>"Kevin Metcalfe" <nslckevin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b888544f-db72-4dd3-aaed-6c5912088f46@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 9, 6:45 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <45c2ed46-8473-4c4e-b14e-a025e7372...@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Kevin Metcalfe <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jun 9, 2:07 pm, "Maple Tree" <n...@none.com> wrote:
>>> > > > Maple Tree wrote:
>>> > > >> Hello,
>>>
>>> > > >> What are the Pros & Cons for TUFO Road Tires?
>>>
>>> > > >>http://www.tufonorthamerica.com/tires/elite.php?seriesid=33
>>>
>>> > > >> Thanks
>>> > > "Kevin Metcalfe" <nslcke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> > >news:18e4d0ff-6594-4b4a-abba-d6ca7d74bb06@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > > > Cons: Crappy rolling resistance for the most part.
>>>
>>> > > >http://www.biketechreview.com/tires/AFM_tire_crr.htm
>>>
>>> > > > Kevin
>>>
>>> > > Depends on the TUFO tire make and they seems competitive compared to
>>> > > the
>>> > > others.
>>>
>>> > The only ones that are in the ball park are approximately half the
>>> > weight of the tires they are compared against. So, half the weight,
>>> > certainly at least some decrease in reliability, only to get
>>> > comparable rolling resistance. Make sure you've got wheels in the
>>> > pit...
>>>
>>> Pit? Wha???
>>>
>>
>> I figured that since this was rec.bicycles.RACING that most people
>> would have knowledge of an event called a CRITERIUM which is in fact a
>> bicycle RACE. Said race, is known for having a repository for spare
>> wheels, often times called a wheel PIT. It's hard to confirm, but
>> reports are that RACERS have been know to actually put their spare
>> wheels in the PIT so that when they get a puncture (also called a flat
>> tire) in said criterium, they can proceed to the PIT (don't reverse
>> course though, except at Sommerville...). Once in the PIT, these
>> bicycle RACERS have been known to trade the flat, or punctured tire in
>> for one that is still holding air and rejoin the race with no penalty.
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> Kevin (who was never actually a pro, just a relatively okay regional
>> racer, but who is now a masters fattie) Metcalfe
>
>Kevin,
>This thread is being cross-posted to rec.bicycles.tech, which has some
>contributors who are not racers or even RACERS.
>Kerry

TUFOs are racing tires. Racing tech discussion is on-topic for rbt.

[Donald Munro]

Kevin Metcalfe wrote:
> Do they still turn left on the track? :-)

Accelerating in the corners is not allowed.