vulcanizing cement / chain lube

[beyost@gmail.com]

Is there a way to buy vulcanizing cement or an equivalent product in
bulk? I'd like to be able to patch a large number of inner tubes -
over time, not all at once, so there is concern about it going bad.

I'm thinking along the lines of a cottage hobby doing simple repairs
like patching flats and cleaning and lubing chains. Is there a better
way than just buying a couple hundred patch kits?

Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. which is $320 / gallon. I
realize that modern lubes have complicated formulas that balance
penetration and durability. However, is there a bulk source of decent
lube that is more reasonable. Or perhaps some alternative industrial
lube that performs similarly?

thank you,
Brett

[bjw@mambo.ucolick.org]

On Jun 10, 12:03*pm, bey...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is there a way to buy vulcanizing cement or an equivalent product in
> bulk? *I'd like to be able to patch a large number of inner tubes -
> over time, not all at once, so there is concern about it going bad.
>
> I'm thinking along the lines of a cottage hobby doing simple repairs
> like patching flats and cleaning and lubing chains. *Is there a better
> way than just buying a couple hundred patch kits?
>
> Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. *which is $320 / gallon. *I
> realize that modern lubes have complicated formulas that balance
> penetration and durability. *However, is there a bulk source of decent
> lube that is more reasonable. *Or perhaps some alternative industrial
> lube that performs similarly?

Elmer's rubber cement and Valvoline. Don't mix up
the two containers, or you'll have lubricated tubes and
a sticky chain.

Ben

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:03:16 -0700 (PDT), beyost@gmail.com wrote:

>Is there a way to buy vulcanizing cement or an equivalent product in
>bulk? I'd like to be able to patch a large number of inner tubes -
>over time, not all at once, so there is concern about it going bad.
>
>I'm thinking along the lines of a cottage hobby doing simple repairs
>like patching flats and cleaning and lubing chains. Is there a better
>way than just buying a couple hundred patch kits?
>
>Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. which is $320 / gallon. I
>realize that modern lubes have complicated formulas that balance
>penetration and durability. However, is there a bulk source of decent
>lube that is more reasonable. Or perhaps some alternative industrial
>lube that performs similarly?
>
>thank you,
>Brett

Dear Brett,

Eight ounce can of Rema patch glue with brush in cap, $9.95:

http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=24393435553&d=single&c=Tire-Tube&sc=Repair-Kits-and-Supplies&tc=Cement&item_id=RE-203

A hundred small Rema patches for 700c, $14.75:

http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=24393435553&d=single&c=Tire-Tube&sc=Repair-Kits-and-Supplies&tc=Patches&item_id=RE-F0P

A hundred larger Rema patches for large tubes, $14.75:

http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=24393435553&d=single&c=Tire-Tube&sc=Repair-Kits-and-Supplies&tc=Patches&item_id=RE-F1P

I'm on my third box of patches and the same can of glue.

Keep in mind that most bike shops just replace punctured tubes. A new
bike tube is so cheap and quick that it makes more sense for a
business than patching.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Frank Krygowski]

On Jun 10, 3:03 pm, bey...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. which is $320 / gallon. I
> realize that modern lubes have complicated formulas that balance
> penetration and durability.

:-) Yep. And high tech frames balance rigidity and compliance! It's
like magic!

> However, is there a bulk source of decent
> lube that is more reasonable. Or perhaps some alternative industrial
> lube that performs similarly?

Someone needs to sneak around the back of the Phil Wood factory and
read the labels on the big 55 gallon drums. You know, the ones from
which they fill the cute little "Tenacious Oil" bottles.

My guess is that they say "Chainsaw bar & chain oil [generic]."

- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

<beyost@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ffeb9ffd-a94a-48c7-a675-d08d779ea29f@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Is there a way to buy vulcanizing cement or an equivalent product in
> bulk? I'd like to be able to patch a large number of inner tubes -
> over time, not all at once, so there is concern about it going bad.
>
> Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. which is $320 / gallon.

Hey, way hard requirements:

http://www.dickblick.com/zz239/03/ 8 ounces less than $4 This is like glue -
man.
Regular motor oil is great for a chain and costs a couple of bucks for
enough to last the rest of your life.

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

<beyost@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ffeb9ffd-a94a-48c7-a675-d08d779ea29f@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Is there a way to buy vulcanizing cement or an equivalent product in
> bulk? I'd like to be able to patch a large number of inner tubes -
> over time, not all at once, so there is concern about it going bad.
>

Take an old inner tube and cut it into patches. Use rubber cement
from the office supply store. It's exactly the same stuff in the tube
patch kits.

Ted

[siodad@aol.com]

> Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. *which is $320 / gallon. *I
> realize that modern lubes have complicated formulas that balance
> penetration and durability. *However, is there a bulk source of decent
> lube that is more reasonable. *Or perhaps some alternative industrial
> lube that performs similarly?
>
> thank you,
> Brett

A home brew lube that is popular on another cycling forum is comprised
of one part synthetic motor oil to 3 or 4 parts odorless mineral
spirits. The OMS acts as a thinning agent and carrier to aid in the
lube penetrating the chain. If you commit a full quart of oil, you
can produce a gallon of lube for about $10.

Pat Clancy

[smokey]

On Jun 10, 12:03*pm, bey...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is there a way to buy vulcanizing cement or an equivalent product in
> bulk? *I'd like to be able to patch a large number of inner tubes -
> over time, not all at once, so there is concern about it going bad.
>
> I'm thinking along the lines of a cottage hobby doing simple repairs
> like patching flats and cleaning and lubing chains. *Is there a better
> way than just buying a couple hundred patch kits?
>
> Also, chain lube costs about $10 / 4oz. *which is $320 / gallon. *I
> realize that modern lubes have complicated formulas that balance
> penetration and durability. *However, is there a bulk source of decent
> lube that is more reasonable. *Or perhaps some alternative industrial
> lube that performs similarly?
>
> thank you,
> Brett

I ride quite a bit on dusty gravel roads and have had good results
with motorcycle chain lubes. Two that I have used successfully are
Amsoil Heavy Duty Metal Protector and Maxima Chain Wax. They penetrate
the links then dry to a waxy coating after 20 minutes or so that does
not attract dust nearly as much as a wet lube. A can lasts for a long
time on a bicycle.

Smokey

[Ablang]

Found this:

Rema Patches F1-P 25mm 100/Box
* 25mm
* 100/Box

$14.43

http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_info.php?products_id=4384

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:03:18 -0700 (PDT), Ablang <ron916@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Found this:
>
> Rema Patches F1-P 25mm 100/Box
> * 25mm
> * 100/Box
>
>$14.43
>
>http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_info.php?products_id=4384

Dear Ab,

Those are scalloped-edge F1-P 25 mm patches and will work for wider
MTB tubes:

http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=24393435553&d=single&c=Tire-Tube&sc=Repair-Kits-and-Supplies&tc=Patches&item_id=RE-F1P

But they won't fit very well on narrower tubes--they're wider than the
tube when you flatten it out.

For narrower road tires, you want the smaller F0-P 20 mm patches,
which have a round rather than scalloped edge:

http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=24393435553&d=single&c=Tire-Tube&sc=Repair-Kits-and-Supplies&tc=Patches&item_id=RE-F0P

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

[Ablang]

Carl,

Please let me know where is the cutoff between wide and non-wide
tires?

My hybrid uses 700c x 32 tires. My MTBs use anywhere from 24" or 26"
of varying widths.

Are all these considered wide tires?

[carlfogel@comcast.net]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:24:26 -0700 (PDT), Ablang <ron916@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Carl,
>
>Please let me know where is the cutoff between wide and non-wide
>tires?
>
>My hybrid uses 700c x 32 tires. My MTBs use anywhere from 24" or 26"
>of varying widths.
>
>Are all these considered wide tires?

Dear Ab,

It's the width of the inner tube, uninflated, that can cause problems.

Flatten the inner tube as if you're about to patch it.

The 25 mm/~1-inch FP1 scalloped patch will be wider than a 700x23C
inner tube, so it's hard to use:

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The 20mm/~3/4-in smooth patch will fit on the narrow tube:

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You can just buy the smaller FP-0 smooth-edge 20mm patches and use
them for all sizes on inner tubes. If a 20 mm patch isn't big enough
to cover the hole, you probably don't want to patch it.

Jobst once sent me a patched 27" tube that had even tinier round
patches, about half-inch. They were obviously old and were working
fine.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel