Rasmussen [Archive] - Triangle Cycling

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 02:00 PM

Alexander Lackner schreef:
>> According to his fanzine L'Equipe, he was riding amongst the peloton in
>> the female danish RR championship last week, ignoring comissaire's calls
>> to leave the race. How funny is that.

Ted van de Weteringe wrote:
> The same message also appeared on Friday at
> http://tour2008.nos.nl/nieuws/artikel/ID/tcm:45-392250/ (in Dutch, old
> picture). It says he was in the Danish women championship race, positioned
> himself at the head of the peloton and despite protests only quit after
> over an hour. He did it purely as a provocation, because he felt
> mistreated by the Danish cycling federation last year when they unaskedly
> brought out the news of his missed out-of-competition controls.

Thats just for the newspapers. The real reason is he wanted to be
gang raped.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

01-04-1970, 02:00 PM

On Jul 7, 3:03 am, Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid>
wrote:
> Alexander Lackner schreef:
>
> > According to his fanzine L'Equipe, he was riding amongst the peloton in
> > the female danish RR championship last week, ignoring comissaire's calls
> > to leave the race. How funny is that.
>
> The same message also appeared on Friday athttp://tour2008.nos.nl/nieuws/artikel/ID/tcm:45-392250/(in Dutch, old
> picture). It says he was in the Danish women championship race,
> positioned himself at the head of the peloton and despite protests only
> quit after over an hour. He did it purely as a provocation, because he
> felt mistreated by the Danish cycling federation last year when they
> unaskedly brought out the news of his missed out-of-competition controls.

What a tool. So he used (interfered with) the women's
race to make his little demonstration. How about
letting the Danish women race without trying to make
himself the center of attention? I just lost any
residual sympathy I might have had for him. He should
have done it in the men's race, except he knows they
probably would have had fewer compunctions about
riding him into the ditch (or could just drop him outright).

Ben

dustoyevsky@mac.com

01-04-1970, 02:01 PM

On Jul 7, 11:53*am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:26*pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 7:19*pm, Alexander Lackner
>
> > <alexNOander.laSPAMck...@chello.at> wrote:
> > > According to his fanzine L'Equipe, he was riding amongst the peloton in
> > > the female danish RR championship last week, ignoring comissaire's calls
> > > to leave the race. How funny is that.
>
> > Looks like he's going to get paid.
>
> > Looks like he's going to get laid, too.
>
> > I think they call that "compensation", we should all be so lucky!
> > *--D-y

> Sometimes payback is a *****.

(Nyuck nyuck, Dusty liked that one)

Is he ('Mussin) married?

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:02 PM

<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
news:557accee-ed55-43e9-aaf6-f242d56a00af@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> What a tool. So he used (interfered with) the women's
> race to make his little demonstration. How about
> letting the Danish women race without trying to make
> himself the center of attention? I just lost any
> residual sympathy I might have had for him. He should
> have done it in the men's race, except he knows they
> probably would have had fewer compunctions about
> riding him into the ditch (or could just drop him outright).

Ben, have you ever raced? Riding on the front of the pack did nothing at all
to the race. It's not uncommon for local hotshots to ride with the pack as
they come by. A friend of mine pulled the second half of an Italian race up
to the lead group before the marshals got him out of the pack in a race
around Lago Como.

If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the women to
relax and smile.

William Asher

01-04-1970, 02:03 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:

> <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
> news:557accee-ed55-43e9-aaf6-f242d56a00af@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>>
>> What a tool. So he used (interfered with) the women's
>> race to make his little demonstration. How about
>> letting the Danish women race without trying to make
>> himself the center of attention? I just lost any
>> residual sympathy I might have had for him. He should
>> have done it in the men's race, except he knows they
>> probably would have had fewer compunctions about
>> riding him into the ditch (or could just drop him outright).
>
> Ben, have you ever raced? Riding on the front of the pack did nothing
> at all to the race. It's not uncommon for local hotshots to ride with
> the pack as they come by. A friend of mine pulled the second half of
> an Italian race up to the lead group before the marshals got him out
> of the pack in a race around Lago Como.
>
> If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the
> women to relax and smile.
>

Precisely. There was this time I remember something where LA had ridden in
a local race in Texas. During that race, LA initiated a break and
in the process crushed the ego of a young racer who is now likely drinking
Woolite(tm) on skid road, or even worse in grad school, as a result. The
thing to keep in mind is that the young racer whose ego was crushed would
likely have ended up a derelict or lawyer or MBA anyway, and the break
would have formed without LA, so nothing LA did affected anything. This
would be especially true for Rasmussen, who was doing this not just to get
in some miles, but specifically to make a public statement that he was
pissed. So he would have made his presence be unobstrusive as possible,
because when you are making a public statement, you want to go un-noticed.

And yes I raced a criterium in like 1973 in a Boeing Company parking
(people here probably remember that, it was in all the papers) so I think I
know what I am talking about.

--
Bill Asher

Bill C

01-04-1970, 02:03 PM

On Jul 7, 6:09*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
>
> news:557accee-ed55-43e9-aaf6-f242d56a00af@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > What a tool. *So he used (interfered with) the women's
> > race to make his little demonstration. *How about
> > letting the Danish women race without trying to make
> > himself the center of attention? *I just lost any
> > residual sympathy I might have had for him. *He should
> > have done it in the men's race, except he knows they
> > probably would have had fewer compunctions about
> > riding him into the ditch (or could just drop him outright).
>
> Ben, have you ever raced? Riding on the front of the pack did nothing at all
> to the race. It's not uncommon for local hotshots to ride with the pack as
> they come by. A friend of mine pulled the second half of an Italian race up
> to the lead group before the marshals got him out of the pack in a race
> around Lago Como.
>
> If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the women to
> relax and smile.

That's BS too. They should've neutralized the field, stopped the race.
Had him removed, and he should be facing a hearing on extending his
suspension due to these actions. Plain and simple.
Bill C

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:03 PM

On Jul 7, 6:09*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
>
> > What a tool. *So he used (interfered with) the women's
> > race to make his little demonstration. *How about
> > letting the Danish women race without trying to make
> > himself the center of attention? *I just lost any
> > residual sympathy I might have had for him. *He should
> > have done it in the men's race, except he knows they
> > probably would have had fewer compunctions about
> > riding him into the ditch (or could just drop him outright).
>
> Ben, have you ever raced? Riding on the front of the pack did nothing at all
> to the race. It's not uncommon for local hotshots to ride with the pack as
> they come by. A friend of mine pulled the second half of an Italian race up
> to the lead group before the marshals got him out of the pack in a race
> around Lago Como.

Your friend was an idiot, just like Rasmussen.

> If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the women to
> relax and smile.

Yeah, that's why people race - to have some putz interfere with a race
to help break the ice and make the people he's interfering with
smile. Sheesh.

Don't kid yourself, you'd be the first one foaming at the mouth if
anyone did something like that in a race you were in.

R

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:03 PM

In article <Xns9AD4C09407DC9FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>, William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
> > news:557accee-ed55-43e9-aaf6-f242d56a00af@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.
> > ..
> >>
> >> What a tool. So he used (interfered with) the women's
> >> race to make his little demonstration. How about
> >> letting the Danish women race without trying to make
> >> himself the center of attention? I just lost any
> >> residual sympathy I might have had for him. He should
> >> have done it in the men's race, except he knows they
> >> probably would have had fewer compunctions about
> >> riding him into the ditch (or could just drop him outright).
> >
> > Ben, have you ever raced? Riding on the front of the pack did nothing
> > at all to the race. It's not uncommon for local hotshots to ride with
> > the pack as they come by. A friend of mine pulled the second half of
> > an Italian race up to the lead group before the marshals got him out
> > of the pack in a race around Lago Como.
> >
> > If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the
> > women to relax and smile.
> >
>
> Precisely. There was this time I remember something where LA had ridden in
> a local race in Texas. During that race, LA initiated a break and
> in the process crushed the ego of a young racer who is now likely drinking
> Woolite(tm) on skid road, or even worse in grad school, as a result. The
> thing to keep in mind is that the young racer whose ego was crushed would
> likely have ended up a derelict or lawyer or MBA anyway, and the break
> would have formed without LA, so nothing LA did affected anything. This
> would be especially true for Rasmussen, who was doing this not just to get
> in some miles, but specifically to make a public statement that he was
> pissed. So he would have made his presence be unobstrusive as possible,
> because when you are making a public statement, you want to go un-noticed.
>
> And yes I raced a criterium in like 1973 in a Boeing Company parking
> (people here probably remember that, it was in all the papers) so I think I
> know what I am talking about.

You know, what I liked about Tom's post was that in one sentence he claimed that
riding in the front of the pack did nothing, then two sentences later he claimed a
"friend" of his had pulled the second part of a race back up to the leaders - which
sure sounds like it had an effect on the race. Personally, I think both of his
statements are bull**** but the most glaring bit of bull**** in the post is his
assertion that he has a friend.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 02:03 PM

William Asher wrote:
> Precisely. There was this time I remember something where LA had ridden
> in a local race in Texas. During that race, LA initiated a break and in
> the process crushed the ego of a young racer who is now likely drinking
> Woolite(tm) on skid road, or even worse in grad school, as a result.

Didn't he find religion or something too. The Olsen twits
might be able to shed some light on LA the missionary.

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:05 PM

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:bf808f5b-1d0d-45c8-8e87-f6ce6fb6cf1e@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 7, 6:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the
> > women to
> > relax and smile.
>
> Yeah, that's why people race - to have some putz interfere with a race
> to help break the ice and make the people he's interfering with
> smile. Sheesh.
>
> Don't kid yourself, you'd be the first one foaming at the mouth if
> anyone did something like that in a race you were in.

I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a race isn't
racing but riding between the sections that you race in. Someone messing
around in those areas breaks the ice as it were.

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:05 PM

In article <bf808f5b-1d0d-45c8-8e87-f6ce6fb6cf1e@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 7, 6:09*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> > If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the women to
> > relax and smile.
>
> Yeah, that's why people race - to have some putz interfere with a race
> to help break the ice and make the people he's interfering with
> smile. Sheesh.
>
> Don't kid yourself, you'd be the first one foaming at the mouth if
> anyone did something like that in a race you were in.

How could you tell? He's always foaming at the mouth.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:06 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> news:bf808f5b-1d0d-45c8-8e87-f6ce6fb6cf1e@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 7, 6:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> > If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the
>> > women to
>> > relax and smile.
>>
>> Yeah, that's why people race - to have some putz interfere with a race
>> to help break the ice and make the people he's interfering with
>> smile. Sheesh.
>>
>> Don't kid yourself, you'd be the first one foaming at the mouth if
>> anyone did something like that in a race you were in.
>
> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a race
> isn't racing but riding between the sections that you race in. Someone
> messing around in those areas breaks the ice as it were.
>

You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding theirs.
They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the race in any
way. When it happens, people get angry.

Bret

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

01-04-1970, 02:06 PM

On Jul 8, 1:54*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bf808f5b-1d0d-45c8-8e87-f6ce6fb6cf1e@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 7, 6:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > > If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the
> > > women to
> > > relax and smile.
>
> > Yeah, that's why people race - to have some putz interfere with a race
> > to help break the ice and make the people he's interfering with
> > smile. *Sheesh.
>
> > Don't kid yourself, you'd be the first one foaming at the mouth if
> > anyone did something like that in a race you were in.
>
> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a race isn't
> racing but riding between the sections that you race in. Someone messing
> around in those areas breaks the ice as it were.

Tombot,

Racing is tense. Most racers don't like distractions,
even when no attacks are going or when the distractor
is not affecting the results.
Here's a classic from the archives. Click the thread
title to read the whole thing:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa

Purely aside from the fact that outsiders in the race
cause a distraction unless they sit at the back,
Rasmussen's move had no class. He was trying to
get publicity, and used the women's race as a tool.
Basically, he was trying to ensure that the picture in
the paper the next day was of him parading at the
front, not of the winner crossing the line. How do you
think the racers - in a _national championship_ -
felt about that?

Rasmussen disrespected the women two ways: he
used their race as a PR stunt, and he rode at the front
to say they couldn't dispose of him. Should they have
burned their matches too early by attacking him?

I don't see how Rasmussen's stunt is better than
the protestor at the Tour who got up in front of
Samuel Dumoulin on the podium until Bernie Hinault
chucked him off. If Hinault had been directing the
Danish race, I think Rasmussen would still be picking
asphalt out of his shorts.

Ben

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:06 PM

On Jul 8, 4:54*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> On Jul 7, 6:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > > If anything he probably broke the ice a bit and caused a lot of the
> > > women to
> > > relax and smile.
>
> > Yeah, that's why people race - to have some putz interfere with a race
> > to help break the ice and make the people he's interfering with
> > smile. *Sheesh.
>
> > Don't kid yourself, you'd be the first one foaming at the mouth if
> > anyone did something like that in a race you were in.
>
> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a race isn't
> racing but riding between the sections that you race in. Someone messing
> around in those areas breaks the ice as it were.

There's the race and then there's the race. Maybe Rancid-mutton
didn't affect the outcome of the race, but he interfered with it and
distracted attention from the people that should have had the
attention and that were there legitimately.

Chicken pulled a chicken move that was no different than the idjit
that jumped up on the podium the other day and the Badger had to
straighten him out.

R

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:07 PM

"Bret Wade" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:BPKdnZGSvp_ceu7VnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a race isn't
>> racing but riding between the sections that you race in. Someone messing
>> around in those areas breaks the ice as it were.
>
> You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone interferes
> with their race. In the local training races, riders are allowed to warm
> up on the back of the pack of the race preceding theirs. They're not
> allowed to go to the front and influence the race in any way. When it
> happens, people get angry.

Well, I'm sure that you'd know all about it then Bret. And not the photos
and films of riders cheering these people when they finally drop out of the
pack.

John Forrest Tomlinson

01-04-1970, 02:07 PM

On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:16:19 -0600, Bret Wade <bret.wade@gmail.com>
wrote:

>You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
>interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
>allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding theirs.
>They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the race in any
>way. When it happens, people get angry.

Yeah, it's very annoying. But too many people, at least where I live,
do it.

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:07 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Bret Wade" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BPKdnZGSvp_ceu7VnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a race
>>> isn't racing but riding between the sections that you race in.
>>> Someone messing around in those areas breaks the ice as it were.
>>
>> You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
>> interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
>> allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding
>> theirs. They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the race
>> in any way. When it happens, people get angry.
>
> Well, I'm sure that you'd know all about it then Bret. And not the
> photos and films of riders cheering these people when they finally drop
> out of the pack.
>

What photos and films? Post a link.

SLAVE of THE STATE

01-04-1970, 02:07 PM

On Jul 8, 4:31 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:16:19 -0600, Bret Wade <bret.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
> >interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
> >allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding theirs.
> >They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the race in any
> >way. When it happens, people get angry.
>
> Yeah, it's very annoying. But too many people, at least where I live,
> do it.

A few years back I was at one of "our" Tuesday Night crits here in
Santa Rosa. Levi showed up, but was about 2 laps late to get into the
start of the pro-1-2-3 race. He asked what's-his-name (Jim Keene?)
the ref if he could get in to do some training. "Jim" said "yeah,"
and Levi proceeded to slot in.

Without promising anything, Levi never took any pulls, did not ride at
the front, or for what I could tell, effect the race in any important
way. Obviously he could have. I thought that was very polite and was
impressed. It was just a Tuesday night training crit and he still had
the modesty not to mess with other folks doing their thing.

Davey Crockett

01-04-1970, 02:07 PM

Bret Wade a écrit profondement:

| Tom Kunich wrote:
| > "Bret Wade" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:BPKdnZGSvp_ceu7VnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
| >> Tom Kunich wrote:
| >>>
| >>> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a
| >>> race isn't racing but riding between the sections that you race
| >>> in. Someone messing around in those areas breaks the ice as it
| >>> were.
| >>
| >> You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
| >> interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
| >> allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding
| >> theirs. They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the
| >> race in any way. When it happens, people get angry.
| >
| > Well, I'm sure that you'd know all about it then Bret. And not the
| > photos and films of riders cheering these people when they finally
| > drop out of the pack.
| >
|
| What photos and films? Post a link.

1995 Worlds: Bogota, Colombia: "Acclimatization Race"
Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (FRA) DQ for jumping into the Men's pack when
it passed the womens peloton. The guys were happier than Hell to have
her.

--
Dzvey Crockett
9/11 was an Inside Job

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:08 PM

Davey Crockett wrote:
> Bret Wade a écrit profondement:
>
> | Tom Kunich wrote:
> | > "Bret Wade" <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | > news:BPKdnZGSvp_ceu7VnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> | >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> | >>>
> | >>> I now am sure that you complainers have never raced. Most of a
> | >>> race isn't racing but riding between the sections that you race
> | >>> in. Someone messing around in those areas breaks the ice as it
> | >>> were.
> | >>
> | >> You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
> | >> interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
> | >> allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding
> | >> theirs. They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the
> | >> race in any way. When it happens, people get angry.
> | >
> | > Well, I'm sure that you'd know all about it then Bret. And not the
> | > photos and films of riders cheering these people when they finally
> | > drop out of the pack.
> | >
> |
> | What photos and films? Post a link.
>
> 1995 Worlds: Bogota, Colombia: "Acclimatization Race"
> Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (FRA) DQ for jumping into the Men's pack when
> it passed the womens peloton. The guys were happier than Hell to have
> her.
>

She did the same thing with the same result at a race in Colorado
(Garden of the Gods) a week or two earlier. But this isn't what we were
talking about. She sat at the back and did nothing to affect the race.

Ted van de Weteringe

01-04-1970, 02:09 PM

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org schreef:
> Here's a classic from the archives. Click the thread
> title to read the whole thing:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa

Yeah, I wasn't around then but read it before. All people who get
annoyed that people tag on or re-pass them are tools, whiners and
wankerszsz. Just stick to your own plan, what does it matter what
another cyclist is doing around you?

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:09 PM

On Jul 9, 6:01*am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
>
> I don't see how Rasmussen's stunt is better than
> the protestor at the Tour who got up in front of
> Samuel Dumoulin on the podium until Bernie Hinault
> chucked him off. *If Hinault had been directing the
> Danish race, I think Rasmussen would still be picking
> asphalt out of his shorts.

And the Badger's loafer out of his ass.

R

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:09 PM

"Ted van de Weteringe" <myfullname@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote in message
news:48749155$0$14354$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org schreef:
>> Here's a classic from the archives. Click the thread
>> title to read the whole thing:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa
>
> Yeah, I wasn't around then but read it before. All people who get annoyed
> that people tag on or re-pass them are tools, whiners and wankerszsz. Just
> stick to your own plan, what does it matter what another cyclist is doing
> around you?

Ted, remember that these whiners wouldn't know a racing pack from a
cigarette pack.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

01-04-1970, 02:09 PM

On Jul 9, 3:22*am, Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid>
wrote:
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org schreef:
>
> > Here's a classic from the archives. *Click the thread
> > title to read the whole thing:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa
>
> Yeah, I wasn't around then but read it before. All people who get
> annoyed that people tag on or re-pass them are tools, whiners and
> wankerszsz. Just stick to your own plan, what does it matter what
> another cyclist is doing around you?

During a race, riders are crazy, or a different kind of
sane. They think all sorts of strange thoughts and
over-react to stimuli. You've read "De Renner," you
know what I mean. The road Metcalfe was riding
goes through way the hell in the middle of nowhere,
very rugged terrain for being so close to a major
populated area. He could (and probably did) ride for
the better part of an hour without seeing anyone, even
another racer. Which is just to say that it could easily
promote the solipsistic mental state of "De Renner."

The guy who passed Metcalfe actually made no
difference to the race, so of course Kevin shouldn't have
cared, but the guy shouldn't have played mind games
with him. He was messing around with someone who
needed to concentrate, and knew he shouldn't have.
Which is why I brought the story up in this context.
Plus I like replaying RBR oldies.

Ben

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:10 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Ted van de Weteringe" <myfullname@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> news:48749155$0$14354$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org schreef:
>>> Here's a classic from the archives. Click the thread
>>> title to read the whole thing:
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa
>>
>> Yeah, I wasn't around then but read it before. All people who get
>> annoyed that people tag on or re-pass them are tools, whiners and
>> wankerszsz. Just stick to your own plan, what does it matter what
>> another cyclist is doing around you?
>
> Ted, remember that these whiners wouldn't know a racing pack from a
> cigarette pack.
>

Tom, can you point to any on-line evidence that you've ever raced?
There's nothing on the NCNCA site.

Davey Crockett

01-04-1970, 02:10 PM

RicodJour a écrit profondement:

| There's the race and then there's the race. Maybe Rancid-mutton
| didn't affect the outcome of the race, but he interfered with it and
| distracted attention from the people that should have had the
| attention and that were there legitimately.
|
| Chicken pulled a chicken move that was no different than the idjit
| that jumped up on the podium the other day and the Badger had to
| straighten him out.
|

It is often "spur of the moment" enthusiasm, disgust or what-have-you
that prompts such Wanker reactions.

The perpetrator usually regrets them almost immediately

--
Davey Crockett
-
For Sale on E-Bay
Union Cycliste International (UCI)
Comes Complete with Idiotic Management
No offer refused

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:11 PM

On Jul 9, 1:04*pm, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
wrote:
> RicodJour a écrit profondement:

I did not!

> | There's the race and then there's the race. *Maybe Rancid-mutton
> | didn't affect the outcome of the race, but he interfered with it and
> | distracted attention from the people that should have had the
> | attention and that were there legitimately.
> |
> | Chicken pulled a chicken move that was no different than the idjit
> | that jumped up on the podium the other day and the Badger had to
> | straighten him out.
> |
>
> It is often "spur of the moment" enthusiasm, disgust or what-have-you
> that prompts such Wanker reactions.
>
> The perpetrator usually regrets them almost immediately

Are you talking about Chicken or the Badger? I don't think the Badger
is regretting anything about the incident unless he pulled a muscle.

R

Davey Crockett

01-04-1970, 02:11 PM

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 02:11 PM

Bret Wade wrote:
> Tom, can you point to any on-line evidence that you've ever raced? There's
> nothing on the NCNCA site.

Obviously SchwartzSoft haven't hacked the database yet.

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:11 PM

In article <g52tos$qkr2@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com>, Bret Wade <bret.wade@xilinx.com> wrote:

> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > "Ted van de Weteringe" <myfullname@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:48749155$0$14354$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> >> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org schreef:
> >>> Here's a classic from the archives. Click the thread
> >>> title to read the whole thing:
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa
> >>
> >> Yeah, I wasn't around then but read it before. All people who get
> >> annoyed that people tag on or re-pass them are tools, whiners and
> >> wankerszsz. Just stick to your own plan, what does it matter what
> >> another cyclist is doing around you?
> >
> > Ted, remember that these whiners wouldn't know a racing pack from a
> > cigarette pack.
> >
>
> Tom, can you point to any on-line evidence that you've ever raced?
> There's nothing on the NCNCA site.

I predict: evasion, obfuscation and insults. Yeah, I know - that's an easy
prediction...

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:13 PM

"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com> wrote in message
news:26d84e4f-4f61-4e28-81dc-cb24851fdacc@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 8, 4:31 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:16:19 -0600, Bret Wade <bret.w...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >You're wrong about this. Most racers get very upset if someone
>> >interferes with their race. In the local training races, riders are
>> >allowed to warm up on the back of the pack of the race preceding theirs.
>> >They're not allowed to go to the front and influence the race in any
>> >way. When it happens, people get angry.
>>
>> Yeah, it's very annoying. But too many people, at least where I live,
>> do it.
>
> A few years back I was at one of "our" Tuesday Night crits here in
> Santa Rosa. Levi showed up, but was about 2 laps late to get into the
> start of the pro-1-2-3 race. He asked what's-his-name (Jim Keene?)
> the ref if he could get in to do some training. "Jim" said "yeah,"
> and Levi proceeded to slot in.
>
> Without promising anything, Levi never took any pulls, did not ride at
> the front, or for what I could tell, effect the race in any important
> way. Obviously he could have. I thought that was very polite and was
> impressed. It was just a Tuesday night training crit and he still had
> the modesty not to mess with other folks doing their thing.

Now imagine a race of 100 miles or more. According to the Cat 0's here they
race the entire way and if some civilian gets in among them and causes some
humor it is a horrible thing that should lead to jail time for that bast**d.

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:13 PM

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:

> A few years back I was at one of "our" Tuesday Night crits here in
> Santa Rosa. Levi showed up, but was about 2 laps late to get into the
> start of the pro-1-2-3 race. He asked what's-his-name (Jim Keene?)
> the ref if he could get in to do some training. "Jim" said "yeah,"
> and Levi proceeded to slot in.
>
> Without promising anything, Levi never took any pulls, did not ride at
> the front, or for what I could tell, effect the race in any important
> way. Obviously he could have. I thought that was very polite and was
> impressed. It was just a Tuesday night training crit and he still had
> the modesty not to mess with other folks doing their thing.

Good story. That's the way it should be done.

I did that SR training race once a long time ago. My teammates and I
stayed around after the Wine Country Classic for a training camp. Our
plan that day was to go for a long ride in the hills around Calestoga
and then do the race afterwards. We sort of got lost and ended up riding
over a mountain on a road that first turned to dirt and then to a jeep
road. We had to hustle to get back in time for the race and didn't have
time to clean up so we showed up all covered with mud. It was a fun race
and we went well considering what we'd been through beforehand.

Bret

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:13 PM

On Jul 9, 6:00*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com> wrote in messagenews:26d84e4f-
>
> > A few years back I was at one of "our" Tuesday Night crits here in
> > Santa Rosa. *Levi showed up, but was about 2 laps late to get into the
> > start of the pro-1-2-3 race. *He asked what's-his-name (Jim Keene?)
> > the ref if he could get in to do some training. *"Jim" said "yeah,"
> > and Levi proceeded to slot in.
>
> > Without promising anything, Levi never took any pulls, did not ride at
> > the front, or for what I could tell, effect the race in any important
> > way. *Obviously he could have. *I thought that was very polite and was
> > impressed. *It was just a Tuesday night training crit and he still had
> > the modesty not to mess with other folks doing their thing.

I don't know if it's modesty, as I don't know how anyone could hold
aspirations of winning Grand Tours without a hell of an ego, but it
definitely shows respect.

> Now imagine a race of 100 miles or more. According to the Cat 0's here they
> race the entire way and if some civilian gets in among them and causes some
> humor it is a horrible thing that should lead to jail time for that bast**d.

You are wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start.
- Rasmussen is not a "civilian", he is a suspended rider.
- He used the stage of other's as his platform to make his point that
he is a **** (he succeeded).
- He did it during a women's race - maybe appropriate as he's a *****
(no disrespect intended towards biological pussies of every species).
- Humor? Sheesh.
- As a potential team or sponsor, would you sign someone who behaves
in such a fashion? There's always going to be something the a-hole is
upset about, it's his nature, so why would a team/sponsor want to sign
up a loose cannon? He's just as likely to go off on them as on
someone/something else.

He's an embarrassment to himself, the sport and to chickens
everywhere. His actions should be an embarrassment to you for
supporting him, but you're you.

R

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:13 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:

> Now imagine a race of 100 miles or more. According to the Cat 0's here
> they race the entire way and if some civilian gets in among them and
> causes some humor it is a horrible thing that should lead to jail time
> for that bast**d.

I'd be very concerned about the skill level and intentions of somebody
that did that. The fact that they're doing it at all suggests that they
are unbalanced. They should be persuaded to leave the race as gently as
is possible.

I was in a race once where an ex-teammate jumped in without registering.
I told him he really shouldn't be doing that and he left the race.

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

"Bret Wade" <bret.wade@xilinx.com> wrote in message
news:g53dfq$rjc1@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
>
> I did that SR training race once a long time ago. My teammates and I
> stayed around after the Wine Country Classic for a training camp. Our plan
> that day was to go for a long ride in the hills around Calestoga and then
> do the race afterwards. We sort of got lost and ended up riding over a
> mountain on a road that first turned to dirt and then to a jeep road. We
> had to hustle to get back in time for the race and didn't have time to
> clean up so we showed up all covered with mud. It was a fun race and we
> went well considering what we'd been through beforehand.

Bret, for someone that obviously is a pretty first rate cyclist you sure
***** a lot about other people.

If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly often in
Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you suppose it would
happen on the finishing order?

And I've talked to people who lived and raced in France and Italy and they
told me stories of riding in Pro packs and in one case one of these guys
pulled the second group back up to the first group with all of the second
group cheering him on until the referee kicked him out. And then waved at
him as he turned around to go back home. I've heard more of the same from
guys racing in Belgium and France.

What I wonder is why that would bother you? Were you always so close to your
limit that you were racing the entire race? Man, even I got to the point by
my fourth year of racing that I was usually only riding at 2/3rds capacity.

Which reminds me of the heart rate monitor information they've been showing
on VS concerning riders in the pack. Most of the time they're LOW such as on
a fast portion of the course a couple of days ago Hincapie's heart rate was
135.

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

On Jul 9, 6:43*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> Bret, for someone that obviously is a pretty first rate cyclist you sure
> ***** a lot about other people.
>
> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly often in
> Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you suppose it would
> happen on the finishing order?
>
> And I've talked to people who lived and raced in France and Italy and they
> told me stories of riding in Pro packs and in one case one of these guys
> pulled the second group back up to the first group with all of the second
> group cheering him on until the referee kicked him out. And then waved at
> him as he turned around to go back home. I've heard more of the same from
> guys racing in Belgium and France.

Well, ****, why didn't you say that in the first place? You're okay
with walking into the Walmart after someone else has smashed the
window, you just don't want to be the guy that smashes the window.
Sheesh.

I frequently think there's nothing you could say that would surprise
me, then you go and do it again. Don't ever change.

R

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:

> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly often
> in Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you suppose it
> would happen on the finishing order?

If they registered for the race I'd have no issue with that.

>
> And I've talked to people who lived and raced in France and Italy and
> they told me stories of riding in Pro packs and in one case one of these
> guys pulled the second group back up to the first group with all of the
> second group cheering him on until the referee kicked him out. And then
> waved at him as he turned around to go back home. I've heard more of the
> same from guys racing in Belgium and France.
>
> What I wonder is why that would bother you? Were you always so close to
> your limit that you were racing the entire race? Man, even I got to the
> point by my fourth year of racing that I was usually only riding at
> 2/3rds capacity.

It's just inappropriate to insert yourself in an event that you're not
officially entered into and maybe not qualified to enter into. There are
plenty of opportunities to mingle with pros on training rides. It has
nothing to do with the effort level at the time.

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:9421d0e9-a1a1-48dc-a3cf-34db738db7d6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I frequently think there's nothing you could say that would surprise
> me, then you go and do it again. Don't ever change.

This from someone too cowardly to sign with their real name. Do you suppose
anything you write could mean anything to me?

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

In article <BdmdnfLv6_sE3OjVnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> news:9421d0e9-a1a1-48dc-a3cf-34db738db7d6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I frequently think there's nothing you could say that would surprise
> > me, then you go and do it again. Don't ever change.
>
> This from someone too cowardly to sign with their real name. Do you suppose
> anything you write could mean anything to me?

Only a raving ******* actually believes that signing "with their real name" is an
indication of manliness.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

RicodJour

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

On Jul 9, 6:54*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > I frequently think there's nothing you could say that would surprise
> > me, then you go and do it again. *Don't ever change.
>
> This from someone too cowardly to sign with their real name. Do you suppose
> anything you write could mean anything to me?

If not, why did you respond? :)~

As far as the real name, are you going to offer to meet (or in your
case, meat) me in the diner parking lot and punch my lights out? I
must admit, being beat up by an old man terrifies me.

R

SLAVE of THE STATE

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

On Jul 9, 4:27 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <g52tos$q...@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com>, Bret Wade <bret.w...@xilinx.com> wrote:
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > "Ted van de Weteringe" <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote in message
> > >news:48749155$0$14354$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> > >> b...@mambo.ucolick.org schreef:
> > >>> Here's a classic from the archives. Click the thread
> > >>> title to read the whole thing:
> > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/46fd303ecb4646fa
>
> > >> Yeah, I wasn't around then but read it before. All people who get
> > >> annoyed that people tag on or re-pass them are tools, whiners and
> > >> wankerszsz. Just stick to your own plan, what does it matter what
> > >> another cyclist is doing around you?
>
> > > Ted, remember that these whiners wouldn't know a racing pack from a
> > > cigarette pack.
>
> > Tom, can you point to any on-line evidence that you've ever raced?
> > There's nothing on the NCNCA site.
>
> I predict: evasion, obfuscation and insults. Yeah, I know - that's an easy
> prediction...

I thought we called it "candy-ass" to pick more than one.

Ryan Cousineau

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

In article <YOURhoward-5955ED.16270609072008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

> In article <BdmdnfLv6_sE3OjVnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9421d0e9-a1a1-48dc-a3cf-34db738db7d6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > I frequently think there's nothing you could say that would surprise
> > > me, then you go and do it again. Don't ever change.
> >
> > This from someone too cowardly to sign with their real name. Do you suppose
> > anything you write could mean anything to me?
>
> Only a raving ******* actually believes that signing "with their real
> name" is an
> indication of manliness.

Coward. "Howard Kveck" is so obviously a made-up name that you have no
standing to discuss this.

Kindest regards,

Mark-Paul Gosselaar.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

In article <edac1259-208b-4d6b-bc63-ab475a34e5f0@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 4:27 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article <g52tos$q...@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com>, Bret Wade
> > <bret.w...@xilinx.com> wrote:

> > > Tom, can you point to any on-line evidence that you've ever raced?
> > > There's nothing on the NCNCA site.
> >
> > I predict: evasion, obfuscation and insults. Yeah, I know - that's an
> > easy prediction...
>
> I thought we called it "candy-ass" to pick more than one.

This is a time when a single choice isn't the only choice, unlike a race, which
can only have one winner. Tom can choose to do none, one or a combination of the
choices (which includes doing all of them). He appears to be doing "evasion" at the
moment, coupled with "insults" in replies to other of Bret's posts.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Tom Kunich

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

"Bret Wade" <bret.wade@xilinx.com> wrote in message
news:g53hk8$ra01@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly often
>> in Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you suppose it
>> would happen on the finishing order?
>
> If they registered for the race I'd have no issue with that.

Psst - surely you know that a lot of pros have turned up there and ridden
under assumed names and the like? And many have simply ridden for exercise
in that race. Maybe you remember the several women pros who have showed up
and ridden in Cat 3 and the like?

>> What I wonder is why that would bother you? Were you always so close to
>> your limit that you were racing the entire race? Man, even I got to the
>> point by my fourth year of racing that I was usually only riding at
>> 2/3rds capacity.
>
> It's just inappropriate to insert yourself in an event that you're not
> officially entered into and maybe not qualified to enter into. There are
> plenty of opportunities to mingle with pros on training rides. It has
> nothing to do with the effort level at the time.

I still can't understand your excitement about a race that is on publicly
owned streets with people riding into the racing groups. It takes more than
a weekend rider to do something like that so obviously people that do that
know what the hell they're doing.

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Bret Wade" <bret.wade@xilinx.com> wrote in message
> news:g53hk8$ra01@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly
>>> often in Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you
>>> suppose it would happen on the finishing order?
>>
>> If they registered for the race I'd have no issue with that.
>
> Psst - surely you know that a lot of pros have turned up there and
> ridden under assumed names and the like? And many have simply ridden for
> exercise in that race. Maybe you remember the several women pros who
> have showed up and ridden in Cat 3 and the like?

How would I know this? I've raced at Copperopolis once but in general I
know nothing about what goes on at CA races. Anyway, I still assume that
they registered to race.
>
>>> What I wonder is why that would bother you? Were you always so close
>>> to your limit that you were racing the entire race? Man, even I got
>>> to the point by my fourth year of racing that I was usually only
>>> riding at 2/3rds capacity.
>>
>> It's just inappropriate to insert yourself in an event that you're not
>> officially entered into and maybe not qualified to enter into. There
>> are plenty of opportunities to mingle with pros on training rides. It
>> has nothing to do with the effort level at the time.
>
> I still can't understand your excitement about a race that is on
> publicly owned streets with people riding into the racing groups. It
> takes more than a weekend rider to do something like that so obviously
> people that do that know what the hell they're doing.
>

It's equivalent to the bozos that run out into the outfield during ball
games. Security is sent out to retrieve them and the TV cameras are
turned away so as not to give them the 15 seconds of fame they were after.

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org

01-04-1970, 02:14 PM

On Jul 9, 4:52*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Bret Wade" <bret.w...@xilinx.com> wrote in message
>
> news:g53hk8$ra01@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> >> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly often
> >> in Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you suppose it
> >> would happen on the finishing order?
>
> > If they registered for the race I'd have no issue with that.
>
> Psst - surely you know that a lot of pros have turned up there and ridden
> under assumed names and the like? And many have simply ridden for exercise
> in that race. Maybe you remember the several women pros who have showed up
> and ridden in Cat 3 and the like?

Kun-Kun,

A few years ago, Levi won Copperopolis. He registered for
the race in the proper category, he rode it wearing his team
jersey, he won it fair and square. I don't know if he has the
Velo Promo t-shirt hanging in his closet.

Sometimes women pros enter men's races in pro or one
category down. This is allowed by the rules. They race,
same rules as everyone. If not, we wouldn't have seen
Van Gilder schooling Verhuel in the sprint.

People don't fun around with national championship
races, though. I've also never heard of a male racer sitting
in a women's race. Okay, probably this has happened
in some crit somewhere with some guy sitting at the back
for a little coaching or training miles. But not parading
at the front.

> >> What I wonder is why that would bother you? Were you always so close to
> >> your limit that you were racing the entire race? Man, even I got to the
> >> point by my fourth year of racing that I was usually only riding at
> >> 2/3rds capacity.
>
> > It's just inappropriate to insert yourself in an event that you're not
> > officially entered into and maybe not qualified to enter into. There are
> > plenty of opportunities to mingle with pros on training rides. It has
> > nothing to do with the effort level at the time.
>
> I still can't understand your excitement about a race that is on publicly
> owned streets with people riding into the racing groups. It takes more than
> a weekend rider to do something like that so obviously people that do that
> know what the hell they're doing.

Are you out of your mind? Don't answer that!
Publicly owned streets are beside the point - races,
as you well know, get a permit to use the streets.
People who aren't part of the race have no business
riding "into" the racing group. Yes, sometimes other
racers tack on at the back for training miles, _with
permission_. But other than that, spectate from the
sidewalk! You don't see me and Greg driving our
clown cars onto the public roads of the Le Mans course
during the 24 Hours.

Ben

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

In article <g53k4n$qvc1@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com>, Bret Wade <bret.wade@xilinx.com> wrote:

> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > "Bret Wade" <bret.wade@xilinx.com> wrote in message
> > news:g53hk8$ra01@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
> >> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >>> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly
> >>> often in Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you
> >>> suppose it would happen on the finishing order?
> >>
> >> If they registered for the race I'd have no issue with that.
> >
> > Psst - surely you know that a lot of pros have turned up there and
> > ridden under assumed names and the like? And many have simply ridden for
> > exercise in that race. Maybe you remember the several women pros who
> > have showed up and ridden in Cat 3 and the like?
>
> How would I know this? I've raced at Copperopolis once but in general I
> know nothing about what goes on at CA races. Anyway, I still assume that
> they registered to race.

It seems logical that these phony named riders registered, otherwise there would
be no reason to use a assumed name. (Of course, I think it's funny that TK speaks
admiringly of riders who use fake names to get into a race they shouldn't be in when
he goes ballistic over a poster in here who uses a pseudonym.)

> > I still can't understand your excitement about a race that is on
> > publicly owned streets with people riding into the racing groups. It
> > takes more than a weekend rider to do something like that so obviously
> > people that do that know what the hell they're doing.
> >
>
> It's equivalent to the bozos that run out into the outfield during ball
> games. Security is sent out to retrieve them and the TV cameras are
> turned away so as not to give them the 15 seconds of fame they were after.

They do that unless it's that woman with the massive mammarian mcgillicutties who
used to do that all the time.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

William Asher

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:

> You don't see me and Greg driving our
> clown cars onto the public roads of the Le Mans course
> during the 24 Hours.
>

Although if you did, there are probably people who would pay money to
watch. Especially if they had in-car cameras with mics set up displaying
on the jumbotron.

--
Bill Asher

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> You don't see me and Greg driving our clown cars onto the
> public roads of the Le Mans course during the 24 Hours.

The time is right for the next rbr deathmatch.

Bill C

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

On Jul 9, 9:10*pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On Jul 9, 4:52*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bret Wade" <bret.w...@xilinx.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:g53hk8$ra01@cnn.xsj.xilinx.com...
>
> > > Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > >> If some Pro got into a good long road race (as has happened fairly often
> > >> in Copperopolis) and was messing around what effect would you suppose it
> > >> would happen on the finishing order?
>
> > > If they registered for the race I'd have no issue with that.
>
> > Psst - surely you know that a lot of pros have turned up there and ridden
> > under assumed names and the like? And many have simply ridden for exercise
> > in that race. Maybe you remember the several women pros who have showed up
> > and ridden in Cat 3 and the like?
>
> Kun-Kun,
>
> A few years ago, Levi won Copperopolis. *He registered for
> the race in the proper category, he rode it wearing his team
> jersey, he won it fair and square. *I don't know if he has the
> Velo Promo t-shirt hanging in his closet.
>
> Sometimes women pros enter men's races in pro or one
> category down. *This is allowed by the rules. *They race,
> same rules as everyone. *If not, we wouldn't have seen
> Van Gilder schooling Verhuel in the sprint.
>
> People don't fun around with national championship
> races, though. *I've also never heard of a male racer sitting
> in a women's race. *Okay, probably this has happened
> in some crit somewhere with some guy sitting at the back
> for a little coaching or training miles. *But not parading
> at the front.
>
> > >> What I wonder is why that would bother you? Were you always so close to
> > >> your limit that you were racing the entire race? Man, even I got to the
> > >> point by my fourth year of racing that I was usually only riding at
> > >> 2/3rds capacity.
>
> > > It's just inappropriate to insert yourself in an event that you're not
> > > officially entered into and maybe not qualified to enter into. There are
> > > plenty of opportunities to mingle with pros on training rides. It has
> > > nothing to do with the effort level at the time.
>
> > I still can't understand your excitement about a race that is on publicly
> > owned streets with people riding into the racing groups. It takes more than
> > a weekend rider to do something like that so obviously people that do that
> > know what the hell they're doing.
>
> Are you out of your mind? *Don't answer that!
> Publicly owned streets are beside the point - races,
> as you well know, get a permit to use the streets.
> People who aren't part of the race have no business
> riding "into" the racing group. *Yes, sometimes other
> racers tack on at the back for training miles, _with
> permission_. *But other than that, spectate from the
> sidewalk! *You don't see me and Greg driving our
> clown cars onto the public roads of the Le Mans course
> during the 24 Hours.
>
> Ben- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What would've happened here, and should've happened was the officials
sending a motor asking him to leave the field, then telling him to
leave the field. next step would be telling the leaders the race was
going to be neutralized, and then stopped until he left the field.
About this point the racers get REALLY pissed at the idiot in the
field. Been there and done this bit.
If they still don't leave, after you stop the race. Your CR along
with a nice policeman have a talk with them.
Also the paperwork for a recommending a suspension for disrupting/
interfering with another field is a given at this point. His 2 year
should now be a two and 1/2 or 3 year given the importance of the
race, and duration of his disruption.
Bill C

Bret Wade

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

Howard Kveck wrote:

> It seems logical that these phony named riders registered, otherwise there would
> be no reason to use a assumed name.

Long ago, Longo initiated a comeback in CO at the Telluride stage race
under the name Jane Ciprelli. I noticed this skinny woman in the start
area wearing a jacket with the emblem "Grenoble Groupe Sportif" or
something like that, and looking suspiciously like a Longo. She was
entered in the men P,1,2 race and finished second on GC behind J.
Vaughters. That was the point when I began to suspect that Vaughters had
real talent. My wife won the hill climb that day and is eternally
grateful that "Jane" raced with the men.

Longo has done a lot of racing in CO over the years and her husband,
Patrice Ciprelli would race with us in the 35+ races. One day at a
criterium at the Celestial Seasonings campus, I decided to be nice to
him. There was a strong rider off the front and I was planning to bridge
to him. I tried to invite Patrice along but at the time didn't speak
much French and he apparently speaks no English. I did the bridge
without him, two more came along later and that was the winning break.
Later that day I ended up in a group of people talking to Longo and I
mentioned his missed opportunity. She said, "Oh you're the one! ... He
didn't understand!"

Bret

Donald Munro

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Plus I like replaying RBR oldies.
>
> Ben

That should have been signed:
Ben (resident rbr DJ)

SLAVE of THE STATE

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

On Jul 9, 6:24*pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > You don't see me and Greg driving our
> > clown cars onto the public roads of the Le Mans course
> > during the 24 Hours.
>
> Although if you did, there are probably people who would pay money to
> watch. *Especially if they had in-car cameras with mics set up displaying
> on the jumbotron. *

As an aside, I am also very careful crossing course with my pony --
wiping up any mess, and I'm sure Ben is too. It is that sort of
respect we hold for the rules and the players.

Sometimes I drop the f-bomb in my clown car, so bleeping mics would be
needed for family viewing. It all comes back to the children. You
know that.

Ryan Cousineau

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

In article
<4f764c6b-6675-429d-9cd4-21d21ef7ab7f@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 6:24*pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > > You don't see me and Greg driving our
> > > clown cars onto the public roads of the Le Mans course
> > > during the 24 Hours.
> >
> > Although if you did, there are probably people who would pay money to
> > watch. *Especially if they had in-car cameras with mics set up displaying
> > on the jumbotron. *
>
> As an aside, I am also very careful crossing course with my pony --
> wiping up any mess, and I'm sure Ben is too. It is that sort of
> respect we hold for the rules and the players.
>
> Sometimes I drop the f-bomb in my clown car, so bleeping mics would be
> needed for family viewing. It all comes back to the children. You
> know that.

I don't know if I'd be so cavalier about driving a Mercedes-built car on
the Le Mans course:

<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1252498464502394753&q=mercedes+
CLR>

Flipping sweet,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:15 PM

In article <rcousine-7EADF9.18525809072008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <YOURhoward-5955ED.16270609072008@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <BdmdnfLv6_sE3OjVnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > > "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:9421d0e9-a1a1-48dc-a3cf-34db738db7d6@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > I frequently think there's nothing you could say that would surprise
> > > > me, then you go and do it again. Don't ever change.
> > >
> > > This from someone too cowardly to sign with their real name. Do you
> > > suppose anything you write could mean anything to me?
> >
> > Only a raving ******* actually believes that signing "with their real
> > name" is an indication of manliness.
>
> Coward. "Howard Kveck" is so obviously a made-up name that you have no
> standing to discuss this.

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of name someone with something to hide would pick,
isn't it?

> Kindest regards,
>
> Mark-Paul Gosselaar.

Hey, aren't you that dude in "Saved By The Bell"?

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Ted van de Weteringe

01-04-1970, 02:16 PM

Ryan Cousineau schreef:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1252498464502394753&q=mercedes+CLR
> Flipping sweet,

Har har. One flippant remark: how disappointing that he missed the large
Bridgestone banner completely.

Howard Kveck

01-04-1970, 02:17 PM

In article <toednZcW9JszD-jVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Bret Wade <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
> > It seems logical that these phony named riders registered, otherwise
> > there would
> > be no reason to use a assumed name.
>
> Long ago, Longo initiated a comeback in CO at the Telluride stage race
> under the name Jane Ciprelli. I noticed this skinny woman in the start
> area wearing a jacket with the emblem "Grenoble Groupe Sportif" or
> something like that, and looking suspiciously like a Longo. She was
> entered in the men P,1,2 race and finished second on GC behind J.
> Vaughters. That was the point when I began to suspect that Vaughters had
> real talent. My wife won the hill climb that day and is eternally
> grateful that "Jane" raced with the men.

Longo is pretty recognizable if you've seen her before, particularly if she's
beating up almost everyone on a bike.

> Longo has done a lot of racing in CO over the years and her husband,
> Patrice Ciprelli would race with us in the 35+ races. One day at a
> criterium at the Celestial Seasonings campus, I decided to be nice to
> him. There was a strong rider off the front and I was planning to bridge
> to him. I tried to invite Patrice along but at the time didn't speak
> much French and he apparently speaks no English. I did the bridge
> without him, two more came along later and that was the winning break.
> Later that day I ended up in a group of people talking to Longo and I
> mentioned his missed opportunity. She said, "Oh you're the one! ... He
> didn't understand!"

Nice - good story. Of course, it completely proves Tom's point that you know
nothing about racing...

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?