Edward Dolan
12-31-1969, 08:00 PM
"Wilson" <ww@dixiedancekings.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>> Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Consider sky diving. If you land safely it isn't particularly
>>> dangerous. If you don't land safely it can be extremely dangerous.
>>> There's little middle ground for other outcomes.
>>
>> You can say the same about transatlantic air travel: if the airliner
>> crashes into the sea then your chances are not good (!), but that's not
>> enough reason to state that transatlantic air travel is dangerous.
>>
>>> You consider the the safety ramifications and then you take your
>>> chances.
>>
>> And whether to take the chances is based on the overall odds, not the
>> worst case outcome.
>>
>
> I think you've got it Pete. Any outcome other than a safe landing is a
> worst case outcome. There's no room for alternate outcomes. If airplanes
> always landed safely you could say flying was essentially a perfectly safe
> activity. But they don't. You might feel safe in a commercial airliner,
> but decline to fly with an Alaska bush pilot who flies into wilderness
> areas where there are no airports. You consider the safety ramifications
> and you take your chances.
>
> I'm not telling you not to cycle on the road, I'm only suggesting if you
> do and you get run over by a bus there's every likelihood it will be your
> last ride. So do whatever you can to avoid that eventuality. To me this
> is common sense stuff. You know like maybe not wearing a helmet when you
> ride - you consider the safety ramifications and you take your chances.
Jon Meinecke and Peter Clinch are both a couple of supreme idiots. They
advocate rules of the road which will cause the death of cyclists. There
ought to be a law against such numskulls. But on Usenet anyone is free to
say any fool thing that enters into their heads.
The two idiots named above both like to cite statistics which purportedly
show that cycling is one of the safest things that you can be doing. Yea,
ride on the road with motor vehicles, and take the lane while you are at it.
It doesn't matter how much you piss off motorists. After all, you have a
legal right to be on the road the same as they.
I charge Jon and Pete with criminality of the worst sort for advocating such
foolishness. Who knows how many deaths of cyclists these two imbeciles are
responsible for. Why they do not get themselves killed and spare the rest of
us their nonsense is one of the mysteries of the universe. If they want to
ride their bikes like fools, then let them, but also let them shut up about
how safe it is. Anyone with a brain knows it is not safe and citing
misleading statistics does not make it so. Damn their rotten souls all the
way to Hell and back!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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> "Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:6b4qgkF39fnjmU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Consider sky diving. If you land safely it isn't particularly
>>> dangerous. If you don't land safely it can be extremely dangerous.
>>> There's little middle ground for other outcomes.
>>
>> You can say the same about transatlantic air travel: if the airliner
>> crashes into the sea then your chances are not good (!), but that's not
>> enough reason to state that transatlantic air travel is dangerous.
>>
>>> You consider the the safety ramifications and then you take your
>>> chances.
>>
>> And whether to take the chances is based on the overall odds, not the
>> worst case outcome.
>>
>
> I think you've got it Pete. Any outcome other than a safe landing is a
> worst case outcome. There's no room for alternate outcomes. If airplanes
> always landed safely you could say flying was essentially a perfectly safe
> activity. But they don't. You might feel safe in a commercial airliner,
> but decline to fly with an Alaska bush pilot who flies into wilderness
> areas where there are no airports. You consider the safety ramifications
> and you take your chances.
>
> I'm not telling you not to cycle on the road, I'm only suggesting if you
> do and you get run over by a bus there's every likelihood it will be your
> last ride. So do whatever you can to avoid that eventuality. To me this
> is common sense stuff. You know like maybe not wearing a helmet when you
> ride - you consider the safety ramifications and you take your chances.
Jon Meinecke and Peter Clinch are both a couple of supreme idiots. They
advocate rules of the road which will cause the death of cyclists. There
ought to be a law against such numskulls. But on Usenet anyone is free to
say any fool thing that enters into their heads.
The two idiots named above both like to cite statistics which purportedly
show that cycling is one of the safest things that you can be doing. Yea,
ride on the road with motor vehicles, and take the lane while you are at it.
It doesn't matter how much you piss off motorists. After all, you have a
legal right to be on the road the same as they.
I charge Jon and Pete with criminality of the worst sort for advocating such
foolishness. Who knows how many deaths of cyclists these two imbeciles are
responsible for. Why they do not get themselves killed and spare the rest of
us their nonsense is one of the mysteries of the universe. If they want to
ride their bikes like fools, then let them, but also let them shut up about
how safe it is. Anyone with a brain knows it is not safe and citing
misleading statistics does not make it so. Damn their rotten souls all the
way to Hell and back!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota