Tour de France, stage 2 summary

[Bob Martin]

Changes in stage 2 compared to stage 1

Biggest gainers by position :
+115 Romain Feillu
+55 Markus Fothen
+47 Juan Jose Oroz
+45 Angel Gomez Gomez
+43 Sebastien Chavanel
+41 Remy Di Gregorio
+41 Felix Rafael Cardenas
+40 Frederik Willems
+40 Christophe Le Mevel
+39 Jose Luis Arrieta

Biggest losers by position :
-100 Pieter Weening
-97 Rubens Bertogliati
-86 Bernhard Kohl
-81 Arnaud Coyot
-72 Mauro Facci
-71 Paolo Tiralongo
-68 Arnaud Gerard
-67 Kanstantsin Siutsou
-55 Niki Terpstra
-51 Jimmy Engoulvent
-46 Matteo Bono

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:34 Romain Feillu
+0:34 Markus Fothen

Biggest losers by time :
-7:18 Mauricio Soler
-7:18 Rubens Bertogliati
-4:52 Arnaud Coyot
-4:52 David Arroyo
-4:52 David Lopez Garcia
-4:05 Pieter Weening
-4:05 Wim Vansevenant
-3:35 Paolo Tiralongo
-3:27 Bjorn Schroder
-3:25 Jimmy Engoulvent
-3:22 Arnaud Gerard

Favourites by position :
+8 Vladimir Efimkin
+6 Jens Voigt
+5 George Hincapie
+3 Samuel Sanchez
+2 Kim Kirchen
+1 Denis Menchov
+1 Cadel Evans
-1 Stijn Devolder
-1 Oscar Pereiro
-1 Christophe Moreau
-2 Frank Schleck
-3 Manuel Beltran
-13 Carlos Sastre
-22 Damiano Cunego

Favourites by time :

Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Alejandro Valverde 8.21.20
2 Kim Kirchen 0.01
3 Oscar Freire 0.01
.....
5 Cadel Evans 0.01
.....
9 Frank Schleck 0.01
.....
11 Oscar Pereiro 0.01
.....
16 Samuel Sanchez 0.07
.....
24 George Hincapie 0.07
25 Denis Menchov 0.07
.....
27 Carlos Sastre 0.07
28 Manuel Beltran 0.07
.....
34 Stijn Devolder 0.07
.....
39 Jens Voigt 0.07
.....
43 Damiano Cunego 0.07
.....
47 Vladimir Efimkin 0.18
.....
71 Christophe Moreau 0.39

Retirements to date : Stage
Herve Duclos-Lassalle (Fra) Cofidis 1
Total retirements : 1

[trek 2300]

On Jul 6, 11:42 am, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
> Changes in stage 2 compared to stage 1
>
> Biggest gainers by position :
> +115 Romain Feillu
> +55 Markus Fothen
> +47 Juan Jose Oroz
> +45 Angel Gomez Gomez
> +43 Sebastien Chavanel
> +41 Remy Di Gregorio
> +41 Felix Rafael Cardenas
> +40 Frederik Willems
> +40 Christophe Le Mevel
> +39 Jose Luis Arrieta
>
> Biggest losers by position :
> -100 Pieter Weening
> -97 Rubens Bertogliati
> -86 Bernhard Kohl
> -81 Arnaud Coyot
> -72 Mauro Facci
> -71 Paolo Tiralongo
> -68 Arnaud Gerard
> -67 Kanstantsin Siutsou
> -55 Niki Terpstra
> -51 Jimmy Engoulvent
> -46 Matteo Bono
>
> Biggest gainers by time :
> +0:34 Romain Feillu
> +0:34 Markus Fothen
>
> Biggest losers by time :
> -7:18 Mauricio Soler
> -7:18 Rubens Bertogliati
> -4:52 Arnaud Coyot
> -4:52 David Arroyo
> -4:52 David Lopez Garcia
> -4:05 Pieter Weening
> -4:05 Wim Vansevenant
> -3:35 Paolo Tiralongo
> -3:27 Bjorn Schroder
> -3:25 Jimmy Engoulvent
> -3:22 Arnaud Gerard
>
> Favourites by position :
> +8 Vladimir Efimkin
> +6 Jens Voigt
> +5 George Hincapie
> +3 Samuel Sanchez
> +2 Kim Kirchen
> +1 Denis Menchov
> +1 Cadel Evans
> -1 Stijn Devolder
> -1 Oscar Pereiro
> -1 Christophe Moreau
> -2 Frank Schleck
> -3 Manuel Beltran
> -13 Carlos Sastre
> -22 Damiano Cunego
>
> Favourites by time :
>
> Top 3 and favourites standings :
> 1 Alejandro Valverde 8.21.20
> 2 Kim Kirchen 0.01
> 3 Oscar Freire 0.01
> .....
> 5 Cadel Evans 0.01
> .....
> 9 Frank Schleck 0.01
> .....
> 11 Oscar Pereiro 0.01
> .....
> 16 Samuel Sanchez 0.07
> .....
> 24 George Hincapie 0.07
> 25 Denis Menchov 0.07
> .....
> 27 Carlos Sastre 0.07
> 28 Manuel Beltran 0.07
> .....
> 34 Stijn Devolder 0.07
> .....
> 39 Jens Voigt 0.07
> .....
> 43 Damiano Cunego 0.07
> .....
> 47 Vladimir Efimkin 0.18
> .....
> 71 Christophe Moreau 0.39
>
> Retirements to date : Stage
> Herve Duclos-Lassalle (Fra) Cofidis 1
> Total retirements : 1

keep it up Bob !

[Benjo Maso]

"Bob Martin" <bob.martin@excite.com> schreef in bericht
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>
> Changes in stage 2 compared to stage 1
>
> Biggest gainers by position :
> +115 Romain Feillu
> +55 Markus Fothen
> +47 Juan Jose Oroz
> +45 Angel Gomez Gomez
> +43 Sebastien Chavanel
> +41 Remy Di Gregorio
> +41 Felix Rafael Cardenas
> +40 Frederik Willems
> +40 Christophe Le Mevel
> +39 Jose Luis Arrieta
>
> Biggest losers by position :
> -100 Pieter Weening
> -97 Rubens Bertogliati
> -86 Bernhard Kohl
> -81 Arnaud Coyot
> -72 Mauro Facci
> -71 Paolo Tiralongo
> -68 Arnaud Gerard
> -67 Kanstantsin Siutsou
> -55 Niki Terpstra
> -51 Jimmy Engoulvent
> -46 Matteo Bono
>
> Biggest gainers by time :
> +0:34 Romain Feillu
> +0:34 Markus Fothen
>
> Biggest losers by time :
> -7:18 Mauricio Soler
> -7:18 Rubens Bertogliati
> -4:52 Arnaud Coyot
> -4:52 David Arroyo
> -4:52 David Lopez Garcia
> -4:05 Pieter Weening
> -4:05 Wim Vansevenant
> -3:35 Paolo Tiralongo
> -3:27 Bjorn Schroder
> -3:25 Jimmy Engoulvent
> -3:22 Arnaud Gerard
>
> Favourites by position :
> +8 Vladimir Efimkin
> +6 Jens Voigt
> +5 George Hincapie
> +3 Samuel Sanchez
> +2 Kim Kirchen
> +1 Denis Menchov
> +1 Cadel Evans
> -1 Stijn Devolder
> -1 Oscar Pereiro
> -1 Christophe Moreau
> -2 Frank Schleck
> -3 Manuel Beltran
> -13 Carlos Sastre
> -22 Damiano Cunego
>
> Favourites by time :
>
> Top 3 and favourites standings :
> 1 Alejandro Valverde 8.21.20
> 2 Kim Kirchen 0.01
> 3 Oscar Freire 0.01
> .....
> 5 Cadel Evans 0.01
> .....
> 9 Frank Schleck 0.01
> .....
> 11 Oscar Pereiro 0.01
> .....
> 16 Samuel Sanchez 0.07
> .....
> 24 George Hincapie 0.07
> 25 Denis Menchov 0.07
> .....
> 27 Carlos Sastre 0.07
> 28 Manuel Beltran 0.07
> .....
> 34 Stijn Devolder 0.07
> .....
> 39 Jens Voigt 0.07
> .....
> 43 Damiano Cunego 0.07
> .....
> 47 Vladimir Efimkin 0.18
> .....
> 71 Christophe Moreau 0.39
>
> Retirements to date : Stage
> Herve Duclos-Lassalle (Fra) Cofidis 1
> Total retirements : 1

Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be favourites, and
not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's of 2007 and 2008)?

Benjo

[Tom Kunich]

"Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
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>
> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be favourites, and
> not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's of 2007 and 2008)?

Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the race
progresses.

[RicodJour]

On Jul 6, 5:50 pm, "Benjo Maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be favourites, and
> not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's of 2007 and 2008)?
>
> Benjo

Bob's mentioned that the favorites are his and his son's favorites,
not the betting line.

R

[Benjo Maso]

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> schreef in bericht
news:BdudnQ8HR6-b2-zVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@earthlink.com...
> "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
> news:6dct1qF1umqlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be favourites,
>> and not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's of 2007 and 2008)?
>
> Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the race
> progresses.


Sure, but I suppose his list of favorites is more or less stable (of course,
I might be wrong)

Benjo

[Benjo Maso]

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> schreef in bericht
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On Jul 6, 5:50 pm, "Benjo Maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be favourites, and
> not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's of 2007 and 2008)?
>
> Benjo

Bob's mentioned that the favorites are his and his son's favorites,
not the betting line.


OK, I was just surprised!

Benjo

[William Asher]

Benjo Maso wrote:

>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> schreef in bericht
> news:BdudnQ8HR6-b2-zVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
>> news:6dct1qF1umqlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be
>>> favourites, and not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's
>>> of 2007 and 2008)?
>>
>> Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the
>> race progresses.
>
>
> Sure, but I suppose his list of favorites is more or less stable (of
> course, I might be wrong)
>
> Benjo
>

The list of "favorites" is determined by placing highly in ProTour races in
the previous three years. Or something like that. Anyway, it's
automatically selected and not something Bob does on a whim. He discussed
it with Chung a while back.

If you google "chung martin nice work" you should be able to turn it up.

--
Bill Asher

[Tom Kunich]

"Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:6dd01jF210kfU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> schreef in bericht
> news:BdudnQ8HR6-b2-zVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
>> news:6dct1qF1umqlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be favourites,
>>> and not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's of 2007 and
>>> 2008)?
>>
>> Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the race
>> progresses.
>
> Sure, but I suppose his list of favorites is more or less stable (of
> course, I might be wrong)

Benjo's hopes are being displayed.... :-)

[William Asher]

William Asher wrote:

> Benjo Maso wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> schreef in bericht
>> news:BdudnQ8HR6-b2-zVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
>>> news:6dct1qF1umqlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be
>>>> favourites, and not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's
>>>> of 2007 and 2008)?
>>>
>>> Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the
>>> race progresses.
>>
>>
>> Sure, but I suppose his list of favorites is more or less stable (of
>> course, I might be wrong)
>>
>> Benjo
>>
>
> The list of "favorites" is determined by placing highly in ProTour
> races in the previous three years. Or something like that. Anyway,
> it's automatically selected and not something Bob does on a whim. He
> discussed it with Chung a while back.
>
> If you google "chung martin nice work" you should be able to turn it
> up.
>

Here:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/a670006f30f85ec9?hl=
en

http://tinyurl.com/5jgkpd

--
Bill Asher

[Benjo Maso]

"William Asher" <gcnp58@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
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> William Asher wrote:
>
>> Benjo Maso wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> schreef in bericht
>>> news:BdudnQ8HR6-b2-zVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
>>>> news:6dct1qF1umqlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be
>>>>> favourites, and not Riccò or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's
>>>>> of 2007 and 2008)?
>>>>
>>>> Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the
>>>> race progresses.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, but I suppose his list of favorites is more or less stable (of
>>> course, I might be wrong)
>>>
>>> Benjo
>>>
>>
>> The list of "favorites" is determined by placing highly in ProTour
>> races in the previous three years. Or something like that. Anyway,
>> it's automatically selected and not something Bob does on a whim. He
>> discussed it with Chung a while back.
>>
>> If you google "chung martin nice work" you should be able to turn it
>> up.
>>
>
> Here:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/a670006f30f85ec9?hl=
> en
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5jgkpd


Thanks! But it still surprises me that Andy Schleck and Riccò are not
included.

Benjo

[Bob Martin]

in 40067 20080707 000715 "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote:
>"William Asher" <gcnp58@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
>news:Xns9AD3A22A6FEBDFkldeltaC@130.133.1.4...
>> William Asher wrote:
>>
>>> Benjo Maso wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> schreef in bericht
>>>> news:BdudnQ8HR6-b2-zVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>> "Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6dct1qF1umqlU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you really consider riders like Hincapie or Voigt to be
>>>>>> favourites, and not Ricc� or Andy Schleck (runner up in the Giro's
>>>>>> of 2007 and 2008)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Benjo, Bob Martin is just working the statistics which change as the
>>>>> race progresses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but I suppose his list of favorites is more or less stable (of
>>>> course, I might be wrong)
>>>>
>>>> Benjo
>>>>
>>>
>>> The list of "favorites" is determined by placing highly in ProTour
>>> races in the previous three years. Or something like that. Anyway,
>>> it's automatically selected and not something Bob does on a whim. He
>>> discussed it with Chung a while back.
>>>
>>> If you google "chung martin nice work" you should be able to turn it
>>> up.
>>>
>>
>> Here:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/a670006f30f85ec9?hl=
>> en
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5jgkpd
>
>
>Thanks! But it still surprises me that Andy Schleck and Ricc� are not
>included.
>
>Benjo

You're right - I've already had stick from my son over Andy Schleck And Ricco!
As I said previously, this year the list is generated automatically from previous
stage race results, and if I had taken this year's Giro into account those two would
have been on it. Just hadn't had time to merge the Giro results.
Anyway, they've now been added.